I am not sure which is more cringey, the litany of erroneous assumptions you splayed out or the act of calling upon the student archetype with the intent of derision. Anti-intellectualism, check. src
When you condense centuries of national level economics and politics to a single word (communism/capitalism), hence taking out any and all nuance from the discussion, are you really that surprised that people end up acting like turbo autists and blindly circlejerk to own the [other side]?
Ed's not stupid, he just wields emojis as blunt hammers on the elusive qualities of the world in a manner indistinguishable from an actual Down's patient. It's a kind of deconstruction of language that I for one heartily applaud.
Computers were literally developed by the government for 30 years until they shifted it to the private market, which they still had to support through putting Apple computers in every public school for like a decade so we could play Oregon trail, then finally the private market became sustainable. Paul Allen himself said they wouldn’t have survived without the school system.
I know you need to be ignorant as fuck to be a commie in the first place, but come on.
I'm saying that if a nation has capitalism as its economy, that's a capitalist state. So if a state provides water as a public utility, or punishes businesses for dumping toxic waste into rivers, it doesn't cease to be a capitalist state.
It's funny cause you're wrong. What I'm saying is there's nothing communist in a government providing utilities or regulating commerce. You have access to things like clean water not in spite of capitalism, but because of it, whether or not it's the government providing the utility. Capitalist state.
In a communist state, it would be communism providing access to resources. In a capitalist state, access to resources is organized by a capitalist economy. That's what an economy is, after all.
Capitalism didn't invent clean water. It gives you access to it, if you live in a capitalist state. You pay money for your utilities like everything else. This is less than basic stuff here.
TIL no human civilization had access to clean water before market economies. Also I don't pay a private entity for access to clean water because my country isn't run by retards like yourself.
If you pay money for water, your access to that resource is granted by money. That's how capitalism works. I can't imagine not being able to grasp this 😹😹😹
I dont pay money for water. Unless your argument is that tax's = capitalism. Then your argument would entail every government ever being capitalism. From communist DPRK to the USSR. Which is ironically most communists defense of those regimes. Proving at least that you are as retarded as communists.
I don't live where you live. So I don't know why you keep talking about where you live. I'm just pointing this out. You said:
Everything you said was capitalism was the result of government regulation of capitalism tho
Which is not true. You don't have a computer or clean water in a capitalist state because of regulation, you have them because you pay money for them. The government may provide services but you don't get them here for free. And I suspect VladmirWhatHisNuts who I was replying to in the first place also lives in a capitalist state, because very, very rarely would you ever hear someone living under communism saying communism is good, and very, very rarely would you have someone living under communism who could post freely on reddit. So, I assume that everything I said in my original comment which got posted to ChapoTankieHouse is true. I have no other reason to believe otherwise, and you certainly haven't provided a reasonable argument against my position. Unless you count you not understanding the debate to begin with.
, which they still had to support through putting Apple computers in every public school for like a decade so we could play Oregon trail
I think it is disengious to say they require goverment support. There was a campaign to get computer into class rooms (just like there is now) which job took advantage of for yes but it cost the company millions. It was a highly risk ploy that ultimately work while being part plain old philanthropy.
Basically they ran a marketing campaign. Kids using free computer in school lead to buying full price computers at home.
I do wonder how old the poster is, most of my schools used Microsoft products (around mid nineties) I assume because they were cheaper
It cost Apple $1M to unload $21M worth of gear, which was only possible with legislation they lobbied for to get tax rebates for their scheme, and they had no market before that.
Revenue, not profit, but fair enough. Regardless the product Apple was seeking was created in the public domain and refined by them. The public never gets a dividend for their investment, and in return they pay above market rate because the government grants the same companies patents.
It’s not just computers, the pharmaceutical industry is the same, telecoms before computers were the same, and the plethora of defense contractors like Boeing who develop commercial products on the backs of defense contracts are the same. Their intellectual property was developed with public resources but they exclusively get the profits at monopoly prices.
Then you have defense contractors who don’t even had a commercial market like Lockheed who is just a private arm of the government who should have no rights to profits whatsoever.
