Journalism is unironically shit now. Clicks are all that matter so writing 30 outrage bait tweet-filled "articles" is so much more profitable than actual journalism.
He’s actually making a valid point and quoting a bunch of republican twitter personalities that would react the same way to someone saying “I was turned away because I was black” doesn’t prove anything.
Why wouldn't licenses from other states count? I thought the purpose was to stop illegals from voting. There is no reason that a registered voter who has a license in a different state should be prohibited from voting, it proves their identity just as well. Why put the additional hurdles in?
If that's the reasoning then it's piss poor security because someone can just get a federal ID (e.g. passport) and every state has to accept that as voter ID.
Have you ever voted in the US before? You have to register beforehand, and prove residency in the process. The poll workers at a poll site have a list of people that are registered to vote at that specific poll site.
Dude none of the people talking about this know anything at all about voting, all these fucking morons will sit here and read this story, not see the OBVIOUS poll tax, make fun of this libtard for not being able to vote, then go on to tell us how other libs do this exact same thing(that this stody even says didn't fucking work) all over the place and that's how they and "illegals" win all the elections.. ..right after the right swept everything in 2016, because millions of illegals voted for... Trump I guess? Or something something those millions of illegals were all in California that week for some reason so the electoral college is totally great.
It's not really even possible to keep up with where their shit is at day to day because they have no consistency, which is what happens when you're just making up bullshit anyway.
They supposedly registered to vote "without a hitch" which means they presumably satisfied the eligibility requirements for voting in TN. They just couldn't prove at the polling station, to the satisfaction of the new statute, that they were the registered voter they claimed to be.
I'm not venturing an opinion on whether or not this qualifies as 'suppression', but the critics of the tweet are oversimplifying things, imo.
Because you aren't just proving who you are but proving where you reside? What's to stop someone from showing a GA ID to vote in TN then driving down to GA to vote in the GA election, as well? Does that seem fair or right to you?
Are you serious? Isn't that the whole point of registering to vote? What the fuck is the point of demanding people register a month before the election if you're just gonna make them jump through the exact same hoops when they get to the polls. Might as well have same-day registration at that point (which I'm in favor of)
Yes, I am serious. Are you seriously telling me you don't see an issue with someone being registered to vote in TN yet still holding a GA license? You don't see the problem that presents? If you're registering to vote in TN you should be a TN resident. If you're a TN resident you should have a TN license. Like I said, what you propose is just opening the door to someone voting, possibly in a federal election, in two different states/electoral districts.
Yes, but they didn't show a passport, did they? They showed a document that called into question their status as legitimate residents of TN. This isn't rocket surgery. Stop playing stupid, Pizzashill hates competition.
Right, but a passport doesn't say what state you live in, only where you were born. Which, going by your own stupid logic, means anyone could use a passport to illegally vote in another state. Except that's not how voting works you retard
No, I'm not. I'm just agreeing with you that a passport is a legitimate form of government issued identification and if the Vice had shown a passport there wouldn't have been any problem. If anything, you're making a case for not accepting passports as ID.
I'm just agreeing with you that a passport is a legitimate form of government issued identification and if the Vice had shown a passport there wouldn't have been any problem
You claimed that someone using an out of state drivers license could be voting in multiple states, because you have no idea how voter registration or voting in general works. Since you think a passport is an acceptable form of ID, and since it also does nothing to actually prove you live in the state you're voting in (again, you really need to learn wtf voter registration is for), it's safe to say denying someone the right to vote based on an out of state license, despite them being registered to vote, has no relation to actually stopping voter fraud.
If anything, you're making a case for not accepting passports as ID.
Really dude? You're the one trying to make voting harder, if anyone would be for denying additional valid forms of identification, it would be you.
