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shut up ed

Fuck lolis can we talk about how am hentai has literal cow udders for tits? Give me normal tit 2d when japs >:(

They also blur out everything in 3D. What kind of reptilian agenda do they have, anyway? 🤔🤔🤔

If you feel the need to gaze upon a strangers genitalia then I must urge you to seek help as quickly as you may afford.

it's funny cause Americans are to blame for this.

I don't mind it too much, less close-up shots of genitals smashing is a good thing.

Only the hentai that markets to cow tits lovers. Hentai is bigger than you can ever imagine. There's enough content for literally everyone.

All the hentai I’m subbed to all have cow tits. And lolis are for pedos so I’m not interested in that

Fucking do research and make efforts to find the hentai with proper tits.

Or just fap to traps like an intellectual.

Sadly there is no r/normalhentai

There is r/traphentai and r/delicioustraps

/r/VanillaRomanceOnly

why are you using reddit for hentai

thats your problem

Nhentai is pretty garbo. And I don’t really know any good sites

what are you looking for doujinshi?

Doujinshi, or even images doesn’t really matter

he doesn't go on sadpanda

sad!

Lolis will save the mankind fool

/r/chiisaihentai (nsfw, duh)

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Every time

Lolibertarians

Lolibertarians

Video games aren't children.

/u/Roger_Stone not /u/Roger-Stone

Disappointed

Look at all that T_D posting, good lord.

Which one?

I was referring to the genuine article.

Ikr? It's kinda sad. I still want to mod him here tho

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What do I win?

I guess the rumors about your people were true.

Me too... The shemale subs threw me for a minute though

Fun Fact

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9xams9/steam_continues_their_moral_panic_and_ban_spree/e9us1rq/?context=3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr8gJ7xWoAA_l05.png

that looks nothing like a child

monobeno is on steam but that cant be?

You're aware that 2D pedo laws are not set in stone and certain areas which Steam is distributed may in fact bring them to court for peddling filth.

"Loli hentai isn't illegal" says literal children who have never actually looked up how shaky those laws are across the US, much less other nations.

youre aware that there are games like monobeno which are way closer to being illegal than the game that was banned was

Loli hentai isn't illegal

Literally isn't, State Law isn't federal law and valve aren't based in some place it's illegal

certain areas which Steam is distributed

Steam sells many things which are illegal in other countries, how do they deal with this?

They block the game from anyone with an IP from viewing it and likely also block anyone with billing information from that country from purchasing it.

much less other nations.

who gives a fuck about those other nations?

Valve are a US company foreign laws do not apply to them in this scenario.

FACT: Loli is a gateway drug to pedophilia.

One of the main reasons people get into loli is to reach their new sexual high. What do you think will be the next step for some? Why do you think there are comics where an old man kidnaps a 9-yo away from the kindergarten to violently rape her in a forest? If you had kids, do you want to live next to the guy who faps to that thought? "They're just cartoons, bro". Fuck off.

i hate to serious post about fucking lolicon but youre wrong

In multiple countries, namely Japan, Denmark and Czechia (I believe Germany and Sweden too but I am not sure)

Increase in pornography is tied to a noticeable decrease in all sex related crimes and most violent crimes.

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.htm

Japan which is arguably the country where this content is the most "mainstream" or at least easiest to obtain has some of the lowest crime rates including sex related crimes and sex related crimes involving minors in the world, countries where pornography is harder to obtain or certain types are banned like the UK have noticeably higher amounts (50x the amount of rape in 2014 according to UNODC)

not that i think its normal but it isnt a gateway drug and there is no proven link that it increases sexual abuse of kids

What do you think will be the next step for some?

You mentioned it yourself other types of kinks like rape etc

And what is banning it going to do?

Why do you think there are comics where an old man kidnaps a 9-yo away from the kindergarten to violently rape her in a forest?

Same reason rape kinks, scat, guro etc all exist.

