chapo is small enough that the drama wouldnt be that big, im just waiting for the inevitable where TD fucks up hard enough they manage to get banned. Gaurentee rightoids would freak out to the point where fox reports on it and daddy tweets about evil reddit.
not what is happening. All the bans will be lifted after the voting goes away. This is just to stop the brigading until the vote that was passed to remove the voting goes through since the mods had no choice in implementing this. Admins just slapped it on and said fuck em'.
I've got serious doubts that allowing a CTH brigade to continue is a good thing. They made a post saying they explictly mean to flood out libertarians. Letting them back in would be neglect.
the lolbertarians realize that they too need to build a wall.
Which is the primary vulnerability of libertarian freedom--that such freedom will be used by a group to gain power over others. It's a perfect microcosm of the issue, really.
yeah, that's why libertarianism (or any primarily anarchist ideology, for that matter) doesn't work: there is nothing in place to stop a tyranny of the majority imposing it's will on the minority, nor are there any safeguards against those who want to seize power by force.
That's literally what's happening on r/libertarian right now: they're learning that when there are no rules protecting anyone, it's very easy to have some group who wishes you ill (in this case the lads at Chapo) take control.
That's literally what's happening on r/libertarian right now: they're learning that when there are no rules protecting anyone, it's very easy to have some group who wishes you ill (in this case the lads at Chapo) take control.
Yeah it sure sucks that we live in a libertarian society where this happened to /r/libertarianism, I'm sure this wouldn't have happened under some other feasible alternative system.
Sure, the same thing can happen under other systems, but anarchist systems are much more prone to it than almost any other. It's their main flaw: when they work as they're intended to, they're inherently self-sabotaging. No other government system is quite as hilariously self-destructive.
Again, sure, that's true for a number of different systems, including good and successful ones like democratic republics.
However, there are still safeguards against revolt and invasion and shit in place in more moderate forms of government, while an inherent and necessary criteria for any ancap or ancom state is the lack of (realistic) safeguards.
Some ancaps and ancoms talk about "well but what about a citizen's militia?" as if that's a good argument, but it isn't. Come on, let's be real, how is a group that trains maybe once a month for a weekend and has a small to nonexistent budget going to compete against a well-trained professional standing army?
And if you want a well-trained professional standing army of your own, you need a budget, and *gasp* taxes, and probably at least a rudimentary government body to oversee the army and make sure it's running smoothly.
Imagine being the guy youre responding to, and needing to read all that to un-retard yourself but it still doesnt work because youre so committed to being a libertarian.
Sadly imagining a libertarian commune being conquered is far beyond autistic brain capacity.
This isn't like that at all, but a retard could certainly tell themselves that to give themselves a tiny buzz of illusory superiority to someone else. So, congratulations.
No, human nature taking over and the bigger/more powerful group running roughshod over the smaller groups that stick by their silly libertarian ideals. That’s what it would look like.
thats already what happens now. at least in a libertarian society since the individuals keep most of their money and there is even less regulation and rule making there isnt a big likelyhood that rich people latch themselves on to one of those governmental bodies to corner more of the market than they would have otherwise. this is like, the exact opposite of what would happen in a libertarian society.
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1 Phantom_Engineer 2018-12-01
I don't really know what exactly is going on but it sure seems dramatic. I guess users can vote on how subs are run (but only certain subs).
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-12-01
Nerdstalnacht
1 RandolphCox 2018-12-01
I unironically think Chapo posters should be banned. They suck and the amount they would freak out would be funny
1 allendrio 2018-12-01
chapo is small enough that the drama wouldnt be that big, im just waiting for the inevitable where TD fucks up hard enough they manage to get banned. Gaurentee rightoids would freak out to the point where fox reports on it and daddy tweets about evil reddit.
1 RandolphCox 2018-12-01
ya man it would be kickass if Reddit was just libs. totes dunk on em. we shouldnt ban chapo you are right.
1 allendrio 2018-12-01
never said we shouldnt ban chapo, just said drama wouldnt be that great, i dont care either way myself but LSC def needs the gulag.
Also
as dr memerson says: "Clean your room."
1 RandolphCox 2018-12-01
Im sorry I just get worked up when talkin about chapo and can’t control my anger
1 JayBaumanManhole 2018-12-01
It's okay
1 Tobans 2018-12-01
Angry posting is autistic af
1 RandolphCox 2018-12-01
I have aspergers and I’m not ashamed of it and I’m actually happy I have it.
