UC Berkeley campus senator abstains from a vote. Now students want her out. (The real story that Journalists won't tell you!!)

1  2018-11-13 by itsnotmyfault

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/UC-Berkeley-campus-senator-abstains-from-a-vote-13378621.php - the proper story written by someone who's not autistic.

Intrigued by the really, really angry face she has on, I wondered two things.

First: what happened to the poor shmuck that voted against the bill.

Second: what were they saying to her?

I took to the meeting minutes for the ASUC to get the answers: https://asuc.org/public-info/

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eLPu54C2geoDCcG2feau-c-xHprohYFyKTrtEUiOQr4/edit

Wednesday, October 24th, 2018

Minutes from Senate Week 10, a week before the vote. Chow is mentioned 2 times. Meeting called to order at 8:15 PM. Meeting Adjourned after going through various votes and readings at 11:25 PM.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ay0d54Wx0EqEoH-lhU-JynwpBMeWF7k0KE1dEHl1mtU/edit

Wednesday, October 31st, 2018

Minutes from Senate Week 11, the night of the fateful vote. Chow is mentioned 18 times. Her brief reading of her reasons for abstaining appear to have taken place at around 9:30, as she moves for a 10 minute discussion. They then vote for SR 18/19-038, with unanimous Aye votes, with only Chow abstaining and one absent senator. The meeting is adjourned at 9:54 PM. An early night.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I8RYYiuei3xcNcmiAcV1c879nAYpAYVL0WXh7-XWNEE/edit#

Wednesday, November 7th, 2018.

Minutes from Senate Week 12, the next meeting since the vote. Chow is mentioned 111 times.

Meeting is called to order at 8:16 PM. Due to a seeming unprecedented amount of interest, the meeting begins with:

Sarkodee-Adoo moves to amend the agenda to remove senate announcements. Motion adopted.

Wilfert moves to amend the agenda to remove officer announcements. Motion adopted.

Wright moves to amend the agenda to move guest announcements to the end. Motion failed.

Greenwald moves to adopt the agenda. Motion adopted.

Motion to adopt the agenda as amended passed by unanimous consent.

They removed all actual Senate work, and replaced it with the following:

Campus Guest Reports 8:20 PM (worthless stuff)

Public Comments:

Alyssa Lu Alyssa was a senator under CalServe two years ago and denounces senators who did not publicly oppose Isabella Chow and her statement. She is queer, femme, and nonbinary.

Sylvia Targ She read 1 Peter 1:22, and said we are all here together.

Joseph Kim He is a christian and apologized for the church making people feel that they weren’t wanted. He said problems aren’t solved by pubic statements but through talking with each other.

Daniel Frise He is a Catholic sophomore here and voted for Isabella Chow because he supported her pro-life stance and conservative stance. He believes she should not be expelled from her position because doing so would be an offense to freedom of religion.

Matt Ronnau He says he has seen time after time the campus ridicule, harass, and silence dogma that is not liberally entrenched. He believes Christians are a marginalized group on campus.

Reagan Putnam The issue at hand is not about Isabella Chow abstaining, but about her unprecedented speech. Tonight is not about bullying, but about how demeaning rhetoric affects the lives of many. Tonight is about validating the experiences of people who fought against bigots who hid behind Christianity. The gay and trans panic defense is still effective in many states. Reagan listed off names of trans people who fell victim to violence against them.

Kaelyn Schleger Kaelyn went to Catholic high school for 4 years, and believes Christianity and LGBT identities are not irreconcilable. Kaelyn believes Isabella Chow is wrong, and it is our responsibility as humans to fight for what is right. Kaelyn believes one should love their neighbor as one loves themselves. Kaelyn found love in QARC, and quoted 1 Corinthians.

... And so it continues for 11 pages, ending with

Emily Fregaro For a long time Emily didn’t believe her being pan was okay, and tried to pray away who she was. Emily found love in Berkeley, and found who she loves is not wrong. Emily said “fuck you” to people who condone Chow or what she said, and said she can’t use religion to mask bigotry.

Isabella Chow listened to these people for three hours, before

Committee Reports 11:09 PM.

Meeting Adjourned 11:41 PM. Chow is noted to be in attendance.

Feel free to read through the rest of the comment and vote for your favorite heckler. Or match up the pictures of the protestors to their statements.

I'm just here wondering how many people are misgendered in the meeting minutes.

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I thought Berkeley was supposed to be hippy central? Why is this so... nerdy?

It’s been progressive nerd haven for a while.

Where are all the good old leftists who hated the suburban bourgeoisie, and stood up for the factory worker and the farmer? Who do these people fight for? The less than 1% of people who are trans?

Pretty much. I went to law school in the Bay Area. It was fucking hilarious. The modern socialist can’t give two shits about the slaves who produced xir iPhone, but god fucking dammit we better respect (insert group) inherent rights to (insert cause). And as for sexual rights how dare men have a (penis/fetish/preference), they must bow down and suck my (insert body part). Also fuck all white men.

