As a former Marxist in his early years, Goebbels once stated "how thin the dividing line" was between communism and National Socialism, which had caused many Red Front Fighters to "switch to the SA".[15] Goebbels expressed that sentiment in a 1925 public speech, declaring that "the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight".[16]
In his 1936 Hitler: A Biography, German historian Konrad Heiden remarked that within the SA ranks, there were "large numbers of Communists and Social Democrats" and that "many of the storm troops were called 'beefsteaks' – brown outside and red within."[41] The influx of non-Nazis into the Sturmabteilung membership was so prevalent that SA men would joke that "In our storm troop there are three Nazis, but we shall soon have spewed them out."[41]
The number of 'beefsteaks' was estimated to be large in some cities, especially in northern Germany, where the influence of Gregor Strasser and Strasserism was significant.[42] The head of the Gestapo from 1933 to 1934, Rudolf Diels, reported that "70 percent" of the new SA recruits in the city of Berlin had been communists.[43] Other historians contend that the SA and SS were awash with Marxists and socialist revolutionaries, where "The utopians and those who speak of a Marxist republic have the highest membership in the SA and SS (77.6 and 63 percent respectively)."[44]
Some have argued that since most SA members came from working-class families or were unemployed, they were more amenable to Marxist-leaning socialism, expecting Hitler to fulfill the 25-point National Socialist Program.[45] However, historian Thomas Friedrich reports that the repeated efforts by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) to appeal to the working-class backgrounds of the SA were "doomed to failure", because most SA men were focused on the cult of Hitler and destroying the "Marxist enemy".[46]
The "beefsteak" name also referred to party-switching between Nazi and Communist party members, particularly involving those within the SA ranks.
Define what right wing means. They weren't internationalists, but were economically lefty. They were anti-traditional elite, but not inclusive of people deemed outsiders. In Italy Mussolini started as a Socialist and then added in nationalistic elements. Near as I can tell the big difference between Fascists and Communists is that at least the Commies claim that they are internationalists based on class solidarity and are theoretically anti-racist and anti-sexist, while Fascists are explicitly nationalist and generally pretty anti-outsiders, whoever they deem that to be. In the end they both just tend to kill a fuck ton of people in the name of their ideology and if you get in their way and accuse the other of being worse to justify their atrocities.
That looks fucking awesome! I wish they did this more often, not just contentious statues either, do it with all of them. Do it to grade listed buildings as well, fuck em, time to change.
So I'm looking and can't find and info on whether an actual headless Lenin statue was used for this or if the was merely an inspiration. Help me out Europoors.
I lived in the Gypsie Capital for some time. It's gonna take more than a few ideas to kick out the corrupt filth that exists in Romanian politics communist or otherwise.
Not really. They are oddly nationalistic, I will grant you that. But they don't shy away from hiring public sector workers like crazy, raising their wages way above those in the private sector and being overall very generous with the state apparatus. Worst of both worlds. A fucking joke.
Their discourse is almost identical though. Reeeing about fake news, reeeing about the EU, insulting minorities, claiming foreigners are out to get us, claiming the parallel (i.e. deep) state is out to get them, taking credit for economic progress they had nothing to do with, being strangely silent about Russia's bs etc. etc. It's a wonder they haven't been kicked out of the PES tbh.
They are indeed populists and overall not much more than a bunch of thieves who should be rotting in jail. But my biggest beef with them is this idiotic tendency to increase public spending because that's the one that affects me most, when I pay my taxes. For example, there are public sector nurses that earn almost 2,000 EUR and that's ridiculous for Romania. I don't mind them earning that much per se, but this is from my money and I think it's wrong that public sector employees, notorious for their incompetence and inefficiency should have wages 30% higher than average while private sector employees have them 13% below the average. This is wrong and unsustainable.
Personally I don't think raising wages for medical personnel e.g. is a bad thing considering they are emigrating in droves, but the way the public sector is so blatantly non-competitive is outrageous. Like you said, job performance is basically a non-issue for them.