If you had kids, do you want to live next to the guy who faps to that thought? "They're just cartoons, bro". Fuck off.

not really

but id rather him fap to cartoons than my kids

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Increase in pornography is tied to a noticeable decrease in all sex related crimes and most violent crimes.

Obvious third factors come into play here - pornography legalisation is pretty directly tied to liberal views on sexuality. Liberal views on sexuality pretty directly increase the social cost of sexual violence, so you'd expect the two to come together regardless of the effect of pornography itself on the mind.

not that i think its normal but it isnt a gateway drug and there is no proven link that it increases sexual abuse of kids

I agree more research need to be done before speaking conclusively but it makes sense that porn would function that way, e.g. people talk about "discovering" kinks. We know sexuality is in part a sociological phenomenon, and that people's sexual tastes are in part shaped by their experiences.

What does banning CP do? Or are you arguing that should be legalised too?

CP harms kids in a direct way though. Although you could question how realistic this cartoon kiddie porn can be? If the worldview is that porn decreases sexual crime; what's the argument against very realistic looking CP? Especially in a decade or two.

I do believe he's right in some sense that porn decreases sexual crime, but it's also a catch-22. Do you want 1000 beta shut-ins who fantasize about raping kids but only result in 11 sexual assaults and 3 rapes? Or 50 social pedos that result in 19 sexual assaults and 5 rapes?

Do you want 1000 beta shut-ins who fantasize about raping kids but only result in 11 sexual assaults and 3 rapes? Or 50 social pedos that result in 19 sexual assaults and 5 rapes?

i want the latter for sure

sure those 1000 kia users are creepy but in the end less people are being hurt

You mean the former bro. Latter is the last option, former is the first.

fixed thanks

pornography legalisation is pretty directly tied to liberal views on sexuality.

and what are those liberal views that are decreasing it?

Of course its not 100% proof, but the evidence only points towards it.

I agree more research need to be done before speaking conclusively but it makes sense that porn would function that way, e.g. people talk about "discovering" kinks.

Yet people have always discovered these things before the internet, as I mentioned rape and other sex related crimes were more common before the internet was around.

It's really not a crazy idea.

I do think that one would need to be exposed to something to learn about said attraction but I don't think the attraction is made when they are exposed to it, it probably existed for longer than that.

What does banning CP do?

Child pornography has a victim involved, same as revenge porn.

and what are those liberal views that are decreasing it?

What do you mean? I'm saying the whole "sexual revolution" as it spreads has a dual effect of decreasing pornography legislation (as the idea of unrestricted sexual enjoyment is associated with the sexual revolution) and decreasing sexual violence (as the idea that women are equal participants in sexual behaviour rather than objects to abuse as men see fit is associated with the sexual revolution).

Yet people have always discovered these things before the internet,

I'm sure we can agree that the internet is a more effective way of spreading ideas and images than what was before. E.g. Furries existed before the internet but it was tiny. Now they are approaching mainstream.

as I mentioned rape and other sex related crimes were more common before the internet was around.

And as I mentioned that's meaningless unless you control for the other changes going on at the same time.

I do think that one would need to be exposed to something to learn about said attraction but I don't think the attraction is made when they are exposed to it, it probably existed for longer than that.

Sexuality is just more messy than that. I get that people are busy buying into the idea that people are "born" with their sexuality or it's genetically fixed or something because of the hoohah over gay people but there's more to sexuality than that. I mean just for an example if you consider these remote tribes where the women are topless but it's not sexualised, compared to mainland europe where it's more common to see a topless women without it being viewed as indecent, compared to the US where there's a strong sexual taboo around breasts to the point where breastfeeding is even somewhat controversial. Is it just that the men who sexualise breasts are mostly born in the the Anglosphere? Or is it that each society has helped shape how the sexuality of the people in that society?

Child pornography has a victim involved, same as revenge porn.

