And what's Spicer going to say, "Oh yeah, it's all legit!" First of all, he's not even one of the 10, and you can tell Trump wouldn't let him in on it. And second of all, if he did say that, it would just make tons of people bombard him with more questions about it, which he really knows nothing about. This is top level Military Intel at the highest level of Classified Clearance.
"Leading the charge is an infamous cohort of homebound men known as “otaku”. A Japanese term for men who are socially awkward and have limited family and romantic lives, these “geeks” tend to be diehard anime and manga fans who have little interest in dating."
"These herbivore men don’t connect with others, they don’t establish their own families or have children and don’t really contribute anything meaningful to society, either tangibly or intangibly"
According to the authour they contribute nothing to society while receiving lots of goods and services due to their (gasp!) privilege, so, are they alpha betas? Are they virgin chads?
This sub is transforming into a colony of unironic incels and NEETs trying to validate their pathetic beliefs and life choices by jerking each other off in a place where they can go undercover.
Incels are unironically better than white knights. White knights and male feminists are laughably pathetic and fucking a used up roastie isnt gonna make you feel better about yourself in the long run.
SCMP shills pretty hard for the mainland line, so I'm not surprised they're putting in something like this. Great way to increase justification for regulating technology like the recent mainland push to limit children's gaming time. It also lets them blame their social problems on Japan.
Also, the middle of the article has an ad link for "beautiful ukranian (totally not traficked) women for chinese men"
However, it is true that being a woman dating in hong kong is pretty miserable. So many rich men there + legalized prostution means they have to work harder than the average roastie to snag a man. If you're a 30 something middle management type, its a great place to find a neurotic chinese wife if you want something a little better than a mail order bride.
We have friends who lived in HK who say the same. They also said that its even better in SE Asia where just being an employed white man makes you a pussy magnet.
On paper, hapas seem like the perfect ally for arr slash drama. The hate for foids and mayos scream eternally from both our lungs. Hapas are just too retarded though.
However, it is true that being a woman dating in hong kong is pretty miserable
Oh no. Let me just call the Thot Defence Force and solve this truly awful situation.
Guys how can you leave the poor, poor gussy in this state? Do women really need to have any discomfort or trouble in their already terrible lives? Would you feel comfortable having to do something for yourself every few decades in a small part of the world? How would you men feel if you had to take care of yourself?
How dare they not want to join the rat race and raise a family in a crowded city in a 1000 sq ft apartment, working super hard so that they hardly see said family. The absolute nerve of these weebs.
I don't know why they think shaming men will help but OK. Whatever keeps you believing women don't have to change and they're perfect little angels is fine.
Bahahhaha. This is totally individualized. First of all. And people don't change, second of all. You should never ever ever get online and preach again. You don't understand reality at all.
People are the exact same they were 1000 years ago, you fucking psycho. People don't change kid. Grow the fuck up and stop whining so much. Your life is your fault. You've been given opportunity most everyone from the past 20,000 years could only dream of. You're a loser and we didn't do it. We tried to help. You did it. You are that
If you're joking that's funny. But if not then LOL you deluded dumbass. Humans have been around for thousands of years. Thousands. You'll die in the next couple decades. Women haven't fucking changed,grow the fuck up.
That’s a pretty lame ass excuse for a death threat asshole. What are you going to do exactly? Force feed me bacon for thirty years in the hopes that I’ll get arterial sclerosis and die? I’m litterally shitting my pants in fear right now. “Oh no, I’m going to be murdered very slowly by increased blood cholesterol”.
Uhhh I'm laughing that you think your life is special because of something in 1970??? Life ain't changed boy. Sorry for your fucking loss.
We been around for thousands of years. Women are 50% of us. They didn't just happen to change a couple years ago. Do you even know how long THOUSANDS of years are?
Speak for yourself buddy. Maybe you’re suffering from gender weirdness, but I’m 100% man. Maybe you should grow another testicle so you’ll have a pair. That way you can man up and make death threats that don’t require slowly deteriorating health.
There are about 105 males births for every female plus if you include sex selective abortions there are slightly more men, as the population ages this should change.
What incentive? What are you guys ? Live action roleplay sociologists? You guys just play pretend in here and cry about women not being like all the women who existed before you were born? This is lunacy level delusion
Look, I do just fine but plenty of guys don't. I honestly suspect we agree on quite a few things. I expect a lot of the men who struggle with women are the types to spend way to much time playing video games and anesthetize themselves with porn, both of which are serious problems. They should all start hitting the gym, get their testosterone checked and develop hobbies that involve in person interaction with the opposite sex. I'm all for encouraging men to develop personal responsibility and a sense of duty but modern society doesn't inculcate/incentivize that sufficiently. I unironically think we need to bring back bullying. Part of the issue is that once you are deep in to that miasma of extended adolescence it becomes self-reinforcing. These men need something to give them a little confidence to get out of the funk - I know I was there once (though not nearly as bad as some). I developed confidence by starting salsa dancing and getting good enough that women were asking me out.
However you have to understand that at the population level if you want these trends to reverse you need to change the underlying conditions/incentives (or just wait and let evolution do its thing - religious people still have lots of sex and pop out babies). Emphasis on short-term hedonism due to erosion of social/religious norms has lowered the opportunity cost to skipping out on dating. Add the fact that there is less social shaming for singledom now and you get people who never grow up.
Women certainly aren't too different from their mothers but a lot of the incentives they face are. Men now have to bring more to the table than just an additional income as male providership has been devalued as women entered the workforce. In addition unmarried women under 30 are out-earning their male counterparts but still usually expect men to pay the way and the men we're talking about aren't sufficiently high-value enough to tell them to go fuck themselves. The economic conditions have made it so that plenty of middle and lower class men are making 30k a year in shitty part-time service sector jobs due to the destruction of the middle class. 60% of college grads are women and most of them refuse to date men without a equivalent or higher degree. In addition a significant fraction of women aged 18-30 have internalized feminist ideas about the toxicity of masculine self-expression even if they don't claim to be feminist themselves.
There is a hypothesis in evolutionary biology that men are more variable, more male geniuses and more male retards. This is part of the reason that throughout history a larger fraction of women reproduced than men - more women hit the minimum threshold to reproduce. The economic liberation of women is shifting the equilibrium so that fewer men meet that minimum cutoff. Men need to adapt or be left behind - find other ways to provide value to women. Ultimately this is a crisis of masculine identity.
Yea that's all well and good except I don't believe this crisis. The world is competitive if all these dudes suck, that's better for me and you. There's TONS of guys who aren't anything like what youre describing and everyone I know is dating and living and buying Christmas presents and not having this crisis. You need to get off the internet. I don't believe you that there's a crisis. Sounds like psycho internet shit.
Not getting me worked up tho. Why do I care if a slightly larger percentage of guys are too whiny and lazy to get chicks? It ain't like girls don't like boys. They love boys. These guys suck. You're not motivating me to give a fuck about that.
Decreased social stability, more incel violence, tanking fertility that lowers economic growth because people that have kids tend to work a lot harder. This will most likely increase your tax burden. Mass immigration to maintain population level which will probably decrease the efficacy of assimilation efforts.
Married men and women tend to be more politically moderate because they have kids to worry about. More single men and women will cause greater political polarization, aforementioned mass immigration will increase said unrest as we've already seen with Trumps election.
Nah we let women vote and it's been shit since. The political landscape changed. Hopefully a genius such as yourself can identify that at least. People's natures may not change but their circumstances do
If you're joking that's funny. But if not then LOL you deluded dumbass. Humans have been around for thousands of years. Thousands. You'll die in the next couple decades. Women haven't fucking changed,grow the fuck up.
That's what I thought as soon as I stumbled n/on your sub and read two posts. Jesus. Are you guys really this incel?
I've never been here is will never come back but this is sad delusion. Girls aren't any different from ever. You ain't gonna live that long buddy. Girls didn't magically change just by chance just during your couple fucking years.
Out of all the people begging me for attention, you are by far the most desperate for it. You make little scrapbooks and follow me around and check up on me every day of your boring life because you have nothing else to look forward to.
I'm sure you're very proud of the life you built for yourself, hahaha. Another exciting internet day spent talking to no one and accomplishing nothing, buit at least your internet drama friends think you're edgy and cool.
I'm sure you'll never regret the amount of time you spent during your exciting years trying to impress dipshits on the internet rather than trying to make friends.
Again all about me nothing about the topic. Are you this slimy in real life? What do people do with you? People aren't stupid. They know when you deflect or change the subject.
How about this, you addlepated fuckwit: your comment is so astoundingly ignorant that even if we presume satirical intention, it's still indicative of an individual whose moral compass is irrevocably broken - and the username to go with it simply hammers the point. You are an irredeemable piece of sub-human detritus.
I genuinely don't know if you're being insightful or doing that thing where you stupid fucks throw words together in a kind of meaningless salad that you think must be deep just because it doesn't make any fucking sense to you, but that is an oddly succinct description of one of my more favorite jokes here. You should see them beg and cry, twisting their words about in the hopes that somehow they'll be able to make a big dumb-dumb like me understand. I might be accused of sucking my own dick from time to time and yeah I mean okay maybe a little, but goddamn do I take pride in the artistry of it all.
Fans of this type of humor may enjoy this particular subthread in a larger project I did a couple of weeks ago. Take it in and let it nourish you - I squeezed that out of my anus weeks ago so now it's all moldy and rancid, but that's just about right for you things, don't you agree? Go ahead, take a bite - doesn't it just feel like where you belong?
The circle of life is such a beautiful thing.
I can give you things such beautiful gifts: drama crafted to my exacting standards. Or I can have healthy discussions on movies that I like where I immediately deescalate anything resembling drama, allowing people of diverse political beliefs to discuss their opinions of a film. That second one is actually more interesting than it sounds, but somehow I think you'd prefer more of the shit I'm giving you here.
I might consider providing for you, but not for free. You sluts will have to earn it. I know the quality of my craftsmanship; I know what I'm holding. I am not cheap but I am so worth it.
I'm not going to let people downplay my emotional outrage simply because it shares a trait similar to that of trolling. It's that emotional intelligence we need to instill in so many boys and men now since their puritanical patriarchal privilege has blinded them for so many generations.
Now, if I were truly unnecessarily hostile OR an asshole maybe I'd bring up my own personal prejudices of that I don't trust any whiteboi who has a cut cock as they're effectively broken homunculi void of trust and emotion yet still hypersensitive to any social interaction. You know, Sheldons. See THAT'S unnecessary hostility.
I am totally an asshole tho but I've got baby wipes unlike the rest of the crusty brownstars like yourself.
Fresh off the boat, from facebook, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on reddit by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking facebook friends would like. None of that here. You don't like. You don't send emojis. This ain't facebook, kid. This is reddit. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it.
It should be noted that I've upvoted every single person who's disagreed with me here, as far as I know. That said.
In 7th grade, I took an SAT test without preparing for it at all, it was spur-of-the-moment, I knew about it about an hour ahead of time and didn't do any research or anything. I scored higher on it than the average person using it to apply for college in my area. An IQ test has shown me to be in the 99.9th percentile for IQ. This is the highest result the test I was given reaches; anything further and they'd consider it to be within the margin of error for that test.
My mother's boyfriend of 8 years is an aerospace engineer who graduated Virginia Tech. At the age of 15, I understand physics better than him, and I owe very little of it to him, as he would rarely give me a decent explanation of anything, just tell me that my ideas were wrong and become aggravated with me for not quite understanding thermodynamics. He's not particularly successful as an engineer, but I've met lots of other engineers who aren't as good as me at physics, so I'm guessing that's not just a result of him being bad at it. I'm also pretty good at engineering. I don't have a degree, and other than physics I don't have a better understanding of any aspect of engineering than any actual engineer, but I have lots of ingenuity for inventing new things. For example, I independently invented regenerative brakes before finding out what they were, and I was only seven or eight years old when I started inventing wireless electricity solutions (my first idea being to use a powerful infrared laser to transmit energy; admittedly not the best plan).