Anyway, unlike the herr derr here, I wasn’t claiming it’s communist or whatever. It’s standard industrial policy, but it has nothing to do with free markets or any sort of text book definition of capitalism, and pretty much how every developed country has developed itself.
Jobs was forced out in 85 for being both massively retarded and a piece of shit so large Bono looks like a mere turtle head, and didnt come back till 97.
John Sculley was the one who put the 2e in schools back in the day.
Microsoft also practically gave computers away to schools to lock people in their ecosystem and coupled it with subsidized instruction for teachers to help with that.
I mean the main thing I'm not sure of is, is he saying apple wouldn't have survived without government money, because that's certainly true and kind of trivial, or is he saying the entire computing industry wouldn't have survived without apple computing getting government money, because that seems pretty fucking dumb.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-12-02
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1 TSwizzlesNipples 2018-12-02
Those fucking mouth-breathers can ping and we can't? Bullshit.
1 regionalfire 2018-12-02
They can't ban any tankie subs or else they will go "Bu... but what about The_Donald?" Spez doesn't want to have both retards on him
1 Dspacefear 2018-12-02
Didn't fullcom get quarantined already, though?
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-02
After years of breaking rules. Right wing shit doesn't get that kind of slack.
1 aX10mAt1CaL1Y 2018-12-02
But half of us are tankies.
1 memoryplays 2018-12-02
spez already has enough of them on him
1 slinkymaster 2018-12-02
I’m here bro.
1 throwawayaccount_34 2018-12-02
Just ping them in their own threads
1 Awayfone 2018-12-02
Admins basically acknowledged they brigraded libertarian, see how that is working
1 Baconlightning 2018-12-02
“Communism is when the government does stuff” has become a leftist talking point now? We’re truly living in a bizarro timeline.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-12-02
When you condense centuries of national level economics and politics to a single word (communism/capitalism), hence taking out any and all nuance from the discussion, are you really that surprised that people end up acting like turbo autists and blindly circlejerk to own the [other side]?
TLDR: BUSSY LMAO
1 TheColdTurtle 2018-12-02
Ed with the smartest comment he ever posted. Proud of you!
1 binenut 2018-12-02
Ed's not stupid, he just wields emojis as blunt hammers on the elusive qualities of the world in a manner indistinguishable from an actual Down's patient. It's a kind of deconstruction of language that I for one heartily applaud.
1 Jimbo_B_Beterson 2018-12-02
I dunno, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-12-02
Damn. It's like it's consciousness finally came online shortly after the last "😴😴😴" post.
Where do we go from here? How should we conceptualize this new Ed?
I imagine this is what young adults feel after one of their parents comes out as transgender.
1 kxxzy 2018-12-02
Ed blowing people out
Nice
1 TheBlightStar 2018-12-02
Ed must have run out of Netflix shit. Hes making too much sense recently.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-02
Did you leave your account logged on in an internet cafe?
1 kaczynskireborn 2018-12-02
SENTIENT
1 TheRootinTootinPutin 2018-12-02
This is literally the best Ed comment I have read in drama, ever since Ed's inception
1 Agenda_Poster 2018-12-02
Really made me think for once LMAO 😂
1 lyridsreign 2018-12-02
Ed posting shit that makes sense and not Lawlz tier shitposting? I'm impressed.
1 retarded4bustin 2018-12-02
Is this the start of the Ed redemption arc?
1 error404brain 2018-12-02
Internet commies are what happen when you take the most retarded set out of the extremely online losers.
1 slinkymaster 2018-12-02
Real capitalism is when the government creates the market but takes none of the profits.
1 scatmunchies 2018-12-02
I know you need to be ignorant as fuck to be a commie in the first place, but come on.
1 slinkymaster 2018-12-02
Gottem
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-12-02
He's right. Remember how Al Gore worked to create the internet?
1 dramasexual 2018-12-02
Well you definitely need to go on a calorie deficit you fat fucc
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
You may not like it, but this is what peak physical form looks like.
1 e-guy 2018-12-02
😍🤤😍🤤😍
👏👏💦
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-12-02
ahem*
Also, notice the on fleek fashion sense
1 OldSpentQueen 2018-12-02
Blaha is Bae 👅💦🍑
1 GunOfSod 2018-12-02
Humans and Gorillas share 98% common DNA.