It's a good distinction, I guess what I'm saying is that I don't view the banning of CP as a tragic lesser of two evils situation where we are doing the right thing for the victims at the cost of increasing the crime rate, but I instead view it as doing the right thing for the victims as well as reducing society's apatite for sexualising children, by massively disincentivising it.

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I'm sure we can agree that the internet is a more effective way of spreading ideas and images than what was before. E.g. Furries existed before the internet but it was tiny. Now they are approaching mainstream.

Correct, but as you mentioned they existed before now they just have a better and more public outlet for it

And as I mentioned that's meaningless unless you control for the other changes going on at the same time.

It's not meaningless, it just isn't 100% proof, however everything points in the favour of pornography decreasing sex crime.

I mean just for an example if you consider these remote tribes where the women are topless but it's not sexualised

Fair point, but pedophilia and zoophilia have existed for a long time it's hard to compare how prevalent they were compared to now for obvious reasons.

Correct, but as you mentioned they existed before now they just have a better and more public outlet for it

I'm not saying the same people have got more vocal, I'm saying the numbers have grown. There's a lot more people drawing furry porn, wearing fursuits, engaging in furry sexual activity, whatever, and that's because of the internet.

It's not meaningless, it just isn't 100% proof, however everything points in the favour of pornography decreasing sex crime.

It's correlated, but there's good reason to form other interpretations of the correlation than yours. I've already explained one. So which interpretation is it proving? How many % proof is it? The correlation by itself doesn't help us with that, so it's meaningless for working out who is right or wrong.

Fair point, but pedophilia and zoophilia have existed for a long time it's hard to compare how prevalent they were compared to now for obvious reasons.

It is, I agree. I'm just saying we know culture affects sexuality - that when you put a man in a society that sexualised breasts, he's going to sexualise breasts, and when you put him in a society that doesn't, he doesn't.

Now we're discussing what effect our society sexualising children would have, I think it's likely to follow the same trajectory. So it follows that taking steps to reduce our society, or subcultures within our society, sexualising children, would reduce paedophilia.

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So it follows that taking steps to reduce our society, or subcultures within our society, sexualising children, would reduce paedophilia.

I mean I'm all for you trying, but try going to Japan where lolishit stems from, and try doing that

See how long it takes before you get thrown out of the country lmao

I'm not saying the same people have got more vocal, I'm saying the numbers have grown. There's a lot more people drawing furry porn, wearing fursuits, engaging in furry sexual activity, whatever, and that's because of the internet.

correct, however as degenerate furfags are they ultimately are only hurting themselves

It's correlated

Yes and if the only correlation is a positive one not a negative one it's likely that the things are related, it doesn't prove it is but it makes it likely.

correct, however as degenerate furfags are they ultimately are only hurting themselves

Ok, my point was before there were ways to share furry porn form a furry community there were much fewer furries. Once they had a space to share the community grew. Now how would you apply the lessons learned from that to loli?

Yes and if the only correlation is a positive one not a negative one it's likely that the things are related, it doesn't prove it is but it makes it likely.

I'm saying I think they are related, it's just that they are related because of another factor - one does not cause the other. For a seasonal example - people buy Christmas trees around the same time of year as they buy Christmas wrapping paper. But it's not like Christmas tree sales cause the sale of wrapping paper, nor that wrapping paper sales cause the sales of Christmas trees. Both are caused by something else - Christmas. So if you really wanted to sell more wrapping paper it wouldn't make sense to put up ads for Christmas trees in July.

Same with this, the fall in sexual violence and the rise in porn are related, but neither caused the other - they were both caused by a third factor - the sexual revolution.

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Now how would you apply the lessons learned from that to loli?

Sure, but loli isn't pedophilia, its weird as fuck but there are definitely people who are into it who arent into real kids for a number of reasons

while it might increase the amount of people having these fantasies it isn't increasing the amount of people hurting kids, which is the main thing.

I'm saying I think they are related, it's just that they are related because of another factor - one does not cause the other.

What else do you think is causing the decrease?

the sexual revolution.

and that is?