I'm not trying to make anything harder. I just think there are reasonable steps government can take to ensure the sanctity of the voting process. Not letting someone with a GA ID vote in TN seems pretty reasonable to me. If you have a GA ID you should be a GA resident and voting in GA. If you're a TN resident you should have a TN ID. This is basic shit. Most states require that you change your license plates on your car and your driver's license within three-to-six months of establishing residency. I also think that if you registered with the whatever clerk oversees registration using your utility bills that you should be able to use your passport as ID at the ballot box. There's nothing about those two ideas that make them incompatible. I just don't think you should be showing up to vote in one state using an ID issued in another state.
You seem really obsessed with drivers licenses. They're not the only form of valid ID. Again, you really should look up what the purpose of voter registration is because it seems like you're pretty clueless. I registered to vote a while ago, and when I did I had to provide my name, DOB, address, etc. That information all got verified, and now when I go to the polls next week, my name is going to be listed as being eligible to vote. It's not the job of the poll worker to interrogate me on where I live or how long I've been a resident of PA. It's to check my valid ID to make sure I am who I say I am, and then I get to vote. And if I decided to try to commit voter fraud by driving to Ohio and voting there, you know what would happen? I wouldn't be able to, because I'm not registered to vote in Ohio! Wtf are you talking about license plates for?
Funny coming from the guy that just won't let this conversation die.
I'm not "obsessed with drivers licenses," I just think that if you're registered to vote in TN you shouldn't show up at the poll and do something that call the validity of your residency into question, and handing the person at the polling station an ID issued by another state certainly does that. I don't know what's so difficult to understand about that, but if there's a way I can spell it out for you that will penetrate your thick skull please let me know what it is.
You're free to stop responding whenever you want. I think secretly you get off to being called a retard, which is why you keep saying dumb shit.
I'm not "obsessed with drivers licenses," I just think that if you're registered to vote in TN you shouldn't show up at the poll and do something that call the validity of your residency into question, and handing the person at the polling station an ID issued by another state certainly does that.
Those poll workers sound pretty dumb, any relation to yourself?
there's a way I can spell it out for you that will penetrate your thick skull please let me know what it is
Shouldn't be that hard. Unlike you I'm not required to wear a helmet during the day.
Any person who votes in more than one precinct in the same primary or election or otherwise fraudulently votes more than once at the same primary or election shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 10 years or to pay a fine not to exceed $100,000, or both.
In Tennessee, this is "what's to stop someone":
Tennessee
Tenn. Code Ann. §2-19-107
Prohibits voting twice in the same election.
A person commits a Class D felony who:
(1) Intentionally and knowing that such person is not entitled to, registers or votes in any manner or attempts to register or vote in any manner where or when such person is not entitled to under this title, including voting more than once in the same election; or
(2) Votes in the primary elections of more than one (1) political party in an election.
I was going to make some long winded comment about how clearly retarded you are, but fuck that it's saturday, so instead I just did what you clever girls couldn't spend 5 seconds doing and google the shit, because you idiots don't have to sit here and fight with rumor and conjecture like retarded rightoids, facts DO still exist. Now go look this shit up and figure out how to twist those facts so that you still win.
BTW, you're the more retarded one of the two in the argument, like seriously dude despite it being up to the states to actually decide, you don't think literally every state establishes all the residency and other voting requirements at registration? That's why you're slightly more retarded than this guy arguing with you that isn't using google either.
You're getting down voted but you're right. The whole point of showing ID at the polls is to prove that you are who you say you are. It has nothing to do with verifying whether or not you live in the state you're voting in, which should have been taken care of when you registered.
Yeah, I hate to say it but I sympathize with the article writer. Yes, to vote you should have to prove both residency and identity, and presumably you can do this without a federal photo ID or a lisence from that state in particular. The out-of-state photo ID proves identity, and the other documents that are listed prove residency.
So the “wow this moron expected to vote with another state’s ID?” hot takes are stupid as hell. He expected to use the state ID plus other documents that proved residency in order to vote. But he couldn’t do that. Even if you want to defend these standards you can at least represent what he’s saying properly.
