It is known that Carlsen plays like a pussy, and as the de facto trendsetter for chess, now everyone plays like pussies.
Gone are the 16th century high tempo openings and the 18th century creative pawn structures. This is no longer a game of creativity, just a contest to see who is more robotic than the other.
The world championship is not the time for "creative",
That must be why Fischer, two games down in a match against a player he'd never beaten before, did so badly when he started opening 1. d4 or playing the Benoni as Black. Oh, wait, Fischer hosed Spassky. My bad.
How so? As someone who doesn't know shit about Chess, won't we eventually reach a point where the best human players are essentially flawless and will get draw games every time? It'd be like if you had competitive tic-tac-toe.
Well, except that tic-tac-toe is provably drawn and the strategy can be learned by a smart ten-year-old in a few minutes, whereas the total number of possible chess games far exceeds the number of atoms in the universe. No-one yet knows what "flawless" looks like, and there was something quite amazing that happened in the last couple of years: a neural network was taught to teach itself to play chess, which it did by playing against itself billions of times, and it then performed extremely impressively against existing chess engines while playing some very strange moves.
The "draw death" was predicted years ago, and by the 1920s it was looking as though Capablanca had solved chess. And then along came Alekhine and a bunch of others and showed it wasn't solved after all. It's like that rhyme about science:
Nature and Nature's laws lay robed in night;
God said "Let Newton be", and all was light.
It did not last: the devil, crying "Ho!
"Let Einstein be!" restored the status quo.
I guess it would be also able to move 1 space in any direction then along the diagonals. Pawn with a Gun would be able to capture up to two spaces ahead of it.
I think Capablanca once recommended a 10 x 8 rectangular board with two new pieces, a Rook/Knight combo and a Bishop/Knight combo. But then it turned out that there was still life in the old game yet.
Hell no, the only reason engines are as good as they are, even with the strongest hardware, is that they severely restrict the number of moves they even look at.
For all we know, "solving" chess, i.e. looking at all possible moves seems to be impossible if our understanding of physics isn't completely revolutionized.
TL;DR: It's the last game in a 12 game match. Magnus Carlsen, the champion, offered a draw in a better position and while his opponent, Fabiano Caruana, was low on time. All 11 games before this were also draws.
He did it because if the match is draw after 12 games, they enter the tie-breaks, where they play matches with shorter time controls (rapid chess, where the game lasts ~1 hour instead of classical chess, where it lasts ~5-6 hours), and if those are drawn too they'll play even shorter games (blitz, around 10 minutes). This is a problem because the championship is supposed to be about classical chess, but lately most championship titles are decided in shorter time controls.
Yeah but Garry Kasparov made a tweet bashing carlsen for offering the draw saying he lost his nerve. Personally Magnus certainly has the edge but fabiano caruana still has a decent chance, some of these draws were actually pretty entertaining games tbh.
Here's one that was finally cancelled after 48 matches because of continuous draws (before they changed the rules to switch to rapid games after game 12)
Try chess.com. Rating system means you can play social chess against other people who also don't want to work at getting better, and you'll gravitate towards a fair match pretty soon.
Honestly Blitz chess sounds way more interesting. Classical chess looks like it's basically just people trying to be computers, even if it means a "win" takes dozens of games and each game takes several hours.
The time constraint is what makes it challenging. Many more oppurtunities to fuck up and it forces you to think on the fly.
In Old Norse, karl just meant "man." As a loan word in Anglo-Saxon, carl originally meant "freeman," ie someone of middling social rank, but later came to connote "rude, rustic" ("churl").
A bit like how Caesar ("a fine head of hair") came to mean "emperor" in a bunch of languages.
I've always hung on to the etymology of karl bc of the Viking myth that explains class divisions. The father of mankind, Rigr, sires three half-brothers of different estates: Jarl, Karl, and Thrall.
One day, when Konr the young was riding through the forest hunting and snaring birds, a crow spoke to him and suggested he would win more if he stopped hunting mere birds and rode to battle against foemen, that he should seek the halls of Dan and Danp, who were wealthier than he. At that point the poem abruptly cuts off.
By the way: The numbers you see thrown around in chess threads are engine evaluations. +/-1 means that white/black is ahead by roughly the equivalent of one pawn. Since humans aren't engines, these evaluations are often meaningless and mostly retards bring them up, so be sure to laugh at everyone talking about those.
One of the greatest chess players of all time can't see a win and knows his much better in a rapids tiebreak.
r/chesscels: "WTF How can he draw, SeSSe tells me it's +1, it's an obvious checkmate, unlike all those other times it's shown +1 and it's ended in remis."