I have independently thought of basically every branch of philosophy I've come across. Every question of existentialism which I've seen discussed in SMBC or xkcd or Reddit or anywhere else, the thoughts haven't been new to me. Philosophy has pretty much gotten trivial for me; I've considered taking a philosophy course just to see how easy it is. Psychology, I actually understand better than people with degrees. Unlike engineering, there's no aspect of psychology which I don't have a very good understanding of. I can debunk many of even Sigmund Freud's theories.
I'm a good enough writer that I'm writing a book and so far everybody who's read any of it has said it was really good and plausible to expect to have published. And that's not just, like, me and family members, that counts strangers on the Internet. I've heard zero negative appraisal of it so far; people have critiqued it, but not insulted it.
I don't know if that will suffice as evidence that I'm intelligent. I'm done with it, though, because I'd rather defend my maturity, since it's what you've spent the most time attacking. The following are some examples of my morals and ethical code.
I believe firmly that everybody deserves a future. If we were to capture Hitler at the end of WWII, I would be against executing him. In fact, if we had any way of rehabilitating him and knowing that he wasn't just faking it, I'd even support the concept of letting him go free. This is essentially because I think that whoever you are in the present is a separate entity from who you were in the past and who you are in the future, and while your present self should take responsibility for your past self's actions, it shouldn't be punished for them simply for the sake of punishment, especially if the present self regrets the actions of the past self and feels genuine guilt about them.
I don't believe in judgement of people based on their personal choices as long as those personal choices aren't harming others. I don't have any issue with any type of sexuality whatsoever (short of physically acting out necrophilia, pedophilia, or other acts which have a harmful affect on others - but I don't care what a person's fantasies consist of, as long as they recognize the difference between reality and fiction and can separate them). I don't have any issue with anybody over what type of music they listen to, or clothes they wear, etc. I know that's not really an impressive moral, but it's unfortunately rare; a great many people, especially those my age, are judgmental about these things. I love everyone, even people I hate. I wish my worst enemies good fortune and happiness. Rick Perry is a vile, piece of shit human being, deserving of zero respect, but I wish for him to change for the better and live the best life possible. I wish this for everyone.
I'm pretty much a pacifist. I've taken a broken nose without fighting back or seeking retribution, because the guy stopped punching after that. The only time I'll fight back is if 1) the person attacking me shows no signs of stopping and 2) if I don't attack, I'll come out worse than the other person will if I do. In other words, if fighting someone is going to end up being more harmful to them than just letting them go will be to me, I don't fight back. I've therefore never had a reason to fight back against anyone in anything serious, because my ability to take pain has so far made it so that I'm never in a situation where I'll be worse off after a fight. If I'm not going to get any hospitalizing injuries, I really don't care.
The only exception is if someone is going after my life. Even then, I'll do the minimum amount of harm to them that I possibly can in protecting myself. If someone points a gun at me and I can get out of it without harming them, I'd prefer to do that over killing them. I consider myself a feminist. I don't believe in enforced or uniform gender roles; they may happen naturally, but they should never be coerced into happening unnaturally. As in, the societal pressure for gender roles should really go, even if it'll turn out that the majority of relationships continue operating the same way of their own accord. I treat women with the same outlook I treat men, and never participate in the old Reddit "women are crazy" circlejerk, because there are multiple women out there and each have different personalities just like there are multiple men out there and each with different personalities. I don't think you do much of anything except scare off the awesome women out there by going on and on about the ones who aren't awesome.
That doesn't mean I look for places to victimize women, I just don't believe it's fair to make generalizations such as the one about women acting like everything's OK when it's really not (and that's a particularly harsh example, because all humans do that). I'm kind of tired of citing these examples and I'm guessing you're getting tired of reading them, if you've even made it this far. In closing, the people who know me in real life all respect me, as do a great many people in the Reddit brony community, where I spend most of my time and where I'm pretty known for being helpful around the community. A lot of people in my segment of the community are depressed or going through hard times, and I spend a lot of time giving advice and support to people there. Yesterday someone quoted a case of me doing this in a post asking everyone what their favorite motivational/inspirational quote was, and that comment was second to the top, so I guess other people agreed (though, granted, it was a pretty low-traffic post, only about a dozen competing comments). And, uh, I'm a pretty good moderator.
All that, and I think your behavior in this thread was totally assholish. So what do you think, now that you at least slightly know me?
Yea education is different. What's your point? People haven't fundamentally changed. Especially just one sex for some reason. Are you guys looking for excuses for your failures? You want to blame all of women for changing???
This is the stupidest thing I've read in quite a while, maybe ever. It's so monumentally retarded that I only believe it could possibly be sincere because not even a self-denigrating troll would create such a shamefully idiotic comment. You have somehow missed every wisp of a point so broadly that it is too painful to even be funny. I wanted to laugh at what you wrote, but it is SO sententious and grotesque that whatever truth contained in the sentence has been tainted by your entire and absolute stupidity. Brain damage would not be a sufficient defence to exonerate you from the crime of condemning an innocent reader to the asinine oblivion you've somehow immortalised on this web page. There is no clear course of action you should follow, because creating a contingency plan for something this suicide-encouragingly obtuse has historically never been necessary. You are the pioneer of unprecedented spastic rambling at a level never before encountered by mortal beings. My day has been entirely ruined, and my faith in humanity shattered.
People haven't changed buddy. Nice rant but it's true. They have not changed all of a sudden, just happened to just during your lifetime. You ain't special.
I would say technology hasn't been good for women either, probably worse for guys though.
I am serious about the low-T thing though, low-T decreases libido, increases likelihood of erectile dysfunction and makes men less sexually aggressive. It would be weirder if male testosterone levels and sexual aggression weren't trending down together.
We're running a massive chemistry experiment right now that a couple decades from now I suspect we'll lament pretty badly.
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway.
Lol nice. But yea girls have been around for 200,000 they didn't suddenly change right when you hit dating age LMAO. I mean cmon man, you can't believe that crap right?
The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of your of what you wrote, because, well ... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things to be difficult. If I had known that this was true in your case then I would have never have exposed myself to what you wrote. It just wouldn't have been "right." Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.
Lol nice. But yea girls have been around for 200,000 they didn't suddenly change right when you hit dating age LMAO. I mean cmon man, you can't believe that crap right?
For example from your post history. Talking about how women should be asking guys out. Don't try to explain how women should be acting. That's not normal. You want to ask a girl out then ask her. Why's that some kinda social media debate topic for you? That's weird.
Sure it's normal. If they don't that is normal too. If you are waiting around for a girl to ask you out, I got some bad news tho. Might be a loooooong time.
If you are waiting around for a girl to ask you out, I got some bad news tho.
I don't. I have had this work differently at different times, different places, among different sets at various times in my life. It's a bit offputting when someone you don't like that way approaches you in a setting like e.g. work and makes an unambiguous advance.
You think thhe right to vote changed how women act ??? Lmao! They love their kids and families and think dudes who play video games are fucking losers. That never has and never will change. You are making excuses for yourself bud. They don't all suck. You do
That's what they all say, and then their lives change forever. Some go insane, some become homeless, but some gain true enlightenment after achieving bussy nirvana.
A lot of guys and girls are getting shittier. Tons of people think they're an extra special victim who should just get everything handed to them on a silver platter, a bunch of people in the Atlantic article, the people crying about women in this sub, etc. Maybe it's the millennials fault for being pussies, maybe it's the boomers fault for being terrible parents, whatever it isit's pathetic
Really? Did you check my post history? Because I'm actually pretty fucking clever. You fucking losers aren't the first people to ever whine about girls.
I am here to tell you, they are just like you, they love fucking and they love boys. You just suck. This isn't something existential mind benders tongue twister murder mystery. You currently suck. That is all. Girls haven't changed one bit. Not an ounce.
I agree with the other guy. You are probably the dumbest person in this subreddit today. You're providing new snapshill quotes though so we will keep you around a bit longer.
Blah blah just talking about me. That's boring. Let's talk about girls. Cmon . You were ready to. I bet you they are the exact fucking same as 1000 years ago. And I gaurantee they want to fuck boys. Okay now you go.
I don't know why you responded to this and I don't know your angle . But I do know I have never ever needed or wanted to type the female orgasm into whatever I was trying to say and I am thankful for that. I hope you start acting like a real man someday.
Japan is just ahead of the curve. The Atlantic had am article on dwindling sex im the west this week. Whoever makes actual real waifus first is gonna be a billionaire.
Jeff Bezos is already the richest man on the planet, Alexa isn't at that level yet but you just know in like five years some deeply sad, pathetic people will be "dating" Alexa. Someone did a movie about that four years ago that I think won an Oscar, it was called Her.
Yes, once blackpill goes mainstream, this is what it will be like in America as well. Around 80% of the male population LDARing because it’s pointless to put any effort into your life when you know no woman will ever want you.
MGTOW was a pretty interesting movement for men that got screwed over by their parterns until it morphed into a foid-hating one, like feminism but in the opposite end of the spectrum. Guess horseshoe theory always wins in the end.
i imagine actual MGTOW don't bother with social media so you never hear from them. the ones who do tend to just be whining about their lack of sex rather than actually doing their own thing
MGTOW started out on YouTube. Basically they were guys who looked at the state of moid/foid relationships circa 2014 and the general state of foids (especially the abundance of single mothers) and said fuck it. They did spend a lot of time bitching about foids though, but not complaining about their sex lives. Many of them would still hook up upon occasions.
You guys are talking about girls you don't even know. I know girls they aren't anything like what you're saying at all. Im sure given 7 billion people you can find women like that and get sweated up. But women in general aren't like that at all. And I would say dudes are bigger pieces of shit. Look at you guys having a cry online. Not attractive. I wouldn't want to fuck you either.
The lone wolf archetype is like Clint Eastwood’s character in a Western, keeping to himself but doing cool shit and having people want to ally with him but never taking up their offer for some reason. These people don't do cool shit
Only thing remotely misleading about what I said was the up to 70% who identify as Herbivore Men are in Japan not Hong Kong, the article was saying it's trendng that way in HK.
That would only work in a culture that doesn't have extremely strict gender norms. In Japan at least, one of the major reasons why women aren't getting married is precisely because they'd be expected to quit their jobs and settle down as a homemaker who spends all her time doing boring ass chores while her husband works crazy hours and they barely get to see each other. The reason why this phenomenon is happening is because the culture is fucked; East Asian corporate culture and industrialization are incompatible with their strict gender norms, and it makes life worse for everyone.
Snally he's saying that marriage doesn't change the having kids factor too much. The women have to work terrible Jap hours and motherhood puts their professional lives in jeopardy.
Yeah, but he also said that women are getting married, which is increasingly becoming untrue. The trend in declining marriage rates for women is similar to the one for men, just not as stark.
It's still inconvenient for married Japanese couples to raise kids right now. Having better marriage material won't change that for either men or women.
You should read the article and not ops altered title
and as i said women are getting married but not having kids, the solution is to offer money for couples who have kids to make up for the money they would lose by taking time off work, which in the few prefectures/wards (states = prefecture, city = ward) its been tried in it works
You should read the article and not ops altered title
I did
and as i said women are getting married but not having kids
As of 2010 marriage rates have been lowering among women in Japan, and the trend suggests that the rate will continue to lower. The rate may be higher among men, but more and more women are electing to stay unmarried as well.
