I’m not denying it doesn’t happen, but to assume all people who wear mascot costumes, or are furries, smoke crack and fuck all day in costume is a massive fallacy.
I’m gonna get serious again!!! Why do we need role models to be able to do things? That’s the whole loser mentality right there? Someone else needs to take initiative first?
When you're younger, you need people to model your behavior and aspirations off of. One of the major roles of parents is to be good role models.
No but people will often see people that are like them succeeding as a sign that they can too. Saying "needing role models means you're weak" is the most retarded thing I've read all day and it's the top comment in this thread lol
Relating to somebody based on them looking like you =/= relating to "other people only based on what’s between our legs"
Now if you can focus, equating having role models to having a loser mentality is fucking retarded. So many winners in life have talked about their role models and looking up to people who came from similar backgrounds to them. But you're a fucking edgelord so all of that is irrelevant to you
Wow, should have expected this from the reading comprehension of average drama user.
I didn’t say having role models was bad.
I said one shouldn’t need a role model to be able to accomplish things. I don’t have to see another woman doing something first for me to be able to do the same thing. I don’t need to sit around and wait for other women to take initiative to get up and do the same thing.
Role models are nice to have but you shouldn’t need them.
YOU are the one who said "average reading comprehension of a /r/drama user" I clarified on that, and YOU continued to berate me for this completely unrelated thing.
Last time we were on topic we left off at me thinking role models are needed and you disagreeing.
I believe role models are needed, in general, if for no other reason than people who have, as you put it, a "loser mentality." They can be useful for people who have that mentality now to grow and change into having a winner mentality.
You are being an edgelord by implying that needing those to change somehow makes you weak. Edgelords see low points in life as weakness or that there's something wrong with you. That if you're not born perfect and stay that way forever you're worthless. That's why so many edgelords are supremacists in some way or another, because they believe that by virtue of their birth they are already superior to others. Life is more complicated than that.
So in closing, role models are needed for those times in life that people have a "loser mentality," and I would say probably other reasons too, but at least for that.
At this point I honestly don't think you're going to understand if I explain why what you said isn't a response. I have the flu. If you can't respond at a similar level then this conversation is no fun.
I'm mocking you for not making sense after you were mocking me. I don't care that you're a minority woman at all. I don't know what morals you're referring to here. Can you elaborate? Even though bringing up the minority woman thing was pretty out of left field at first, I guess you're saying that you succeeded despite the lack of role models. Which is in no way evidence that role models aren't needed in the slightest. Pretty ironic you were dissing my reading comprehension when I already responded to that in paragraph #4 of the message that obviously went over your head.
You have been acting like you care about how people need role models to succeed but you don’t because when someone like me succeds in my own way, you are not satisfied.
It is. What makes me special? Nothing. So, if I can go to STEM without ever having to search for a female role model, why can’t other women do the same? It is literally just a different type of academic field.
I don't wear a seatbelt and have never been in an accident that hurt me, so seatbelts aren't needed. Wearing a seatbelt is a losers mentality because you're admitting you might run into something.
I was able to pay for schooling, so student aid isn't needed.
It was cold today, therefore global warming doesn't exist.
I am satisfied by your success and have no idea what you're talking about. Just because you claim you didn't have role models doesn't mean society doesn't need them. One example otherwise does not disprove the whole on this at all. You're a fucking idiot and that's irrelevant to your gender/race/dental records.
I am too dumb to wear a seat belt. I need to see someone from a similar background do it first. Even if it hurts my well being, it’s not my fault! I need a role model!
I am too dumb to take student loans. I need to see someone from a similar background do it first. Even if it hurts my academic future, it’s not my fault! I need a role model!
I am too dumb to research about global warning. I need to see someone from a similar background do it first. Even if it makes me ill informed, it’s not my dual. I need a role model!
I urge you to reread the part about idiot edgelords and their "I've never struggled and anybody that has is inferior" bullshit. I'm amazed you're in STEM since your mindset is pretty hxc 15 year old. Maybe you never grew up because you stuck with the other nerds with victim mentalities.
I was in STEM too hooray so excuse me if I'm not exactly floored by your credentials. You might be good at math but have stunted personal growth.
Plus, why does the role model have to be from your gender? At first glance, I don’t see anything common with other women universally except having periods.
When it comes to academic fields, you can literally get inspired by anyone who’s prominent in that field.
All of my mentors have been male and I’ve never worked with another woman in the same department before. I can’t admire male mentors because they have penises? They can’t inspire me? They can’t be my role models?
Similar backgrounds to me isn’t having the same skin color or genitals. It’s about having the same values, interests and views. I won’t relate to just any successful woman just because they are a woman.
It is a loser mentality because you’re setting up young girls to fail. Some fields just don’t have that many women in them. So, there wouldn’t be enough female role models for those fields. Then, the young girls with the mentality of “we need role models based on gender” would never enter to those fields. Therefore, these fields won’t have any significant increase in female applicants at all. This repeats an endless cycle of lacking role models and needing them.
What we should teach young girls to take initiative if no one else is doing so. We should teach them to stop looking at just gender and draw inspiration based on INDIVIDUALITY.
After all, I thought we were strong and independent.
That's because the people that complain about "representation" ARE losers. Individualism and personal responsibility doesn't track with those mongoloids.