Sure, but loli isn't pedophilia

And furry porn isn't the same as sex in a fur suit. But the fantasy and the act are obviously connected.

while it might increase the amount of people having these fantasies it isn't increasing the amount of people hurting kids, which is the main thing.

You don't have enough information to claim that.

What else do you think is causing the decrease?

There's an increasing social cost to sexual violence, caused by people viewing women less like property or sexual objects and more like people who choose to have sex or not themselves. I don't know how much you want me to keep saying the same thing..

the sexual revolution

and that is?

Again, the idea that unrestricted sexual enjoyment is a good thing, it has an emphasis on sexual autonomy.

And furry porn isn't the same as sex in a fur suit. But the fantasy and the act are obviously connected.

not every furry will fuck in a fur suit

You don't have enough information to claim that.

In every study it has only decreased with an increase in pornography

In 10 years (2004 vs 2014) the amount of child sexual abuse per 100,000 people has gone up in the UK, Lolicon content was made illegal in the UK in 2009

There's an increasing social cost to sexual violence

What about pedophilia which is mainly what this is about, ignoring places where pedophilia was/is okay pedophilia was never socially acceptable.

not every furry will fuck in a fur suit

And I'm not claiming every consumer of loli is going to try to recreate their fantasy either, but again they are of course connected

In every study it has only decreased with an increase in pornography

We've talked about this already, I don't know how else to explain it to you.

In 10 years (2004 vs 2014) the amount of child sexual abuse per 100,000 people has gone up in the UK, Lolicon content was made illegal in the UK in 2009

That's one data point, to draw a conclusion you need to separate out other effects by comparing to other countries. For example: a lot of crime rates became worse in the UK after 2008, because of the economic downturn.

What about pedophilia which is mainly what this is about, ignoring places where pedophilia was/is okay pedophilia was never socially acceptable.

Does a study show a connection between loli and child abuse rates?

Either way, the connection isn't as direct, but as awareness of child abuse only really picked up in the seventies, driven by feminism initially, you can see it - the idea that rape is traumatising rather than merely unpleasant comes from feminism which is related to the sexual revolution.

So as awareness of child sexual abuse as prevalent and horrific crime grew, we started to act against it and rates dropped. The awareness grew alongside society viewing sex in this new way.

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And I'm not claiming every consumer of loli is going to try to recreate their fantasy either, but again they are of course connected

theres probably a correlation between rapists and porn too

We've talked about this already, I don't know how else to explain it to you.

i know your point of correlation =/= causation

but if thats all you have to go of and theres nothing to suggest otherwise its probably true

That's one data point, to draw a conclusion you need to separate out other effects by comparing to other countries. For example: a lot of crime rates became worse in the UK after 2008, because of the economic downturn.

Correct it's one datapoint to suggest banning loli leads to more child rape, there no datapoints however to suggest it goes down

For example: a lot of crime rates became worse in the UK after 2008, because of the economic downturn.

it could be that, it could be the lolicon ban, it could be both or neither

you cant say for sure, but you can make a good guess based off multiple studies and statistics

Does a study show a connection between loli and child abuse rates?

Other than the ones ive linked which covered all porn no

its unlikely unless we see a country decide to unban loli after its been banned

Either way, the connection isn't as direct, but as awareness of child abuse only really picked up in the seventies, driven by feminism initially, you can see it - the idea that rape is traumatising rather than merely unpleasant comes from feminism which is related to the sexual revolution.

Child rape is seen as far worse than normal rape and always has been

So as awareness of child sexual abuse as prevalent and horrific crime grew, we started to act against it and rates dropped. The awareness grew alongside society viewing sex in this new way.

So thats not because of the social cost of sexual violence but awareness about it

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theres probably a correlation between rapists and porn too

Maybe, sure.

i know your point of correlation =/= causation

but if thats all you have to go of and theres nothing to suggest otherwise its probably true

That's not true, but also it's not all I have to go on. I'm suggesting a different connection. So I don't see why the correlation suggests your interpretation or my interpretation of the data. The correlation makes sense in either interpretation. So why is yours more likely?

