I’m riddled with shame. White shame. This isn’t helpful to me or to anyone, especially people of color. I feel like there is no “me” outside of my white/upper middle class/cisgender identity. I feel like my literal existence hurts people, like I’m always taking up space that should belong to someone else.

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It’s a good song and shouldn’t be b&nd but it’s also rapey af.

implying that's a bad thing

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It's only rapey if you have no idea how people talk, act, or related to each other.

The neighbors might think (Baby it's bad out there)

Say what's in this drink? (No cabs to be had out there)

I wish I knew how (Your eyes are like starlight now)

To break this spell (I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell)

I ought to say no, no, no sir (Mind if move in closer?)

At least I'm gonna say that I tried (What's the sense of hurtin' my pride?)

I really can't stay (Baby don't hold out) Ah, you're very pushy you know?

I like to think of it as opportunistic

I simply must go (Baby it's cold outside)

The answer is no (But baby it's cold outside)

If that’s really how you interact with other people than I’m wondering how many restraining orders have been granted against you and or sexual harassment lawsuits have you fended off?

Lets do the full lyrics..

I really can't stay (Baby it's cold outside) I gotta go away (Baby it's cold outside) This evening has been (Been hoping that you'd dropped in) So very nice (I'll hold your hands they're just like ice) My mother will start to worry (Beautiful what's your hurry?) My father will be pacing the floor (Listen to the fireplace roar) So really I'd better scurry (Beautiful please don't hurry) Well maybe just a half a drink more (I'll put some records on while I pour) The neighbors might think (Baby it's bad out there) Say what's in this drink? (No cabs to be had out there) I wish I knew how (Your eyes are like starlight now) To break this spell (I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell) (Why thank you) I ought to say no, no, no sir (Mind if move in closer?) At least I'm gonna say that I tried (What's the sense of hurtin' my pride?) I really can't stay (Baby don't hold out) Baby it's cold outside Ah, you're very pushy you know? I like to think of it as opportunistic I simply must go (Baby it's cold outside) The answer is no (But baby it's cold outside) The welcome has been (How lucky that you dropped in) So nice and warm (Look out the window at that storm) My sister will be suspicious (Gosh your lips look delicious!) My brother will be there at the door (Waves upon a tropical shore) My maiden aunt's mind is vicious (Gosh your lips are delicious!) Well maybe just a cigarette more (Never such a blizzard before) (And I don't even smoke) I've got to get home (Baby you'll freeze out there) Say lend me a coat? (It's up to your knees out there!) You've really been grand, (I feel when I touch your hand) But don't you see? (How can you do this thing to me?) There's bound to be talk tomorrow (Think of my life long sorrow!) At least there will be plenty implied (If you caught pneumonia and died!) I really can't stay (Get over that old out) Baby it's cold Baby it's cold outside Okay fine, just another drink then That took a lot of convincing!

If that’s really how you interact with other people than I’m wondering how many restraining orders have been granted against you and or sexual harassment lawsuits have you fended off?

It’s a great song but it’s bill Cosby levels of rapey.

You've never felt a vagina in your life have you, be honest.

The obvious point to the song from start to finish, is she doesn't want to go but feels she should play hard to get, and he wants her to stay but can't just say so directly.

Basically they both want to get laid.

BTW she laughs at the end. Basically playing good girl but wanting the D.

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Lol it’s still rapey dude. She’s giving off all these excuses why she wants to go and he keeps insisting that she stay. When it seems like his whistle isn’t going to get wet he gives her a drink so strong that she asks what he put in it. Like I don’t give a shit and it’s still personally in my top ten list of most tolerable Christmas songs but that doesn’t negate the fact that it’s rapey.

How is it rapey if the guy never forced the girl to stay? Like u/Chicup said, it was a song about a couple playing the dating game: man doing the chasing and woman getting chased.

Granted, the guy sounded pretty lame in that setting since he can barely come up with five reasons for the girl to stay. I guess the girl gave him an A for his effort.

so how many girls have you raped?

His dare you assume his rape victims gender

A hundred "no"s and one "yes," is still a "yes," amirite?

No means no, unless its a maybe.

To put this in text form for a millennial who doesn't know how to relate to humans outside of text.

