I don't think it's specifically for slightly out-of-shape middle aged men, just that the name comes from it.
However yes it doesn't mean obese. I'm not sure BBW does either, though, but I do think BBW refers to fatter people than dad bod', hence my "sort of". And no I won't google BBW to find out just how fat that means.
As an oldfag I'm qualified to answer :D But, it does get much harder to lose weight when you get older. In my 20s, I would just stop eating and would lose weight by the end of the week. Now, I had to make a lifestyle change to my diet and activity and this has been the only thing that has worked. I was never obese, but 20 pounds creeps up on you especially for me since I worked at home.
Also, you trade in activity for work...usually a desk job, so you become inactive. But, yeah you have to break out of the bad cycle and start working out and eating better. It's harder when you get older to lose the weight.
but dad bod isn't just overweight right? It's more like someone with decent muscle mass who also is kind of fat, e.g. +20% bodyfat. Like a powerlifter to give an extreme example.
When you're just inactive and fat you don't qualify for dad bod I think.
Looking up the definition, seems to be the case. However, not really knowing much about building muscle mass and stuff, I gotta admit I don't think I'd be able to tell a "fat + muscle" dad bod' from a "just fat" dad bod'.
it's pretty easy to tell, depending on the level of muscle mass and fat, e.g. broader shoulders, strong chest. But that's assuming good muscle development in the first place which usually isn't the case.
I agree the term has been mostly taken over by lazy fat men to claim they have a desirable body type.
Fatties are inferior and unnatural beings. Like most people seem to think being fat is just eating another meal, but your body actually burns more calories as you gain weight so to be obese you literally need to spend all of your day chasing a high of processed sugary garbage. The fact that they are even allowed to live among normal people is a miraculous act of (unwarranted) mercy
As a fat, well obese woman. I am on the fence too.
Ain't no fence holding you up, except maybe Trump's wall.
I know first hand shaming doesn’t work. It just makes things worse. But I also know pretending being obese can be just as healthy isn’t helpful. Healthy at any size? RME i can feel my body screaming under all this weight.
Shaming doesn't work, maybe you should try exercise and diet
And getting obese people better access to healthcare that actually works for them.
No thanks, we already pay for your healthcare more than enough in 'murica
I’ve done a lot of research in recent years,
Try seeing a doctor instead of going the Jenny McCarthy Google Degree route
telling people diet and exercise is the fast track to them just regaining all the weight down the line.
Self control, how does it work?
And of course there’s just... everything about our garbage food system.
It's the systems fault I can eat whatever I want!
It needs to be treated as an eating disorder with the same sensitivity we give to anorexia. And I think things like bariatric surgery has to become more accessible cost wise, and less stigmatized as an “easy way out.” It has a much better success rate than just trying to will oneself into being a “good” eater. There should be no shame in getting a surgery that will make maintaining a cleaner/leaner diet just a little bit easier.
Give me a surgery that will fix everything so I don't have to work for it.
I honestly don't understand people who claim it's hard to lose weight. It's pretty easy, especially if you're fat and the weight increases your calorie consumption passively.
Serious post, if you actually want to understand the problem better.
Problem is often mental health issues - using food as a coping mechanism for emotional issues and binge eating, basically. Like you can eat nothing and exercise for 99% of the time, but one bad binge puts them right back where they started.
This is why I think it’s much easier to gain weight, as failure doesn’t set you back and render your efforts null in the same way.
The mechanics of weight loss are simple, and everyone overweight should be trying and counting calories, but binge eating make it hard in a similar way addiction is hard. It’s very easy to just say “just don’t do heroin lol”; harder in practice. The solution is more to treat the underlying mental issues that lead them to overeat, (edit - on top of calorie counting and changes in nutrition of course) but the excess weight exacerbates how bad they feel and it can become a cycle of feeling bad and eating their feelings.
Like you can eat nothing and exercise for 99% of the time, but one bad binge puts them right back where they started.
I've been lifting heavy for over two decades and as such I regularly go through something very similar to a binge/diet type cycle as I eat, sometimes insane calorie loads, to build muscle and then diet to cut the fat off.
Generally speaking I keep these cycles down to about 3 months, because that's about as long as my willpower can last without fucking up on a diet of chicken breasts and kale. But here's the thing, most really fat people need a hell of a lot longer than 3 months to lose the weight they have, generally something like 2 years is more appropriate.
And on top of that, I have a ton of advantages:
Already have a gym habit (4 times a week for 2-3 hours).
I have super high basal metabolic rate due to being a muscle head.
I actually know what I am doing (obviously since I've been lifting for longer than the average redditor has been alive).
With all that taken into account, I'm not surprised that most people have such a hard time losing 100-200 lbs. That's kind of fucking insane. Of course your willpower is going to give out somewhere over the course of that huge duration. It's inevitable.
Frankly, the only real solution I can see is to make it so that people don't get so fat in the first place because once they do get up there, barring a medical miracle I don't think anyone without massive autistic levels of focus would be able to succeed in taking it off.
because that's about as long as my willpower can last without fucking up on a diet of chicken breasts and kale.