Ahhh jesus serios post time. You don't need huge numbers of women to have an impact. Just find a dozen women scientists can be enough. But the real way to make change is to include women when taking pictures or other media events. If you present the idea that a female scientist is normal and ordinary it can have an impact on young children.
The issue here is that "liberals" push the message that being a female scientist as an oddity and then parade around her around like she is the only one. Just look at the insanity here. They treat her as such an oddity that she was flown out to Australia when she was a little girl in elementary school. The fact that she at the age of 14 decided to pursue art is such a groundbreaking thing the Washington Post ran an article. They are acting as if they lost one of the last females of a species.
The idea is more women getting into X field increases the chances of producing a handful of women who would excel in that X field.
Out of a 100 hypothetical women getting into X field, how many do you think would be on a genius level smart? How many do you think would become successful that they get recognized as prominent figures and appear in photo ops at conventions or seminars or whatever?
I’m definitely not at the top of my field. Very far from it. I’m above average at best. Being a woman in STEM isn’t enough to be a role model automatically. It’s extremely hard to master something especially STEM fields because they are very demanding and time consuming.
Not only that studies show men tend to be more extreme when it comes to being obsessed with something. Intelligence wise, there are also more men on the fringe than women. It’s rare to be extremely smart or dumb but within that rarity, there are more men exhibiting these extremes than women.
So, yes, statistically, we need more women in general so that we could score a handful of women who would excel in their field.
Personal Experience
Honestly? What you are encouraging had made me hysterical when I joined the workforce not long ago. I’m still suffering from the side effects of it. I was picked immediately as one of the “talents” to look out for as soon as I joined the workforce. I was a fresh graduate. They asked me for my photo and blasted it worldwide with a bunch of other women.
I didn’t know anything. I was Jon Snow. I was included because I was a woman. That made me think I was hired for a quota and I didn’t deserve to be there. Being a fresh graduate who knew nothing did not help at all. For 2 years, I suffered imposter syndrome. I may not be a genius but I’m not dumb. I accomplished everything assigned to me on time and exactly the way they were supposed to be BUT I kept telling myself I wasn’t smart enough. I managed to do all that stuff due to luck and support from mentors. I felt like a fraud who would get exposed any time. I didn’t ask for any raises either because I felt like I didn’t even deserve the position I had. I refrained from speaking out about my opinions because I was scared that I would be wrong. It stunted my career growth.
It took me a while to believe in myself again. It was terrible. Including women in things for the sake of including them is NOT recommended. Why can’t we treat people as individuals? Is that too radical?
I doubt the idea of role models in general. I just liked physics in school and got into physics, I don't remember thinking "I want to be like that guy"
maybe it works in careers that get more exposure like sports idk
Same here. I don’t really have role models. I do look up the seniors who mentored/have been mentoring me and I learned a great deal from them. However, we have nothing else in common. I’ve worked with only men in my life. Different races from different walks of life. Different personalities and also different interests outside of work. I don’t care if we don’t have things in common. I care that they know a lot and I just want learn as much as I can.
People need to think more strategically. I just don’t see why I need to have someone who looks like me to inspire me or teach me things....
Hello fellow STEMcel. When I was in college, the only areas I found that were mainly men was maybe CS. I already had a career in CS, so was not interested. But never really thought about "oh look all boys here." Maybe in Physics, but physics is required for STEM degrees so there were still girls.
Yeah, that seems about right. I think it's because bio, chem, math and physics are all required for most STEM degrees but you're not required to take CS classes to get, for instance, a bio or chem degree.
Yeah, I started CS in 94 I think it was. Then the dotcom bubble happened and I got a kickass job and quit like a lot of others. I don't regret it but when I went back I was bored of CS since I was working in the field. Decided to just study something that interested me so I did bio and chem. Took some CS classes thinking the obvious thing would be dual major and get a CS degree, but decided to just graduate.
But in 94 yeah I took FORTRAN and C and was one of maybe 2 girls. Can't remember anymore.
Lmao I want this so fucking bad please - I have an art degree and that would be a licence to troll all day and night. I’m already thinking of all the comedy mileage that I could get out of it.
He came back to California with photos that still get passed around his family — the highlight of his career as a supposed girl genius.
At the end of that school year he got a D in math.
The truth was, Zeph says, he's never been a natural at science. He liked the fairs, and he liked messing around with his family on the show, and he knew how to say the right things.
“I've learned how to seem like I know stuff,” he said. “People ask, 'Oh — do you know about this electronic thing, blah-dee-blah-dee-blah, and I'm like, 'I've heard of it!' so it seems like I know about it. But I actually don't.”
femcels:
She thought maybe she was only winning and invited to these places because she's a girl (which is true, but not in a negative way)
What does this say to other girls that look up to her? "She's super smart and loves science... which is impossible for a girl. You really thought girls could be good at math, do things other than paint their nails and look pretty for boys? Ha! Sylvia was a boy all along!"
etc
y all the femcels acting like this tussy was/is smart? literal retard lvl scientist cant pass a childs math class 🤕🤕🤕 truly was only getting praise for havin a gussyhole 😂😂😂 wat else is new ?? mayo gussy gets all the benefits in the world n mayo gussys whine online about discrimination. i lost my prestigious university career 2 drug addiction 😤😤😤, was jailed multiple times for years 😠😠😠, involuntarily committed 😡😡😡 even now when im homeless again u dont see me whining 👌👌👌 just shitpostin in my local public library
She doesn't want to do science anymore. Now he's a dude into art. Really she was just making the robots and stuff from an artistic perspective instead of caring about the science behind it.