Fucking hated the place. They whine about materialism while cooing over how they neeeeeed the $5000 dollar faux sealskin jacket. Then scream about tranny rights, pedo rights, or anti vaccine, whatever pet cause floats the boat atm.

The old hippies are dead or collecting pensions. Hail the new hippies.

Kent State 2.0 when

No

At least the old hippies had the decency to be interesting and bomb federal buildings.

Fucking Hippies

Holy fuck are you me?

People at my school: omfg we need to help the proles! Oh but they are too dumb to know how real socialism works! Stand up for first world nonexistant transgressions (while wearing slave made clothing from SEA and an iphone. Brand new of course)

Its animal farm IRL

Yep. Some animals are just more equal than others. Did you ever encounter the fucking green hats of stupidity, aka the National Lawyers Guild?

Holy shit, I'm blown away that other people know about how much lolcowery takes place in the NLG.

They’re a permanent fixture in California. I heard one of the chapter leadership call the ACLU ‘packed with fascists’ during a fundraiser. One of the members went full autismo when the fedsoc groupies had some autism come give a talk: NLG idiot ran around putting up “we hate hate” signs and testing down anything pro-fedsoc.

I heard one of the chapter leadership call the ACLU ‘packed with fascists’

OH NO NO NO LOOK AT THIS DUDE

Isk qhat that is. Im an autistic programmer.

It’s a civil rights group determined to make the ACLU look like the KKK.

National Lawyers Guild

Is that a California thing? I've never even heard of it.

NLG is mostly in blue areas. NY, Chicago, California. They’re spread around elsewhere but not nearly as concentrated. They ally with La Raza and other ‘slightly far lefter than normal’ groups.

Most law students learn about them in the first year and learn how to avoid them like the plague.

Most law students learn about them in the first year and learn how to avoid them like the plague.

Ah, I went to an infamously right-wing[1] law school, so that's maybe why I never ran across them.

[1] Our faculty was only ~70% democrats instead of 100% democrats.

I envy you. Our faculty had a pet libertarian-lite prof and 10 openly fedsoc mongs. And the rest were...100% “you know, Clinton is achually a neoliberal, but come 2016, it’s her turn.”

The theory that's my fav is that since gay marriage won, there's not really anything left for progressives to fight for so they gotta make shit up like taking a mental illness and expecting everyone to bend over backwards to support it. Let big dicked chicks wander the women's bathrooms/locker rooms and if you got a problem with it, you're a bigot! Refuse to suck on that girl dick? You're a bigot!

I don't think this one's gonna succeed cuz there's very few trannies out there and of that low number, half of them off themselves - which should be a glaring indicator that something is wrong upstairs - but nope, it's only because of all the bigotry don't you see?

That's the paradox of being progressive: you must make progress with new policies; it's you whole raison d'etre. You can't just sit back and say "hmmm, I think we've got it sorted now -- who wants a beer?" And if you can't think of a good new policy then any old idea will have to do.

There's plenty progressives could be working on. But, a lot of those things would entail their looking at their own priviledge.

Hastings?

Newp. Went to some events there. Decent school, the Tenderloin makes for a shit neighborhood.

the Tenderloin makes for a shit neighborhood

this but literally.

You're not a GGU man, are you? Shady, incompetent lawyers can be useful at times.

Newp. GGU is the NorCal version of Jefferson. I’m unironically hopin they make Avenatti the dean of the place when he settles down.

Was joking about GGU. Even a GGU alum wouldn't admit it.

I think I know what school it is now. If it was the South Bay one, you'd be way more smug in this thread.

The saddest moment for an GGU alumnus? When they find out the Cal Bar lists your school publicly.

And yeh, not many options left, are there? 😏

The saddest moment for an GGU alumnus? When they find out the Cal Bar lists your school publicly.

I'm sure they'd be happy just to make the list tbh. When I was searching for the name of "that shit school" one article had their bar passage rates. More than 20% below state average.

Ooooooof. I’ll be honest: I barely pay attention to bar passage rates. It’s below 20% fuck, wasn’t the self study group at over 20% a while back?

20% below state average of ~68%, so just slightly better than self study. Also, lol

“We have also been aggressive in recruiting students with excellent credentials, with the goal of increasing our median LSAT by two points,”

Average is 148.

Fucking. Lol.

I went to a tier 1 and somehow managed to be in the upper halfish of my class.

Pffffft, look at the gunner.

Southwestern grad says what?

the factory worker and the farmer

You mean deplorables?

STUPID RURAL RAYCISS MAYOOOOSSS

this but unironically

Turns out advocating for labor doesn't pay anymore, so modern leftists are mostly petit bourgeoisie acting out their class guilt instead of good old union types.

Petit bourgeoisie? These types are upper middle class or rich. There is a reason they have a disproportionately expansive platform for them to wax on about how they totally slum it like the poors. Hell, so many of them identify as LGBT (like “nonbinary”) because they know they are what the progressives should hate.