Well, you don't exactly need that diet just to lose weight - in your case, since you want to keep up your muscle mass it's probably different, but I've managed to fit in a 300kcal donut in a 1200kcal diet. imo, allowing yourself some treat foods is needed for most for a long term diet, because it stops you from craving foods.
a lot longer than 3 months to lose the weight they have, generally something like 2 years is more appropriate.
This is also significant, and where a lot of people overdo and cut to severely to speed up the process and can't keep it up. Or cut for a week, gain water weight (this happens on a deficit), and claim that it "doesn't work" and made them gain weight.
But it's more that a permanent lifestyle change is required to lose weight and not gain it back. And you see a lot of obese (and the statistics show the same) people claiming they can't lose weight without gaining it back because "normal" eating for them is overeating, and they don't realise this. imo, the key for conquering obesity is to find a way to eat the amount you need without feeling it's a torture. It's about building good habits more than willpower. If you rely solely on willpower, you won't be able to keep it up.
Well, you don't exactly need that diet just to lose weight - in your case, since you want to keep up your muscle mass it's probably different
That's generally a criteria of losing weight. It's not losing any weight possible, it's prioritizing fat loss while minimizing muscle loss. Going from a fat fuck to a skinny fat fuck isn't the goal.
I’ve read a lot of contradictory things on how possible it is to build or maintain muscle when losing weight, so I’m not completely sure, but generally I think fat people should concentrate on getting to a healthy weight and then build the muscle mass. They - like anyone else - should try and build an exercise habit, which will help prevent muscle loss - hell, ex fat people often have more muscular legs just from previously having to carry their weight around, and high protein diet would be ideal, but really the priority should be just losing the weight first.
I think it’s easier to just gain muscle after the weight loss when they’re no longer eating at a deficit.
If the fat fuck lacks muscle, I agree with your approach. If they have substantial muscle (you can be a fat fuck when you exercise and carry a lot of muscle), I disagree. It depends how much muscle you're willing to lose to reach your target. If a guy is carrying 125+ lbs of muscle, he might have to sacrifice a significant amount to reach target weight of under 200 lbs quickly.
I think it’s easier to just gain muscle after the weight loss when they’re no longer eating at a deficit.
This is called a bulk. You gain fat, muscle, and water when you do this.
I did keto to kickstart weight loss. Traded wine for vodka and stick to low carb now. Also walk 3 miles a day every day regardless of weather. I noticed that workout+low carbs makes it pretty easy to keep weight off even as an oldfag. Now though if I go to a dinner party and drink wine and eat a lot of carbs I feel sick the next day. This shitty feeling keeps me from binging on carbs although occasionally I've given in but it's rare.
I don't think anyone without massive autistic levels of focus would be able to succeed in taking it off.
Autism saves the day once again. Lost about 100 lbs when I was younger. Took a bit over 300 days and usually ate the exact same things every day, took multivitamin pills too. I didn't go insane, I didn't really care tbh. But I can see why most people don't have the autistic drive to do that.
With you on most of it. The main idea is to nip it in the bud. I just graduated college, realized I was getting a stomach, so joined an mma gym. It’s really not that hard to stay fit and not fat if you actually want to. Most people just don’t want to do the work.
Maybe if they're eating no more than around 600 calorie meals, but don't many restraunts have ridiculous portion sizes that amount to 1000 calories in a single meal? Is that considered a "normal" lunch/dinner for some?
And then there's the "harmless" snacking that slowly builds up. A lot of people don't realise that yes, a bag of nuts over a day can cancel out a 500 calorie deficit and don't count it, and say they only eat 2 meals and no snacks - although this can happen with bad calorie counting too. Or even that fruit juice counts as a sugary drink even if it doesn't have added sugar.
Uf you count calories you become more aware and knowledgable about how much you really need, and what foods are more/less calorie dense.
When I say two meals a day, I mean just that. Even if the meal is 1000 calories, that would be 2000 calories for the day which would still cause most of these people to lose weight in the short term.
Well, we're speaking of different people then. 170lbs is obese for your average height woman in the US. If they're sedentary, they only need to be eating 1800kcal a day to maintain that weight at the age of 20, and less as they become older. 2000 calories may help the morbidly obese drop some weight, but it would not make your average height woman not obese.
I think people would probably recommend less extreme diets than 1200 calories a day still. The goal is usually to lose a small amount of weight a day over a long period. Trying to crash diet leads to yoyoing.
Serious post, is that our brains are wired all wrong to make losing weight easy. Only a tiny, tiny % of people who try to lose weight actually lose it and keep it off.
Your body has all sorts of nasty tricks that makes it worse. Example; if you gain enough weight to cause your adipocytes to divide, congrats, you now have more adipocytes forever. The number is not going to decrease even as you lose weight, making it easier to put it back on because the "storage space" is already there. Its kind of meme to talk about the "microbiome", but that probably also comes into effect, as your diet lead to a community of microbes of type X, and changing that is going to have some knock-on effects for the rest of your body.