> wasn't this the girl that was shamelessly made fun of by men in r/pics? they made rude comments about her appearance, calling her all sorts of misogynistic names. the mythbusters guy shes next to even stepped in to comment how rude the comments were being! no wonder she wants to transition, that experience must have traumatized her! because being a woman fucking sucks. this poor lass :(
No, well at least not the last time I heard. He was wanking whilst singing all star, was an interesting video. But he did get bullied to the point he went transgender and smashed a sonic the hedgehog stand in a game shop and assaulted a shop keeper.
All these activists who get death threats and take them seriously remind me of this. If you think some nibba is going to throw his whole life away over "gaming journalism integrity", then you have a strong case of the 'tism.
Whenever I see a STEM-related post on this shithole I hope it's some further fall-out from that CERN presentation. I feel like that should have been a lot more juicer than how it really was.
It’s somewhat ironic tbh. A few years back, all the STEMcels would flaunt themselves to everyone, saying that STEM was where the money’s at, it doesn’t carry the nonsense of arts degrees, and you’d be hired based on merit. And now STEM’s being given the old Silicon Valley treatment.
If you don’t want your career field to get flooded, don’t brag about it everywhere you go.
t. Not smart or autist enough to get a STEM degree so settled for something in business
If it was flooded by people who got through the programs on their merit I'd be fine with it. Pushing people through because muh diversity and muh vagina is what actually happened.
The pendulum is swinging back toward humanities degrees. Right now people with humanities degrees (obviously with the proper science pre-requisites) have better acceptance rates to med schools than pure STEM candidates as people realize that maybe having a bunch of chem/physics autists work in healthcare isn't the best move.
The humanities probably have better interviewers, if I had to guess. Many stem people are great at technical interviews but are much less sociable and come across as stiff.
The funny thing is, generally, most women are totally capable of performing well in the STEM fields. Its just that as our society knocks down more barriers for them entering the field, the more they choose to enter nursing, health care or other women dominated industries. Its like a fucked up catch-22 where the more the feminists accomplish, the less the actually get what they wanted in the first place: women in STEM.
Most people, in general, are not going to be capable in a STEM field. Most people are dumb as fuck. I don't see why women would think this doesn't apply to them as well...they can attribute at least some of the failures to, hey, it's not an easy field. Most males can't swing it either.
That's sort of true. I'm a woman "in STEM" and I'm going into healthcare after I finish my degree. Bench research is boring af but I know some women who want to go into the research side of STEM. At this point there are probably more women majoring in bio than men so at least some of them are bound to stay in the field instead of leaving for healthcare or teaching.
My school has a worse cop out degree than bio lol. They offer a pre-med degree that becomes useless if you don't go to med school and generally looks like shit on your application anyway.
There were more women in my bio classes about 6 years ago too. Most of my colleagues at work now are women. There are more women joining STEM, but as a population they seem to have a more narrow range of interests, which I don’t find surprising. I’m mainly surprised that people still think “men and women would like exactly the same things if you give them the same exact opportunities.”
I think this is true. Not a lot of women are even interested in CS stuff. Most women on programming teams are designers or QA people, but I have run into a few database programmers and backend coders like myself. Not many. I just don't think it interests most females.
CS is also a volatile career because layoffs always hit IT and programmers. Healthcare is more stable. Someone always gets cut from the programming team.
That's not at all what happened. A little girl who was into STEM as a kid decided that she wanted to become a boy. Now adults can't trot her around and praise her for liking science while being a girl. Because we all know that girls can't like science unless adults are constantly praising them for just doing normal kid shit like wanting to build a robot because robots are cool.
Why the fuck is this even an issue? Are these people just totally ignoring Marie Curie, Margaret Hamilton, Sally Ride, etc. Why does everyone have to be represented in everything nowadays?
Why does everyone have to be represented in everything nowadays?
"First $X in $Y" headlines are very clickable, encouraging more and more media outlets to follow the template in pursuit of ad revenue. In all likelihood, we're looking at a distortion of what actually concerns most people; I doubt many people care about representation when it's not a proxy for a systemic issue.
Well I’m looking at a bunch of spergs losing their mind about one tranny when there are incredibly influential women in STEM they could be looking up to instead. I mean, jesus— Curie is one of the most influential scientists in history, on par with fucking Einstein in her contributions to how we understand the universe.
tbh as a gussy in software development I kind of like the widespread bussy culture in the industry because it is MUCH easier for me to get on with people who can verbally shitpost and not take themselves too seriously than it is for me to get on with the sorts of people who hear a mention of XX chromosomes in any context and immediately say "that's kind of transphobic"*
*actual thing said to me by female former coworker
Oh no, her story is so sad. What's worse is so many girls looked up to her. Imagine their hurt and confusion at this. Imagine your hero suddenly turning around and doing the opposite of what you thought they stood for.