Being LGBT lets you call yourself a progressive while you call for restrictions on labor unions.

I’m a Lesbian trapped in a mans body. Help help.

Ok now, how do we banish these labor unions?

Require that they have female members in their leadership so that all-male unions like welders, electricians, longshoremen, etc can't function.

It’s a start but I think we need a toxic masculinity committee to oversee every man at work. I’m thinking 3-5 woman to keep an eye on each man. This is the only way to drive toxic masculinity out of the workplace.

Um sweaty, unions are icky....but keep those dirty boots on while you raw dog me 💅

Anyone under the .01%, or not a high-level politician, should really be considered “petit bourgeoisie” these days. Hell, even celebrities could be considered part of the rich “under-class.”

Who do you think are paying all these pop-stars & sports players & news anchors?

Capitalism provides for a meritocracy in the US, so if these types are upper middle class or rich, it means they deserve their status and wealth. Why do you hate people who are successful?

“Waaa I miss when I could say the n slur”

whiteleftism.jpg

American leftism is 90% about gender pronouns and racism, the other ten percent is hot hair, and 1% is legitimate concern for the plight of the working class.

Leftists have never given a fuck about the working class, they just use them as mooks and discard them after they've acquired power. Leftists are predominantly privileged people who exploit the "oppressed" for their agenda.

For UC Berkeley you have to be a nerd too.

If you're nerdy but not a hippy, you go to MIT or Stanford.

If you're hippy but not nerdy, you go to Evergreen.

evergreen is less competitive than a lot of community college programs

Hippies

Holy shit. Unironically this pisses me off. These are the mongs who will say everyone is special and their beliefs should be respected...and she abstains and politely explains why.

The paper also rebuffed Chow’s attempt to further explain her views in its pages. In her rejection letter, opinion editor Shayann Hendricks said the paper wouldn’t run Chow’s comments because her submission reflected her earlier statements, “which utilized rhetoric that is homophobic and transphobic by the Daily Cal’s standards.”

Muh frozen peaches called and said wtf.

Chow, a junior majoring in business administration and music, said she feels “frustrated and sad that Berkeley students are forced to live in a bubble, and we have to protect ourselves from anything that a vocal population deems to be offensive.”

Retarded major but looks like she’s learning the lesson.

She said she’s been surprised by the onslaught. “I go to classes, and people are looking at me. I’ve been painted in such a negative light. Everybody’s talking about it. No matter how much I tried to say, ‘I can love you and still disagree with you,’ people still interpret my disagreement with being a bigot and a hater.”

Yep.

At Wednesday night’s jam-packed Senate meeting, where all non-Chow business was set aside, students made clear that “disagreeing” with a person’s essence is the definition of bigotry. And for three hours, until shortly before midnight, they took the microphone one by one to tell her so, as Chow sat stony-faced beneath a huge banner reading “Senator Chow Resign Now.”

Says she opposes bullying, gets three hours of it. Well done kids, you sure showed...decency, consistency of thought, integrity, honesty, moral turpitude, I could go on but I won’t.

Dignity! I almost left off dignity!

still unemployed then?

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No he’s a lawyer 🤨

There’s a difference?

You sound poor

Very 😣 the new E350’s monthly payments are hurting me. It’s like a twelfth of my check.

And California’s taxes touch my no-no place: my wallet.

he lives in California

You owe me new sides

And probably live in a nicer house than you 🤷🏻‍♀️ Just have to put up with: taxes, insane COL, retarded Democrats, traffic, tight quarters, a crime rate that feels high but supposedly isn’t, occasional fires, wind, drought, massive water bills, brownouts, and insane public education.

Please don’t come here. It’s awful. Stay in your bumfuck nowhere.

Imagine e being so lame you need to live in a heavily populated area to feel relevant.

Yeah he goes on into detail, explaining a bunch of shit about California. I think. Who gives a fuck. Unless you're from somewhere interesting, like the Moon or that shitty planet Superman is from, no one cares.

So you make like 72k a year? Don’t choke on your golden dildo

72k in California

laughs in six figures

Lol then if you paying a 12th of your income for a lower midrange Mercedes the only one laughing should be the guy leasing it to you

At least lie and say you have an AMG fam

Who leases? I’m paying more to pay it off sooner. It’ll be over by March.

AMG is just hype in LA. I’d sooner go S class.

AMG is just hype in LA. I’d sooner go S class.

Or just buy a BMW, like a non-retarded person.

AMG < S Class

You should feel bad about this and you know it

Why are you buying one of the fastest depreciating vehicles in the US auto market, you stupid, idiotic, window-licking fucking retard?

E class

Gotta up your lawyer game

Yes.

You could always get a car that doesn't scream that you're a mong

I've heard that they are partly a business expense. To show the clients that you are not a loser.

Is that true?