Plus your brain and digestive system get used to a certain level of intake and chemical levels, and its not clear that even getting down to a lower weight for more than a year will do anything to "rewire" those expectations, meaning you're going to feel miserable.
For people with any kind of mental health problems its even worse. There's some interesting correlations between attempts at weight loss and the occurrence of schizophrenic episodes in people with schizophrenia.
So in short, real talk, its pretty damn hard to lose weight, even though the mechanism is simple. At least addicts can compeltely cut out the thing they're addicted to from their life. Imagine being an alcoholic that had to drink just enough to get buzzed, but not drunk every day for the rest of your life.
I kind of view it like renewable energy; we're never going to come together and "do the right thing" because that's hard. We just have to pray for technology to save us.
I kind of view it like renewable energy; we're never going to come together and "do the right thing" because that's hard. We just have to pray for technology to save us.
I think the same way, on both.
For an individual person, it's very possible to permanently change with a lifestyle change and building of new habits. Problem is, most people do not seem to be willing to make a big lifestyle change. Especially for those with shitty jobs, they're sapped enough of energy as is.
Still, I think many more could do it if they a) learned more about nutrition and calories b) spent their energy on building good habits and not on short time diets that feel like torture. It won't solve the obesity crisis on its own, but can help people with the energy to put into a solution.
That probably helps, but I don't think it helps much, especially since medical science still has tons of unanswered questions that are very relevant to this topic.
spent their energy on building good habits and not on short time diets that feel like torture
Doctors have tried just about everything, even running someone on a mild diet like 1800 calories per day is going to be hard. The human body doesn't like change, and has many, many mechanisms to fight it.
It won't solve the obesity crisis on its own, but can help people with the energy to put into a solution.
Yeah, who are these people with energy? I've never met them. Though I suppose it is no coincidence that my best success at weight loss occurred during a period when I had no job.
My TDEE is close to 4000 calories and I'm still hungry every second of the day. My BMI is 21 as I do have self-control, but it's certainly not easy. If it was up to me, I'd eat 20,000 calories a day. I fucking love food.
it's not like T H I C C isn't a popular meme and lots of guys actually like girls like that. I don't, thicc girls need to get on a treadmill and eat more chicken and broccoli. Skinny > thicc
Lololo fat activists HATE chubby chasers because it's 'fetishization' They want fat to be normalized as attractive to the general population as attractive people because because they're that jealous and resentful.
HAES is a culling program, and Tess Holiday is a "pied piper" or "judas goat," guiding obese women towards early death.
The highest social cost is caused by those fatties who are just obese enough to not work, living off welfare instead, and who require costly medical treatments but who still survive into old age.
I've heard it said by non-fattys, only in reference to men or crackhead looking women. But I come from a culture where a guy being skinny like that is worse than being fat-but-strong.
True on that first part. At the worst part of my anorexia I was skin and bones and everyone but my family complimented me on “the weight I lost”. I looked sick. I’ve gained a lot of weight back and am working out so have more muscle mass. Went to the psychiatrist and my weight put me at a higher BMI (28). He told me they are required to tell anyone over a BMI of 25 to lose weight
I would love to see what this "skin and bones" woman with a BMI of 28 looks like. Reverse body dysmorphia is real.
Oh, my bad. I thought she meant she went to the psychiatrist when suffering from anorexia. Still, she seems to be implying that a BMI of 28 isn't overweight because she has "muscle mass".
I always find that funny. It's not too difficult for guys to be a bit into the overweight category when they lift weights and are not super cut (though you can be like 10% bodyfat and a bit overweight by BMI too but that takes some more work) but for women it doesn't have as much of an impact. Even female bodybuilders at 5'6" are only like 140 lbs if they're natural. Its just an excuse and usually they dont even work out often
It's definitely a thing for guys, but it's super fucking obvious that you aren't overweight and no doctor is going to tell you to lose weight unless you're obviously juicing and have like a 33BMI anyway.
Most guys who claim they're overweight but it's because they have so much muscle are just fat.
Yeah I tend to assume anyone complaining about BMI not accounting for muscle is just fat or at least chubby, unless they back it up with their body fat% (preferably by scan not callipers) or photo which shows muscle definition. And still, when you get near or into the obese range it’s bad for your joints anyway, muscle or not.
Problem is partly the view of what’s “obese” is so screwed up that mildly obese people are not seen as fat by a large amount of the population.
Every once in a while you get some legit fit person in a weird argument where someone claims they're fat because their BMI is 230 or something, but yeah if you were muscular enough to be over weight because of it you'd know you're an outlier and that the BMI system isn't designed to work with people with that type of body.
You're right about perception of obesity though, people get this idea that unless you're 300lbs+ you aren't that fat, but most people are going to be obviously overweight at 220+, even if not seriously obese.