Yeah the girls that were fans. They're totally the ones this is all about.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-12-05
I’m not denying it doesn’t happen, but to assume all people who wear mascot costumes, or are furries, smoke crack and fuck all day in costume is a massive fallacy.
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1 madvillainer 2018-12-05
Alternative title: femcels discover year old article about a STEMlass turning into a STEMlad and reee
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-12-05
Alternative alternative title: TERFs invent bizarre motives behind gender transition to justify their oppression narrative.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
Do you even know individuality exists or what?
1 madvillainer 2018-12-05
agreed I've never had any role models and look at me now I'm a moderately successful r/drama poster
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
Wow, you won’t believe this. I own two funko pops.
1 memoryplays 2018-12-05
You’re right I don’t believe you. Just two?
1 Kuonji 2018-12-05
I still have no idea why people like those ugly fucking things.
1 umar4812 2018-12-05
They're collectible items with a shared unique style. That's my guess.
1 Nadare3 2018-12-05
You're my role model now.
1 madvillainer 2018-12-05
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1 KingNothing305 2018-12-05
This is some next level oxymoron
1 bunkerman11 2018-12-05
Ur my role model
1 SkipperPauline 2018-12-05
Could I have a signed picture of your butthole please, I am a big fan of your work!
1 Jimbo_B_Beterson 2018-12-05
I dont have role models just people I try and fail at not disappointing.
1 JustLions 2018-12-05
You have to go back.
1 snallygaster 2018-12-05
When you're younger, you need people to model your behavior and aspirations off of. One of the major roles of parents is to be good role models.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
I can’t have male role models cuz I’m a woman? Ha!
1 TheMauveHand 2018-12-05
Well, no, you can't, not if you consider your gender as the cornerstone of your being (which you shouldn't, obvs).
1 snallygaster 2018-12-05
huh?
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
No but people will often see people that are like them succeeding as a sign that they can too. Saying "needing role models means you're weak" is the most retarded thing I've read all day and it's the top comment in this thread lol
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
I just don’t relate to other people only based on what’s between our legs.
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
Relating to somebody based on them looking like you =/= relating to "other people only based on what’s between our legs"
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
Relating to somebody based on them looking like you =/= relating to "other people only based on what’s between our legs"
Now if you can focus, equating having role models to having a loser mentality is fucking retarded. So many winners in life have talked about their role models and looking up to people who came from similar backgrounds to them. But you're a fucking edgelord so all of that is irrelevant to you
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
Wow, should have expected this from the reading comprehension of average drama user.
I didn’t say having role models was bad.
I said one shouldn’t need a role model to be able to accomplish things. I don’t have to see another woman doing something first for me to be able to do the same thing. I don’t need to sit around and wait for other women to take initiative to get up and do the same thing.
Role models are nice to have but you shouldn’t need them.
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
I would say role models are needed, in general, yes.
I just found this sub today, why is mayocide in the sidebar?
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
I completely disagree.
And of course, you don’t get what this sub is about lol
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
damned if I do damned if I don't
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
You don’t get anything that’s going on here because your reading comprehension is so bad...
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
k, if you can focus and get back on topic all by yourself lmk
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
The topic was about “relating people as role models by gender” all along and I was calling it dumb and not individualistic.
That was the thread OP linked to for drama. They are suddenly pissed at this role model because this person no longer identifies as a woman.
YOU stay on topic.
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
YOU are the one who said "average reading comprehension of a /r/drama user" I clarified on that, and YOU continued to berate me for this completely unrelated thing.
Last time we were on topic we left off at me thinking role models are needed and you disagreeing.
I believe role models are needed, in general, if for no other reason than people who have, as you put it, a "loser mentality." They can be useful for people who have that mentality now to grow and change into having a winner mentality.
You are being an edgelord by implying that needing those to change somehow makes you weak. Edgelords see low points in life as weakness or that there's something wrong with you. That if you're not born perfect and stay that way forever you're worthless. That's why so many edgelords are supremacists in some way or another, because they believe that by virtue of their birth they are already superior to others. Life is more complicated than that.
So in closing, role models are needed for those times in life that people have a "loser mentality," and I would say probably other reasons too, but at least for that.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
I’m a minority woman lol
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
So what? Do you have a response? Something that responds to the content I mean, or are you about to deflect or stop replying lol
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
You can’t put 2 and 2 together? Jeez!
It means I grew up without the “role models” from the same race and gender but guess what? I’m in STEM. Weird how that happens, eh?
Telling people that they need to have role models from similar backgrounds is a loser mentality.
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
claps
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At this point I honestly don't think you're going to understand if I explain why what you said isn't a response. I have the flu. If you can't respond at a similar level then this conversation is no fun.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
So, you are mocking a minority woman who made her own way in a male dominated field? lol get your morals straight.
Don’t blame it on the flu.
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
I'm mocking you for not making sense after you were mocking me. I don't care that you're a minority woman at all. I don't know what morals you're referring to here. Can you elaborate? Even though bringing up the minority woman thing was pretty out of left field at first, I guess you're saying that you succeeded despite the lack of role models. Which is in no way evidence that role models aren't needed in the slightest. Pretty ironic you were dissing my reading comprehension when I already responded to that in paragraph #4 of the message that obviously went over your head.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
Welcome to /r/Drama.
You have been acting like you care about how people need role models to succeed but you don’t because when someone like me succeds in my own way, you are not satisfied.
