New Zealanders upset over Santa Claus being portrayed as brown

1  2018-12-04 by LiberalKiwi

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Mayos made Jesus into a mayo and they are complaining about this?

It be alright if the nigger actually dressed as Santa tho

I really don't see the issue with a Maori Santa in Maori's native Land, but this guy isn't dressed as a fucking Santa.

Yeah, they're not upset that he's Maori, it's that he's not dressed as Santa.

I get it actually - I have small kids, if I take them to a Christmas parade and there isn't a Santa Claus I guarantee they will start blubbering and asking me "Whyyyyyyyy?????" in between sobs.

tell ur kids they are fucking wimps

I have small kids

I do not miss going to parades, especially when it's a 3 hour ordeal just to see one float.

It's good to prepare them that life is a dissapointement.

probably that, but then again facebook.

You're welcome!

its the same as having pasty white dude in a parade for maori heritage or doing the haka or whatever tf

its dumb and ill conceived because progressives dont know anything

Lol stfu, it's perfectly fine to have a white dude doing the haka. You don't have a fucking clue.

if i went to nz and went hey lets see some guys doing the haka i dont want to see a white guy doing it lol

im not talking about appropriation or any of that dumb shit im talking about authenticity for the sake of tradition where it applies

if i went to nz and went hey lets see some guys doing the haka i dont want to see a white guy doing it guys doing the tango instead regardless of skin colour lol

ftfy to be a more apt analogy to the current situation.

Father Christmas is an ENGLISH invention. We should NOT be allowing the French, Germans, or by Allah AMERICAN TRAITORS to appropriate OUR HERITAGE

pretty sure its derived from europe pagan shit

It's a common myth among the eternally butthurt section of the pagan community. But, no, it's a late medieval English invention.

Are you unironically complaining about cultural appropriation of Maori heritage.

Christmas a Christian holiday

Maori some boat people

Ngl maori are actually human in comparison to abos but bending over for them when they have nothing to do with it is weird

Let's be real. Every square foot of God's green surface earth is the white man's. Brownlets' native habitat is Yakub's inner earth.

When do we see the first tranny santa

Imagine not having worked out who “Mrs” Claus is yet.

Tran-ta Claus

Tran-Santa Claus

was on the office, good episode.

, was fired for saying he would not hire women to play Father Christmas.

What retard would even wondering if a
Woman can play a mall Santa clsua

As soon as bussys get big enough to store the worlds Christmas presents

I want tranny Santa to come down my chimney tonight 😘

hes not even dressed as santa though

Why not fight him for it then? I think that unless someone is willing to defeat him in single combat, he can call himsellf santa. I just don't think 99.9% of the palefaces calling him out have any chance of besting the maorisanta

He’s an alright looking Father Christmas. Far better than the usual old jakes. At what age are you not allowed to sit on their knee for the naughty or nice question?

Isn’t the dude who Santa is based on a Greek saint? Anyway in NZ Christmas is really really secular, everyone celebrates it. the whole point is that we’ve made the holiday into our own thing that involves playing cricket on the beach getting pissed before 2 pm and eating the cake we invented, pavlova. Having a Maori Santa makes sense when you consider how little we care about the Christian origins of the holiday. sheep mayos at it again smh

isn't Pavlova an Australian invention?

u tryna get glassed cunt

I'm confused. New Zealand is one of the states in Australia right? So all new zealanders are australians really. I don't get why they act so high and mighty when they're basically a welfare state supported by australian tax dollars.

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.

Aussies stole it.

pavlova deez nuts lmao

Would it kill him to dress as Santa tho?

Santa Claus is originally Finnish iirc.

It was derived from dutch/germanic Sinterklaas, which in turn is based on greek saint Nicholas of Myra.

pavlova

🤤

Christmas is not as christian as you think, but it is 100% white when you do trace it back past that thin layer of Christianity. Santa was originally based upon Odin, who was no brown fellow.