Enter a serious physical illness and life-saving medication for it. I now eat healthier and exercise much more than I ever have before, but I can’t move the needle from 160lbs, most of which is concentrated in a ‘beer belly’ (I don’t drink.) Suddenly men are only interested in a hypothetical me ‘when you’re as hot as you were again,’ and even the doctors who diagnosed my illness, know how messed up my blood and scans are, and have known me for years suggest I ‘just lose weight’ at every single appointment, as if I didn’t know I need to, and as if that’s more important than the medications and specialist appointments I need just to remain alive.
She literally thinking beer can only go to certain parts of the body along with having no concept of how energy and matter work.
Ugly women might get a little hate, but they're basically invisible to men 99% of time (like older women) because they have "no value" because of their appearance. This has been pointed out millions of times.
idk if "most", but it is actually a known thing for people raped as kids to gain loads of weight as adults so nobody is attracted to them bc that freaks them out
So, last night I somehow ended up on the side of Youtube that's filled with "cringe compilations." Basically, they grab video clips of activists of different movements and compile the "cringiest" clips together. I don't recommend looking these up as many are very mysoginistic.
I think both fat acceptance and the dudebros (and others) hating fat women are anti-feminist, nonsensical and ultimately harmful. And as far as FA goes, i'm tired of choice feminism and vapid consumerism being dressed up and hailed as revolutionary or progressive. Models parading around in bikinis trying to sell me more shit is not the cornerstone of any real social justice movement, even if the models are chunky.
Obesity rates have soared since the sugar industry lobbied many decades ago to make fats the bad guy and to put sugar in everything (and don’t even get me started on high fructose corn syrup and big corn). There are industries and people making billions of dollars (paid for by you in the form of agricultural tax subsidies!!!) to make us sick. All the while we argue about whether it is a valid choice. This is liberalism.
Am I the only one here who chooses to not buy coke and white bread at the store?
What world do these people live in where a liter of cokeis more expensive than chicken breast
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1 saysmmkaywhenwrong 2018-12-09
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1 HardIsLife 2018-12-09
Why isn’t there something called “BBM” big beautiful men?
1 Nadare3 2018-12-09
There sort of is, "dad bod'".
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-09
I always thought “dad bod” was for middle aged men who are slightly out of shape due to aging. Not full on obesity?
1 Nadare3 2018-12-09
I don't think it's specifically for slightly out-of-shape middle aged men, just that the name comes from it.
However yes it doesn't mean obese. I'm not sure BBW does either, though, but I do think BBW refers to fatter people than dad bod', hence my "sort of". And no I won't google BBW to find out just how fat that means.
1 SamWhite 2018-12-09
Wise.
1 Fletch71011 2018-12-09
On what planet does aging make you out of shape?
1 Lysis10 2018-12-09
As an oldfag I'm qualified to answer :D But, it does get much harder to lose weight when you get older. In my 20s, I would just stop eating and would lose weight by the end of the week. Now, I had to make a lifestyle change to my diet and activity and this has been the only thing that has worked. I was never obese, but 20 pounds creeps up on you especially for me since I worked at home.
Also, you trade in activity for work...usually a desk job, so you become inactive. But, yeah you have to break out of the bad cycle and start working out and eating better. It's harder when you get older to lose the weight.
1 BellyCrawler 2018-12-09
Man, if I get to whatever age you are and I'm on r/drama, i think I'll just neck myself.
1 Lysis10 2018-12-09
lol it is good to be free
1 UsedTree 2018-12-09
Might as well give yourself a head start.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-12-09
Why wait until then? Carpe diem
1 k0lo0 2018-12-09
but dad bod isn't just overweight right? It's more like someone with decent muscle mass who also is kind of fat, e.g. +20% bodyfat. Like a powerlifter to give an extreme example.
When you're just inactive and fat you don't qualify for dad bod I think.
1 Nadare3 2018-12-09
Looking up the definition, seems to be the case. However, not really knowing much about building muscle mass and stuff, I gotta admit I don't think I'd be able to tell a "fat + muscle" dad bod' from a "just fat" dad bod'.
1 k0lo0 2018-12-09
it's pretty easy to tell, depending on the level of muscle mass and fat, e.g. broader shoulders, strong chest. But that's assuming good muscle development in the first place which usually isn't the case.
I agree the term has been mostly taken over by lazy fat men to claim they have a desirable body type.
1 Inceltiers 2018-12-09
Have you never heard of DILF?
Fucking hell do you even fuck underage girls? Fucking virgin
1 antimorphoid 2018-12-09
DILF is only used for fit older guys like Ben Affleck. There aren’t girls out there fantasizing about Al Bundy.
1 Inceltiers 2018-12-09
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1 not_Sombra 2018-12-09
it's called being a reddit mod, sweetie
1 UsedTree 2018-12-09
Bears, but it's only a gay thing for some reason.
1 pm_me_sphynxes 2018-12-09
Being an addict is bad and shameful.
1 satanismyhomeboy 2018-12-09
I have seriously never heard anyone utter the words that being an addict isn't bad and shameful.
My bros aren't woke though. Woke peeps aren't bros.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-12-09
Never met an h head?
Their gymnastics is deserving of gold tbh
1 satanismyhomeboy 2018-12-09
What, heroin addicts?