Registering a car in Tn is cheap as fuck. When I lived in Va and worked summers in Tn I registered my car there because of how cheap it was and because they didnt require a yearly inspection or smog check. Also, you don't have to turn in your out of state Liceense to get a Tn ID, just claim you lost it
No its illegal to move to a state and not change your license and tags. You have, I believe 30 days to change everything over. Avoiding taxes may make him "smart" (lol) but it is illegal to avoid taxes that you owe.
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1 LSU_Coonass 2018-11-02
were is the reddit thread of the original article that probably ahs 20k upvotes and 10 gold
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
Is there nothing under the "other discussions" tab?
1 LSU_Coonass 2018-11-02
not this article, the original article this article is about
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
Oh, I didn't bother to look for it. Why give Vice page views?
1 Velxon 2018-11-02
Because you're on r/drama and looking for drama you fucking goober
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
Fuck, that's actually a good answer.
1 tHeSiD 2018-11-02
How did vice let such retards in? I used to like their war stories and all the gritty stuff they used to report on.
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-02
Journalism is unironically shit now. Clicks are all that matter so writing 30 outrage bait tweet-filled "articles" is so much more profitable than actual journalism.
1 Kreenish 2018-11-02
shane and mcgavin left and it became what it is today
1 Power_Incarnate 2018-11-02
Looking at him now you'd think Gavin leaving would have only helped. Some that's not the case, maybe his autism quelled everyone else's.
1 deportredditmods 2018-11-02
He’s actually making a valid point and quoting a bunch of republican twitter personalities that would react the same way to someone saying “I was turned away because I was black” doesn’t prove anything.
1 IronicRacismIsCool 2018-11-02
Why wouldn't licenses from other states count? I thought the purpose was to stop illegals from voting. There is no reason that a registered voter who has a license in a different state should be prohibited from voting, it proves their identity just as well. Why put the additional hurdles in?
1 TAinting_CHarmer 2018-11-02
Also, not allowing out of state licenses to vote limits people voting twice and out of state voters being bussed in
1 atsteak 2018-11-02
If that's the reasoning then it's piss poor security because someone can just get a federal ID (e.g. passport) and every state has to accept that as voter ID.
1 shallowm 2018-11-02
Have you ever voted in the US before? You have to register beforehand, and prove residency in the process. The poll workers at a poll site have a list of people that are registered to vote at that specific poll site.
1 djlewt 2018-11-02
Dude none of the people talking about this know anything at all about voting, all these fucking morons will sit here and read this story, not see the OBVIOUS poll tax, make fun of this libtard for not being able to vote, then go on to tell us how other libs do this exact same thing(that this stody even says didn't fucking work) all over the place and that's how they and "illegals" win all the elections.. ..right after the right swept everything in 2016, because millions of illegals voted for... Trump I guess? Or something something those millions of illegals were all in California that week for some reason so the electoral college is totally great.
It's not really even possible to keep up with where their shit is at day to day because they have no consistency, which is what happens when you're just making up bullshit anyway.
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-02
They proved the fact that they live there not that they were permanent residents and paid Tennessee taxes and stuff.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-02
They supposedly registered to vote "without a hitch" which means they presumably satisfied the eligibility requirements for voting in TN. They just couldn't prove at the polling station, to the satisfaction of the new statute, that they were the registered voter they claimed to be.
I'm not venturing an opinion on whether or not this qualifies as 'suppression', but the critics of the tweet are oversimplifying things, imo.
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-02
Oh OK. So they were just too stupid to get the right ID.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-02
Eh. I get annoyed when a bar doesn't take out-of-state IDs when I'm traveling.
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-02
This has different requirements. For bars it's literally just age, but voting ids are about residence.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-02
Uhh..I thought we just established they were already registered to vote. The ID would just prove identity, not establish voting eligibility.
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-02
No the point is to prove residence. The poll workers can't tell if your voter registration is real.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-02
Wait...have you ever voted?