And don't even get me started on all the money they give to the Church. I'd sort of understand that if they were actual Christcucks, but they're just paying lip service to a corrupt institution that is collapsing in popularity year after year.
Yea but what can you do. That was the deal with the Church centuries ago. They gave their lands to the State in return for perpetual financial support (priest wages, etc). It's wrong, it's exaggerated and it should stop. But they also have a point, a deal's a deal. And the State still has those lands that used to belong to the Church.
It's not much worse than in other EU countries. Overall it's still a stable democracy, good business environment. And Bucharest is a really, really fun city with excellent value for money when it comes to housing, restaurants and going out in general.
It’s always the western idiots who grew up having everything that support communism. We were freezing in the apartments and had rationalized bread and oil. It was as if we were in a war. I hate to engage idiots on the internet but I cannot have any patience for these mf
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1 totalrandomperson 2018-12-04
Your family probably deserved getting gulagd and you should read some marx to get over it
1 -Steve_French- 2018-12-04
Tankies are Nazis with red face paint can't prove me wrong
1 Magehunter_Skassi 2018-12-04
Nazis: I want to rape and pillage this part of Poland.
Communists: I want to rape and pillage this other part of Poland.
You, a retarded centrist: its like im seeing double!!!!!!
1 -Steve_French- 2018-12-04
Me, an intellectual
I never pick a side
Nothing ever really would change if
I committed suicide
1 JustLions 2018-12-04
Four Krusties!
1 captainpriapism 2018-12-04
nazis actually had some working plans though
1 wiking85 2018-12-04
Nazis were commies in brown shirts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung#%22Beefsteaks%22_within_the_ranks
1 sevgee 2018-12-04
SA were basically populist thugs. There's a reason the SS replaced them after 1934, they were the "real" Nazis.
1 wiking85 2018-12-04
Notice that in the quote they say the SS was also filled with ex-communists.
1 sevgee 2018-12-04
True, but by the early 40s most of them would've been former Hitlerjugend members, so the picture would've been completely different by then
1 wiking85 2018-12-04
Sure, but it was the former communists that put the Nazis in power by joining their ranks to even give them the power to control children's education.
1 Electroyote 2018-12-04
What? Nazis were not right wing?!
1 wiking85 2018-12-04
Define what right wing means. They weren't internationalists, but were economically lefty. They were anti-traditional elite, but not inclusive of people deemed outsiders. In Italy Mussolini started as a Socialist and then added in nationalistic elements. Near as I can tell the big difference between Fascists and Communists is that at least the Commies claim that they are internationalists based on class solidarity and are theoretically anti-racist and anti-sexist, while Fascists are explicitly nationalist and generally pretty anti-outsiders, whoever they deem that to be. In the end they both just tend to kill a fuck ton of people in the name of their ideology and if you get in their way and accuse the other of being worse to justify their atrocities.
1 scatmunchies 2018-12-04
Yikes
1 Magehunter_Skassi 2018-12-04
You can't criticize Hitler until you've read Mein Kampf.
1 BoringNormalGuy 2018-12-04
Stalin ruins everything
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-04
My parents were killed by communists before I was born
1 MPHJ-7 2018-12-04
it got deleted lol
1 SnapshillBot 2018-12-04
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1 SkipperPauline 2018-12-04
That looks fucking awesome! I wish they did this more often, not just contentious statues either, do it with all of them. Do it to grade listed buildings as well, fuck em, time to change.
1 Heydammit 2018-12-04
Yeah that statue looks dope
1 totalrandomperson 2018-12-04
You have to piss people for free labor.
1 EasySchmitty 2018-12-04
“Heh, the confederate statues should be torn down, they’re reminders of an oppressive past.”
tears down Lenin statues
“Wow guys, have some sensitivity, they have value!”
This is a good compromise tbh; keep the Confederate statues up but turn them into Eldritch creatures or something.
1 Heydammit 2018-12-04
If we modified all statues to resemble our Lovecraftian masters I would consider it a huge improvement.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-04
Be careful or you'll attract their attention
1 allendrio 2018-12-04
That would be pretty rad.