UC-Berkeley politics in general is fucked. I took a car ride with two guys who just graduated back in summer - you had shit like gay-bashing between LGBTQ+ students and red-faced screaming between people on the same political party who'll twist their own damn political ideologues to own each other. I'm an evil lib/leftist/whatever the fuck the rhetoric these days and it doesn't take deepthroating Marx to realize that people can be stupid, regardless of how closely they hew to your opinions.

I don't care for religions in politics and it's weird she managed to get on the council in the first place and says all that rhetoric about hatin' tranny-bashers but then won't vote for the fucking trannies, but it's garbage how she's being treated, and if that makes me a "radical centrist" for not caring for harassment of someone, fine by fuckin' me.

At Wednesday night’s jam-packed Senate meeting, where all non-Chow business was set aside, students made clear that “disagreeing” with a person’s essence is the definition of bigotry.

So they are bigot against chow then ?

I want to roll with yes.

Lets see

The uproar began Oct. 31, when the Queer Alliance Resource Center asked the student Senate to pass a bill condemning the Trump administration for considering a legal definition of gender that would require it to match a person’s sex at birth.

Ok

Reading a five-paragraph statement explaining her decision, Chow told her 18 fellow senators, who all voted for the bill (another was absent), that discrimination “is never, ever OK.” She condemned bullies and bigots. She said she abhorred stereotypes. And she called the LGBT community valid and loved.

“That said,” Chow continued, voting for the bill would compromise her values and force her to promote groups and identities she disagrees with.

Hmm

Chow, a junior majoring in business administration and music, said she feels “frustrated and sad that Berkeley students are forced to live in a bubble, and we have to protect ourselves from anything that a vocal population deems to be offensive.”

She said she’s been surprised by the onslaught. “I go to classes, and people are looking at me. I’ve been painted in such a negative light. Everybody’s talking about it. No matter how much I tried to say, ‘I can love you and still disagree with you,’ people still interpret my disagreement with being a bigot and a hater.”

Looks like Chow's on the menu tonight. Bullying is the rightful action of transgender women when faced with bigotry such as this, or that of cisgender lesbians not having sex with them

I've known more coherent downies.

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This is a given, and not the first time has been told to me

Ok but how is that a retarded major

Bruh, if it ain’t STEM it ain’t a major. Everyone knows that.

This but unironically

this but unironically

this but ironically

this but transironically

Especially since its obviously a double major. She must be pretty smart to be doing music as well as business admin and dealing with this student government bullshit.

Ain’t women’s studies at a liberal college.

Muh frozen peaches

Don't worry. These people will be Democratic nominees to the federal bench in about 15-20 years, and then those nasty peaches will go away forever.

Nah. They can't function outside of these spots. Many of them will be embarrassed as hell within a few years of graduation.

Na they will just be a professor.

Tolerant societies should be intolerant of intolerance. That's a pretty clear line. If the early 20th century taught us anything, it is the power of tribalism amped up to the max with propaganda and nationalism. Nazis and the like should be looked down on and refused in every venue it is legally allowable.

But where do we draw the line? Probably in areas where it causes physical harm to someone. Does a black man marrying a white woman hurt anyone? Nope. Does two dudes getting married hurt anyone? Nope. Does a person who was born biologically a man that wants to put on a dress, recieve hormone treatment and be called a different name hurt anyone? Nope. Does a person fucking a duck hurt anyone? The duck. The duck can't legally consent, but we eat ducks and they don't consent to that. What about fucking a corpse? Corpse is already dead, if they have no loved ones who may be offended by it who does it hurt? Hmmm...

I'm not sure where the line should be drawn. I know that I think fucking corpses and ducks and duck's corpses is wrong, but by the current logic its not really hurting anyone. I'll have to think more on it.

But one thing is certian. Chow is wrong. On the other side of the line. That scumbucket piece of shit has besmirched bussy, and that is one thing I, as a drama user, will not abide.

Mommy is soooo proud of you, sweaty. Let's put this sperg out up on the fridge with all your other failures.

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Well I refuse to tolerate your intolerance of intolerance!

Where’s the wall?

Spoilers

The wall is in the North, but it's not doing so hot. An Ice Dragon just knocked a big chunk of it down atop a guy fucking a bear.

Spoilers

ebin swordshit reference my guy you know nothing xd xd

Imagine if these mayos gave Muslims 1/100th the scrutiny they give Christians

They sure love to hold struggle sessions.

Oh man I feel sorry for that person.

lmao and people still think Hitler was wrong.

🤔

No wrong answers, just wrong targets.

/u/lightumbra, this would be a good bussy quote!

True, he was such a champion of freeze peach and religious liberty

id gladly give up both to gulag the libs

But but but then they come for you

He was, he fucked it up

If only he mass manufactured shit instead of all his arms manafacturers having autistic fights to maximize profit

And never invaded the USSR. Or at least coordinated with the Japanese.