We don't even make eye contact during handjobs, let alone talk to each other. That's just common decorum.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-12-09
You know what... Yeah that's fair
1 Franken-Boob 2018-12-09
As a recovering addict, can confirm, is bad and shameful.
1 shitpersonality 2018-12-09
I'm addicted to being a recovering addict.
1 lifeisublime 2018-12-09
Every active addict would agree with you.
1 LightUmbra 2018-12-09
Nice dubs
1 wewladin 2018-12-09
EPIC LE OVERPOSTING!!!
1 NotchDidNothingWrong 2018-12-09
What about hippies?
1 lifeisublime 2018-12-09
Every active addict would agree with you.
1 LightUmbra 2018-12-09
Nice dubs
1 wewladin 2018-12-09
EPIC LE OVERPOSTING!!!
1 shiwanshu_ 2018-12-09
People hold interventions for addicts, should we do it to fatties too?
1 clock_watcher 2018-12-09
Will there be snacks?
1 kaczynskireborn 2018-12-09
Fatties are inferior and unnatural beings. Like most people seem to think being fat is just eating another meal, but your body actually burns more calories as you gain weight so to be obese you literally need to spend all of your day chasing a high of processed sugary garbage. The fact that they are even allowed to live among normal people is a miraculous act of (unwarranted) mercy
1 LighthouseToLunar 2018-12-09
I knew this day would come. Grab some twinkies and a harpoon, let's go.
1 myusername_sucks 2018-12-09
Ain't no fence holding you up, except maybe Trump's wall.
Shaming doesn't work, maybe you should try exercise and diet
No thanks, we already pay for your healthcare more than enough in 'murica
Try seeing a doctor instead of going the Jenny McCarthy Google Degree route
Self control, how does it work?
It's the systems fault I can eat whatever I want!
Give me a surgery that will fix everything so I don't have to work for it.
God let us fucking ping again!
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1 Nadare3 2018-12-09
I honestly don't understand people who claim it's hard to lose weight. It's pretty easy, especially if you're fat and the weight increases your calorie consumption passively.
1 k0lo0 2018-12-09
unfortunately as the result of years of social conditioning women have a very weak will and easily give into cravings.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Serious post, if you actually want to understand the problem better.
Problem is often mental health issues - using food as a coping mechanism for emotional issues and binge eating, basically. Like you can eat nothing and exercise for 99% of the time, but one bad binge puts them right back where they started. This is why I think it’s much easier to gain weight, as failure doesn’t set you back and render your efforts null in the same way.
The mechanics of weight loss are simple, and everyone overweight should be trying and counting calories, but binge eating make it hard in a similar way addiction is hard. It’s very easy to just say “just don’t do heroin lol”; harder in practice. The solution is more to treat the underlying mental issues that lead them to overeat, (edit - on top of calorie counting and changes in nutrition of course) but the excess weight exacerbates how bad they feel and it can become a cycle of feeling bad and eating their feelings.
1 VidiotGamer 2018-12-09
I've been lifting heavy for over two decades and as such I regularly go through something very similar to a binge/diet type cycle as I eat, sometimes insane calorie loads, to build muscle and then diet to cut the fat off.
Generally speaking I keep these cycles down to about 3 months, because that's about as long as my willpower can last without fucking up on a diet of chicken breasts and kale. But here's the thing, most really fat people need a hell of a lot longer than 3 months to lose the weight they have, generally something like 2 years is more appropriate.
And on top of that, I have a ton of advantages:
Already have a gym habit (4 times a week for 2-3 hours).
I have super high basal metabolic rate due to being a muscle head.
I actually know what I am doing (obviously since I've been lifting for longer than the average redditor has been alive).
With all that taken into account, I'm not surprised that most people have such a hard time losing 100-200 lbs. That's kind of fucking insane. Of course your willpower is going to give out somewhere over the course of that huge duration. It's inevitable.
Frankly, the only real solution I can see is to make it so that people don't get so fat in the first place because once they do get up there, barring a medical miracle I don't think anyone without massive autistic levels of focus would be able to succeed in taking it off.
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1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Well, you don't exactly need that diet just to lose weight - in your case, since you want to keep up your muscle mass it's probably different, but I've managed to fit in a 300kcal donut in a 1200kcal diet. imo, allowing yourself some treat foods is needed for most for a long term diet, because it stops you from craving foods.
This is also significant, and where a lot of people overdo and cut to severely to speed up the process and can't keep it up. Or cut for a week, gain water weight (this happens on a deficit), and claim that it "doesn't work" and made them gain weight.
But it's more that a permanent lifestyle change is required to lose weight and not gain it back. And you see a lot of obese (and the statistics show the same) people claiming they can't lose weight without gaining it back because "normal" eating for them is overeating, and they don't realise this. imo, the key for conquering obesity is to find a way to eat the amount you need without feeling it's a torture. It's about building good habits more than willpower. If you rely solely on willpower, you won't be able to keep it up.