Man says: "You should have another drink"

Woman says: "No I really shouldn't *giggle."

Woman translator: I want another drink, just pour it and give it to me.

Now try this one.

Man says: "You should have another drink."

Woman says: "No, I'm fine."

Woman translator: No.

Ok you got that one? Lets go a bit more advanced

Man says: "You should have another drink."

Woman says: "No, I'm fine, I probably shouldn't have anymore."

Man says: "Just one more."

Woman says: "Well, ok I guess, one more, but only one!"

Woman translator: I really wanted another drink but I didn't think I should so I relied on only the weakest of convincing to have one so I can mentally justify to myself I was trying to be "good".

Now maybe its done differently on Grinder and this doesn't help you, but for normal male, female reaction, its not unreasonable to assume that communication involves more than just the actual words themselves. Inflection, tone, rapidity, physical motions, all add up to the rich tapestry of human communication! Its magical!

Wow. Do you really think anyone is reading your fucking book on Reddit, dude?

You know you did bitch.

The first two lines. And then I saw it kept going and was like "ain't nobody got time for that."

Imagine considering basic human interaction to be /r/iamverysmart bullshit

Let’s look at the lines. As she’s talking about leaving, she never says she doesn’t want to stay. Her words are all based around other people’s expectations of her — her mother will worry, her father will be pacing the floor, the neighbors will talk, her sister will be suspicious of her excuses and her brother will be furious, and my favorite line that I think is incredibly revealing, — “My maiden aunt’s mind is vicious.” Vicious about what? Sex. Unmarried, non-good girl having, sex.

Later in the song, she asks him for a comb (to fix her hair) and mentions that there’s going to be talk tomorrow – this is a song about sex, wanting it, having it, maybe having a long night of it by the fire, but it’s not a song about rape. It’s a song about the desires even good girls have.

I agree with the others - you're either retarded or a socially inept incel. Granted, 1936 is a long fucking time ago, but it shouldn't take that much imagination to listen to some song lyrics and actually understand what it's about, you fucking twat.

Here's a pretty good article on what the lyrics most likely implied based on the time it was written.

Tldr: Good girl wants to stay overnight at her boyfriend's house but knows it would be scandalous. Boyfriend gives her good excuses to give.

Even the writers of that article know that it's bullshit.

Lol because girls back then didn't have to hide their promiscuity or anything right?

The big difference between now and when that song was written is that autism rates hadn't skyrocketed yet, so people were actually able to follow a conversation and understood what it meant.

That, and lobotomies were still allowed

It's obvious this is what's going on in the song. Everyone has known that for decades except the upset unfuckables.

She literally just keeps talking about her parents being mad, the neighbors thinking poorly of her etc. etc. She wants to stay, but doesn't want to look like a slut.

Those comments are some stale but good drama themselves.

I mean that song is rapey as fuck. Even white women get something right by accident every so often.

rapey as fuck

Implying there is something wrong with this.

Finally the war on Christmas begins!

Subhanallah

They should replace it with some Lil Wayne skeet skeet lyrics.

Poopy-di scoop Scoop-diddy-whoop Whoop-di-scoop-di poop Poop-di-scoopty Scoopty-whoop Whoopity-scoop, whoop-poop Poop-diddy, whoop-scoop Poop, poop Scoop-diddy-whoop Whoop-diddy-scoop Whoop-diddy-scoop, poop

t. Kanye

'Blurred Lines' - double down on the rapiness

Lil Wayne skeet skeet

how white or old would you have to be to write this

Literally a Key & Peele sketch http://www.comedycentral.co.uk/key-and-peele/videos/just-stay-for-the-night-0

I'm okay with this, that song has always been creepy.

I want to know who the retards are that actually called the fucking radio station to complain about a song

The predatory undertones were the best part.

we've gone full thought crime, now it's bad to even listen to a fkn pretend situation in a song.

metoo

No means yes, yes means anal

who cares?

Me. Women went too far when they messed with Santa.

Some things in our society used to be sacred. 😒

What a shame.

Oh well, the people have spoken.

But something has to fill that space, so lets play "Blurred Lines" instead!

The spirit of compromise shines through!

As long as they continue to play “Beat That Irish Bug Bastard (Under The Mistletoe)”, I don’t mind too much.