1 Tobans 2018-12-01
Oh Christ. This is good. I'm happy for you, friend. I'm sorry your mom had you vaccinated 😢😢 I hope you get better soon 😊😊
1 ThePfaffanater 2018-12-01
not what is happening. All the bans will be lifted after the voting goes away. This is just to stop the brigading until the vote that was passed to remove the voting goes through since the mods had no choice in implementing this. Admins just slapped it on and said fuck em'.
1 SnapshillBot 2018-12-01
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1 jewdanksdad 2018-12-01
Lolbertarians. Idiots
1 Shark_life 2018-12-01
the lolbertarians realize that they too need to build a wall.
1 ThePfaffanater 2018-12-01
untill they can finally get rid of the system the Admins put on them without their approval .
1 Nerdlinger 2018-12-01
So libertarians are given a taste of what a libertarian world would be like and they hate it?
This is such a wonderful Christmas gift. Thank you, admins!
1 Awayfone 2018-12-01
Not really though. the stupid experiment is more like the world deciding what a ten person club is going to do
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-01
Which is the primary vulnerability of libertarian freedom--that such freedom will be used by a group to gain power over others. It's a perfect microcosm of the issue, really.
1 Automaticus 2018-12-01
Hot take, libertarianism is appealing to autists because they are extremely maladjusted to people's intentions and motivations.
1 e-guy 2018-12-01
yeah, that's why libertarianism (or any primarily anarchist ideology, for that matter) doesn't work: there is nothing in place to stop a tyranny of the majority imposing it's will on the minority, nor are there any safeguards against those who want to seize power by force.
That's literally what's happening on r/libertarian right now: they're learning that when there are no rules protecting anyone, it's very easy to have some group who wishes you ill (in this case the lads at Chapo) take control.
1 mtg_liebestod 2018-12-01
Yeah it sure sucks that we live in a libertarian society where this happened to /r/libertarianism, I'm sure this wouldn't have happened under some other feasible alternative system.
1 e-guy 2018-12-01
Sure, the same thing can happen under other systems, but anarchist systems are much more prone to it than almost any other. It's their main flaw: when they work as they're intended to, they're inherently self-sabotaging. No other government system is quite as hilariously self-destructive.
1 mtg_liebestod 2018-12-01
Name any sort of system that's actually supposed to be desirable where this argument can't glibly be made.
1 e-guy 2018-12-01
Again, sure, that's true for a number of different systems, including good and successful ones like democratic republics.
However, there are still safeguards against revolt and invasion and shit in place in more moderate forms of government, while an inherent and necessary criteria for any ancap or ancom state is the lack of (realistic) safeguards.
Some ancaps and ancoms talk about "well but what about a citizen's militia?" as if that's a good argument, but it isn't. Come on, let's be real, how is a group that trains maybe once a month for a weekend and has a small to nonexistent budget going to compete against a well-trained professional standing army?
And if you want a well-trained professional standing army of your own, you need a budget, and *gasp* taxes, and probably at least a rudimentary government body to oversee the army and make sure it's running smoothly.
1 Automaticus 2018-12-01
Imagine being the guy youre responding to, and needing to read all that to un-retard yourself but it still doesnt work because youre so committed to being a libertarian.
Sadly imagining a libertarian commune being conquered is far beyond autistic brain capacity.
1 ThePfaffanater 2018-12-01
Libertarianism is not in favor of direct democracy, lol. Libertarianism is an ideology to strive for not an endgoal that exists.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-12-01
it do be like dat, doe
1 nmx179 2018-12-01
This isn't like that at all, but a retard could certainly tell themselves that to give themselves a tiny buzz of illusory superiority to someone else. So, congratulations.
1 timsboss 2018-12-01
Not at all. Libertarianism is not in favor of direct democracy.
1 Nerdlinger 2018-12-01
I didn’t say they got a taste of libertarianism, I said they got a taste of what such a world would actually be like.
1 mtg_liebestod 2018-12-01
Direct democracy is what a libertarian world would look like?
1 Nerdlinger 2018-12-01
No, human nature taking over and the bigger/more powerful group running roughshod over the smaller groups that stick by their silly libertarian ideals. That’s what it would look like.
1 mtg_liebestod 2018-12-01
That's a critique of every non-authoritarian system. Hmm.
1 ThePathToOne 2018-12-01
thats already what happens now. at least in a libertarian society since the individuals keep most of their money and there is even less regulation and rule making there isnt a big likelyhood that rich people latch themselves on to one of those governmental bodies to corner more of the market than they would have otherwise. this is like, the exact opposite of what would happen in a libertarian society.
1 Automaticus 2018-12-01
1 Automaticus 2018-12-01
No it would look like somalia