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1 SlowFatHusky 2018-12-09
That's generally a criteria of losing weight. It's not losing any weight possible, it's prioritizing fat loss while minimizing muscle loss. Going from a fat fuck to a skinny fat fuck isn't the goal.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
I’ve read a lot of contradictory things on how possible it is to build or maintain muscle when losing weight, so I’m not completely sure, but generally I think fat people should concentrate on getting to a healthy weight and then build the muscle mass. They - like anyone else - should try and build an exercise habit, which will help prevent muscle loss - hell, ex fat people often have more muscular legs just from previously having to carry their weight around, and high protein diet would be ideal, but really the priority should be just losing the weight first.
I think it’s easier to just gain muscle after the weight loss when they’re no longer eating at a deficit.
1 SlowFatHusky 2018-12-09
If the fat fuck lacks muscle, I agree with your approach. If they have substantial muscle (you can be a fat fuck when you exercise and carry a lot of muscle), I disagree. It depends how much muscle you're willing to lose to reach your target. If a guy is carrying 125+ lbs of muscle, he might have to sacrifice a significant amount to reach target weight of under 200 lbs quickly.
This is called a bulk. You gain fat, muscle, and water when you do this.
1 Lysis10 2018-12-09
I did keto to kickstart weight loss. Traded wine for vodka and stick to low carb now. Also walk 3 miles a day every day regardless of weather. I noticed that workout+low carbs makes it pretty easy to keep weight off even as an oldfag. Now though if I go to a dinner party and drink wine and eat a lot of carbs I feel sick the next day. This shitty feeling keeps me from binging on carbs although occasionally I've given in but it's rare.
1 100_Percent_not_homo 2018-12-09
imagine being old in 2k18
1 Lysis10 2018-12-09
Well imagine no more for here it is.
1 binenut 2018-12-09
More likely than you'd think
1 ShinyHitmonlee 2018-12-09
It's over for oldcels
1 k0lo0 2018-12-09
Autism saves the day once again. Lost about 100 lbs when I was younger. Took a bit over 300 days and usually ate the exact same things every day, took multivitamin pills too. I didn't go insane, I didn't really care tbh. But I can see why most people don't have the autistic drive to do that.
1 Lord_Giggles 2018-12-09
It's really not that hard to just gradually eat a little less, which is all you need to lose weight as an obese person.
The idea you need a super controlled diet just isn't true and people use it as an excuse.
1 tathrowaway666 2018-12-09
With you on most of it. The main idea is to nip it in the bud. I just graduated college, realized I was getting a stomach, so joined an mma gym. It’s really not that hard to stay fit and not fat if you actually want to. Most people just don’t want to do the work.
1 ihopeitsnormal 2018-12-09
Gay
1 cragfar 2018-12-09
They don't even need to do that. Cut out sugar drinks and eat only 2 meals a day would cause most of these people to lose 40-50 pounds in a year.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Maybe if they're eating no more than around 600 calorie meals, but don't many restraunts have ridiculous portion sizes that amount to 1000 calories in a single meal? Is that considered a "normal" lunch/dinner for some?
And then there's the "harmless" snacking that slowly builds up. A lot of people don't realise that yes, a bag of nuts over a day can cancel out a 500 calorie deficit and don't count it, and say they only eat 2 meals and no snacks - although this can happen with bad calorie counting too. Or even that fruit juice counts as a sugary drink even if it doesn't have added sugar.
Uf you count calories you become more aware and knowledgable about how much you really need, and what foods are more/less calorie dense.
1 cragfar 2018-12-09
When I say two meals a day, I mean just that. Even if the meal is 1000 calories, that would be 2000 calories for the day which would still cause most of these people to lose weight in the short term.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Well, we're speaking of different people then. 170lbs is obese for your average height woman in the US. If they're sedentary, they only need to be eating 1800kcal a day to maintain that weight at the age of 20, and less as they become older. 2000 calories may help the morbidly obese drop some weight, but it would not make your average height woman not obese.
1 watermarx06 2018-12-09
I think people would probably recommend less extreme diets than 1200 calories a day still. The goal is usually to lose a small amount of weight a day over a long period. Trying to crash diet leads to yoyoing.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Depends on the starting weight. For a woman under 200lbs and not especially tall or active, 1200 is a good number and often the recommended amount.
I don't think 1200 is low for a short woman, my sedentary TDEE is only a little higher than that.
1 watermarx06 2018-12-09
600 calorie meals? Twice a day? Unless you are a midget or a child it's unsafe for practically anybody to adopt that as a long term diet.
1 alot_the_murdered 2018-12-09
This is a huge one. People who drink soda drink so fucking much of it. Like a 22oz cup is seem as a normal portion. It's fucking ridiculous.
They've gotten themselves to a point where they literally don't like the taste of water because it's not a sugar orgasm in their mouth.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-09
I love being 6' tall with an active career. If I eat less than 3500 cal/day I lose weight so fucking fast
1 SuperObviousShill 2018-12-09
Serious post, is that our brains are wired all wrong to make losing weight easy. Only a tiny, tiny % of people who try to lose weight actually lose it and keep it off.