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-02
Only absentee TBH.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-02
lol, okay. I'm not sure why you're even weighing in on this since the process is very different from what you're imagining.
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-02
I have diarrhea and not much else to do.
1 -OrganisedChaos- 2018-11-02
Man, yank voter registration is retarded.
1 djlewt 2018-11-02
They are absolutely not. "Residence" is determined when you register.
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
Because you aren't just proving who you are but proving where you reside? What's to stop someone from showing a GA ID to vote in TN then driving down to GA to vote in the GA election, as well? Does that seem fair or right to you?
1 Hemingwavy 2018-11-02
The fact it takes fucking ages and you'd literally just be adding one vote to elections that are decided by tens of thousands of votes?
God you're about as clever as Wohl.
1 melokobeai 2018-11-02
Are you serious? Isn't that the whole point of registering to vote? What the fuck is the point of demanding people register a month before the election if you're just gonna make them jump through the exact same hoops when they get to the polls. Might as well have same-day registration at that point (which I'm in favor of)
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
Yes, I am serious. Are you seriously telling me you don't see an issue with someone being registered to vote in TN yet still holding a GA license? You don't see the problem that presents? If you're registering to vote in TN you should be a TN resident. If you're a TN resident you should have a TN license. Like I said, what you propose is just opening the door to someone voting, possibly in a federal election, in two different states/electoral districts.
1 melokobeai 2018-11-02
Is a passport a valid form of ID in your opinion?
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
Yes, but they didn't show a passport, did they? They showed a document that called into question their status as legitimate residents of TN. This isn't rocket surgery. Stop playing stupid, Pizzashill hates competition.
1 melokobeai 2018-11-02
Right, but a passport doesn't say what state you live in, only where you were born. Which, going by your own stupid logic, means anyone could use a passport to illegally vote in another state. Except that's not how voting works you retard
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
Then the idiot that wrote this story should have used a passport, huh? Congratulations, you're smarter than a Vice contributor.
1 melokobeai 2018-11-02
You're basically conceding that refusing the out of state drivers license had nothing to do with actually preventing voter fraud. Congratulations
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
No, I'm not. I'm just agreeing with you that a passport is a legitimate form of government issued identification and if the Vice had shown a passport there wouldn't have been any problem. If anything, you're making a case for not accepting passports as ID.
1 melokobeai 2018-11-02
You claimed that someone using an out of state drivers license could be voting in multiple states, because you have no idea how voter registration or voting in general works. Since you think a passport is an acceptable form of ID, and since it also does nothing to actually prove you live in the state you're voting in (again, you really need to learn wtf voter registration is for), it's safe to say denying someone the right to vote based on an out of state license, despite them being registered to vote, has no relation to actually stopping voter fraud.
Really dude? You're the one trying to make voting harder, if anyone would be for denying additional valid forms of identification, it would be you.
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
I'm not trying to make anything harder. I just think there are reasonable steps government can take to ensure the sanctity of the voting process. Not letting someone with a GA ID vote in TN seems pretty reasonable to me. If you have a GA ID you should be a GA resident and voting in GA. If you're a TN resident you should have a TN ID. This is basic shit. Most states require that you change your license plates on your car and your driver's license within three-to-six months of establishing residency. I also think that if you registered with the whatever clerk oversees registration using your utility bills that you should be able to use your passport as ID at the ballot box. There's nothing about those two ideas that make them incompatible. I just don't think you should be showing up to vote in one state using an ID issued in another state.
1 melokobeai 2018-11-02
You seem really obsessed with drivers licenses. They're not the only form of valid ID. Again, you really should look up what the purpose of voter registration is because it seems like you're pretty clueless. I registered to vote a while ago, and when I did I had to provide my name, DOB, address, etc. That information all got verified, and now when I go to the polls next week, my name is going to be listed as being eligible to vote. It's not the job of the poll worker to interrogate me on where I live or how long I've been a resident of PA. It's to check my valid ID to make sure I am who I say I am, and then I get to vote. And if I decided to try to commit voter fraud by driving to Ohio and voting there, you know what would happen? I wouldn't be able to, because I'm not registered to vote in Ohio! Wtf are you talking about license plates for?