1 oss_spy 2018-12-02
Actually not the worst
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Everything you said was capitalism was the result of government regulation of capitalism tho
1 trilateral1 2018-12-02
oh sweatypore. government regulation isn't communism.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
It's not capitalism either
1 trilateral1 2018-12-02
what do you think capitalism is
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Are you saying government intervention in markets is capitalism? If not, what is your disagrrement?
1 TheColdTurtle 2018-12-02
"The only true capitalism is buying recreational nukes to sell my child slaves with McDonalds playcoins"
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
This but unironically
1 Phantom_Engineer 2018-12-02
You are objectively worse than a tankie. At least they can say that they have strong leadership (if not food).
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-12-02
This but unironically
1 PDaviss 2018-12-02
Confirmed marxist 😎
1 Awayfone 2018-12-02
... I never notice , that is a thing
1 nanonan 2018-12-02
At an absolute minimum you need a justice system that can enforce contracts.
1 Earl_of_Grab 2018-12-02
Don't you people think that our economic systems have been gamed by oligarchs for their own benefit? Do you want regulation or not?
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Who is 'you people'?
1 Earl_of_Grab 2018-12-02
Commies, socialists, pinkos, assumong you were one. It's not really fair to call them people I guess.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
A capitalist state is capitalism.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Are you saying that the Iraq war was capitalism?
1 DonnyBravoKingofEire 2018-12-02
No, I would call it more of an armed conflict.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
Wut
I'm saying that if a nation has capitalism as its economy, that's a capitalist state. So if a state provides water as a public utility, or punishes businesses for dumping toxic waste into rivers, it doesn't cease to be a capitalist state.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Ah, so the answer was "literally everything is capitlism you retard, you utter moron"
Thank you for your sacrifice
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
That's obviously not what I said. But thank you for providing yet more evidence that communists are the last people we should allow to govern.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
It is essentially what you said, but I think youre too dumb fo realize it.
The only thing you've posted so far that wasn't blitheringly retarded
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
It's funny cause you're wrong. What I'm saying is there's nothing communist in a government providing utilities or regulating commerce. You have access to things like clean water not in spite of capitalism, but because of it, whether or not it's the government providing the utility. Capitalist state.
In a communist state, it would be communism providing access to resources. In a capitalist state, access to resources is organized by a capitalist economy. That's what an economy is, after all.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
I'd be interested in reading the post you think youre replying to where I claimed anything was communism.
It's also interesting how you think capitalism invented clean water.
And by interesting, I mean you are a literal retard
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
Capitalism didn't invent clean water. It gives you access to it, if you live in a capitalist state. You pay money for your utilities like everything else. This is less than basic stuff here.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
TIL no human civilization had access to clean water before market economies. Also I don't pay a private entity for access to clean water because my country isn't run by retards like yourself.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
If you pay money for water, your access to that resource is granted by money. That's how capitalism works. I can't imagine not being able to grasp this 😹😹😹
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
I dont pay money for water. Unless your argument is that tax's = capitalism. Then your argument would entail every government ever being capitalism. From communist DPRK to the USSR. Which is ironically most communists defense of those regimes. Proving at least that you are as retarded as communists.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
I don't live where you live. So I don't know why you keep talking about where you live. I'm just pointing this out. You said:
Which is not true. You don't have a computer or clean water in a capitalist state because of regulation, you have them because you pay money for them. The government may provide services but you don't get them here for free. And I suspect VladmirWhatHisNuts who I was replying to in the first place also lives in a capitalist state, because very, very rarely would you ever hear someone living under communism saying communism is good, and very, very rarely would you have someone living under communism who could post freely on reddit. So, I assume that everything I said in my original comment which got posted to ChapoTankieHouse is true. I have no other reason to believe otherwise, and you certainly haven't provided a reasonable argument against my position. Unless you count you not understanding the debate to begin with.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Jesus fucking christ learn to format your spergout if you expect people to read it
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
Thank you for admitting you, just like all communists, can't engage in debate without retreating.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
I'm not the one using communist arguments dude. Check yo self
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
Communists: capitalism keeps everyone hydrated!