Correct it's one datapoint to suggest banning loli leads to more child rape, there no datapoints however to suggest it goes down

It's one data point, so it doesn't suggest anything. And again to show that I offered an alternative explanation.

it could be that, it could be the lolicon ban, it could be both or neither

Exactly! More evidence needed before drawing a conclusion.

its unlikely unless we see a country decide to unban loli after its been banned

It's not a real barrier to the study. Lots of other countries similar to the UK experienced economic downturn so you could see what effect you'd expect on that basis and then see how the UK differed, correcting for those effects. Though a problem that might be harder to account for is that it wasn't just a loli ban but a ban on lots of different porn.

Child rape is seen as far worse than normal rape and always has been

It used to be viewed as harm rather than trauma. The idea that it has long lasting effects into the rest of your life is more recent, and it being raised as an issue by feminists in the 70s triggered a change in how we dealt with child abuse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#History

So thats not because of the social cost of sexual violence but awareness about it

Yes, I don't think it's likely to be quite the same as other sexual violence.

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I'm suggesting a different connection

What connection?

The correlation makes sense in either interpretation. So why is yours more likely?

Because there has never been this sexual revolution or whatever you call it in some of the studies, there certainly wasn't one in Japan

Exactly! More evidence needed before drawing a conclusion.

Well if you want to convince a politician to ban loli content for 5 years then remove the ban and see which one is better for the safety of kids go ahead, but most people aren't going to be a fan of social experimenting with child rapes.

It's one data point, so it doesn't suggest anything

It doesn't suggest much but it still suggests something

Though a problem that might be harder to account for is that it wasn't just a loli ban but a ban on lots of different porn.

the porn license thing is a recent thing, my data is from 2004 and 2014, the lolicon ban was in 2009

It used to be viewed as harm rather than trauma

I don't see how that means there was less social stigma around it.

Up until the 1930s, the psychological impact of sexual abuse was not emphasized, instead emphasis was placed on the physical harm or the child's reputation

See but thats the 1930s, well before lolicon kind of stuff existed so you cant say something in the 30s caused a decrease in late 1900/early 2000

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What connection?

The one you've asked me about like 5 times now

Because there has never been this sexual revolution or whatever you call it in some of the studies, there certainly wasn't one in Japan

Which study about Japan sorry? I agree Japan is different to western nations

Well if you want to convince a politician to ban loli content for 5 years then remove the ban and see which one is better for the safety of kids go ahead, but most people aren't going to be a fan of social experimenting with child rapes.

More studies, not an experiment like that lol

It doesn't suggest much but it still suggests something

What does it suggest? Your interpretation of that data point or mine? This is what I mean, it's meaningless without context.

the porn license thing is a recent thing, my data is from 2004 and 2014, the lolicon ban was in 2009

Ok, my mistake

I don't see how that means there was less social stigma around it.

The point is that the laws and institutions that we have today that tackle child abuse didn't exist until recently, because of it becoming a prominent issue, because it was raised by feminists, because feminists were rethinking previous views on sex and gender, influenced by what came before them. That said there was certainly less of a stigma, for example you couldn't have a group like PIE operating as openly today.

See but thats the 1930s, well before lolicon kind of stuff existed so you cant say something in the 30s caused a decrease in late 1900/early 2000

Child sex was illegal long before the 30s, that was simply when psychologists started making the connection to trauma. Then feminists in the 70s campaigned to make it a public issue, and succeeded. And the anti-paedo movement has gone from strength to strength since then.

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Which study about Japan sorry? I agree Japan is different to western nations

The one I linked earlier

More studies, not an experiment like that lol

but those studies could be as you said to another factor

What does it suggest? Your interpretation of that data point or mine? This is what I mean, it's meaningless without context.

it suggests at the very least that lolicon doesnt increase the amount of child abuse

for example you couldn't have a group like PIE operating as openly today.