Your body has all sorts of nasty tricks that makes it worse. Example; if you gain enough weight to cause your adipocytes to divide, congrats, you now have more adipocytes forever. The number is not going to decrease even as you lose weight, making it easier to put it back on because the "storage space" is already there. Its kind of meme to talk about the "microbiome", but that probably also comes into effect, as your diet lead to a community of microbes of type X, and changing that is going to have some knock-on effects for the rest of your body.
Plus your brain and digestive system get used to a certain level of intake and chemical levels, and its not clear that even getting down to a lower weight for more than a year will do anything to "rewire" those expectations, meaning you're going to feel miserable.
For people with any kind of mental health problems its even worse. There's some interesting correlations between attempts at weight loss and the occurrence of schizophrenic episodes in people with schizophrenia.
So in short, real talk, its pretty damn hard to lose weight, even though the mechanism is simple. At least addicts can compeltely cut out the thing they're addicted to from their life. Imagine being an alcoholic that had to drink just enough to get buzzed, but not drunk every day for the rest of your life.
I kind of view it like renewable energy; we're never going to come together and "do the right thing" because that's hard. We just have to pray for technology to save us.
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1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
I think the same way, on both.
For an individual person, it's very possible to permanently change with a lifestyle change and building of new habits. Problem is, most people do not seem to be willing to make a big lifestyle change. Especially for those with shitty jobs, they're sapped enough of energy as is.
Still, I think many more could do it if they a) learned more about nutrition and calories b) spent their energy on building good habits and not on short time diets that feel like torture. It won't solve the obesity crisis on its own, but can help people with the energy to put into a solution.
1 SuperObviousShill 2018-12-09
That probably helps, but I don't think it helps much, especially since medical science still has tons of unanswered questions that are very relevant to this topic.
Doctors have tried just about everything, even running someone on a mild diet like 1800 calories per day is going to be hard. The human body doesn't like change, and has many, many mechanisms to fight it.
Yeah, who are these people with energy? I've never met them. Though I suppose it is no coincidence that my best success at weight loss occurred during a period when I had no job.
1 Fletch71011 2018-12-09
My TDEE is close to 4000 calories and I'm still hungry every second of the day. My BMI is 21 as I do have self-control, but it's certainly not easy. If it was up to me, I'd eat 20,000 calories a day. I fucking love food.
1 JustLions 2018-12-09
Oh hell no, fisking is fucking cancer. Get this crap out of r/drama.
1 Wordshark 2018-12-09
Why?
1 myusername_sucks 2018-12-09
Nah
1 ABigBigThug 2018-12-09
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1 LemonScore_ 2018-12-09
Is this what they're pretending has happened, now?
1 tHeSiD 2018-12-09
Close eyes
Lalallalalalala
I I didn't hear you.
1 k0lo0 2018-12-09
it's not like T H I C C isn't a popular meme and lots of guys actually like girls like that. I don't, thicc girls need to get on a treadmill and eat more chicken and broccoli. Skinny > thicc
1 Ghirarims_Nose 2018-12-09
nah, gotta have something to grab onto
1 Let_you_down 2018-12-09
You just like them fat because they have a harder time running away from you.
1 WiggityWatchinNews 2018-12-09
You're stumbling dangerously close to kink shaming here
1 LighthouseToLunar 2018-12-09
Yeah I'm going to have to drop a large "yikes" on that comment
1 UsedTree 2018-12-09
Lololo fat activists HATE chubby chasers because it's 'fetishization' They want fat to be normalized as attractive to the general population as attractive people because because they're that jealous and resentful.
1 CadicalRentrist 2018-12-09
Also, gamergate was a harassment campaign.
The Civil War was about states rights.
1 trilateral1 2018-12-09
HAES is a culling program, and Tess Holiday is a "pied piper" or "judas goat," guiding obese women towards early death.
The highest social cost is caused by those fatties who are just obese enough to not work, living off welfare instead, and who require costly medical treatments but who still survive into old age.
HAES targets exactly this group, encouraging them to increase their intake until they die early, putting an end to expensive treatment, welfare and pension payments. (Type III obesity can shorten life expectancy by 14 years. )
1 binenut 2018-12-09
The Civil War was about ethics in journalism. Fuck the Roundheads.
1 2Potemkin2Village 2018-12-09
Gamergate might not have been a harassment campaign, but boy was it ever retarded.
1 KalebCS 2018-12-09
as is any internet-wide campaign championing whatever the f*ck, didnt stop some absolute retards to milk the tits out of it tho
1 2Potemkin2Village 2018-12-09
It made Milo, which I think is all you need to know about Gamergate.
1 THOT-AUDITOR 2018-12-09
It was wonderfully retarded and great for dramacoin.
1 Medibee 2018-12-09
Only fat people say this.
1 sevgee 2018-12-09
*fat women. Everytime someone does the HAAS routine, it's a woman.