As of 2010 marriage rates have been lowering among women in Japan,
i never said otherwise, the women who get married arent having kids either
which shows its a financial problem, which is backed by the fact that the few prefectures and wards that have given money to couples have kids have had their birth rates go up
I just want to say thanks because I love women and the population is like 50/50 so the more of you guys who drop out and pretend like the world is mean or whatever the better it is for me. I become more and more of an asset. Who wants to add on a whiny bitch in life? Noone.
You guys are doing me a favour and I should thank you. But your such evil hateful little shits I would never.
What I love about these complaints of women "feeling left out" is that it never occurs to them that women can start picking up the slack by approaching men to initiate dates/relationships.
How can they approach men who spend all their times indoors and/or plugged in? Not to mention that the entire culture has to change for this to become an acceptable way to start dating. It's not necessarily that women don't want to take the initiative so much as it may be that they'll be thought of as masculine/aggressive/crazy and rejected if they do. East Asian countries have rigid gender roles, which is one of the major reasons that they're having trouble with so many younger people dropping out of society and/or refusing to settle down.
I'd reckon that it's pretty smart to not get hitched to somebody who lives off of their parents' money and passes their time playing MOBAs and jacking off to r34 hentai.
A lot of incels think, "Why does Stacy want to fuck Chad but not me?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" then go back to fapping to a girl with huge tits and ass, and never even think about the fat boring girls they see every day.
The red pill is never right; it's just more actionable than "Just Be Yourself" and "I'm sure you'll find someone sometime. I wish I had a boyfriend just like you."
It's not necessarily that women don't want to take the initiative so much as it may be that they'll be thought of as masculine/aggressive/crazy and rejected if they do.
Fear of rejection is something that men are expected to simply overcome to make a relationship 'happen'. And as a dude, I'll be frank. The way you overcome this fear is to psyche yourself up by emulating behaviors and adopting affectations that are currently being rebranded as "toxic masculinity". The populations of Asian males that are experiencing the phenomena described in the article are, through no coincidence imo, the ones that exhibit the least amount of "toxic masculinity."
That's not what toxic masculinity means. Being strong, independent and confident is masculine not toxic. Being crippled because you believe yourself a failure because any man who can't regularly sleep with women is toxic masculinity.
That's not what a definition means. A definition is institutional power + what words mean. A woman has no institutional power, and thus cannot define words.
Tragedy is when I have a hangnail. Comedy is when you step onto a misplaced manhole cover, fall into the sewer and break your neck, then die drowning in filth.
There is, it's just abused by people who don't know the actual definitions. Much like "patriarchy" I've complained about them being poorly named before but they're well defined and very reasonable in context. Instead of calling the the term bad call out the idiots misusing the term.
Eh, no. For there to be an “actual definition”, there would have to be an “actual feminist body” authorized to make these definitions. There is no such body. In fact, feminists don’t even agree on what the terms “feminism”, “woman”, or “men” means. Hell, they can’t even agree if men can be feminists. These terms mean whatever they want them to mean, whenever they want them to mean it.
Ok and that's fine. I would like to offer you a counterexample in the form of the English language and, indeed, lengua Española.
No body is authorized to state what is in or out of the English language, though there are several pretenders. Nevertheless, words (at least) indicate something, and we use language well enough to get things done.
Now think at Spain's Royal Institute whatever that authoritatively does state what is/is not Spanish. Nevertheless, examples multiply of useful, used words in that language that escape the deliberations of that august body.
I contend that authority inheres in who would use words, together, established by consensus, rather than requiring the Grand Mother to hallow a definition for use.
I contend that authority inheres in who would use words, together, established by consensus
Exactly. And the general consensus is that the term “toxic masculinity” means virtually anything that men allegedly do that a feminist can point to and find fault with.
It's only a motte and Bailey if I actually ever proclaim anything else, which I don't. You can't just call all definitions you dont understand motte and baileys regardless of how well reasoned Scott's article is in context,
You can't just call all definitions you dont understand motte and baileys regardless
I can and you can't stop me. I can do it twice on Sundays if I like. Like eating all the ice cream at 0300 hours, or having more coffee than I need in the morning, I am free.
However, in this case my point was that you and the other gentleman may be arguing at cross purposes, generating more heat than light, etc.
To the point at hand, "It's only a motte and Bailey if I actually ever proclaim anything else..." is strictly wrong afaiu Scott's presentation. His point is that the discussion as a whole depends on sides, not individual presenters iirc.
The "uncontroversially correct meaning" in this discussion is your definition of toxic masculinity. Of course someone who is mentally stacking bodies, carving notches on his belt or bedpost, comparing himself to others, etc. to substitute for being a person with integrity, a whole human being, has missed the boat a bit in intimacy.
That's a pretty clear case of delusion in a person degrading himself and others, and the good news is that it should usually be correctable by e.g. invoking the golden rule or Kant's categorical imperative if the person is amenable to reason or correction at all.
You do seem unwilling to grant that the phrase "toxic masculinity" is often, even commonly, weaponized in the exaggerated form Anarcho_Autism presented. I think this is unreasonable, if one looks at for example the first ten or so results from searching.
We can discuss this further, but are you willing to grant that your definition is simply not the only one well meaning (and bad faith) presenters of the pro toxic masculinity side use?
You can't just call all definitions you dont understand motte and baileys regardless
I can and you can't stop me. I can do it twice on Sundays if I like. Like eating all the ice cream at 0300 hours, or having more coffee than I need in the morning, I am free.
However, in this case my point was that you and the other gentleman may be arguing at cross purposes, generating more heat than light, etc.
To the point at hand, "It's only a motte and Bailey if I actually ever proclaim anything else..." is strictly wrong afaiu Scott's presentation. His point hinges on the idea that the discussion as a whole depends on sides, not individual presenters iirc.
The "uncontroversially correct meaning" in this discussion is your definition of toxic masculinity. Of course someone who is mentally stacking bodies, carving notches on his belt or bedpost, comparing himself to others, etc. to substitute for being a person with integrity, a whole human being, has missed the boat a bit in intimacy.
If We're going to go with all Scott's canon of fallacy then this is a weak man fallacy. Of course there are people that are wrong and I'm doing my duty here to call out these wrong people when I see them, but that doesn't invalidate my point any more than the soviets militarizing atheism has any baring on whether I can justify not going to church on a disbelief of God.
You do seem unwilling to grant that the phrase "toxic masculinity" is often, even commonly, weaponized in the exaggerated form Anarcho_Autism presented. I think this is unreasonable, if one looks at for example the first ten or so results from searching.
Please point out where I refuse to recognize this? My point is that the actual definition agreed upon by academics is being missused by culture warriors, but that doesn't invalidate the term any more than young earth creationists misunderstanding some random geology study Invalidates certain geological terms.
We can discuss this further, but are you willing to grant that your definition is simply not the only one well meaning (and bad faith) presenters of the pro toxic masculinity side use?
"Pro toxic masculinity" isn't a label I would willing don. I don't even call myself a feminist. I take the ideas one by one and toxic masculinity is a useful idea that I'd like to defend from misunderstandings. There are of course people who hate men and are chomping at the bit to use anything given to them to attack men, you can find them trivially as you've shown. But there are also white supremacists that will use anything they can to try and "prove" black people are inferior to white people. In the same way I'm unwilling to give up the concepts of that white supremacists abuse to justify their hate I am unwilling to give up the tools these misogamist use to justify their hate.
That's not what toxic masculinity means. Being strong, independent and confident is masculine not toxic. Being crippled because you believe yourself a failure because any man who can't regularly sleep with women is toxic masculinity.
This was in response to:
The way you overcome this fear [of rejection] is to psyche yourself up by emulating behaviors and adopting affectations that are currently being rebranded as "toxic masculinity".
[T]he actual definition agreed upon by academics
means nothing without sources. Consensus is a matter of agreement over time. Next.
"Pro toxic masculinity" isn't a label I would willing don.
Granted. "Pro the use of the term toxic masculinity", while clearer, seem verbose in what is already a prolonged exchange by the standards of this sub.
But there are also white supremacists
is irrelevant, the bad faith folks who are "Pro the use of the term toxic masculinity" are relevant rhetorically because they make using the term seem like something someone who argues in bad faith would do. I think it is at least tendentious and that all would do well to abandon it.
To your last sentence, you may wish to consider giving up on "toxic masculinity" since it is easily misunderstood as tarring all men with an unfair brush; it is used often by people who are intellectually dishonest, witting or no; and we already have terms that relate to people who cheapen their own and others lives with sex.
I am sure you are able to find your own, but for the sake of the children watching from home some vocabulary:
Promiscuous. Slut. Loser. Rake (antiquarian, I know). Degraded. Decadent.
A noble man does not abuse others without regard to their own well being. He does not darken his eyes bringing such thoughts into view in his secret heart.
Failure to acknowledge a side show that has rarely ever actually said anything substantial at all is not the same as refusing to acknowledge them. People at software development conventions don't start their talks on agile methodology with a disclaimer that they aren't relate to anarcho-primitivists. You cant take not mentioning them as tacit support of them.
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[T]he actual definition agreed upon by academics
means nothing without sources. Consensus is a matter of agreement over time. Next.
is irrelevant, the bad faith folks who are "Pro the use of the term toxic masculinity" are relevant rhetorically because they make using the term seem like something someone who argues in bad faith would do. I think the phrase it is at least tendentious and that all would do well to abandon it.
To your last sentence, you may wish to consider giving up on "toxic masculinity" since it is easily misunderstood as tarring all men with an unfair brush; it is used often by people who are intellectually dishonest, witting or no; and we already have terms that relate to people who cheapen their own and others lives with *bad sex.
I am sure you are able to find your own, but for the sake of the children watching from home some vocabulary:
Promiscuous. Slut. Loser. Rake (antiquarian, I know). Degraded. Decadent.
A noble man does not abuse others without regard to their own well being. He does not darken his eyes bringing such thoughts into view in his secret heart.
Then we end up on another one of Scott's recurring problems, the euphemistic treadmill.
My point is that the actual definition agreed upon by academics
Haha u should totally find this agreed upon academic definition and report back. I'm sure it will have plenty of reasonable parameters and constraints that make using the term for virtually anything very difficult.
The actually concept is pretty uncontroversial, I'm not sure why there is so much pushback here, have we been brigaded by braincels or something? It's trivially obvious that
there is some socially prescribed gendered role for men.
Those gender roles are sometimes self deatructive, or as a weaker but more trivially defended case not in society's best interest
This happens frequently enough that it makes sense to coin a term for when it does happen.
And voilà there you have it. Toxic, as in harmful, masculinity as in the gender role is applies to. I'm not a particular fan of the name that was chosen but it too late to change it.
You don't really need an appeal to the authority of gender study, this is just basic definitions. This is the definition people willing to talk in good faith are using and if they aren't using it feel free to call them out for being a shithead.
Mine is simple: gender studies is unresearched bullshit. Anything that uses a political agenda to cheat peer review can go straight in the trash, thanks.
One of the actual problems of the first world, unlike the wage gap between movie stars, or the draft.
I don't think you've read my previous comment because you seem to think I bothered trying to defend gender studies instead of just defining terms from basic and easily defend axioms
What? Are you projecting now or what? 2 weeks ago there wasn't all these feminists on r/drama. It's not enough you've infested every part of reddit now you come for r/drama too?
I've very likely been here longer than you. This sub is not a safe space for ideologues, if you aren't capable of disagreeing with two different groups of morons at the same time you will likely not fit in here.
I feel there may be a motte and bailey distinction you and the other poster are arguing here. The motte is your thesis; the bailey "Being crippled because you believe yourself a failure because any man who can't regularly sleep with women is toxic masculinity" of the reply above.
If I am right, you are just arguing at cross purposes. I don't have any prescription here, just my thought. I wonder if it informs your discussion.
The ad hominem fallacy you employed does you no credit and weakens your argument, rhetorically if not logically. Hold your head up; rise above what is less in you and be more.