One of the greatest chess players of all time can't see a win and knows his much better in a rapids tiebreak.
r/chesscels: "WTF How can he draw, SeSSe tells me it's +1, it's an obvious checkmate, unlike all those other times it's shown +1 and it's ended in remis."
Nah, Fabiano is worse on time management. Magnus is pushing forward into blitz time controls. By drawing this game, he can try for a decisive victory because the consequence is blitz time controls.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-11-26
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1 Kilo_G_looked_up 2018-11-26
I mean, technically.
1 ineed750bucks 2018-11-26
No. Chess are sport so basically chess players are chads.
1 UnexpectedLizard 2018-11-26
It's totally not a sport, but the nerds wouldn't shut the fuck up about it, so they had to allow it.
1 seenten 2018-11-26
What ever happened to the bullies that were supposed to stuff these nerds in lockers smh
1 Trannypostingaccount 2018-11-26
They were playing cs
1 HungerArtistatlunch 2018-11-26
It is known that Carlsen plays like a pussy, and as the de facto trendsetter for chess, now everyone plays like pussies.
Gone are the 16th century high tempo openings and the 18th century creative pawn structures. This is no longer a game of creativity, just a contest to see who is more robotic than the other.
1 Baconlightning 2018-11-26
After Deepblue beat Kasparov it was inevitable.
1 DisgruntledPorcupine 2018-11-26
"Players are too good now. They should play objectively worse just to please the fans."
1 Baconlightning 2018-11-26
"WTF How dare he play to his strengths, what a fucking pussy."
1 HungerArtistatlunch 2018-11-26
I don't deny that it's good for Carlsen. It just makes for shitty chess.
1 agenderphobe 2018-11-26
If playing the game effectively is shitty, maybe the game is shitty.
1 meeep08 2018-11-26
That's basically what everyone is saying, the format of the tournament is shitty, means players don't take risks and this sort of thing can happen
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-26
Chess was always shitty.
1 airballer23 2018-11-26
lmao?
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-26
Unironically.
1 airballer23 2018-11-26
Oh. Then lmao.
1 Trannypostingaccount 2018-11-26
Only if you didn't preorder retard
1 gilmore606 2018-11-26
you're saying he's the Floyd Mayweather of chess?
1 HungerArtistatlunch 2018-11-26
Unironically yes.
1 KokomoOReily 2018-11-26
Creativity in a game we've been studying for hundreds of years is gonna bring you nothing but a loss
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
Untrue, but you'd need to actually know a little about the history of chess in the last century to realize this.
1 KokomoOReily 2018-11-26
The world championship is not the time for "creative", why put yourself in a risky situation in a high stakes tourney when you can play it safe
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
That must be why Fischer, two games down in a match against a player he'd never beaten before, did so badly when he started opening 1. d4 or playing the Benoni as Black. Oh, wait, Fischer hosed Spassky. My bad.
1 KokomoOReily 2018-11-26
Just think of how hard he would have won if he played it smart
1 aslak123 2018-11-26
If Fischer had played against the same caliber of players Magnus plays against he would have had to do exactly what Magnus does or lose.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
TIL that the so-called grand masters of the 1970s were all patzers.
1 Trannypostingaccount 2018-11-26
They are compard to losers that just have to alt-tab away from BLACKED.COM to study all the moves
1 scatmunchies 2018-11-26
Eat shit, nerd
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
Username/post combo FTW!
1 scatmunchies 2018-11-26
I was offering to shit in your mouth.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
Just because you like to munch scat, don't assume other people do.
1 aslak123 2018-11-26
In these days, creativity is made obsolete due to players prepping with engines.
1 seshfan2 2018-11-26
How so? As someone who doesn't know shit about Chess, won't we eventually reach a point where the best human players are essentially flawless and will get draw games every time? It'd be like if you had competitive tic-tac-toe.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
Well, except that tic-tac-toe is provably drawn and the strategy can be learned by a smart ten-year-old in a few minutes, whereas the total number of possible chess games far exceeds the number of atoms in the universe. No-one yet knows what "flawless" looks like, and there was something quite amazing that happened in the last couple of years: a neural network was taught to teach itself to play chess, which it did by playing against itself billions of times, and it then performed extremely impressively against existing chess engines while playing some very strange moves.
The "draw death" was predicted years ago, and by the 1920s it was looking as though Capablanca had solved chess. And then along came Alekhine and a bunch of others and showed it wasn't solved after all. It's like that rhyme about science:
Nature and Nature's laws lay robed in night;
God said "Let Newton be", and all was light.