1 wayside_bard 2018-12-04
this post was made by fanged noumena gang
1 TheBrapthorn 2018-12-04
So I'm looking and can't find and info on whether an actual headless Lenin statue was used for this or if the was merely an inspiration. Help me out Europoors.
1 Speechlessswindler 2018-12-04
Lol, the old statue still exist, they just used it's
1 Inceltiers 2018-12-04
he killed commies and therfore he is radical centerist
1 Kibaszott 2018-12-04
I lived in the Gypsie Capital for some time. It's gonna take more than a few ideas to kick out the corrupt filth that exists in Romanian politics communist or otherwise.
1 sevgee 2018-12-04
There are no communists in Gypsyland politics. Our leftists have more in common with Daddy than with Marx
1 nothuggedasachild 2018-12-04
Not really. They are oddly nationalistic, I will grant you that. But they don't shy away from hiring public sector workers like crazy, raising their wages way above those in the private sector and being overall very generous with the state apparatus. Worst of both worlds. A fucking joke.
1 sevgee 2018-12-04
Their discourse is almost identical though. Reeeing about fake news, reeeing about the EU, insulting minorities, claiming foreigners are out to get us, claiming the parallel (i.e. deep) state is out to get them, taking credit for economic progress they had nothing to do with, being strangely silent about Russia's bs etc. etc. It's a wonder they haven't been kicked out of the PES tbh.
1 nothuggedasachild 2018-12-04
They are indeed populists and overall not much more than a bunch of thieves who should be rotting in jail. But my biggest beef with them is this idiotic tendency to increase public spending because that's the one that affects me most, when I pay my taxes. For example, there are public sector nurses that earn almost 2,000 EUR and that's ridiculous for Romania. I don't mind them earning that much per se, but this is from my money and I think it's wrong that public sector employees, notorious for their incompetence and inefficiency should have wages 30% higher than average while private sector employees have them 13% below the average. This is wrong and unsustainable.
1 sevgee 2018-12-04
Personally I don't think raising wages for medical personnel e.g. is a bad thing considering they are emigrating in droves, but the way the public sector is so blatantly non-competitive is outrageous. Like you said, job performance is basically a non-issue for them.
And don't even get me started on all the money they give to the Church. I'd sort of understand that if they were actual Christcucks, but they're just paying lip service to a corrupt institution that is collapsing in popularity year after year.
1 nothuggedasachild 2018-12-04
Yea but what can you do. That was the deal with the Church centuries ago. They gave their lands to the State in return for perpetual financial support (priest wages, etc). It's wrong, it's exaggerated and it should stop. But they also have a point, a deal's a deal. And the State still has those lands that used to belong to the Church.
1 nothuggedasachild 2018-12-04
It's not much worse than in other EU countries. Overall it's still a stable democracy, good business environment. And Bucharest is a really, really fun city with excellent value for money when it comes to housing, restaurants and going out in general.
1 Kibaszott 2018-12-04
best club rnb I went to was in an old torture chamber bunker. I Enjoyed the city a lot more when I was inebriated that's for sure
1 stupidpol 2018-12-04
Lenin as a hydra is pretty alpha
1 Prysorra2 2018-12-04
Fundamental igorance.
1 Electroyote 2018-12-04
Russia is great! When people tell you you are polluting the lake, you hire mafia to beat down those people!
1 MPHJ-7 2018-12-04
Supporting communism on r/europe will never end well for you.
Great for drama though, if that's what you want.
1 cruelandusual 2018-12-04
This would have also been acceptable.
1 guest121 2018-12-04
It’s always the western idiots who grew up having everything that support communism. We were freezing in the apartments and had rationalized bread and oil. It was as if we were in a war. I hate to engage idiots on the internet but I cannot have any patience for these mf
1 SuperiorExcess 2018-12-04
lmao the Belgian whining his username is a slang insult for niggers/sandniggers
1 Electroyote 2018-12-04
What? You don't like hunger?