Santa was based on st. Nicholas of myra

Only more recently, after Christianity supplanted the original pagan holidays and feasts around mid to late December. Originally santa was Odin, or some goat character (which is how Santa gets his name in my language: joulupukki = Christmas buck)

Lmao mayos are the most fragile people on Earth

lol as opposed to the guys who need "representation" in literally everything or they have a temper tantrum you mean

OUT

TFW aussies are still surprised when they see maori are integrated in society

duh have you seen them

i just said theyre integrated in society you fuckwit

whoa lets take it easy buddy

lol nah

white people are the least fragile people on earth, everyone else cries because they have to work to get to our position when they think we just magically got it

in reality were more hardworking and just plain smarter than other races, i know its frustrating but you should keep trying anyway and maybe one day youll get to the point a white retard starts at LOL

You're in hear crying over some fantasy character having the wrong skin color. Totally not fragile though

yeah im pretty sure i know i have the best skin colour that makes people think "oh whos that handsome man" and not "aah holy shit its a black guy lets cross the street"

minorities insulting white people is like a kid talking shit to their parents, its more disappointment than anger lol

Imagine believing this. Sad

Imagine believing that white people just somehow got handed dominance and wasn't because they had to git gud.

Imagine thinking that other people of any other background would not have mirrored imperialism if they were the one who had to git gud.

Imagine having a sucky life and such little of an understanding of history that you latch on to far-right populist talking points so you can feel like you're a part of a club, but in actuality you're nowhere close to being in the same cohort of people who originally did(and continue to) make America great

same cohort of people who originally did(and continue to) make America great

And who are these big brain? The slave owning founders of American democracy who disregarded even the common white man to vote? The ethnic distrusting progressives of the bullmoose party? Tactless democrats playing with Idpol? Neocon hebrews who want to retain Israeli hegemony?

Or is it an abstract immigrant based, co-opting of "give me your poor, give me your tired" land of opportunity idealists who are today reincarnated as vaguely brown people draped in american flags who buy used Japanese economy cars?

Not even two days ago you were gloating in a thread about a study that found that white liberals dumb themselves down for black people's "benefit," and that black people hate the political correctness game more than white people do. Which is it?

why do you think it cant be both

nobody likes being condescended to but if youre not in an omg position of power you cant do shit about it

what are you gonna do if your boss explains something to you like youre retarded, chastise him? foh

they dont want to be called kanye so they put up with the baby talk

Pretty much every Chinese or Indian I’ve met has been smarter, harder-working, and less prone to bitching about his lot in life than the duplicitous wh*te.

thats usually because you dont see the chinese or indians living in poverty and only the rich successful ones

how do you deal with the smell issue though

C O P E

You know it's mayos pushing that shit too right?

yeah dumb progressive ones that dont count and are probably jews anyway

There it is.

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Youre literally being triggered by his comment lol you and the upvotes prove his point

lol no everyone who talks about white fragility is triggered, white people are basically invincible

Try calling a black guy the no no word to witness actual fragility.

On the one hand its stupid.

On the other hand, if I'm telling a cultural lie to my children and part of the cultural lie is that Santa is a cracker, I'd be pissed I'd have to make up some other lie why Santa looks like a character from Moana.

This Maori "Santa" is actually fucking baller. It's way better than the token "diversity" Santa's we see here stateside.

Why does Santa even have to have a specific ethnicity? He's a fictional character based on a Mediterranean saint created so that kids can enjoy Christmas more. If black, Asian, etc. families want their kids to have a Santa of their ethnicity, and companies that want to take their money cater to that version of Santa, then who fucking cares? Pretty much every person who's shown up in the Bible, Jesus included, and many to most of the early saints have been inaccurately portrayed as whiteys so it's not like a precedent hasn't been set.

He doesn't really need to be, IMO. I feel like there is something that bothers most people when you "steal" their culture like that. I remember when some devientart troll or whatever made up a white guy as Black Panther a few months ago and there was a fucking meltdown about it. Some people go too far with the culture vulture shit and make it as though you can't even share and take inspiration from another culture. If you just take the American version of Santa Claus and just put a minority in the suit, it just seems lazy and pandering. But to create your own version inspired by the spirit of the character is great. Create a "Father Afro-Christmas" that intertwines the basic characteristics of Santa and the key elements of black/African culture. I'd love to see a over the top Japanese super buff anime Santa or some shit. Even the Santa's all over Europe are significantly different from each other.

I feel like there is something that bothers most people when you "steal" their culture like that. I remember when some devientart troll or whatever made up a white guy as Black Panther a few months ago and there was a fucking meltdown about it.

The meltdown was a huge overreaction, but in general it seems to be that a lot of people who find pop culture representation really important to them take that kind of thing way too seriously. It's not really any different then men having meltdowns over women being cast in shitty cash-grabs like the Ghostbusters remake. I think that it's different for religious figures, though.