It did not last: the devil, crying "Ho!
"Let Einstein be!" restored the status quo.
1 Trannypostingaccount 2018-11-26
They had gamer tags in the caveman ages?
1 holditsteady 2018-11-26
they should patch the game then
1 WarSanchez 2018-11-26
Needs more downloadable content and skin packs tbh.
1 holditsteady 2018-11-26
definitely needs dlc and lootboxes, but they already have skins https://www.amazon.com/Simpsons-Chess-Laminated-fold-up-playing/dp/B00006653F
1 WarSanchez 2018-11-26
Kill me where I stand please
1 Metal_Charizard 2018-11-26
The Simpsons chess set has existed for at least 15 years and is great fun, don't hate.
1 seshfan2 2018-11-26
We need Chess 2.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-11-26
... Wouldn't double bishop just be another Queen?
1 leva549 2018-11-26
I guess it would be also able to move 1 space in any direction then along the diagonals. Pawn with a Gun would be able to capture up to two spaces ahead of it.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
I think Capablanca once recommended a 10 x 8 rectangular board with two new pieces, a Rook/Knight combo and a Bishop/Knight combo. But then it turned out that there was still life in the old game yet.
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RHLtx9r2LA
1 holditsteady 2018-11-26
i forgot about this video. its hilarious
1 HungerArtistatlunch 2018-11-26
What chess really needs is microtransactions.
1 moush 2018-11-26
Because it's literally solved.
1 Snowayne2 2018-11-26
It literally isn't tho.
1 BumwineBaudelaire 2018-11-26
I thought deep blue or whatever can now see literally every possible move and play the mathematically correct one every time
1 Snowayne2 2018-11-26
Hell no, the only reason engines are as good as they are, even with the strongest hardware, is that they severely restrict the number of moves they even look at.
For all we know, "solving" chess, i.e. looking at all possible moves seems to be impossible if our understanding of physics isn't completely revolutionized.
1 aj_thenoob 2018-11-26
No it's literally not.
1 UhhUmmmWowOkayJeezUh 2018-11-26
I didn't know Bobby Fischer posted on /r/chess
1 SeattleFingers 2018-11-26
This dude sounds like a salty Kasparov after he lost to 14 year old Magnus.
1 pacman_sl 2018-11-26
Kasparov never lost to Carlsen, only won a rapid match 1½-½ when everyone expected 2-0.
1 HungerArtistatlunch 2018-11-26
If I was Bobby Fischer, I would have mentioned the Jews at least once.
1 aX10mAt1CaL1Y 2018-11-26
Or how much you hate women.
1 UhhUmmmWowOkayJeezUh 2018-11-26
If Bobby Fischer was still alive he'd be listening to Infowars and tweeting lots of words surrounded by tripple parentheses
1 aslak123 2018-11-26
That is not at all Carlsen fault. If he wants to be the best he has to play like a computer, if it isn't him it will just be someone else.
1 JeanPeuplu 2018-11-26
200 comments in 15mn.
1 POST_BUSSY 2018-11-26
#ChessGate
1 blogit_ 2018-11-26
TL;DR: It's the last game in a 12 game match. Magnus Carlsen, the champion, offered a draw in a better position and while his opponent, Fabiano Caruana, was low on time. All 11 games before this were also draws.
He did it because if the match is draw after 12 games, they enter the tie-breaks, where they play matches with shorter time controls (rapid chess, where the game lasts ~1 hour instead of classical chess, where it lasts ~5-6 hours), and if those are drawn too they'll play even shorter games (blitz, around 10 minutes). This is a problem because the championship is supposed to be about classical chess, but lately most championship titles are decided in shorter time controls.
1 HungerArtistatlunch 2018-11-26
Also there's the fact that Carlsen is probably the best rapid chess player in the world, so the tiebreakers are his bread and butter.
1 UhhUmmmWowOkayJeezUh 2018-11-26
Yeah but Garry Kasparov made a tweet bashing carlsen for offering the draw saying he lost his nerve. Personally Magnus certainly has the edge but fabiano caruana still has a decent chance, some of these draws were actually pretty entertaining games tbh.
1 Baconlightning 2018-11-26
Kasparov is just salty lmao
1 UhhUmmmWowOkayJeezUh 2018-11-26
True he's probably just eternally salty after losing a few games to judit polgar, the prime chess thot, and 14 year old Magnus after all these years.