It is. What makes me special? Nothing. So, if I can go to STEM without ever having to search for a female role model, why can’t other women do the same? It is literally just a different type of academic field.
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
I don't wear a seatbelt and have never been in an accident that hurt me, so seatbelts aren't needed. Wearing a seatbelt is a losers mentality because you're admitting you might run into something.
I was able to pay for schooling, so student aid isn't needed.
It was cold today, therefore global warming doesn't exist.
I am satisfied by your success and have no idea what you're talking about. Just because you claim you didn't have role models doesn't mean society doesn't need them. One example otherwise does not disprove the whole on this at all. You're a fucking idiot and that's irrelevant to your gender/race/dental records.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
LOL it’s more like this
I am too dumb to wear a seat belt. I need to see someone from a similar background do it first. Even if it hurts my well being, it’s not my fault! I need a role model!
I am too dumb to take student loans. I need to see someone from a similar background do it first. Even if it hurts my academic future, it’s not my fault! I need a role model!
I am too dumb to research about global warning. I need to see someone from a similar background do it first. Even if it makes me ill informed, it’s not my dual. I need a role model!
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
I urge you to reread the part about idiot edgelords and their "I've never struggled and anybody that has is inferior" bullshit. I'm amazed you're in STEM since your mindset is pretty hxc 15 year old. Maybe you never grew up because you stuck with the other nerds with victim mentalities.
I was in STEM too hooray so excuse me if I'm not exactly floored by your credentials. You might be good at math but have stunted personal growth.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
Plus, why does the role model have to be from your gender? At first glance, I don’t see anything common with other women universally except having periods.
When it comes to academic fields, you can literally get inspired by anyone who’s prominent in that field.
All of my mentors have been male and I’ve never worked with another woman in the same department before. I can’t admire male mentors because they have penises? They can’t inspire me? They can’t be my role models?
Similar backgrounds to me isn’t having the same skin color or genitals. It’s about having the same values, interests and views. I won’t relate to just any successful woman just because they are a woman.
It is a loser mentality because you’re setting up young girls to fail. Some fields just don’t have that many women in them. So, there wouldn’t be enough female role models for those fields. Then, the young girls with the mentality of “we need role models based on gender” would never enter to those fields. Therefore, these fields won’t have any significant increase in female applicants at all. This repeats an endless cycle of lacking role models and needing them.
What we should teach young girls to take initiative if no one else is doing so. We should teach them to stop looking at just gender and draw inspiration based on INDIVIDUALITY.
After all, I thought we were strong and independent.
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1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
I get where you're coming from, thank you for elaborating.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
The dumb version in case you didn’t get it.
1 kickababyv2 2018-12-05
I'm honestly baffled, did you just play the minority woman card as your argument? like what year is it
1 XakeMarte 2018-12-05
Snally seriousposting wtf
1 werewolf_bar_mitzva 2018-12-05
Snally seriousposts like 100% of the time now. It's a real drag.
1 redmugofcoffee 2018-12-05
Snally does drag? Pics?
1 XakeMarte 2018-12-05
Post bussy /u/snallygaster
1 MAMStoic 2018-12-05
But GC femcels aren't kids.
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-12-05
Yeah but do they have to have the same genitals and skin color as you because you are too stupid to relate humans that don't?
1 vjaY619 2018-12-05
That's because the people that complain about "representation" ARE losers. Individualism and personal responsibility doesn't track with those mongoloids.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
I’m Asian, dummy.
1 vjaY619 2018-12-05
Wot?
1 GeauxHouston22 2018-12-05
I always forget how stupid you people are until I read something like this.
do you genuinely not understand the importance of role models?
1 Thebuguy 2018-12-05
whta't da impowtance?
1 GeauxHouston22 2018-12-05
I hope you fall off a huge cliff.
1 Thebuguy 2018-12-05
why so angry?
1 GeauxHouston22 2018-12-05
because you continue to exist.
1 Thebuguy 2018-12-05
I'm sorry that you feel that way and I'm so sorry about the feelings you are experiencing right now.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-05
Lmao
1 ZippityZoppity 2018-12-05
Role models are overrated. Kids need to stop tying themselves to a particular identity and see that people are doing things, not groups.
1 2Potemkin2Village 2018-12-05
Get a load of this idiot who believes in free will lmao
The individual doesn't exist.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
skips
Don’t have time for this NPC dialogue exchange.
1 2Potemkin2Village 2018-12-05
This is such an NPC response. Your whole history makes you sound like buttmad reddit white boy #47,000.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
Didn’t get either race or gender right lol
1 2Potemkin2Village 2018-12-05
You've assimilated because you're just like everyone else.
1 shitpersonality 2018-12-05
No jewdank = no care
1 dramallllama 2018-12-05
Role models are important but there are tens of thousands of women out there who are into any field of science. Reach out to them not some little kid.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
It doesn’t help women at all if you break it down.
Not enough role models to inspire in STEM fields -> not many women applicants
Not many women applicants -> lesser chance of producing successful women in STEM fields
Lesser chance of producing successful women in STEM fields -> not enough role models to inspire in STEM fields
Then, it’s stuck in an infinite loop. The only way to break it is to stop looking for role models and start taking initiative.