1 jubbergun 2018-11-02
Funny coming from the guy that just won't let this conversation die.
I'm not "obsessed with drivers licenses," I just think that if you're registered to vote in TN you shouldn't show up at the poll and do something that call the validity of your residency into question, and handing the person at the polling station an ID issued by another state certainly does that. I don't know what's so difficult to understand about that, but if there's a way I can spell it out for you that will penetrate your thick skull please let me know what it is.
1 melokobeai 2018-11-02
You're free to stop responding whenever you want. I think secretly you get off to being called a retard, which is why you keep saying dumb shit.
Those poll workers sound pretty dumb, any relation to yourself?
Shouldn't be that hard. Unlike you I'm not required to wear a helmet during the day.
1 djlewt 2018-11-02
In Georgia, this is "what's to stop someone":
In Tennessee, this is "what's to stop someone":
I was going to make some long winded comment about how clearly retarded you are, but fuck that it's saturday, so instead I just did what you clever girls couldn't spend 5 seconds doing and google the shit, because you idiots don't have to sit here and fight with rumor and conjecture like retarded rightoids, facts DO still exist. Now go look this shit up and figure out how to twist those facts so that you still win.
BTW, you're the more retarded one of the two in the argument, like seriously dude despite it being up to the states to actually decide, you don't think literally every state establishes all the residency and other voting requirements at registration? That's why you're slightly more retarded than this guy arguing with you that isn't using google either.
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1 JustStopDude 2018-11-02
So what ballot to they vote on? Tennessee or Georgia? They got different people on the ballot...
1 melokobeai 2018-11-02
You're getting down voted but you're right. The whole point of showing ID at the polls is to prove that you are who you say you are. It has nothing to do with verifying whether or not you live in the state you're voting in, which should have been taken care of when you registered.
1 ConsequentDog 2018-11-02
All the reasons people already told you, plus 13 states allow illegals to get driver's licenses.
1 mtg_liebestod 2018-11-02
Yeah, I hate to say it but I sympathize with the article writer. Yes, to vote you should have to prove both residency and identity, and presumably you can do this without a federal photo ID or a lisence from that state in particular. The out-of-state photo ID proves identity, and the other documents that are listed prove residency.
So the “wow this moron expected to vote with another state’s ID?” hot takes are stupid as hell. He expected to use the state ID plus other documents that proved residency in order to vote. But he couldn’t do that. Even if you want to defend these standards you can at least represent what he’s saying properly.
1 TAinting_CHarmer 2018-11-02
Registering a car in Tn is cheap as fuck. When I lived in Va and worked summers in Tn I registered my car there because of how cheap it was and because they didnt require a yearly inspection or smog check. Also, you don't have to turn in your out of state Liceense to get a Tn ID, just claim you lost it
1 JustStopDude 2018-11-02
Jesus Christ this reads like the Documetary Now parody...
Not just one idiot wrote this. Someone proof read it and edited as well.
1 doggo_to_the_rescue 2018-11-02
Pick one, sport
1 shallowm 2018-11-02
How is it illegal? Plus, avoiding taxes makes him smart.
1 doggo_to_the_rescue 2018-11-02
No its illegal to move to a state and not change your license and tags. You have, I believe 30 days to change everything over. Avoiding taxes may make him "smart" (lol) but it is illegal to avoid taxes that you owe.
1 ReBurnInator 2018-11-02
Thr absolute state university millennials. Truly the worst generation.
1 Denny_Craine 2018-11-02
The state ID requirement was retarded
The boomer who wrote the twitchy article should be shot for being a cringy boomer