1 Matthew94 2018-11-26
/r/drama needs to be burned
1 E_G_Never 2018-11-26
You're saying that like it's news
1 SuperElf 2018-11-26
1 YoshiEgg25 2018-11-26
I think the Twitch users saying that Carlsen offered a draw because he had to go pee are right tbh
1 Snowayne2 2018-11-26
In case you are serious, the players get up, walk around and go to the toilet during the game all the time.
1 BeanerShnitzel 2018-11-26
NERD!!!
1 fire_strika 2018-11-26
carlsen will ass rape caruana in blitz games
1 PM_ME_UR_NIPPLES_BAE 2018-11-26
Professional chess matches take 5-6 hours? Fuck me that sounds like torture
1 aslak123 2018-11-26
"Chess is mental torture"
-Garry Kasparov
1 mattnotgeorge 2018-11-26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1984
Here's one that was finally cancelled after 48 matches because of continuous draws (before they changed the rules to switch to rapid games after game 12)
1 PM_ME_UR_NIPPLES_BAE 2018-11-26
5 fucking months are you kidding me
1 XakeMarte 2018-11-26
The chad chess the virgin videogames
1 wewladin 2018-11-26
Holy fuck one game at 6 hours? Lel
1 PM_ME_YA_TATTAS 2018-11-26
i'm not sure if I'm too stupid or too smart to watch chess championship
1 Chukril 2018-11-26
It’s for people who think rote memorization is the epitome of intelligence
1 Chicup 2018-11-26
That was the point in my life I got bored with chess. I was 12.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
lol at the 12-year-old who thinks he knows everything there is to know about chess.
1 Chicup 2018-11-26
I didn't, but getting better was boring. I didn't want to study opening moves or so and sos technique. I just wanted to play a game.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
Try chess.com. Rating system means you can play social chess against other people who also don't want to work at getting better, and you'll gravitate towards a fair match pretty soon.
1 DistortedLines 2018-11-26
I love that site tbh
1 KingWayneX 2018-11-26
I knew you autists were my type of (people)
1 Mother_Jabubu 2018-11-26
Blitz chess is pretty fun to watch. These matches can last 5+ hours tho best to just watch a recap
1 seshfan2 2018-11-26
Honestly Blitz chess sounds way more interesting. Classical chess looks like it's basically just people trying to be computers, even if it means a "win" takes dozens of games and each game takes several hours.
The time constraint is what makes it challenging. Many more oppurtunities to fuck up and it forces you to think on the fly.
1 MoonCricketJamFace 2018-11-26
Chess boxing is way better.
https://youtu.be/kK5TQSKmS3o
1 DistortedLines 2018-11-26
Chess is actually really fun cmv
1 Baconlightning 2018-11-26
Classical Chess is basically a Tour de France in the amount of time it takes. Rapids is pretty fun though, at least something happens.
1 Snowayne2 2018-11-26
I like blitz because it just looks like 2 people beating up the clock.
1 DistortedLines 2018-11-26
That's fair
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-26
Man u got fucked by your phone if you think 45 minutes is a long time
1 automatic_cluck 2018-11-26
virgin board game vs chad card game
1 -Steve_French- 2018-11-26
Vs Thad marble game
1 InZim 2018-11-26
explain thad
1 Jimbo_B_Beterson 2018-11-26
Thads the dude who sweeps up all the Gussy Chad and virgin don't even notice
1 WarSanchez 2018-11-26
So the fatties.
1 Jimbo_B_Beterson 2018-11-26
A few Beckys too
1 Haurmumgay 2018-11-26
https://youtu.be/X0jN2FzguD8
1 Phantom_Engineer 2018-11-26
Canasta forever, bridge never.
1 Nerdlinger 2018-11-26
Are you talking that variant played in History of the World, Part I?
1 poopy_pant_poster 2018-11-26
chess , like many games/sports, is only fun when both people are bad at it
1 reallyrunningnow 2018-11-26
The Chess world champ says otherwise.
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-26
If you have to be massivly autistic to be good at something, it's bad.
1 aX10mAt1CaL1Y 2018-11-26
But you have to be massively autistic to be good at anything.
1 LightUmbra 2018-11-26
Good point everything is bad.
1 hitlerallyliteral 2018-11-26
you really quickly hit the ceiling where the only way to get better is to memorise more combinations from books
1 transoceanicdeath 2018-11-26
oh yeah? what's your tactics rating?
1 snooger 2018-11-26
wtf lmao just do the tactics online, it’s all muscle memory what’s the point of straight up memorising combinations.