1 dramallllama 2018-12-05
Ahhh jesus serios post time. You don't need huge numbers of women to have an impact. Just find a dozen women scientists can be enough. But the real way to make change is to include women when taking pictures or other media events. If you present the idea that a female scientist is normal and ordinary it can have an impact on young children.
The issue here is that "liberals" push the message that being a female scientist as an oddity and then parade around her around like she is the only one. Just look at the insanity here. They treat her as such an oddity that she was flown out to Australia when she was a little girl in elementary school. The fact that she at the age of 14 decided to pursue art is such a groundbreaking thing the Washington Post ran an article. They are acting as if they lost one of the last females of a species.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
Data
The idea is more women getting into X field increases the chances of producing a handful of women who would excel in that X field.
Out of a 100 hypothetical women getting into X field, how many do you think would be on a genius level smart? How many do you think would become successful that they get recognized as prominent figures and appear in photo ops at conventions or seminars or whatever?
I’m definitely not at the top of my field. Very far from it. I’m above average at best. Being a woman in STEM isn’t enough to be a role model automatically. It’s extremely hard to master something especially STEM fields because they are very demanding and time consuming.
Not only that studies show men tend to be more extreme when it comes to being obsessed with something. Intelligence wise, there are also more men on the fringe than women. It’s rare to be extremely smart or dumb but within that rarity, there are more men exhibiting these extremes than women.
So, yes, statistically, we need more women in general so that we could score a handful of women who would excel in their field.
Personal Experience
Honestly? What you are encouraging had made me hysterical when I joined the workforce not long ago. I’m still suffering from the side effects of it. I was picked immediately as one of the “talents” to look out for as soon as I joined the workforce. I was a fresh graduate. They asked me for my photo and blasted it worldwide with a bunch of other women.
I didn’t know anything. I was Jon Snow. I was included because I was a woman. That made me think I was hired for a quota and I didn’t deserve to be there. Being a fresh graduate who knew nothing did not help at all. For 2 years, I suffered imposter syndrome. I may not be a genius but I’m not dumb. I accomplished everything assigned to me on time and exactly the way they were supposed to be BUT I kept telling myself I wasn’t smart enough. I managed to do all that stuff due to luck and support from mentors. I felt like a fraud who would get exposed any time. I didn’t ask for any raises either because I felt like I didn’t even deserve the position I had. I refrained from speaking out about my opinions because I was scared that I would be wrong. It stunted my career growth.
It took me a while to believe in myself again. It was terrible. Including women in things for the sake of including them is NOT recommended. Why can’t we treat people as individuals? Is that too radical?
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1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
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1 madvillainer 2018-12-05
I doubt the idea of role models in general. I just liked physics in school and got into physics, I don't remember thinking "I want to be like that guy"
maybe it works in careers that get more exposure like sports idk
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-05
Same here. I don’t really have role models. I do look up the seniors who mentored/have been mentoring me and I learned a great deal from them. However, we have nothing else in common. I’ve worked with only men in my life. Different races from different walks of life. Different personalities and also different interests outside of work. I don’t care if we don’t have things in common. I care that they know a lot and I just want learn as much as I can.
People need to think more strategically. I just don’t see why I need to have someone who looks like me to inspire me or teach me things....
1 captainpriapism 2018-12-05
1 ___Moufasa___ 2018-12-05
Hippity hoppity
1 end3red 2018-12-05
As a lady in STEM I approve of this.
1 HardCounter 2018-12-05
With a 300% hire rate over men that must have been a real accomplishment for you.
1 snallygaster 2018-12-05
Do you have a link about the hiring rate?
1 Lumene 2018-12-05
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360
They were wrong. It's only 200%
1 HardCounter 2018-12-05
I rounded.
1 Lumene 2018-12-05
Rounding up a whole 100% is Big Dick Energy move.
1 binenut 2018-12-05
Someone get this person a Ph D in psychology!
1 Kuonji 2018-12-05
Can we take a moment to appreciate that domain name?
1 Lumene 2018-12-05
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is unfortunately named.
1 snallygaster 2018-12-05
>academia
literally the ass end of STEM
1 Lumene 2018-12-05
It still mystifies me that Universities and Departments still teach assuming their students are going to be professors.
My department is at least 8:1 against.
1 Lysis10 2018-12-05
Hello fellow STEMcel. When I was in college, the only areas I found that were mainly men was maybe CS. I already had a career in CS, so was not interested. But never really thought about "oh look all boys here." Maybe in Physics, but physics is required for STEM degrees so there were still girls.
Do you find that true at your college?
1 madvillainer 2018-12-05
from my anecdotal experience from a non-burger uni: Biology, Chem, Math, Physics, CS
sorted by descending order of girl population
1 Lysis10 2018-12-05
Yeah, that seems about right. I think it's because bio, chem, math and physics are all required for most STEM degrees but you're not required to take CS classes to get, for instance, a bio or chem degree.
1 VidiotGamer 2018-12-05
I took CS back in '92 and there was something like 4 women in our graduating class of almost 1,000 CS majors.
1 Lysis10 2018-12-05
Yeah, I started CS in 94 I think it was. Then the dotcom bubble happened and I got a kickass job and quit like a lot of others. I don't regret it but when I went back I was bored of CS since I was working in the field. Decided to just study something that interested me so I did bio and chem. Took some CS classes thinking the obvious thing would be dual major and get a CS degree, but decided to just graduate.