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but you can, the group isnt technically illegal, just like fascists and communist groups arent illegal just socially wrong

Child sex was illegal long before the 30s, that was simply when psychologists started making the connection to trauma. Then feminists in the 70s campaigned to make it a public issue, and succeeded. And the anti-paedo movement has gone from strength to strength since then.

I don't think a pedo in the 70s would have had an easier time than a pedo now, if anything it's the opposite id say

You shouldn't really believe Japan's crime stats. Outside of the major metros its imperative for leos to downplay certain crimes.

Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. In addition, the study found that the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen since 1989

This is debatable since Japan is highly known for covering up their crimes especially the more violent ones so as to save face. Think of it like Saudi Arabia and many other middle eastern countries that have low rape crimes...it's because victims aren't coming forward because they're crimes will either be ignored, or they'll be the ones facing judgement.

99% conviction rate but crimes are hidden

just so you know the study counted reported crimes and those decreased too not just convictions

I kind of feel like you didn't do a whole lot of research on this comment and you just plastered links that supports your ideology.

Results from the Czech Republic showed that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography

Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. In addition, the study found that the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen since 1989

Results from the Czech Republic showed that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography

Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. In addition, the study found that the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen since 1989

I didn't say this lol

what?

I don't have much more time to waste on you, so I'll keep this fairly short. You're a disgusting human being who loves to call other people pedophiles while enjoying anime porn of little girls, being attracted only to women who remind you of young teenagers, and think it is okay to steal, sniff, and masturbate with a 13-14 year old girls panties. Please seek out a personal therapist, you truly need one. I hope you get the help you need

The dumbest thing about you isn't that you're a pedophile (sorry, ebeepboobedditoophile), it's that you unironically believe it's a man's natural state.

do I? like I get that some men like busty women and fine an hourglass figure attractive, I just don't personally see the appeal, at all, but I get that some like it.

FACT: Loli is a gateway drug to pedophilia.

and violent movies and video games cause people to become more violent, right?

I'm pretty sure you're looking for this

On one hand pedos should have access to their anime cp if it stops them from fucking real kids, on the other pedos should realise that they're scum and it's perfectly ok for a private company to ban whatever child porn game they like.

And on a completely different hand defending a company for going against its promises is nothing but corporate dick sucking. Steam said that they would allow anything that isn't trolling or straight up illegal, which these games aren't.

Meh, I don't really get worked up with steam breaking their "promises" to pedos.

the weird part is that people apparently want to pay for their loli eroge. I just pirate mine like a normal person.

That's actually worse than watching loli

You and stupidity, since you think these are real children.

Ah yes the 'its not real people' excuse.

Works for GTA

I don't get my rocks off to GTA

Sure

Keep yourself safe

if lolis are real children, waifus are real gfs dont @ me

this post is an attack on proud lolicons everywhere, we will not take your abuse much longer

What are you gonna do about it pussy?

This is why we need communism! Loli-lovers would die from Big Stalin's diet of fresh air, bread, and brown water.

Like I said last time in regards to RDR2. It's a video game.

It's NOT REAL. Quit taking this shit seriously and who the fuck cares. Pedophiles not going to be looking at some loli type shit. I mean I agree, weebs are a bunch of non-social virgin losers rhat are huge degenerates and probably will never move out their mommy's house, but let's not act like this going to do anything.

I see a lot of gamers always pointing to the fact that video games don't cause violence, every time some retard blame shit on video games. These people are so quick to defend that notion, yet fail when it's just a very different type of genre. It's fucking fictional. Get over it you losers.

WOah be careful OP if you make fun of the pedos on KiA they will ban you in the name of free speech

Libertarian utopia

This is a outrage

Cartoon child porn drawn for pedophiles by pedophiles is the ultimate battlefield of free speech.

This is why we need firing squads

Weebs and defending child porn. Name a more iconic duo.

Male feminists and rape

Masterlawlz and his dog

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