Would you agree that the claim you refer to is part of a greater discussion? One that we may as well refer to as a kind of dialogue, an extended discourse, even, dare I say an argument?
As to whether or not you may have employed fallacious reasoning, I leave to the judgment of who would read it.
I rarely expand beyond the direct linear comment chain and didn't notice these stemed from the same source. The other commenter isn't conversing in good faith and did nothing to frame this as a debate. I corrected their definition and their reply ignored it and posed a hyperbolic definition. I don't consider random piffy comments that don't at all engage with what I've said on /r/drama of all places to be anything I have to take particularly seriously.
I've definitely seen it characterized as "male entitlement" when a guy simply approaches a woman with confidence. And in my experience, there is some truth to this that is not inconsistent with my original statement. To approach a woman and start a conversation with the hope that the conversation will evolve into a potential date/hook-up, a dude has to convince himself "I'm interesting enough that this woman will want to talk to me" and then insinuate himself into the daily interactions of a complete stranger on that basis alone.
How can they approach men who spend all their times indoors and/or plugged in?
Find a way. Or else they shouldn't complain about being left out.
It's not necessarily that women don't want to take the initiative so much as it may be that they'll be thought of as masculine/aggressive/crazy and rejected if they do.
This is unironic bullshit, your gender has no qualms approaching people you find attractive. Women on average do handle rejection worse than men.
Not to mention that the entire culture has to change for this to become an acceptable way to start dating.
I just want to point out that the entire culture has changed to make being an otaku acceptable and that the entire point of complaining about is to make it change back or something. So it's more about who is expected to do the work I guess.
I understand your reasoning, but one of the contributing factor for the dating issues in Asia is men are now not only expected to become successful in a place where housing market is crazy with little good paying jobs because their parent's generation is still working, but also the rising expectation of women in those areas because women have caught up on the earning scale.
Thing is, with increased income, they failed to adjust their expectation that not all men can earn as much as them. Such expectation is like you said, largely planted by the society. That doesn't excuse their refusal in adapting to the new reality like men are now doing (albeit in a wrong way).
Your reasoning is just like incel's reasoning in not getting laid, ironically.
Western gussy - say they don't need men & earn their own income Tendie huffers - REEEEEEEEEEEE females will regret!!! Will be old and lonely!! Liberalism is RUINING women.
Asian bussy - say they don't need a woman, yet bask in unemployment Tendie huffers - omg yas qween, you brave ~lone wolf~ warrior refusing to conform to the rat race. You smash society's expectations of traditional family values 🙌 🙌
Figures Asians would copy mgtow from the west too, do they have any original ideas? I'm starting to think the culture wars are us just pretending to go full retard so they copy us and kill their society.
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1 Honk4Tits 2018-11-18
Relevant quotes:
"Leading the charge is an infamous cohort of homebound men known as “otaku”. A Japanese term for men who are socially awkward and have limited family and romantic lives, these “geeks” tend to be diehard anime and manga fans who have little interest in dating."
"These herbivore men don’t connect with others, they don’t establish their own families or have children and don’t really contribute anything meaningful to society, either tangibly or intangibly"
Lol
1 Vurtizontal 2018-11-18
More proof Otakus are in fact the wokest demographic. They have shed themselves of gussy and found real metaphysical love with their waifus.
1 HeroicIncelDesi 2018-11-18
Lumimous beings are we...not this crude matter.
1 MPHJ-7 2018-11-18
They have grown beyond the need for a physical form.
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
According to the authour they contribute nothing to society while receiving lots of goods and services due to their (gasp!) privilege, so, are they alpha betas? Are they virgin chads?
1 Vurtizontal 2018-11-18
They have transcended such paradigms.
1 CadicalRentrist 2018-11-18
Sounds like they’ve become women.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-11-18
And of course people in this sub are triggered by the article insulting them
1 snallygaster 2018-11-18
This sub is transforming into a colony of unironic incels and NEETs trying to validate their pathetic beliefs and life choices by jerking each other off in a place where they can go undercover.
1 gumble212 2018-11-18
better than being a middle-aged woman tbh
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-11-18
Shocking, absolutely shocking I tell you.
1 ReddneckwithaD 2018-11-18
Dont be mean dude, its not her fault she lost the natal coinflip :^)
1 911roofer 2018-11-18
I'm trying to shame everyone, but I can only do so much. People unironically defended THE FUCKING CANADIANS!!! I'm not Superman,
1 Aivias 2018-11-18
Incels are unironically better than white knights. White knights and male feminists are laughably pathetic and fucking a used up roastie isnt gonna make you feel better about yourself in the long run.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-11-18
We need incelcide
1 Inceltiers 2018-11-18
Vs
The lads having a bit of banter about femcels
1 definibusmalorum 2018-11-18
Well, aren’t you a mod? Why don’t you do something about it?
1 Alicesnakebae 2018-11-18
Lol
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2018-11-18
Furries are the last ones that can criticize circlejerks and unwarranted self validation.
1 SuperObviousShill 2018-11-18
SCMP shills pretty hard for the mainland line, so I'm not surprised they're putting in something like this. Great way to increase justification for regulating technology like the recent mainland push to limit children's gaming time. It also lets them blame their social problems on Japan.
Also, the middle of the article has an ad link for "beautiful ukranian (totally not traficked) women for chinese men"
However, it is true that being a woman dating in hong kong is pretty miserable. So many rich men there + legalized prostution means they have to work harder than the average roastie to snag a man. If you're a 30 something middle management type, its a great place to find a neurotic chinese wife if you want something a little better than a mail order bride.
1 Chicup 2018-11-18
We have friends who lived in HK who say the same. They also said that its even better in SE Asia where just being an employed white man makes you a pussy magnet.
1 OniTan 2018-11-18
Something something /r/hapas something something /r/Asianmasculinity.
1 1alian 2018-11-18
wtf is that last sub? Braincels that are asian?
1 OniTan 2018-11-18
Seems sort of like a race based version of /r/theredpill.
1 Trannypostingaccount 2018-11-18
On paper, hapas seem like the perfect ally for arr slash drama. The hate for foids and mayos scream eternally from both our lungs. Hapas are just too retarded though.
1 Aivias 2018-11-18
Oh no. Let me just call the Thot Defence Force and solve this truly awful situation.
Guys how can you leave the poor, poor gussy in this state? Do women really need to have any discomfort or trouble in their already terrible lives? Would you feel comfortable having to do something for yourself every few decades in a small part of the world? How would you men feel if you had to take care of yourself?
1 911roofer 2018-11-18
Incels deserve to be bullied.
1 OniTan 2018-11-18
So, Asian Redditors.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
I wonder why these men don't want to be around a bunch of nattering solipsists like the author?
1 bareballzthebitch 2018-11-18
How dare they not want to join the rat race and raise a family in a crowded city in a 1000 sq ft apartment, working super hard so that they hardly see said family. The absolute nerve of these weebs.
1 bonerdude420 2018-11-18
1000 sqft. HK. Pick one
1 PowerImbalanceIsHot 2018-11-18
jeebs?
1 nybbas 2018-11-18
roflmao 1000 sq ft??? Jesus, how rich are these weebs??
1 sweetyellowknees 2018-11-18
1000 square feet is pretty large dude.
1 Burnnoticelover 2018-11-18
Women are the primary victims of veganism
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
Very deep.
1 -6x- 2018-11-18
Women are the primary victims of LITERALLY EVERYTHING.
1 mydramaaccount 2018-11-18
I don't know why they think shaming men will help but OK. Whatever keeps you believing women don't have to change and they're perfect little angels is fine.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Bahahhaha. This is totally individualized. First of all. And people don't change, second of all. You should never ever ever get online and preach again. You don't understand reality at all.
People are the exact same they were 1000 years ago, you fucking psycho. People don't change kid. Grow the fuck up and stop whining so much. Your life is your fault. You've been given opportunity most everyone from the past 20,000 years could only dream of. You're a loser and we didn't do it. We tried to help. You did it. You are that
1 ihopeitsnormal 2018-11-18
New snappy quote?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I don't know what your point is but women are exactly the same as uhhh any time. Nothing changed. Sorry for your lost excuses.
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
There’s one big difference. Around 1970, men started giving a shit about what women wanted. That’s when it all started going downhill.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
If you're joking that's funny. But if not then LOL you deluded dumbass. Humans have been around for thousands of years. Thousands. You'll die in the next couple decades. Women haven't fucking changed,grow the fuck up.
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
That’s a pretty lame ass excuse for a death threat asshole. What are you going to do exactly? Force feed me bacon for thirty years in the hopes that I’ll get arterial sclerosis and die? I’m litterally shitting my pants in fear right now. “Oh no, I’m going to be murdered very slowly by increased blood cholesterol”.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Uhhh I'm laughing that you think your life is special because of something in 1970??? Life ain't changed boy. Sorry for your fucking loss.
We been around for thousands of years. Women are 50% of us. They didn't just happen to change a couple years ago. Do you even know how long THOUSANDS of years are?
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
Speak for yourself buddy. Maybe you’re suffering from gender weirdness, but I’m 100% man. Maybe you should grow another testicle so you’ll have a pair. That way you can man up and make death threats that don’t require slowly deteriorating health.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Zero response to anything I said. Do people always let you avoid like this? That is terrible
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
Bussy...Lmfao.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I have no idea what that means and you argued about 50% of the earth being women. I gaurantee there are 50% women. Probably more.
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
Yes, I know r/menslib exists. I’d say most of those guys are at least 50% women.
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
There are about 105 males births for every female plus if you include sex selective abortions there are slightly more men, as the population ages this should change.
51% of the population is male.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Cool. And women aren't any different than 50 years ago. Or 1000.
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
Incentives matter
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
What incentive? What are you guys ? Live action roleplay sociologists? You guys just play pretend in here and cry about women not being like all the women who existed before you were born? This is lunacy level delusion
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
Look, I do just fine but plenty of guys don't. I honestly suspect we agree on quite a few things. I expect a lot of the men who struggle with women are the types to spend way to much time playing video games and anesthetize themselves with porn, both of which are serious problems. They should all start hitting the gym, get their testosterone checked and develop hobbies that involve in person interaction with the opposite sex. I'm all for encouraging men to develop personal responsibility and a sense of duty but modern society doesn't inculcate/incentivize that sufficiently. I unironically think we need to bring back bullying. Part of the issue is that once you are deep in to that miasma of extended adolescence it becomes self-reinforcing. These men need something to give them a little confidence to get out of the funk - I know I was there once (though not nearly as bad as some). I developed confidence by starting salsa dancing and getting good enough that women were asking me out.
However you have to understand that at the population level if you want these trends to reverse you need to change the underlying conditions/incentives (or just wait and let evolution do its thing - religious people still have lots of sex and pop out babies). Emphasis on short-term hedonism due to erosion of social/religious norms has lowered the opportunity cost to skipping out on dating. Add the fact that there is less social shaming for singledom now and you get people who never grow up.
Women certainly aren't too different from their mothers but a lot of the incentives they face are. Men now have to bring more to the table than just an additional income as male providership has been devalued as women entered the workforce. In addition unmarried women under 30 are out-earning their male counterparts but still usually expect men to pay the way and the men we're talking about aren't sufficiently high-value enough to tell them to go fuck themselves. The economic conditions have made it so that plenty of middle and lower class men are making 30k a year in shitty part-time service sector jobs due to the destruction of the middle class. 60% of college grads are women and most of them refuse to date men without a equivalent or higher degree. In addition a significant fraction of women aged 18-30 have internalized feminist ideas about the toxicity of masculine self-expression even if they don't claim to be feminist themselves.
