I’m always amazed how few people know about Gamergate. It’s not only the key to understanding so many violent harassment campaigns going on today, it’s lots of the same people angry about the same stuff using the same playbook.
Feminism is about equality. It supports everyone. Calling black women the dominant gender is misleading. Black women as a group are working a lot harder to better themselves than black men as a group. We're not randomly getting degrees or starting businesses. They aren't being handed to us. We're working for them. The trend with black men has been to blame black women for not helping and support them while at the same time being unwilling to support black women. Sexism and racism are separate issues. Being black doesn't mean you don't have male privilege. You need to be willing offer the support you expect to be given.
Everyone doing better than us is oppressing us and everyone beneath us are lazy nigs.
This is completely different. African immigrants are very different from black people in America. This is a comment made about the same exact people except the only difference is gender.
This is completely different. African immigrants are very different from black people in America. This is a comment made about the same exact people except the only difference is gender.
This is completely different. African immigrants are very different from black people in America. This is a comment made about the same exact people except the only difference is gender.
African immigrants don't hate whitey though. I've ridden in several cabs with people from Kenya and Uganda and MOST of them will rant about "how lazy the blacks who were born here are" without a prompting. Just ask them "what's it like being an immigrant?" And they will rant about it.
About 10 years ago I roomed with a Jamaican guy. When I first met he was absolutely adamant that he was not black, he was Caribbean. Went off about lazy black people. Fast forward 5 years, get an IT job. Meet a guy who was half Jamaican and half Bahaman. Tells me the exact same shit. Not African but it seems common.
I had a woke white chick railing on me in class when I said just because your skin is black doesn’t mean someone identifies as black or African-American and Africa is more than just a place. Like how tf you gonna say someone from Somalia and Liberia are the same, thats some retarded ass shit
Some of these people don't actually due much research h beyond the shit they see on Twitter. Imagine thinking Africa is a homogenous culture. Being that ignorant and still acting like you know what you're talking about
I mean, it's just as retarded as the whole white thing. I'm a dirty eastern European whose grandparents came to the US because they were getting dunked on yet I'll be thrown in the same boat as every other white here.
Last taxi driver I had immigrated from Romania a decade ago and ranted about the new wave of immigrants, calling them freeloaders. Also bitched a bit about uber.
Last taxi driver I had said his credit card reader worked, then let me out Midway through when it turned out I didn't have cash on me because his credit card reader didn't work. Thank God for Uber
In Boston it's actually illegal to operate your taxi without a functioning credit card reader. It used to be a decently common scam to claim it was "broken".
Well the immigrants are presumable upper-middle class - it’s not surprising at least that they disapprove of the largely working class black people in America. Middle class white people feel the same about “white trash” (or chavs, here in the uk). A lot of the complaints/experiences of black people in America are just the same as the complaints of lower class people elsewhere - such as being judged as unintelligent by their accents, people being prejudiced against them and seeing them as being predisposed to violence.
You can see it in the way “white people” is used in the US in almost the exact same way “middle class” is used in the UK
Hell, even working class immigrants don't like lazy folks in the U.S.
I used to get in touch with a number of Asian immigrants, and none of them approve of Black people because in their eyes, Black people are squandering the opportunities they have. Plus when Asian gets robbed, it's mostly Black people doing it.
Well I wouldn’t know, but were these Asian immigrants considered working class in their own countries? I would think again it would be the middle class saying this.
It’s also a bit different in the UK, because class is separate from wealth. An upper middle class person can be as rich as they like, but still won’t have the same social standing as a poor upper class person - their children may be upper class, but they will always be seen as middle class. Apparently this is not the case in the US.
were these Asian immigrants considered working class in their own countries?
The ones I knew came from dirt poor villages that relies on them sending money back home to sustain them. A lot of them are also illiterate and only farmed land or did manual labor before they got here. I consider that working class enough.
accent and what language
I don't know much about Mainland accent, but their word usage clearly indicated they are not from a educated family.
The upper middle class people aren't the ones calling others lazy, it's the middle class ones.
Getting into a university is really difficult in most developing countries because there just aren't enough spots for everyone. Middle class immigrants usually live in conditions that are worse than most African-Americans live in, work really hard in their home country to get into university for undergrad, work even harder to get a high GPA to get accepted into an American university for graduate studies.