And never invaded the USSR

dude what? he/nazi germany encircled leningrad (today st ptrs burg), almsot captured stalingrad (city of steel, named aftrer stalin in the russian revolution after ww1), and was on the door step of moscow

how fucking historycel are you?

also japs tried to invade past manchuria but were more or less btfo'd initially by USSR forces. this was before Barbarossa IIRC

I'm saying "if he didn't" invade USSR he would have been better off. He also went super autistic about not repeating Napoleon and subverted his best generals constantly.

Leningrad was encircled and starved for years, but not razed. Hitler's orders.

Moscow was in the Wermacht's sights... Until Hitler made last minute changes to the plans.

Stalingrad was the turning point of the war. "Almost" taking a city that was essential to their oil needs is like saying he "almost didn't commit suicide". Almost don't mean shit.

And the defense of Moscow was only possible because of Siberian troops brought from...the east. Stalin was worried about a strategic pincer. He left experienced troops in the east for a while until his spy network told him the Japs were planning a naval war with the USA.

If the Japs weren't so busy raping Chinese kids in Nanking and weren't so mind boggling stupid to turn their forces towards the USA, Hitler might have an easier time on the Eastern Front. It still would have been wiser to not invade at all.

weren't so mind boggling stupid to turn their forces towards the USA

Japan was absolutely dependent on the U.S. for oil so they were pretty fucked when we cut them off. That, in turn, would force them to obtain resources via conquest, but they knew that once they did, it was only a matter of time before the U.S. entered the war in some capacity. Even if the American public was still isolationist, American leadership was not just going to sit by and let the Japanese grab up the entire Pacific while driving out American allies. Pearl Harbor crippled the U.S. Navy for some months and afforded Japan the time to sweep across SE Asia. All that being said, Japan set themselves up for failure from the start by attempting to establish a hegemony on the basis of land-based military might in East fucking Asia of all places, when their country is a tiny island nation with virtually no resource value.

Also see how we blockaded the fuck out of them with our subs lol past like 1943

Your last paragraph is the most important point. They bit off a massive bite they never had a chance of chewing. Even if they solved the oil problem, where they going to conquer the Chinese interior AND SE Asia?

Lmao ur a ww2 history manlet. Is all the info you got from pol posts and history channel docs?

The Imperial War Museum, but don't let that stop you from telling everyone what "almost" happened.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/operation-barbarossa-and-germanys-failure-in-the-soviet-union

"Meanwhile, Army Group Centre's supply situation was becoming critical. Hitler decided to halt the advance on Moscow and reinforce Army Groups North and South. Hoth's Panzer Group 3 was sent north to support the drive on Leningrad while Guderian's tanks were despatched to help Army Group South take Kiev. The German High Command protested vigorously. The panzers were only 220 miles from Moscow. But Hitler regarded the resource-rich Ukraine as more important. On 21 August he ordered that the conquest of the Crimea and the Donets Basin be given priority."

My almonds were already activated today.

this but unironically

And they say immigration is killing Western culture 🔫 danke schon to this BASED culture warrior🍔

Also:

[https://www.reddit.com/r/berkeley/comments/9uk7q9/asuc_irl/?st=JOG2OLBH&amp;sh=ea123a30](Memeing on the fundies)

Innovative take on 1st amendment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/berkeley/comments/9tc620/student_action_announces_disaffiliation_with/?st=JOG2URNZ&amp;sh=d8bbd2d8]("Free speech" is guaranteed by the First Amendment, but the Constitution does not protect against the side effects caused by stupid and insensitive statements.)

That sub is hilarious.

When a student government run by the state is trying to silence opposition speech, but theyre still trying to paint it as just “social repercussions”

Ooh UCB drama I can weigh in on.

People dislike Chow for many more reasons than her abstaining from the vote, a lot of people disagree with basically every position she has (she’s big on the Bible).

Most of the 1st gen Chinese and Koreans I know are big time Christians, but I'm an East Coast Asian and not affiliated with the Jesus circlejerk.

Aren't there a lot of bible-thumping Asians out there? Is she really wrong when she says she's representing the people that put her into office?

Also, is there any popular sentiment on what would have happened if she shut up and said nothing, but still abstained (or even voted against)?

I mean people dislike her to begin with but I doubt there would have been as much buzz if she hadn’t said anything.

I don’t think there’s that many bible thumping Asians honestly. Yeah they exist but Berkeley is insanely liberal even for a college.

There are a shitload of bible-thumping Asians, Korea even has a problem with evangelicals in the same vein the US did throughout the 80's-2000's.

Californian progressives have conveniently forgotten that religious fundamentalism isn't an exclusively white thing for decades now. Even after the state accidentally banned gay marriage, Californian progs can't help but stereotype religious extremism as a white thing and treat minority communities as fully-fledged moral actors.

Wait until they meet the Mexicans that aren't going to their west coasts bubble schools for the first time. Good people but very jesus.

This is why I don't buy the demographic destiny idea that's taken over Democrats. You wait like 2 generations and most Mexicans are Ted Cruz-tier milquetoast conservatives.