There is a hypothesis in evolutionary biology that men are more variable, more male geniuses and more male retards. This is part of the reason that throughout history a larger fraction of women reproduced than men - more women hit the minimum threshold to reproduce. The economic liberation of women is shifting the equilibrium so that fewer men meet that minimum cutoff. Men need to adapt or be left behind - find other ways to provide value to women. Ultimately this is a crisis of masculine identity.
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1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Yea that's all well and good except I don't believe this crisis. The world is competitive if all these dudes suck, that's better for me and you. There's TONS of guys who aren't anything like what youre describing and everyone I know is dating and living and buying Christmas presents and not having this crisis. You need to get off the internet. I don't believe you that there's a crisis. Sounds like psycho internet shit.
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
I don't think it is at crisis levels yet, give it 10 years.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Not getting me worked up tho. Why do I care if a slightly larger percentage of guys are too whiny and lazy to get chicks? It ain't like girls don't like boys. They love boys. These guys suck. You're not motivating me to give a fuck about that.
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
Decreased social stability, more incel violence, tanking fertility that lowers economic growth because people that have kids tend to work a lot harder. This will most likely increase your tax burden. Mass immigration to maintain population level which will probably decrease the efficacy of assimilation efforts.
Married men and women tend to be more politically moderate because they have kids to worry about. More single men and women will cause greater political polarization, aforementioned mass immigration will increase said unrest as we've already seen with Trumps election.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Cool. I'll just ban video games when the time comes. That should fix the manchildren up real good.
1 x_takeittothelimit_x 2018-11-18
6 million ways to die and you chose bacon.
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2018-11-18
It's the most haram way
1 ihopeitsnormal 2018-11-18
Nah we let women vote and it's been shit since. The political landscape changed. Hopefully a genius such as yourself can identify that at least. People's natures may not change but their circumstances do
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
If you're joking that's funny. But if not then LOL you deluded dumbass. Humans have been around for thousands of years. Thousands. You'll die in the next couple decades. Women haven't fucking changed,grow the fuck up.
1 22333444455555666666 2018-11-18
you're right tbh
women have been absolute worthless trash for millennia
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Hahaha. People are all different and i gaurantee 95% are ten times the person you will ever be .
1 whyismarvelhypo 2018-11-18
I gaurantee you're either a cuck or yet another women with endless group bias.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I'm a guy and girls are awesome. You guys are lying to you yourselves.
1 itsCaffeine 2018-11-18
/u/justcool393
1 justcool393 2018-11-18
done!
1 retarded4bustin 2018-11-18
This post doesn't make sense in context of what it's responding to.
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1 itsCaffeine 2018-11-18
Is this a pasta?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Nope. My original roast of you pathetic people.
1 itsCaffeine 2018-11-18
Ok, this is epic 👌
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
That's what I thought as soon as I stumbled n/on your sub and read two posts. Jesus. Are you guys really this incel?
I've never been here is will never come back but this is sad delusion. Girls aren't any different from ever. You ain't gonna live that long buddy. Girls didn't magically change just by chance just during your couple fucking years.
1 itsCaffeine 2018-11-18
Bruh I don’t even know what you’re talking about 😂
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
And .... What? Make a point or shut the fuck up. Noone is shocked you don't understand something
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
Out of all the people begging me for attention, you are by far the most desperate for it. You make little scrapbooks and follow me around and check up on me every day of your boring life because you have nothing else to look forward to.
I'm sure you're very proud of the life you built for yourself, hahaha. Another exciting internet day spent talking to no one and accomplishing nothing, buit at least your internet drama friends think you're edgy and cool.
I'm sure you'll never regret the amount of time you spent during your exciting years trying to impress dipshits on the internet rather than trying to make friends.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Again all about me nothing about the topic. Are you this slimy in real life? What do people do with you? People aren't stupid. They know when you deflect or change the subject.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
How about this, you addlepated fuckwit: your comment is so astoundingly ignorant that even if we presume satirical intention, it's still indicative of an individual whose moral compass is irrevocably broken - and the username to go with it simply hammers the point. You are an irredeemable piece of sub-human detritus.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Girls have not magically changes just in time for your special little life. That's looney talk. Grow up.
1 TheColdTurtle 2018-11-18
*😴😴😴*
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
I genuinely don't know if you're being insightful or doing that thing where you stupid fucks throw words together in a kind of meaningless salad that you think must be deep just because it doesn't make any fucking sense to you, but that is an oddly succinct description of one of my more favorite jokes here. You should see them beg and cry, twisting their words about in the hopes that somehow they'll be able to make a big dumb-dumb like me understand. I might be accused of sucking my own dick from time to time and yeah I mean okay maybe a little, but goddamn do I take pride in the artistry of it all.
Fans of this type of humor may enjoy this particular subthread in a larger project I did a couple of weeks ago. Take it in and let it nourish you - I squeezed that out of my anus weeks ago so now it's all moldy and rancid, but that's just about right for you things, don't you agree? Go ahead, take a bite - doesn't it just feel like where you belong?
The circle of life is such a beautiful thing.
I can give you things such beautiful gifts: drama crafted to my exacting standards. Or I can have healthy discussions on movies that I like where I immediately deescalate anything resembling drama, allowing people of diverse political beliefs to discuss their opinions of a film. That second one is actually more interesting than it sounds, but somehow I think you'd prefer more of the shit I'm giving you here.
I might consider providing for you, but not for free. You sluts will have to earn it. I know the quality of my craftsmanship; I know what I'm holding. I am not cheap but I am so worth it.
1 LongPostBot 2018-11-18
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1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Girls have not magically changed just in time for your special little life. That's looney talk. Grow up.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
I'm not going to let people downplay my emotional outrage simply because it shares a trait similar to that of trolling. It's that emotional intelligence we need to instill in so many boys and men now since their puritanical patriarchal privilege has blinded them for so many generations.
Now, if I were truly unnecessarily hostile OR an asshole maybe I'd bring up my own personal prejudices of that I don't trust any whiteboi who has a cut cock as they're effectively broken homunculi void of trust and emotion yet still hypersensitive to any social interaction. You know, Sheldons. See THAT'S unnecessary hostility.
I am totally an asshole tho but I've got baby wipes unlike the rest of the crusty brownstars like yourself.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I cant for the life of me understand anything you say. And I am good at parsing people's thoughts. But not you. You are simply incoherent.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
Fresh off the boat, from facebook, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on reddit by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking facebook friends would like. None of that here. You don't like. You don't send emojis. This ain't facebook, kid. This is reddit. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it.
1 whyismarvelhypo 2018-11-18
SHUT UP 60 IQCEL
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Sorry that the stories you tell yourself are bullshit
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
Friendly reminder to never ever downvote a lolcow.
1 itsCaffeine 2018-11-18
It should be noted that I've upvoted every single person who's disagreed with me here, as far as I know. That said.
In 7th grade, I took an SAT test without preparing for it at all, it was spur-of-the-moment, I knew about it about an hour ahead of time and didn't do any research or anything. I scored higher on it than the average person using it to apply for college in my area. An IQ test has shown me to be in the 99.9th percentile for IQ. This is the highest result the test I was given reaches; anything further and they'd consider it to be within the margin of error for that test.
My mother's boyfriend of 8 years is an aerospace engineer who graduated Virginia Tech. At the age of 15, I understand physics better than him, and I owe very little of it to him, as he would rarely give me a decent explanation of anything, just tell me that my ideas were wrong and become aggravated with me for not quite understanding thermodynamics. He's not particularly successful as an engineer, but I've met lots of other engineers who aren't as good as me at physics, so I'm guessing that's not just a result of him being bad at it. I'm also pretty good at engineering. I don't have a degree, and other than physics I don't have a better understanding of any aspect of engineering than any actual engineer, but I have lots of ingenuity for inventing new things. For example, I independently invented regenerative brakes before finding out what they were, and I was only seven or eight years old when I started inventing wireless electricity solutions (my first idea being to use a powerful infrared laser to transmit energy; admittedly not the best plan).
I have independently thought of basically every branch of philosophy I've come across. Every question of existentialism which I've seen discussed in SMBC or xkcd or Reddit or anywhere else, the thoughts haven't been new to me. Philosophy has pretty much gotten trivial for me; I've considered taking a philosophy course just to see how easy it is. Psychology, I actually understand better than people with degrees. Unlike engineering, there's no aspect of psychology which I don't have a very good understanding of. I can debunk many of even Sigmund Freud's theories. I'm a good enough writer that I'm writing a book and so far everybody who's read any of it has said it was really good and plausible to expect to have published. And that's not just, like, me and family members, that counts strangers on the Internet. I've heard zero negative appraisal of it so far; people have critiqued it, but not insulted it.
I don't know if that will suffice as evidence that I'm intelligent. I'm done with it, though, because I'd rather defend my maturity, since it's what you've spent the most time attacking. The following are some examples of my morals and ethical code.
I believe firmly that everybody deserves a future. If we were to capture Hitler at the end of WWII, I would be against executing him. In fact, if we had any way of rehabilitating him and knowing that he wasn't just faking it, I'd even support the concept of letting him go free. This is essentially because I think that whoever you are in the present is a separate entity from who you were in the past and who you are in the future, and while your present self should take responsibility for your past self's actions, it shouldn't be punished for them simply for the sake of punishment, especially if the present self regrets the actions of the past self and feels genuine guilt about them.
I don't believe in judgement of people based on their personal choices as long as those personal choices aren't harming others. I don't have any issue with any type of sexuality whatsoever (short of physically acting out necrophilia, pedophilia, or other acts which have a harmful affect on others - but I don't care what a person's fantasies consist of, as long as they recognize the difference between reality and fiction and can separate them). I don't have any issue with anybody over what type of music they listen to, or clothes they wear, etc. I know that's not really an impressive moral, but it's unfortunately rare; a great many people, especially those my age, are judgmental about these things. I love everyone, even people I hate. I wish my worst enemies good fortune and happiness. Rick Perry is a vile, piece of shit human being, deserving of zero respect, but I wish for him to change for the better and live the best life possible. I wish this for everyone.
I'm pretty much a pacifist. I've taken a broken nose without fighting back or seeking retribution, because the guy stopped punching after that. The only time I'll fight back is if 1) the person attacking me shows no signs of stopping and 2) if I don't attack, I'll come out worse than the other person will if I do. In other words, if fighting someone is going to end up being more harmful to them than just letting them go will be to me, I don't fight back. I've therefore never had a reason to fight back against anyone in anything serious, because my ability to take pain has so far made it so that I'm never in a situation where I'll be worse off after a fight. If I'm not going to get any hospitalizing injuries, I really don't care.
The only exception is if someone is going after my life. Even then, I'll do the minimum amount of harm to them that I possibly can in protecting myself. If someone points a gun at me and I can get out of it without harming them, I'd prefer to do that over killing them. I consider myself a feminist. I don't believe in enforced or uniform gender roles; they may happen naturally, but they should never be coerced into happening unnaturally. As in, the societal pressure for gender roles should really go, even if it'll turn out that the majority of relationships continue operating the same way of their own accord. I treat women with the same outlook I treat men, and never participate in the old Reddit "women are crazy" circlejerk, because there are multiple women out there and each have different personalities just like there are multiple men out there and each with different personalities. I don't think you do much of anything except scare off the awesome women out there by going on and on about the ones who aren't awesome.
That doesn't mean I look for places to victimize women, I just don't believe it's fair to make generalizations such as the one about women acting like everything's OK when it's really not (and that's a particularly harsh example, because all humans do that). I'm kind of tired of citing these examples and I'm guessing you're getting tired of reading them, if you've even made it this far. In closing, the people who know me in real life all respect me, as do a great many people in the Reddit brony community, where I spend most of my time and where I'm pretty known for being helpful around the community. A lot of people in my segment of the community are depressed or going through hard times, and I spend a lot of time giving advice and support to people there. Yesterday someone quoted a case of me doing this in a post asking everyone what their favorite motivational/inspirational quote was, and that comment was second to the top, so I guess other people agreed (though, granted, it was a pretty low-traffic post, only about a dozen competing comments). And, uh, I'm a pretty good moderator.