But in 94 yeah I took FORTRAN and C and was one of maybe 2 girls. Can't remember anymore.
1 sevp 2018-12-05
Old gussy 🤢
1 GeauxHouston22 2018-12-05
always the first sign that someone is not, in fact, a lady.
1 SkipperPauline 2018-12-05
I am going for 35 year old pedo, sat in his pants and a vest with pizza stains on it.
1 bussy_queen 2018-12-05
Or trussy
1 RandolphCox 2018-12-05
does penis size matter?
1 stalejokesunlimited 2018-12-05
Is the mythbusters guy malnourished or is he cosplaying Steve Jobs or what exactly is going on with the skeleton look over here
1 a19761939 2018-12-05
That guy thinks art degrees should be considered as STEM.
1 xcallmesunshine 2018-12-05
Lmao I want this so fucking bad please - I have an art degree and that would be a licence to troll all day and night. I’m already thinking of all the comedy mileage that I could get out of it.
1 dratamard2 2018-12-05
article:
femcels:
etc
y all the femcels acting like this tussy was/is smart? literal retard lvl scientist cant pass a childs math class 🤕🤕🤕 truly was only getting praise for havin a gussyhole 😂😂😂 wat else is new ?? mayo gussy gets all the benefits in the world n mayo gussys whine online about discrimination. i lost my prestigious university career 2 drug addiction 😤😤😤, was jailed multiple times for years 😠😠😠, involuntarily committed 😡😡😡 even now when im homeless again u dont see me whining 👌👌👌 just shitpostin in my local public library
1 Vurtizontal 2018-12-05
Wait so she con herself into the upper areas pf the science community.
1 DeepReally 2018-12-05
1 XhotwheelsloverX 2018-12-05
Gussy itself is a con
1 shallowm 2018-12-05
it's gurl power you stupid maleoid
1 The_Long_Connor 2018-12-05
Stop oppressing me you fuck
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-12-05
She doesn't want to do science anymore. Now he's a dude into art. Really she was just making the robots and stuff from an artistic perspective instead of caring about the science behind it.
1 73696D756C6174696F6E 2018-12-05
^ Ed alt
1 DerekSavageCoolCuck 2018-12-05
> wasn't this the girl that was shamelessly made fun of by men in r/pics? they made rude comments about her appearance, calling her all sorts of misogynistic names. the mythbusters guy shes next to even stepped in to comment how rude the comments were being! no wonder she wants to transition, that experience must have traumatized her! because being a woman fucking sucks. this poor lass :(
"We did it, Reddit!"
1 kxxzy 2018-12-05
Imagine thinking someone will fuck up their body for life cause of some mean internet comments
1 ItsSugar 2018-12-05
Didn't an incel kill himself a couple of months ago over inceltears bullying?
1 UrMumsMyPassword 2018-12-05
We can only hope
1 wumbo17412 2018-12-05
hopefully
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-12-05
Whats wrong with that?
1 SkipperPauline 2018-12-05
Chris-Chan did
1 kxxzy 2018-12-05
Far from the picture of ideal mental health though
1 cleverseneca 2018-12-05
Chris-Chan is dead?!
1 SkipperPauline 2018-12-05
No, well at least not the last time I heard. He was wanking whilst singing all star, was an interesting video. But he did get bullied to the point he went transgender and smashed a sonic the hedgehog stand in a game shop and assaulted a shop keeper.
But alive, as far as I know.
1 22333444455555666666 2018-12-05
do you have any idea how retarded kids are
1 The_Long_Connor 2018-12-05
All these activists who get death threats and take them seriously remind me of this. If you think some nibba is going to throw his whole life away over "gaming journalism integrity", then you have a strong case of the 'tism.
1 umar4812 2018-12-05
Holy fuck, same person? I was actually wondering that as I read the linked article.
1 DerekSavageCoolCuck 2018-12-05
I'm not certain, but suspect so, yeah.
1 umar4812 2018-12-05
Found a link to the post. Definitely the same person, down to the face and name.
1 dramallllama 2018-12-05
Yes it is the same person. His new name was picked by his crazy parents.
1 ElonMuskar 2018-12-05
Whenever I see a STEM-related post on this shithole I hope it's some further fall-out from that CERN presentation. I feel like that should have been a lot more juicer than how it really was.
1 bigberthaboy 2018-12-05
??
1 EasySchmitty 2018-12-05
It’s somewhat ironic tbh. A few years back, all the STEMcels would flaunt themselves to everyone, saying that STEM was where the money’s at, it doesn’t carry the nonsense of arts degrees, and you’d be hired based on merit. And now STEM’s being given the old Silicon Valley treatment.
If you don’t want your career field to get flooded, don’t brag about it everywhere you go.
t. Not smart or autist enough to get a STEM degree so settled for something in business
1 WitYoAshyAss 2018-12-05
If it was flooded by people who got through the programs on their merit I'd be fine with it. Pushing people through because muh diversity and muh vagina is what actually happened.