1 yespleaseifyoucan 2018-11-26
Yes
1 badukbingepurge 2018-11-26
play go instead don't be a cuck
1 nanonan 2018-11-26
You're only mostly wrong. It's occasionally fun to play, but definitely boring as all hell to watch.
1 trilateral1 2018-11-26
The OG roguelike
1 HerpDerpDrone 2018-11-26
U r gay lmao XD
1 22333444455555666666 2018-11-26
magnus is such a daddy-tier name
1 zergling_Lester 2018-11-26
Magnus Karlssen literally means a great son of a king, pretty dope.
1 preserved_fish 2018-11-26
In Old Norse, karl just meant "man." As a loan word in Anglo-Saxon, carl originally meant "freeman," ie someone of middling social rank, but later came to connote "rude, rustic" ("churl").
1 zergling_Lester 2018-11-26
Oh, that's interesting. Apparently the kingship connotation in Slavic languages (and a bit in others too) is because of Charlemagne who conquered them among other things: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/korljь
OK, then Magnuss Carlsen literally means The Great Son of Man.
1 preserved_fish 2018-11-26
A bit like how Caesar ("a fine head of hair") came to mean "emperor" in a bunch of languages.
I've always hung on to the etymology of karl bc of the Viking myth that explains class divisions. The father of mankind, Rigr, sires three half-brothers of different estates: Jarl, Karl, and Thrall.
1 zergling_Lester 2018-11-26
LMAO
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-11-26
Seriously? I'm laughing right now because IIRC old Gaius Julius had as fine a head of hair as a hard-boiled egg.
1 preserved_fish 2018-11-26
His ancestors went pretty far back in Roman history. I'm sure he was aware of the irony.
1 Trannypostingaccount 2018-11-26
Just think about it, at some point it would have meant pincushion instead.
1 wewladin 2018-11-26
Gimme etymology on chud next
Or post hog. Ur choice.
1 SeattleFingers 2018-11-26
Magnus is so daddy-tier. He manages to be world champion without sperging about the Jews.
1 retarded4bustin 2018-11-26
Fischer was totally daddy tier you filthy commie.
1 Snowayne2 2018-11-26
By the way: The numbers you see thrown around in chess threads are engine evaluations. +/-1 means that white/black is ahead by roughly the equivalent of one pawn. Since humans aren't engines, these evaluations are often meaningless and mostly retards bring them up, so be sure to laugh at everyone talking about those.
1 Baconlightning 2018-11-26
r/chesscels: "WTF How can he draw, SeSSe tells me it's +1, it's an obvious checkmate, unlike all those other times it's shown +1 and it's ended in remis."
1 Anus_of_Aeneas 2018-11-26
Yeah I really can't understand why anyone thinks the guy makes mustakes.
1 Baconlightning 2018-11-26
r/chesscels: "WTF How can he draw, SeSSe tells me it's +1, it's an obvious checkmate, unlike all those other times it's shown +1 and it's ended in remis."
1 Baconlightning 2018-11-26
Relevant
1 mrspermstains 2018-11-26
jesus 12 draws
1 boyoyoyoyong 2018-11-26
Til people actually watch chess
1 Matthew94 2018-11-26
lmao
1 wewladin 2018-11-26
Fkn nerds.
1 Matthew94 2018-11-26
lamo
1 The-Gaming-Alien 2018-11-26
no u
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2018-11-26
I don't understand how time works in competitive chess.
1 KokomoOReily 2018-11-26
U got a clock that runs when its ur turn
1 maddiepilz 2018-11-26
Each player gets a certain amount of time on his clock, and every time it's one guy's move, his time is running down.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2018-11-26
OK, that makes some sense.
1 Chicup 2018-11-26
Finally, drama more boring than Thot drama.
1 CALAMITYFOX 2018-11-26
Why are so many Cress experts subscribed to /r/Drama ?
1 MaitreDuLogos 2018-11-26
Because autistic people are usually good at chess
1 WistopherWalken 2018-11-26
Finally realized that the only winning move is not to play
1 thewokenman 2018-11-26
Magnus is such a fucking heel. This is like the Chess equivalent of using a weapon to keep your title from a DQ
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-11-26
He's the Ric Flair of chess?
1 SaIvadora 2018-11-26
I love chess but have no clue how to play it well.
1 friend1y 2018-11-26
Nah, Fabiano is worse on time management. Magnus is pushing forward into blitz time controls. By drawing this game, he can try for a decisive victory because the consequence is blitz time controls.
The games are fantastic.
1 GunOfSod 2018-11-26
Doesn't seem like a very diverse matchup to me. Can you really call yourself a chess champion if you're not even female?