Unironically they should be voting 80-20 red if there wasnt such a wedge over immigration and a view that the GOP is racist entrenched among the demographic. Otherwise they’re literally just hardcore catholics working in farms and being hard into family values.

a view that the GOP is racist entrenched among the demographic.

I wonder what could be causing that 🤔🤔🤔

Please keep thinking this way

Why?

48D Chess: once the border wall is finished the issue will be less of a battleground. Hispanics in a decade or two won't know any illegals and will start aligning their traditional values to the GOP.

Californians

Wait until they meet the Mexicans

I assume you're talking about the kids who just matriculated here from Wisconsin. Otherwise this is retarded.

You think they talk to the working mexicans ever?

I still have to order my burrito

I'm sure they do, but I have trouble visualizing some CA malibu mayo getting mexican food from anywhere but chipotle

Aren't there a lot of bible-thumping Asians out there?

Mostly Vietnamese and in Houston.

So you are saying they are bigots

In the same way that not electing people who want to enact Sharia law is bigotry, sure

Student senator

Staff of 28

mfw.

Reminder only NPCs take student government seriously.

I don’t even think mp’s at th national level in my country have that large of a staff.

iirc the only reason it's taken so seriously in UC-B (besides being fucking Berkeley) is because it gives you access to what funds go where and who gets to fuck with the budget. In a uni that's one of the most monied and most prone to old white men arbitrarily charging out the ass for it, that's pretty important.

Oh, they actually have a say in budget? Ours was literally just s resume builder "every resolution we pass we'll ask the administration nicely for it"

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just that (budget positions are always fought over, even if they amount to jack shit - most of my experience is from community colleges just not giving a shit if it's not anything presidential, which always had some hilariously personal drama spiraling out of control) or if it's really important, or a mix of both. I figure UC-Berkeley is loud enough to get the squeaky wheel - especially since it's a pretty prestigious campus.

If being invovled in academia has taught me nothing, the conflicts are so vicious because the stakes are so low.

that explains a lot of idiots on tenure being stupid about the smallest shit. the state uni in my city has a tenured professor who goes off over the dumbest shit. not even typical 'fuck you, i'm tenured' behavior - legit tantrums over something stupid.

The real reason is that maybe 2 people do anything at all and the rest just put it on their resume. Don't hire people in student government, they're all bullshit artists.

I remember while I was at uni there was some retarded student gov scandal that got someone arrested. Might have been the first time I heard about stugov aside from elections.

I assume the "staff" are all volunteers. Still though.

Wow... I thought this shit only happened in The Daily Wire's ecstasy-induced rants.

To be fair, half of the people giving comments are saying things "on behalf of an anonymous X". AKA, they were shitposting with the other Twitter addicts and frothing themselves into a rage that's several times larger than any potentially reasonable response. For example:

Madeline Flynn: She read a statement on behalf of an anonymous transgender student who was saved from self harm and suicide by coming to Berkeley. As someone who has gone to Catholic school for years, Madeline believes Isabella has failed her. Madeline said “God is queer, gay, trans, and intersex”. Madeline does not condone hatred and bigotry towards God’s beloved perfect human beings, and said Isabella Chow should be ashamed and resign.

“God is queer, gay, trans, and intersex”

wtf I love Richard Dawkins now.

But is Richard Dawkins queer, gay, trans, and, intersex?

God's beloved perfect human beings

This may be my Atheism-induced ignorance of the matter speaking, but isn't one of the foundational precepts of Christian theology that it's impossible for people to be perfect?

It's also a product of trimming 2 minute rants full of a 100+ person peanut gallery of fervent virtue-signalers into a couple of sentences.

https://www.facebook.com/theASUC/videos/324078264990120/?t=7211 2:01 ish. Here's a quick attempt to transcribe that.

"Uh, I have an anonymous statement [inaudible]. I am a transgender woman and I have the right to be authentic [inaudible] society [inaudible]. I worked hard and fought [inaudible] to pursue my goals, the more important [inaudible]. Coming to America and the Bay Area, has saved me from self-harm and suicide, and I refuse to let this school and city be tarnished for the incredible [inaudible] marginalized [inaudible].

Isabella Chow, as someone who has grew up in a Catholic household and attended Catholic School for 13 years, I believe you have failed your Christian community. As a member of the UC berkely student body, and an ally of the community of which you have hurt, [inaudible] I know you have failed this university. Your bible tells us God made all humans in their holy and perfect image. If you believe that then you hsould understand and know that God is queer, God is gay, God is trans, God is intersex. The hatred and bigotry you are directing toward these individuals and these communities is hatred and bigotry that you are directing towards the beloved and perfect creations that your God created. You should be ashamed and you should resign."

If only you could put that energy into your relationships

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Ok, then, that makes a bit more sense. Still stupid, but not as unhinged as it sounded.

freedom of speech should be revoked

This was said at a University? Jesus...

Not just any university.