1 JCDchameleon 2018-12-05
Hey don't lump us all in with CompSci. Some of us don't have to compete with H1B holders willing to work for pennies on the dollar
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-12-05
The pendulum is swinging back toward humanities degrees. Right now people with humanities degrees (obviously with the proper science pre-requisites) have better acceptance rates to med schools than pure STEM candidates as people realize that maybe having a bunch of chem/physics autists work in healthcare isn't the best move.
1 OccasionallyClueless 2018-12-05
The humanities probably have better interviewers, if I had to guess. Many stem people are great at technical interviews but are much less sociable and come across as stiff.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-12-05
The funny thing is, generally, most women are totally capable of performing well in the STEM fields. Its just that as our society knocks down more barriers for them entering the field, the more they choose to enter nursing, health care or other women dominated industries. Its like a fucked up catch-22 where the more the feminists accomplish, the less the actually get what they wanted in the first place: women in STEM.
1 Re_LE_Vant_UN 2018-12-05
Most people, in general, are not going to be capable in a STEM field. Most people are dumb as fuck. I don't see why women would think this doesn't apply to them as well...they can attribute at least some of the failures to, hey, it's not an easy field. Most males can't swing it either.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-12-05
That's sort of true. I'm a woman "in STEM" and I'm going into healthcare after I finish my degree. Bench research is boring af but I know some women who want to go into the research side of STEM. At this point there are probably more women majoring in bio than men so at least some of them are bound to stay in the field instead of leaving for healthcare or teaching.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-12-05
Bio is a cop-out anyways because its just a bachelors to enter the medical field.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-12-05
My school has a worse cop out degree than bio lol. They offer a pre-med degree that becomes useless if you don't go to med school and generally looks like shit on your application anyway.
1 OccasionallyClueless 2018-12-05
There were more women in my bio classes about 6 years ago too. Most of my colleagues at work now are women. There are more women joining STEM, but as a population they seem to have a more narrow range of interests, which I don’t find surprising. I’m mainly surprised that people still think “men and women would like exactly the same things if you give them the same exact opportunities.”
1 Kuonji 2018-12-05
see the nordic countries
1 Lysis10 2018-12-05
I think this is true. Not a lot of women are even interested in CS stuff. Most women on programming teams are designers or QA people, but I have run into a few database programmers and backend coders like myself. Not many. I just don't think it interests most females.
CS is also a volatile career because layoffs always hit IT and programmers. Healthcare is more stable. Someone always gets cut from the programming team.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-12-05
The actual reason is that autism is 4x more prevalent among males than females.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-12-05
Women just dont like things, they like people.
1 mechakingghidorah 2018-12-05
Bingo.
1 cleverseneca 2018-12-05
TFW nursing isn't a science job.
1 Elite_AI 2018-12-05
Imagine being literally anyone in that thread
1 ElectraUnderTheSea 2018-12-05
Wtf is the issue here. Guy who ends up transitioning pretended to be a girl for years, quelle surprise
1 definibusmalorum 2018-12-05
Nope.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-12-05
That's not at all what happened. A little girl who was into STEM as a kid decided that she wanted to become a boy. Now adults can't trot her around and praise her for liking science while being a girl. Because we all know that girls can't like science unless adults are constantly praising them for just doing normal kid shit like wanting to build a robot because robots are cool.
1 _simplify 2018-12-05
Why the fuck is this even an issue? Are these people just totally ignoring Marie Curie, Margaret Hamilton, Sally Ride, etc. Why does everyone have to be represented in everything nowadays?
Also, dude bussy lmao
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-12-05
"First $X in $Y" headlines are very clickable, encouraging more and more media outlets to follow the template in pursuit of ad revenue. In all likelihood, we're looking at a distortion of what actually concerns most people; I doubt many people care about representation when it's not a proxy for a systemic issue.
1 _simplify 2018-12-05
Well I’m looking at a bunch of spergs losing their mind about one tranny when there are incredibly influential women in STEM they could be looking up to instead. I mean, jesus— Curie is one of the most influential scientists in history, on par with fucking Einstein in her contributions to how we understand the universe.
1 KingNothing305 2018-12-05
Apparently I'm banned from Gender Critical even though I've never posted there. Seems like a nice little shit hole they have over there.
1 bunkerman11 2018-12-05
You're not missing much
1 burnitdownsyndrome 2018-12-05
even worse than being a tranny, eww
1 dramasexual 2018-12-05
tbh as a gussy in software development I kind of like the widespread bussy culture in the industry because it is MUCH easier for me to get on with people who can verbally shitpost and not take themselves too seriously than it is for me to get on with the sorts of people who hear a mention of XX chromosomes in any context and immediately say "that's kind of transphobic"*
*actual thing said to me by female former coworker
1 madvillainer 2018-12-05
bro fist 👊
1 cleverseneca 2018-12-05
Yeah the girls that were fans. They're totally the ones this is all about.
1 dramallllama 2018-12-05
It is always a good idea to have kids be your heroes.
1 shallowm 2018-12-05
LMAO
the absolute state of XX-chromosome bearers
1 20171245 2018-12-05
1 fanisreallyloudhelp 2018-12-05
literallywho
1 serial_crusher 2018-12-05
wouldn't that be a gick?
1 TendiesAndMeth 2018-12-05
Nah that's tran women
1 captainpriapism 2018-12-05
ahaha i remember when they posted their yearly adam savage photo with green hair and people were like "next year theyll be trans"