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
It's like you're in a competition to be the most retarded drama poster and you're winning
1 nmx179 2018-12-02
It sure as shit wasn't the result of communism.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Thanks, I was wandering what the retard perspectice on this was.
1 nmx179 2018-12-02
Don't you have a hundred million of your own people to starve and gulag, somewhere?
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Everyone on the planet who doesn't worships daddies sweaty balls is a communist
1 nmx179 2018-12-02
Are you high on fentanyl or just your own unmoored ego?
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-02
Whynotboth.mayo.bmp
1 PDaviss 2018-12-02
Trotsky was a trump supporter with that logic lol
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-02
Lol you think capitalism is literally anarchism?
1 BasicallyADoctor 2018-12-02
communism is when the government does ANYTHING
1 NotchDidNothingWrong 2018-12-02
So...capitalism.
1 ten0haika 2018-12-02
WHY THTHE FUCK DO TANKIES GET TO PING
1 Awayfone 2018-12-02
I think it is disengious to say they require goverment support. There was a campaign to get computer into class rooms (just like there is now) which job took advantage of for yes but it cost the company millions. It was a highly risk ploy that ultimately work while being part plain old philanthropy.
Basically they ran a marketing campaign. Kids using free computer in school lead to buying full price computers at home.
I do wonder how old the poster is, most of my schools used Microsoft products (around mid nineties) I assume because they were cheaper
1 slinkymaster 2018-12-02
It cost Apple $1M to unload $21M worth of gear, which was only possible with legislation they lobbied for to get tax rebates for their scheme, and they had no market before that.
I’m in my mid 30’s.
1 Awayfone 2018-12-02
Years before they donated to schools Apple already made 49 million in one year.
1 slinkymaster 2018-12-02
Revenue, not profit, but fair enough. Regardless the product Apple was seeking was created in the public domain and refined by them. The public never gets a dividend for their investment, and in return they pay above market rate because the government grants the same companies patents.
It’s not just computers, the pharmaceutical industry is the same, telecoms before computers were the same, and the plethora of defense contractors like Boeing who develop commercial products on the backs of defense contracts are the same. Their intellectual property was developed with public resources but they exclusively get the profits at monopoly prices.
Then you have defense contractors who don’t even had a commercial market like Lockheed who is just a private arm of the government who should have no rights to profits whatsoever.
Anyway, unlike the herr derr here, I wasn’t claiming it’s communist or whatever. It’s standard industrial policy, but it has nothing to do with free markets or any sort of text book definition of capitalism, and pretty much how every developed country has developed itself.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-12-02
Annnd, here's your problem.
1 degorius 2018-12-02
Jobs was forced out in 85 for being both massively retarded and a piece of shit so large Bono looks like a mere turtle head, and didnt come back till 97.
John Sculley was the one who put the 2e in schools back in the day.
Microsoft also practically gave computers away to schools to lock people in their ecosystem and coupled it with subsidized instruction for teachers to help with that.
1 nmx179 2018-12-02
I mean the main thing I'm not sure of is, is he saying apple wouldn't have survived without government money, because that's certainly true and kind of trivial, or is he saying the entire computing industry wouldn't have survived without apple computing getting government money, because that seems pretty fucking dumb.
1 DistortedLines 2018-12-02
Communism will win!
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2018-12-02
Go back to Tay posting. This is much more pathetic.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
You have been visited by communist grandmother. Many sharing on your family. Sharing of image 10 other comrades for nothing but the Motherland.
1 DistortedLines 2018-12-02
Awww
1 cruelandusual 2018-12-02
Is he asking us for penis pics?
1 captainpriapism 2018-12-02
lol nice they actually made a topic on your post thats quite the accomplishment
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-12-02
https://media.giphy.com/media/C1L8yq5ZEz0cg/giphy.gif
1 memoryplays 2018-12-02
awesome work, great job
1 DAE_LeDumpfLOL 2018-12-02
Show hog
1 Wild_Hunt 2018-12-02
How come Chapsticks can ping 😡