This was said at a university famous for its student protests to allow free speech of liberals, feminists, leftists, etc... on campus during a time when it was dominated by conservatives.

Things swung completely the other way, and now advocating free speech is considered conservative and a fascist dog whistle. I can't even

This is what happens when you think being oppressed is automatically a virtue.

Faggots are so retarded, I swear it's like watching evolution fail on a macro scale.

That is because you all got brainwashed in kindergarten that violence is inherently bad.

berkeley is wat happens when u let a bunch of rarded social media mongs ruin an historical science institution 🤓🤓🤓 soon the fate of all great unis

As California burns the children argue about genitals.

Agreed, they should be protesting climate change instead.

I genuinely agree with this.

Ah yes, it was climate change that didn't address the insane underbrush issue comprised of oil filled match leaves that built up over the years that everyone has been shouting to deal with prescribed burns but California's SJW's keep refusing to because "mah mother nature!"

It was both.

It was solely the tree brush issue. Climate change can't make those same leaves extra dry, they're already ready to go and the only thing that's happened is that California allowed an insane amount to accumulate in the area.

No it's not all fuel you mong. The jet stream is beyond fucked, causing these repeat wind and humidity events and causing year after year of unprecedented drought. Yes, all of California's foresta shoild have low intensity controlled burns every few years to clear out underbrush and tree crowding, but any spark is devestating in single digit humidity with 50mph winds, even with far less fuel.

Climate change stopped the rain.

Its the federal governments fault for not taking care their own land.

Does California control how it's federal lands are managed? I also thought California had pretty aggressive wildfire prevention management.

thety dont but idk

Does California control how it's federal lands are managed?

Apart from they are the ones who put in the regulations denying wide-spread controlled burns, which the feds have to adhere to since the burns require intersection with state land and it's effectively useless without both.

But keep blaming the weather for something that literally is entirely a tree brush issue. Because those leaves are dry regardless of how much the ice caps melt.

But the state only controls about 3% of the land.

California always burns.

Burn Hollywood burn

Why don't those college students go get fire fighter training and start fighting fires in the less than one week since these fires started, amirite? They should all abandon any personal concerns and business they have and drive out to the front lines. That would be a good use of the money they potentially put themselves in debt to spend on higher education, and definitely not a hindrance to the actual professional firefighters. That is definitely exactly what they signed up for.

What a fucking moronic comment.

Being Asian doesn't help her at all in the oppression olympics, she might have been able to pull this off if she was a darker skinned Muslim student it's tough to say nowadays tranny is king. I think it was actually Berkeley or UCLA campus where they interviewed students asking if a Christian baker should be forced to bake a cake for a fabulous gay wedding. They were pretty unanimous in their collective opinion that YES, "make them bake that cake!" But when the interviewers circled back around and asked the same students if a Muslim baker should be forced to do the same thing, their fucking brains short circuited and they couldn't give an answer.

Sounds like the Progressive StackTM is working as intended.

You're half-joking, and I therefore want to inform you that I just read an interview with a guy who apparently literally wrote a book about this: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/wesley-yang-on-asian-americans-and-political-correctness.html

Like, Asians are the odd man out in both this traditional American hierarchy, which culminates in the white bro, and the alternate progressive hierarchy, which culminates in the intersectional stack. These hierarchies, which are rivals to one another in this ongoing cultural polemic, are both able to find their other in the Asian person.

That'll take care of the joking half and your desire to live.

Motion to consider Asians as Certified 100% Mayo?

Sounds like a bunch of fucking morons.

The proposal would change the federal Title IX civil rights law and potentially remove its protections from 1.4 million transgender people

Some quick google says that roughly 17 million people are currently enrolled in a college under title IX jurisdiction, are they seriously claiming nearly 1 in 10 students are trans?

last numbers I saw estimated 0.3% of people, which 1.4 would be about right

I guess 1/250 I can swallow. But that's definitely not how many are under title 9

I guess 1/250 I can swallow.

🙃

Open wide sweaty. That hot futa juice ain’t gonna swallow itself.

I tino you confused .3% for 3%

Nope, I've always seen numbers in the tenths of a percent, anywhere between 0.1 and 0.7, with the entire lgbt population being estimated at about 7%

The proposal would change the federal Title IX civil rights law and potentially remove its protections from 1.4 million transgender people

Yes, and only a unanimous vote of the Berkeley Student Council can stop this new federal law.

I think they messed up by saying Title IX is protecting 1.4 million trans people, because the article they linked for that number says this:

About 1.4 million American adults identify as transgender

I'm guessing that they were supposed to address Title IX along with federal programs in general.

This is why I went to a mediocre state school

(Also cuz I was a poor)

At Wednesday night’s jam-packed Senate meeting, where all non-Chow business was set aside, students made clear that “disagreeing” with a person’s essence is the definition of bigotry.

If Your genital configuration and how you feel about it is genuinely your "essence" you should really consider what that says about you. Identity politics is just shitty self applird stereotypes.

There's no good drama like University Senate drama.