1 Chicup 2018-12-09
Fat fetish dudes too.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-12-09
I've heard it said by non-fattys, only in reference to men or crackhead looking women. But I come from a culture where a guy being skinny like that is worse than being fat-but-strong.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-12-09
So you mean you come from a culture...
1 Chapocel 2018-12-09
In an attempted insulting manner
1 JayBaumanManhole 2018-12-09
It's over for ham-cels
1 shitpersonality 2018-12-09
And fat cells
1 XxNerdKillerxX 2018-12-09
These women should invest this time in actual gymnastics because they're mental gymnastics are olympic competition worthy.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
True on that first part. At the worst part of my anorexia I was skin and bones and everyone but my family complimented me on “the weight I lost”. I looked sick. I’ve gained a lot of weight back and am working out so have more muscle mass. Went to the psychiatrist and my weight put me at a higher BMI (28). He told me they are required to tell anyone over a BMI of 25 to lose weight
I would love to see what this "skin and bones" woman with a BMI of 28 looks like. Reverse body dysmorphia is real.
1 k0lo0 2018-12-09
can you read? She said she was thinner but doesn't state how thin and that she then gained weight back up until she had a BMI of 28.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Oh, my bad. I thought she meant she went to the psychiatrist when suffering from anorexia. Still, she seems to be implying that a BMI of 28 isn't overweight because she has "muscle mass".
1 k0lo0 2018-12-09
I always find that funny. It's not too difficult for guys to be a bit into the overweight category when they lift weights and are not super cut (though you can be like 10% bodyfat and a bit overweight by BMI too but that takes some more work) but for women it doesn't have as much of an impact. Even female bodybuilders at 5'6" are only like 140 lbs if they're natural. Its just an excuse and usually they dont even work out often
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Agreed. “Overweight by just muscle” may be a thing for men, but it’s basically impossible for a woman without steroids.
1 Lord_Giggles 2018-12-09
It's definitely a thing for guys, but it's super fucking obvious that you aren't overweight and no doctor is going to tell you to lose weight unless you're obviously juicing and have like a 33BMI anyway.
Most guys who claim they're overweight but it's because they have so much muscle are just fat.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Yeah I tend to assume anyone complaining about BMI not accounting for muscle is just fat or at least chubby, unless they back it up with their body fat% (preferably by scan not callipers) or photo which shows muscle definition. And still, when you get near or into the obese range it’s bad for your joints anyway, muscle or not.
Problem is partly the view of what’s “obese” is so screwed up that mildly obese people are not seen as fat by a large amount of the population.
1 Lord_Giggles 2018-12-09
Every once in a while you get some legit fit person in a weird argument where someone claims they're fat because their BMI is 230 or something, but yeah if you were muscular enough to be over weight because of it you'd know you're an outlier and that the BMI system isn't designed to work with people with that type of body.
You're right about perception of obesity though, people get this idea that unless you're 300lbs+ you aren't that fat, but most people are going to be obviously overweight at 220+, even if not seriously obese.
1 sea_lecture 2018-12-09
lmao obesity isn't attractive and never will be
this is peak femcel coping
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-09
She literally thinking beer can only go to certain parts of the body along with having no concept of how energy and matter work.
1 ihopeitsnormal 2018-12-09
She's probably an even 5 foot as well lmao
The classic bowling ball bod
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1 madvillainer 2018-12-09
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stay blackpilled
1 dramasexual 2018-12-09
idk if "most", but it is actually a known thing for people raped as kids to gain loads of weight as adults so nobody is attracted to them bc that freaks them out
1 madvillainer 2018-12-09
i can believe that
1 taxitaxixo 2018-12-09
This is true. I had a friend who was raped during her teen years and she tried to gain weight so nobody would hit on her
1 Captainbuttman 2018-12-09
So it takes an ugly woman to understand how average men feel all the time?
1 scattyduck 2018-12-09
Incels are also often fat which makes them less desirable, and they blame women for their lack of sex. You’re almost as bad as each other
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-12-09
I know this must be true, but for some reason I always picture incels as somewhere between rail thin and skinny fat. That's weird right?
1 taxitaxixo 2018-12-09
For realz? I always thought incels were skinny wimp guys?
1 scattyduck 2018-12-09
I’ve known more self identifying incels that were overweight or obese than skinny
1 taxitaxixo 2018-12-09
I just assumed because the poster boys for incels aka Mr. Gunshooter were skinny guys who looked like they needed to hit the gym to gain
1 ElonMuskar 2018-12-09
You can physically sense what this person's reddit profile looks like without even checking it.
1 double-happiness 2018-12-09
Showing women making fools out of themselves is so fucking misogynistic!!!
1 Protista_of_Peace 2018-12-09
At least someone in the thread knows what's up.
1 spookyguy109 2018-12-09
Yes, you viceful whore
1 tathrowaway666 2018-12-09
Yeah Tess holiday is a fucking beached whale
1 taxitaxixo 2018-12-09
Am I the only one here who chooses to not buy coke and white bread at the store?
What world do these people live in where a liter of cokeis more expensive than chicken breast