If you just take the American version of Santa Claus and just put a minority in the suit, it just seems lazy and pandering.

Why, if the intent is to appeal to religious families who are minorities? It's not like the inspiration of 'Santa Claus' was a non-med Euro to begin with, and everywhere that Santa is part of Christmas, Santa is represented in malls and commercials and shit as a person of the ethnicity that is dominant to that area. Santa is English in England and Dutch in the Netherlands; what's the problem if he's Korean in a Korean Christian community or black in a black community? He's not a historical figure- the point is that he's supposed to give gifts to Christian kids in Christian households across the world. If there's a black or Asian community that wants to make their kids happy by having Santa visit, what's the problem if he's not white-haired and blue-eyed? As you mentioned, representations of him already differ widely in Europe.

I don't disagree with having him represent the majority of people in an area as much. I suppose you might run into issues when you have a mixed community, which is much more common around here, say 60white/15black/15latino/10other. Let's say you have a parade, what's the most appropriate way to handle it? Do you admit that white Santa is the default, or the most represented? Do you take turns year over year? Do you have 5+ different of the same basic Santa but with different ethnicities all in the same parade? Typing this out makes me kind of realize how retarded and trivial it really is, but I still like to argue. I'm not going to weep in the streets if we've got a black Santa, but let's say I've got the choice to takes kids to see white Santa or Mexican Sãntã at equidistant malls, I'm going to see white Santa. Unless the line's like an hour shorter at Mexican Santa, in which case, fuck those kids. I guess other races deserve the same thing. I still stand by my inspiration thing though. If I'm going to see Mexican Santa, I want some cool Mexican folklore shit, like sugar skulls or Santeria or vaquero influence. Really do it up.

Let's say you have a parade, what's the most appropriate way to handle it? Do you admit that white Santa is the default, or the most represented?

Depends on the community that Santa is in and how pissy the majority or minority population gets about having a Santa that doesn't represent them.

If I'm going to see Mexican Santa, I want some cool Mexican folklore shit, like sugar skulls or Santeria or vaquero influence. Really do it up.

What's wrong if Americans with Mexican heritage want to have a Santa who looks Hispanic? Isn't that an indication that they're trying to adapt to American culture? Why would they feel a need to replace Santa with influences from holidays that have nothing to do with Christmas? I agree that people who haven't been completely Americanized should be able to celebrate holidays from their ancestral culture and draw inspiration from them, but there's no reason why they should have to meld holidays that the culture of their heritage celebrate with ones that are part of their new culture in order to make them more ethnic or someshit.

Do you admit that white Santa is the default, or the most represented?

Yeah, most people who use Santa are white. But what's the issue with people in black Christian neighborhood celebrating with a black Santa, people in England celebrating with an English Santa, etc? I really don't understand the upset. This isn't some sacred pan-European ritual. Is Santa only supposed to be for white people? Should the Yuro countries that are beginning to celebrate American and Anglo "holidays" like Valentine's Day and Halloween in the wrong because they haven't injected random aspects from their completely unrelated holidays into them?

But that is Santa. The suit is part of the whole thing. Attendees don't give a shit about your PCness, they just wanna see Santa.

Tbh if you're gonna change the skin colour, maybe at least keep the rest of the outfit the same?

Because changing every aspect of his appearance except the colour of his clothes and calling him santa is retarded.

It's retarded Snally.

Why does it matter? There's a bunch of variation of Santa's outfit. It's not like he's an animu character that's drawn the same way every episode.

There is absolutely not a bunch of variation on Santa's outfit.

He doesn't have the hat or beard, he's not even trying lol.

On the other hand, you have the sweaties who throw a fit over the Dutch "Black Pete" lol.

imagine being such a faggot that them saying 'there is no santa this is just a pgan costume' is actually being racist? this isnt christmas because hes holding a fucking bone staff

I mean, is it christmas when santa wears a suit that by a strange coincidence has the exact same color scheme as a coca cola bottle? Santa's fat ass has been plowed by corporate interests for more than a century; there is no fair maiden's honor to defend.

how dare you insult my sister you shithead

Hakacide when?

I don't know, Maori Santa kind of looks metal af.

I get they were going for a more islander themed outfit, but he should really be dressed up as Santa Claus.