All that, and I think your behavior in this thread was totally assholish. So what do you think, now that you at least slightly know me?
1 LongPostBot 2018-11-18
All those words won't bring daddy back.
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1 Alimentas 2018-11-18
😳😳😳😳
1 itsCaffeine 2018-11-18
You gonna respond bruh, or what?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
What's the question? Half our species didn't suddenly change in the past couple decades. That's it.
1 Alimentas 2018-11-18
Would you argue that the education, culture and upbringing are the same as 50 years ago? What about 200?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Yea education is different. What's your point? People haven't fundamentally changed. Especially just one sex for some reason. Are you guys looking for excuses for your failures? You want to blame all of women for changing???
1 Alimentas 2018-11-18
Easy there with assumptions, no need to get that bussy-blasted all of a sudden.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
As long as you don't believe that "women" have "changed" or whatever psycho stuff was being said around here
1 whyismarvelhypo 2018-11-18
Man. That is some psycho stuff xD
1 POST_BUSSY 2018-11-18
Yes 😎
1 BlindedbyOnanism 2018-11-18
This is the stupidest thing I've read in quite a while, maybe ever. It's so monumentally retarded that I only believe it could possibly be sincere because not even a self-denigrating troll would create such a shamefully idiotic comment. You have somehow missed every wisp of a point so broadly that it is too painful to even be funny. I wanted to laugh at what you wrote, but it is SO sententious and grotesque that whatever truth contained in the sentence has been tainted by your entire and absolute stupidity. Brain damage would not be a sufficient defence to exonerate you from the crime of condemning an innocent reader to the asinine oblivion you've somehow immortalised on this web page. There is no clear course of action you should follow, because creating a contingency plan for something this suicide-encouragingly obtuse has historically never been necessary. You are the pioneer of unprecedented spastic rambling at a level never before encountered by mortal beings. My day has been entirely ruined, and my faith in humanity shattered.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
People haven't changed buddy. Nice rant but it's true. They have not changed all of a sudden, just happened to just during your lifetime. You ain't special.
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
Wait, I thought men have changed and become more pathetic, which is it?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Yea I would say technology and computer games and shit have not been good for guys.
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
I would say technology hasn't been good for women either, probably worse for guys though.
I am serious about the low-T thing though, low-T decreases libido, increases likelihood of erectile dysfunction and makes men less sexually aggressive. It would be weirder if male testosterone levels and sexual aggression weren't trending down together.
We're running a massive chemistry experiment right now that a couple decades from now I suspect we'll lament pretty badly.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
What chemistry experiment? Isn't alot to do with guys getting fat and sitting on their asses their whole life.
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
Obesity is part of it but a lot of food contains phytoestrogens and most plastics leach BPA, an estrogen like chemical.
1 whyismarvelhypo 2018-11-18
You literally have 70 iq. Can you shut your mouth sweetie? Grown ups are talking
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
You're talking insanity. Just delusional bullshit excuses.
1 BlindedbyOnanism 2018-11-18
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Lol nice. But yea girls have been around for 200,000 they didn't suddenly change right when you hit dating age LMAO. I mean cmon man, you can't believe that crap right?
1 BlindedbyOnanism 2018-11-18
The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of your of what you wrote, because, well ... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things to be difficult. If I had known that this was true in your case then I would have never have exposed myself to what you wrote. It just wouldn't have been "right." Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Lol nice. But yea girls have been around for 200,000 they didn't suddenly change right when you hit dating age LMAO. I mean cmon man, you can't believe that crap right?
1 Inceltiers 2018-11-18
You a schitzo?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
No you guys are just all weird about women in here.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Show me an example of being normal about women, please.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
For example from your post history. Talking about how women should be asking guys out. Don't try to explain how women should be acting. That's not normal. You want to ask a girl out then ask her. Why's that some kinda social media debate topic for you? That's weird.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Excuse, I am having trouble understanding your reply.
Could you explain whether women asking men out is normal in your view? Is talking about whether do or should ask men out normal?
I do not recall having made any normative statements. Could you remind me where in this conversation I set out how women should act?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Sure it's normal. If they don't that is normal too. If you are waiting around for a girl to ask you out, I got some bad news tho. Might be a loooooong time.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
I don't. I have had this work differently at different times, different places, among different sets at various times in my life. It's a bit offputting when someone you don't like that way approaches you in a setting like e.g. work and makes an unambiguous advance.
1 whyismarvelhypo 2018-11-18
Right women and the right to vote has happened countless times before. You pro feminist npcs are all the same.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
You think thhe right to vote changed how women act ??? Lmao! They love their kids and families and think dudes who play video games are fucking losers. That never has and never will change. You are making excuses for yourself bud. They don't all suck. You do
1 BeastTrinity 2018-11-18
So how long have you been a gamer?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I was for a long time.
1 BeastTrinity 2018-11-18
Once a gamer, always a gamer. Your blood is forever tainted and no foid will ever touch your disgusting greasy cheeto-dust-encrusted skin ever again.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
What's foid? Food?
1 BeastTrinity 2018-11-18
A foid is also known as a gussy.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
This is sad. Noone ever deserves to have to interact with a neet or incel. I'm a good person and don't understand why I am being punished so
1 BeastTrinity 2018-11-18
You've obviously done something horrible by visiting /r/drama, this is your punishment 👿
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Please sir. No more replies. In honour of the holidays gentle sir, I beseech your better nature
1 BeastTrinity 2018-11-18
Post bussy and I MAY consider it
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
What's a buddy???!! I feel like I'm in Saw 7
1 BeastTrinity 2018-11-18
You have to look inside yourself to find out what bussy truly means.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I been doing pretty good not knowing my whole life I don't know what it would add, tbh
1 BeastTrinity 2018-11-18
That's what they all say, and then their lives change forever. Some go insane, some become homeless, but some gain true enlightenment after achieving bussy nirvana.
1 Alimentas 2018-11-18
PSA: Stop downvoting the lolcow!
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
Based + redpilled + woke
1 Aivias 2018-11-18
Shame has been the foids default weapon since the the first cell turned to the other and said "THAT guy has TWO cells, what have you got?"
1 bareballzthebitch 2018-11-18
The flip side is the other 30% are smashing like crazy. maybe.
1 Signedupforthisshit2 2018-11-18
30% meaning foreigners...
1 MotorButterscotch 2018-11-18
3%*
1 deceIIerator 2018-11-18
Not even,closer to 1% iirc
1 brd4eva 2018-11-18
have you seen the average /r/japanlife poster?
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-11-18
Except that almost half of Japanese women say they have no interest in sex.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Bahahhaha if I took them out to dinner I gaurantee they wouldn't be saying that shit. Sex takes two people idiot.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-11-18
youre right, they would say they have no interest in sex with you, a reddit user
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I said they wouldn't. What you said doesn't make sense. Try roasting me again but do it better.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-11-18
Youre right they didnt say they would have no interest in sex, they would say they have no interest in sex with you
which is a different statement to the first
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
They are just normal girls. Guys are getting shittier. That's my point. Are you agreeing with that?
1 Kiru-Kokujin23 2018-11-18
And no normal girl would fuck you voluntarily without financial incentive
1 uniqueguy263 2018-11-18
A lot of guys and girls are getting shittier. Tons of people think they're an extra special victim who should just get everything handed to them on a silver platter, a bunch of people in the Atlantic article, the people crying about women in this sub, etc. Maybe it's the millennials fault for being pussies, maybe it's the boomers fault for being terrible parents, whatever it isit's pathetic
1 ParticularDrummer 2018-11-18
An r/drama user*
Reddit is one of the most popular sites in the world, plenty of facebook normies to be found here.
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-11-18
They may get wet for white guys, but unfortunately for you, they still have some standards.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Huh? That sounds like excuse making bullshit. Are you saying girls don't like you?
1 ihopeitsnormal 2018-11-18
You might be the dumbest person I've ever seen in this sub. Congrats
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Really? Did you check my post history? Because I'm actually pretty fucking clever. You fucking losers aren't the first people to ever whine about girls.
I am here to tell you, they are just like you, they love fucking and they love boys. You just suck. This isn't something existential mind benders tongue twister murder mystery. You currently suck. That is all. Girls haven't changed one bit. Not an ounce.
1 anonymous_boi_lol 2018-11-18
I agree with the other guy. You are probably the dumbest person in this subreddit today. You're providing new snapshill quotes though so we will keep you around a bit longer.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Blah blah just talking about me. That's boring. Let's talk about girls. Cmon . You were ready to. I bet you they are the exact fucking same as 1000 years ago. And I gaurantee they want to fuck boys. Okay now you go.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
The female orgasm isn't real and women don't experience romantic love.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I don't know why you responded to this and I don't know your angle . But I do know I have never ever needed or wanted to type the female orgasm into whatever I was trying to say and I am thankful for that. I hope you start acting like a real man someday.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
https://media.giphy.com/media/Pflb8PkqfCTFS/giphy.gif
1 ihopeitsnormal 2018-11-18
But why are you so angry if you have it all figured out?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Oh i love girls but I love roasting whiny bitches too. Is this a difficult concept that I have to explain or do you get it?
Can you respond to my argument and not talk about me? Talking about me is boring
1 911roofer 2018-11-18
He's discovered the meaninglessness of sex without love. He can have any woman he wants body, but he can't touch their heart.
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
He dreads the inevitable mayocide.
1 NSAyyylmao 2018-11-18
why r u posting so much lol. Get a life homie.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
First of all, girls ain't magically unhorny. They love boys. You know that's true. They love em.
Second, I love roasting you guys. Someone has to smack you boys up. You're crying and mewling. Someone has to bring reality in. And that's me
1 NSAyyylmao 2018-11-18
You're absolutely correct. Everyone here thinks they are chad, and need a reality check.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Shit thanks dude. If you are cool why are you even here? I got here via buttcoin
1 KokomoOReily 2018-11-18
We take all kinds round these parts
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-18
If that was the care their birth rates wouldn't have dropped much. Many women are similar, but probably less bad.
1 Vurtizontal 2018-11-18
Japan is just ahead of the curve. The Atlantic had am article on dwindling sex im the west this week. Whoever makes actual real waifus first is gonna be a billionaire.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2018-11-18
I look forward to the scare adverts of the fututr..
1 OysterCookie 2018-11-18
foids btfo forever!!!!!!!!
1 uniqueguy263 2018-11-18
Jeff Bezos is already the richest man on the planet, Alexa isn't at that level yet but you just know in like five years some deeply sad, pathetic people will be "dating" Alexa. Someone did a movie about that four years ago that I think won an Oscar, it was called Her.
1 antimorphoid 2018-11-18
Yes, once blackpill goes mainstream, this is what it will be like in America as well. Around 80% of the male population LDARing because it’s pointless to put any effort into your life when you know no woman will ever want you.
1 gumble212 2018-11-18
based
1 duckraul2 2018-11-18
And blackpilled
1 SonyXboxNintendo13 2018-11-18
When I was 5, people always told me Japan was 30 years ahead of everyone. Oh boy, they were right. We're all gonna turn on Japan of now by 2040.
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
If the females around you are like the entitled Jap women going MGTOW can actually be convinient, still pathetic but convenient
1 nukemybackyard 2018-11-18
MGTOW was a pretty interesting movement for men that got screwed over by their parterns until it morphed into a foid-hating one, like feminism but in the opposite end of the spectrum. Guess horseshoe theory always wins in the end.