The difference between Washington politics drama and University politics drama is like the difference between professional and amateur porn. Sure the professional stuff has a bigger budget, but the amateur stuff is more real and has the capacity to go infinitely more wrong.

These kids are the ultimate teacher’s pets. All of their slogans and beliefs are Teacher Approved and sure to get them a pat on the head and a warm smile from their betters.

This is what a bootlicking goodie two-shoes looks like in 2018.

Who are the rebels in college today?

No one. Conservatives are bootlicking daddy daily, liberals hold all the positions and power, literally everyone wants an authoritarian leader of their personal flavor. Were all fat and happy and arguing over petty shit that has no real impact while leaders use these to choke our freedoms and expand the federal power. Tell anyone to try and put aside the pet issues and look at the expansion of federal power into our lives and youll either get screamed at about how its all good and for your good or how its just a conspiracy and not actually happening. Serious posting makes me sad. Can i get an F for the Articles of Confederation 😭😭😭

Conservatives.

Centrists.

On 8 chan.

she's a conservative making conservative statements at UC berkley, this is not surprising in the slightest. What is, however, is this:

Chow, who has a staff of 28, was elected with support from Christian students and the “publications and media” community involved with journals, magazines and CalTV.

how the fuck does a campus senator have a staff

What are you, some kind of poor with a staff of only 20?

I don’t need a staff to be completely fucking inept, thank you

cause berkeley is large school and her staff probably arent getting paid much

Trump administration's anti-LGBTQ actions in new Title IX regulations.

Lady needs to learn to pick her fucking battles. If you can't navigate college then I dunno how you're gonna do in the real world. Hopefully this is a learning situation for her.

Trump using this issue to rile up his base is something you can "condemn" simply because it's naked politics that accomplishes nothing. "I condemn it because as a Conservative I'd rather him actually get shit done instead of wasting time in the social sphere." There, you get to flaunt your creds and make the stupid hippies happy.

Imagine thinking I'm actually gonna read this shit.

This, but unironically.

Lindsey Chung (left) Lindsey said Isabella Chow is transphobic and homophobic and should resign.

Wow, someone that looks like that has that opinion. Shocking.

You see its Berkeley and go "yep, sounds about right"

Romario read off a list of 22 trans people who were killed in the United States this year.

I'm pretty sure 22 people are killed before noon per day in Detroit.

The real question: Why the fuck is petty campus drama being reported nationally?

Conservatards declaring war on the libtards.

Just point and laugh at everyone, as is tradition.

U Berkeley is still full of retards? Definitely didn't see that coming.

Thank god California is on fire

“As a Christian, I personally do believe that certain acts and lifestyles conflict with what is good, right and true,” she said. “I believe that God created male and female at the beginning of time, and designed sex for marriage between one man and one woman."

honestly with reasoning like that i don't know what else you could reasonably expect?

Imagine paying tuition to attend school there. There has got to be this underground network of people just trying to get an education. Scuttling from building to build like citizens of Mosul dodging ISIS patrols, sitting the back of class hoping no one talks to you, wearing all beige, taking only early morning or night classes, subsisting on a diet of smuggled Nutella, bread and energy drinks to avoid the dining halls. Just ordinary people trying to get by in a world gone mad.

What does marriage have to do with protecting/stepping up for trans students?

I think she was rightfully called out for being stupid.

I cracked up when some of the trans claim that Chow made them feel "unsafe." Gimme a break. If you are at U Berkeley, and one of the six christians on campus makes you feel "unsafe," it's probably because you have the emotional maturity of an 8-year-old. Grow up.

It's funny to me because they really could have just published her views and let it play out that way, modern liberal society can just take note of people with stupid beliefs and move on, let them just tout those beliefs and naturally alienate themselves from power. It's Berkley not Mississippi.

To qoute a speaker, words kill

One of the speakers at the start was Muh white male christian under attack Matt Ronnau https://www.facebook.com/theASUC/videos/324078264990120/?t=2192

The crowd erupts in laughter when he says "the mob that has descended on Chow" and again when he says "ridicule, harass, and try to silence any line of thinking that falls out of line".

The VP's glares at the crowd to try and get them quiet are kind of amusing.

Imagine if this was a brown Muslim instead of a BASED azn. Leftoids would be a bit more conflicted, rightoids would be going "REEE ACCEPT AMERICAN VALUES OR LEAVE" instead of "You’re the perfect example that no matter how kind and loving we are, the identitarian left will still hate us. I admire your bravery. I’ll be praying for you."

Anyway, it looks like the mental POZZing isn't strong enough in the public schools. (((They))) are going to have to ramp it up a bit.

So much bad theology in those coments

At Wednesday night’s jam-packed Senate meeting, where all non-Chow business was set aside, students made clear that “disagreeing” with a person’s essence is the definition of bigotry.

What if someone's "essence" is being a pedophile?

Lindsey Chung could turn even the oldest, fattest sexpat gay. What an orc.