1 nomad1c 2018-11-18
i imagine actual MGTOW don't bother with social media so you never hear from them. the ones who do tend to just be whining about their lack of sex rather than actually doing their own thing
1 SlowFatHusky 2018-11-18
MGTOW started out on YouTube. Basically they were guys who looked at the state of moid/foid relationships circa 2014 and the general state of foids (especially the abundance of single mothers) and said fuck it. They did spend a lot of time bitching about foids though, but not complaining about their sex lives. Many of them would still hook up upon occasions.
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
Seriousposting, in my r/drama?!
It's more likely than you think...
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-11-18
Drama isn't as impartial as it pretends to be. It also somehow managed to convince others that it's less smug than SRD.
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2018-11-18
That's on SRD, we set a low bar but they started digging.
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
You guys are talking about girls you don't even know. I know girls they aren't anything like what you're saying at all. Im sure given 7 billion people you can find women like that and get sweated up. But women in general aren't like that at all. And I would say dudes are bigger pieces of shit. Look at you guys having a cry online. Not attractive. I wouldn't want to fuck you either.
1 shill_house 2018-11-18
Lol, so we're not even trying to pass off incel opinions with a veneer of irony anymore?
1 911roofer 2018-11-18
The incels have invaded. The foreigners are in the house, ripping up our playgirl magazines.
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
This is so sad, Alexa, play “I’m Barbiegirl”
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2018-11-18
Incels aren't MGTOW tho.
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
They used to be called lone wolfs, which is more manly smh 😣😔
1 SlowFatHusky 2018-11-18
Not these guys. They don't eat meat like the lone wolves.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-11-18
The lone wolf archetype is like Clint Eastwood’s character in a Western, keeping to himself but doing cool shit and having people want to ally with him but never taking up their offer for some reason. These people don't do cool shit
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
Hahaha
1 Kiru-Kokujin23 2018-11-18
you need to read better op
1 Honk4Tits 2018-11-18
Only thing remotely misleading about what I said was the up to 70% who identify as Herbivore Men are in Japan not Hong Kong, the article was saying it's trendng that way in HK.
1 Pepperglue 2018-11-18
Maybe women should just step up their game and become breadwinners, and let their man become homemakers.
1 snallygaster 2018-11-18
That would only work in a culture that doesn't have extremely strict gender norms. In Japan at least, one of the major reasons why women aren't getting married is precisely because they'd be expected to quit their jobs and settle down as a homemaker who spends all her time doing boring ass chores while her husband works crazy hours and they barely get to see each other. The reason why this phenomenon is happening is because the culture is fucked; East Asian corporate culture and industrialization are incompatible with their strict gender norms, and it makes life worse for everyone.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-11-18
women are getting married they just arent having kids
1 snallygaster 2018-11-18
Are they? If up to 70% of young men are 'herbivores', then there are probably not many marriageable men in the dating pool.
1 retarded4bustin 2018-11-18
Snally he's saying that marriage doesn't change the having kids factor too much. The women have to work terrible Jap hours and motherhood puts their professional lives in jeopardy.
1 snallygaster 2018-11-18
Yeah, but he also said that women are getting married, which is increasingly becoming untrue. The trend in declining marriage rates for women is similar to the one for men, just not as stark.
1 retarded4bustin 2018-11-18
It's still inconvenient for married Japanese couples to raise kids right now. Having better marriage material won't change that for either men or women.
1 Kiru-Kokujin23 2018-11-18
im saying that even couples who do get married arent having kids, in japan at least i dont care about the west
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-11-18
You should read the article and not ops altered title
and as i said women are getting married but not having kids, the solution is to offer money for couples who have kids to make up for the money they would lose by taking time off work, which in the few prefectures/wards (states = prefecture, city = ward) its been tried in it works
1 snallygaster 2018-11-18
I did
As of 2010 marriage rates have been lowering among women in Japan, and the trend suggests that the rate will continue to lower. The rate may be higher among men, but more and more women are electing to stay unmarried as well.
1 Kiru-Kokujin23 2018-11-18
then you would know 70% of men arent "herbivores"
i never said otherwise, the women who get married arent having kids either
which shows its a financial problem, which is backed by the fact that the few prefectures and wards that have given money to couples have kids have had their birth rates go up
1 911roofer 2018-11-18
70% of single men, not 70% of men overall. The article lies.
1 Pepperglue 2018-11-18
That is true. Too bad the work culture is changing at a much slower pace than people reacting to it.
1 MotorButterscotch 2018-11-18
Why don't they work like western women and destroy the family unit?
1 thehoesmaketheman 2018-11-18
I just want to say thanks because I love women and the population is like 50/50 so the more of you guys who drop out and pretend like the world is mean or whatever the better it is for me. I become more and more of an asset. Who wants to add on a whiny bitch in life? Noone.
You guys are doing me a favour and I should thank you. But your such evil hateful little shits I would never.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-18
What I love about these complaints of women "feeling left out" is that it never occurs to them that women can start picking up the slack by approaching men to initiate dates/relationships.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-11-18
They're just as dysfunctional as the NEETs and have the same standing in life, it's just slightly more disguised. All the blue checks for instance
1 snallygaster 2018-11-18
How can they approach men who spend all their times indoors and/or plugged in? Not to mention that the entire culture has to change for this to become an acceptable way to start dating. It's not necessarily that women don't want to take the initiative so much as it may be that they'll be thought of as masculine/aggressive/crazy and rejected if they do. East Asian countries have rigid gender roles, which is one of the major reasons that they're having trouble with so many younger people dropping out of society and/or refusing to settle down.
1 itsCaffeine 2018-11-18
It’s not that hard. Just send a PM to any poster on r/braincels.
1 snallygaster 2018-11-18
GOOD point
1 Dogcheese- 2018-11-18
Lol no women r just dum
1 snallygaster 2018-11-18
I'd reckon that it's pretty smart to not get hitched to somebody who lives off of their parents' money and passes their time playing MOBAs and jacking off to r34 hentai.
1 deere442 2018-11-18
well good thing your femcel ass wont have to make that call anyway
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-11-18
The classic r/dramacel NO U approach
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
How should I approach you ed 😍😘
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
60% of the time--it works every time.
1 Alimentas 2018-11-18
Well, you're wrong.
1 Dogcheese- 2018-11-18
When will you foids learn that playing MOBAs and jacking it to legally questionable material is the future of our people?
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
You weren't wrong, this sub is turning into an incellscape.
1 OniTan 2018-11-18
Women don't want boring men. /r/theredpill is right again.
1 JamesRobotoMD 2018-11-18
Receiving this reality changing knowledge is exactly like that one scene in that tranny movie about trench coats.
1 OniTan 2018-11-18
A lot of incels think, "Why does Stacy want to fuck Chad but not me?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" then go back to fapping to a girl with huge tits and ass, and never even think about the fat boring girls they see every day.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=nigga%20hol%20up&tbs=imgo:1
The red pill is never right; it's just more actionable than "Just Be Yourself" and "I'm sure you'll find someone sometime. I wish I had a boyfriend just like you."
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-18
Fear of rejection is something that men are expected to simply overcome to make a relationship 'happen'. And as a dude, I'll be frank. The way you overcome this fear is to psyche yourself up by emulating behaviors and adopting affectations that are currently being rebranded as "toxic masculinity". The populations of Asian males that are experiencing the phenomena described in the article are, through no coincidence imo, the ones that exhibit the least amount of "toxic masculinity."
1 definibusmalorum 2018-11-18
You are super duper wrong.
1 trilateral1 2018-11-18
yeah, they don't act how women want them to act, that's textbook toxic masculinity.
1 definibusmalorum 2018-11-18
Holy fuck stop complaining about wahmahn such pathetic whining.
1 trilateral1 2018-11-18
who's complaining about who?
1 definibusmalorum 2018-11-18
Well maybe it doesn’t really help anyone.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
That's not what toxic masculinity means. Being strong, independent and confident is masculine not toxic. Being crippled because you believe yourself a failure because any man who can't regularly sleep with women is toxic masculinity.
1 Fletch71011 2018-11-18
Good thing the definition of toxic masculinity doesn't change every single day.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
That's not what a definition means. A definition is institutional power + what words mean. A woman has no institutional power, and thus cannot define words.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Except true unironically. Here's one of my favorite jokes that is tangentially related:
Noah Webster is having adultery one day when his wife walks
"Noah, I am so surprised!" she says.
He replies, "No, madam, you are startled. It is I who am surprised."
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-11-18
https://i.imgur.com/NnvAn6c.gifv
1 broden 2018-11-18
comedy is just tragedy + power + privilege
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Tragedy is when I have a hangnail. Comedy is when you step onto a misplaced manhole cover, fall into the sewer and break your neck, then die drowning in filth.
Or something to that effect, iirc.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-11-18
Toxic masculinity literally means "man with balls and penis does something I don't like."
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
The actually definition hits a little close to home doesn't it?
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-11-18
There is no actual definition that's not so broad as to be meaningless.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
There is, it's just abused by people who don't know the actual definitions. Much like "patriarchy" I've complained about them being poorly named before but they're well defined and very reasonable in context. Instead of calling the the term bad call out the idiots misusing the term.
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
Eh, no. For there to be an “actual definition”, there would have to be an “actual feminist body” authorized to make these definitions. There is no such body. In fact, feminists don’t even agree on what the terms “feminism”, “woman”, or “men” means. Hell, they can’t even agree if men can be feminists. These terms mean whatever they want them to mean, whenever they want them to mean it.
SLAPS SELF IN FACE
I mean, BUSSY dude! Lmao!
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
Do you think these phrases literally fell out if the sky?
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
Of course they didn’t fall out of the sky. They were pulled out of somebody’s ass obviously.
Besides dude...BUSSY! Lol.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Ok and that's fine. I would like to offer you a counterexample in the form of the English language and, indeed, lengua Española.
No body is authorized to state what is in or out of the English language, though there are several pretenders. Nevertheless, words (at least) indicate something, and we use language well enough to get things done.
Now think at Spain's Royal Institute whatever that authoritatively does state what is/is not Spanish. Nevertheless, examples multiply of useful, used words in that language that escape the deliberations of that august body.
I contend that authority inheres in who would use words, together, established by consensus, rather than requiring the Grand Mother to hallow a definition for use.
1 needs-discipline 2018-11-18
Exactly. And the general consensus is that the term “toxic masculinity” means virtually anything that men allegedly do that a feminist can point to and find fault with.
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1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
motte and bailey distinction
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
It's only a motte and Bailey if I actually ever proclaim anything else, which I don't. You can't just call all definitions you dont understand motte and baileys regardless of how well reasoned Scott's article is in context,
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
I can and you can't stop me. I can do it twice on Sundays if I like. Like eating all the ice cream at 0300 hours, or having more coffee than I need in the morning, I am free.
However, in this case my point was that you and the other gentleman may be arguing at cross purposes, generating more heat than light, etc.
To the point at hand, "It's only a motte and Bailey if I actually ever proclaim anything else..." is strictly wrong afaiu Scott's presentation. His point is that the discussion as a whole depends on sides, not individual presenters iirc.
The "uncontroversially correct meaning" in this discussion is your definition of toxic masculinity. Of course someone who is mentally stacking bodies, carving notches on his belt or bedpost, comparing himself to others, etc. to substitute for being a person with integrity, a whole human being, has missed the boat a bit in intimacy.
That's a pretty clear case of delusion in a person degrading himself and others, and the good news is that it should usually be correctable by e.g. invoking the golden rule or Kant's categorical imperative if the person is amenable to reason or correction at all.
You do seem unwilling to grant that the phrase "toxic masculinity" is often, even commonly, weaponized in the exaggerated form Anarcho_Autism presented. I think this is unreasonable, if one looks at for example the first ten or so results from searching.
We can discuss this further, but are you willing to grant that your definition is simply not the only one well meaning (and bad faith) presenters of the pro toxic masculinity side use?
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1 aqouta 2018-11-18
If We're going to go with all Scott's canon of fallacy then this is a weak man fallacy. Of course there are people that are wrong and I'm doing my duty here to call out these wrong people when I see them, but that doesn't invalidate my point any more than the soviets militarizing atheism has any baring on whether I can justify not going to church on a disbelief of God.
Please point out where I refuse to recognize this? My point is that the actual definition agreed upon by academics is being missused by culture warriors, but that doesn't invalidate the term any more than young earth creationists misunderstanding some random geology study Invalidates certain geological terms.
"Pro toxic masculinity" isn't a label I would willing don. I don't even call myself a feminist. I take the ideas one by one and toxic masculinity is a useful idea that I'd like to defend from misunderstandings. There are of course people who hate men and are chomping at the bit to use anything given to them to attack men, you can find them trivially as you've shown. But there are also white supremacists that will use anything they can to try and "prove" black people are inferior to white people. In the same way I'm unwilling to give up the concepts of that white supremacists abuse to justify their hate I am unwilling to give up the tools these misogamist use to justify their hate.
1 LongPostBot 2018-11-18
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1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
From here
This was in response to:
means nothing without sources. Consensus is a matter of agreement over time. Next.
Granted. "Pro the use of the term toxic masculinity", while clearer, seem verbose in what is already a prolonged exchange by the standards of this sub.
is irrelevant, the bad faith folks who are "Pro the use of the term toxic masculinity" are relevant rhetorically because they make using the term seem like something someone who argues in bad faith would do. I think it is at least tendentious and that all would do well to abandon it.
To your last sentence, you may wish to consider giving up on "toxic masculinity" since it is easily misunderstood as tarring all men with an unfair brush; it is used often by people who are intellectually dishonest, witting or no; and we already have terms that relate to people who cheapen their own and others lives with sex.
I am sure you are able to find your own, but for the sake of the children watching from home some vocabulary:
Promiscuous. Slut. Loser. Rake (antiquarian, I know). Degraded. Decadent.
A noble man does not abuse others without regard to their own well being. He does not darken his eyes bringing such thoughts into view in his secret heart.
1 LongPostBot 2018-11-18
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1 aqouta 2018-11-18
Failure to acknowledge a side show that has rarely ever actually said anything substantial at all is not the same as refusing to acknowledge them. People at software development conventions don't start their talks on agile methodology with a disclaimer that they aren't relate to anarcho-primitivists. You cant take not mentioning them as tacit support of them.
Here, a writeup on its history it's biased in my direction but the sources are legit.
Then we end up on another one of Scott's recurring problems, the euphemistic treadmill.
1 LongPostBot 2018-11-18
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1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Thanks for the writeup. I'll listen to it at/read it after gym. I hope you have a good rest of your day, and thanks for the conversation.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-11-18
Haha u should totally find this agreed upon academic definition and report back. I'm sure it will have plenty of reasonable parameters and constraints that make using the term for virtually anything very difficult.
1 RollBread 2018-11-18
The academic integrity of gender studies is nonexistent.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
The actually concept is pretty uncontroversial, I'm not sure why there is so much pushback here, have we been brigaded by braincels or something? It's trivially obvious that
there is some socially prescribed gendered role for men.
Those gender roles are sometimes self deatructive, or as a weaker but more trivially defended case not in society's best interest
This happens frequently enough that it makes sense to coin a term for when it does happen.
And voilà there you have it. Toxic, as in harmful, masculinity as in the gender role is applies to. I'm not a particular fan of the name that was chosen but it too late to change it.
You don't really need an appeal to the authority of gender study, this is just basic definitions. This is the definition people willing to talk in good faith are using and if they aren't using it feel free to call them out for being a shithead.
1 RollBread 2018-11-18
Mine is simple: gender studies is unresearched bullshit. Anything that uses a political agenda to cheat peer review can go straight in the trash, thanks.
One of the actual problems of the first world, unlike the wage gap between movie stars, or the draft.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
I don't think you've read my previous comment because you seem to think I bothered trying to defend gender studies instead of just defining terms from basic and easily defend axioms
1 RollBread 2018-11-18
I ain't reading all that shit.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
I am astonished that you are even,able to read at all.
1 RollBread 2018-11-18
Aw, poor baby.
1 whyismarvelhypo 2018-11-18
What? Are you projecting now or what? 2 weeks ago there wasn't all these feminists on r/drama. It's not enough you've infested every part of reddit now you come for r/drama too?
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
I've very likely been here longer than you. This sub is not a safe space for ideologues, if you aren't capable of disagreeing with two different groups of morons at the same time you will likely not fit in here.
1 whyismarvelhypo 2018-11-18
No they're not what you're looking for is rankism, and why are you srs posting in r/drama
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
You want to make that comment less incoherent?
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
I feel there may be a motte and bailey distinction you and the other poster are arguing here. The motte is your thesis; the bailey "Being crippled because you believe yourself a failure because any man who can't regularly sleep with women is toxic masculinity" of the reply above.
If I am right, you are just arguing at cross purposes. I don't have any prescription here, just my thought. I wonder if it informs your discussion.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
The ad hominem fallacy you employed does you no credit and weakens your argument, rhetorically if not logically. Hold your head up; rise above what is less in you and be more.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
They didn't make an argument, they made a claim. I didn't make an argument or an ad hominem, I made fun of them for being embarrassing.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Would you agree that the claim you refer to is part of a greater discussion? One that we may as well refer to as a kind of dialogue, an extended discourse, even, dare I say an argument?
As to whether or not you may have employed fallacious reasoning, I leave to the judgment of who would read it.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
I rarely expand beyond the direct linear comment chain and didn't notice these stemed from the same source. The other commenter isn't conversing in good faith and did nothing to frame this as a debate. I corrected their definition and their reply ignored it and posed a hyperbolic definition. I don't consider random piffy comments that don't at all engage with what I've said on /r/drama of all places to be anything I have to take particularly seriously.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Granted.
Now send pics of ass.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-18
I've definitely seen it characterized as "male entitlement" when a guy simply approaches a woman with confidence. And in my experience, there is some truth to this that is not inconsistent with my original statement. To approach a woman and start a conversation with the hope that the conversation will evolve into a potential date/hook-up, a dude has to convince himself "I'm interesting enough that this woman will want to talk to me" and then insinuate himself into the daily interactions of a complete stranger on that basis alone.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
I think you're gluing a couple other concepts onto "confidence" here. It is not a synonym for arrogance or undue entitlement.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-18
It's not a synonym for it, but it's subjective enough for two people to differ on the interpretation.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-11-18
Foids have no clue how much pressure this puts on guys.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Fuck foids literally.
1 PeskyPapaya 2018-11-18
Step 1: got need Step 2: break in Step 3: stand near fridge making sexy pose
Are they really gunna say no?
1 jubbergun 2018-11-18
Depends...are they just near the fridge or are they actively blocking me from getting into it?
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2018-11-18
Step 1 : Refuse roast beef
Step 2 : ask thot to leave
Step 3 : remain pure
Yes
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
This works on a boat.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-11-18
Find a way. Or else they shouldn't complain about being left out.
This is unironic bullshit, your gender has no qualms approaching people you find attractive. Women on average do handle rejection worse than men.
So basically, dude bussy lmao
1 489031573147892 2018-11-18
Who cares if they get rejected, they literally have nothing to lose.
1 wisty 2018-11-18
These are the same excuses incels make. If it weren't for men who'd just suck it up and make the first moves, we'd be extinct.
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1 Redactor0 2018-11-18
Guide to approaching men if you're a woman:
Step 1: Be Snallygaster.
Step 2: 😎😎😎
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-11-18
https://i.imgur.com/aks7kxV.png
1 Redactor0 2018-11-18
It's too bad there's no sunglasses Marsey, but at least we have this.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-11-18
you love marsey the cat don't you?? 😹😻
1 Redactor0 2018-11-18
You would need devil horns to not love this angel 😇😇😇.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-11-18
fucking lol
1 x_takeittothelimit_x 2018-11-18
Some coagulated corner of my heart just got a little softer seeing that
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2018-11-18
I think that's the high cholesterol.
1 x_takeittothelimit_x 2018-11-18
Too much bacon
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-18
Not enough, akshually
1 Inceltiers 2018-11-18
Bruh just be like the anime 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
1 zergling_Lester 2018-11-18
I just want to point out that the entire culture has changed to make being an otaku acceptable and that the entire point of complaining about is to make it change back or something. So it's more about who is expected to do the work I guess.
1 morerokk 2018-11-18
Oh no, they might get rejected?? I guess that means they would have to actually take a risk, like society already expects men to do all the time.
1 umar4812 2018-11-18
Boo hoo. Welcome to being a dude.
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
Are you telling her to make the effort of taking a shower?!
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
womp womp
1 MooseHeckler 2018-11-18
These countries might have rigid roles but, I notice it changing. There are some women who will approach men.
1 siempreloco31 2018-11-18
Recently a woman found my number from somewhere and randomly messaged me first. So they could do that I guess.
1 Pepperglue 2018-11-18
I understand your reasoning, but one of the contributing factor for the dating issues in Asia is men are now not only expected to become successful in a place where housing market is crazy with little good paying jobs because their parent's generation is still working, but also the rising expectation of women in those areas because women have caught up on the earning scale.
Thing is, with increased income, they failed to adjust their expectation that not all men can earn as much as them. Such expectation is like you said, largely planted by the society. That doesn't excuse their refusal in adapting to the new reality like men are now doing (albeit in a wrong way).
Your reasoning is just like incel's reasoning in not getting laid, ironically.
1 Trannypostingaccount 2018-11-18
Unly uggos do that though. The incel might as well stay home lmao. Ugly foids are literally the only thing worse than incels.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-11-18
Yea, but I wanna see more meltdowns by rejected women.
1 antifrancaisguarno 2018-11-18
Who doesn’t? 😎
1 OniTan 2018-11-18
"Yosuke, let's have sex!"
"Eh, no Yukiko."
(Audience laughs)
(Yosuke starts playing nearby fighting game, audience cheers wildly)
1 Alicesnakebae 2018-11-18
Chie is fucking him tho
1 Rystic 2018-11-18
I'm glad Saki died. Yosuke was too good for her.
1 brocioli 2018-11-18
East Asian women are all getting fucked by rich American businessmen. That’s their purpose.
1 harbringot 2018-11-18
Western gussy - say they don't need men & earn their own income
Tendie huffers - REEEEEEEEEEEE females will regret!!! Will be old and lonely!! Liberalism is RUINING women.
Asian bussy - say they don't need a woman, yet bask in unemployment
Tendie huffers - omg yas qween, you brave ~lone wolf~ warrior refusing to conform to the rat race. You smash society's expectations of traditional family values 🙌 🙌
1 gumble212 2018-11-18
this but unironically
1 mukumukum12 2018-11-18
Herbivore, carnivorem smh, both sissies. True men go full ketogenic.
1 FieldMarshalHaig 2018-11-18
Brave New World was a prophecy.
1 HillaryDidNothnWrong 2018-11-18
meanwhile korean men put on makeup to bang chicks. get on korea's level weak-ass bitches
1 JohnGalt316 2018-11-18
imagine being such a pathetic legbeard that you lose to pixels lmao
1 911roofer 2018-11-18
The rate can't be that high, can it?
1 ffbtaw 2018-11-18
70% of single men which I believe is about 40% of all men between 18 and 35.
1 aqouta 2018-11-18
Figures Asians would copy mgtow from the west too, do they have any original ideas? I'm starting to think the culture wars are us just pretending to go full retard so they copy us and kill their society.