These people that always worked to be in the top 1% of every classroom they have been in understandably get mad at African Americans who can't even bother finishing high school.
I was going to say that is one of the most racist/sexist things I've seen written but then I remembered it was in /r/blackladies where that shit is par for the course. Imagine implying black men have it easy compared to women.
Black men have enough supporters. I’m here for black women, and that is who I’m going to fight for. Black men have each other, organized religion that puts them on pedestals, and many more women fighting for them than for each other.
I feel like they're basing this on that OK cupid analysis which showed black women to be least preferred.(or at least have the lowest response rate or something)
Seriously though, incels are seen as this exclusively alt-right, white dude thing when anyone with a brain sees black women, indian men and asian men complaining more than anyone else.
I wouldn't call running some averages "rigorous" necessarily, but they did have really interesting and unique data because their numbers reflected what people actually did rather than what people say they would do when asked by a survey (there's a big difference between the two).
Getting accurate data on how people "really" feel about different races/ethnicities is probably even harder than getting accurate data about sensitive sexual and substance-use behaviors (which is infamously difficult).
It's less about their study being done well and more that almost all psychological and sociological studies amount to questionnaires of college students.
It's the closest to the intuition many had, but could not state due to the accepted norm of discourse being blanket affirmation and know-nothing statements.
The perspective from these women is of historically segregated churches. (don't know much about religions other than Christianity or countries other than the States so bear that in mind.)
Those denominations essentially had to relearn what it was to practice organized religion after emancipation 150 years ago. The pattern you see repeatedly is of the African so-called "Big Man" congregational leader or leaders, some number of meek follower men, and a majority female congregational demographic.
If you are familiar with the post WW2 history of black communities, it will be easy to see how from the perspective of one of those faithful church attending women, it will seem like men are the preferred sex. After all they make up leadership, etc, etc. Such a person will not have had an easy road to seeing the majority of unchurched black men, who are more or less excluded from religious and community life.
I have seen what I just described referred in general to as the apex fallacy women as a whole tend to apply to men, but the people using that term were kind of meninist losers so I hesitate to endorse the connotation.
Black women are an overwhelmingly religious demographic. So if organized religion puts black men on pedestals, and if black women find that problematic, I have a suggestion for them.
I was just reading the other day that statistically speaking those Title IX kangaroo courts target black men way more than anyone else. Something like 50% of the people expelled are black males for "sexual harassment" or "rape" which is pretty incredible considering they make up something like ~8% of the total university population.
The irony of this is that the kangaroo courts are often justified on the basis of standing up to “privileged white men” while they are screwing over minorities.
If it's feminism that's gotten white women to stop having children and cut off their long beautiful hair because of "male beauty standards" then I'm curious what it will do to black women. The ideology has become extremely corrupted and black women don't necessarily have to succumb to it. If black women manage to reform feminism, then, as a white supremacist, I think I'd have to concede that black women are smarter and that white women are just livestock to be used for breeding.
Black women as a group are working a lot harder to better themselves than black men as a group.
lmao, just because you don't have the entire weight of the criminal legal system on your neck doesn't mean you're 'working harder'. You're just extremely privileged in various ways compared the black men, period.
BLM was founded by three black women
Yeah and none of them can say it's a male issue with their full throat. They include women despite the fact that black men are like twenty times more likely to abused by the system. You know who Sandra Bland is because these three women want to appropriate the suffering mostly felt by men for use of black women.
Can you name a 'women's issue' that is this inclusive? You couldn't.
Feminism clearly doesn't help black men. It clearly otherizes them even further and the wannabe white squad of blackladies proves this.
The battleaxes in that thread will flip to 'feminism is about men's rights, too'? Doubt.
Different people who say things for different reasons aren't hypocrites if they don't agree with each other.
Feminism: "you don't need men's rights groups because feminism works for men's rights too"
this can mean one of two things. That the liberation of women from gender roles automatically frees men. You don't need to center men for this to happen, in their minds. Or, that intersectional, Everyday Feminism does center people other than women.
Also feminism: "why the fuck would we care about these men's issues. They have enough support".
These are the feminists who will straight up tell you feminism isn't about men's liberation. I mean, try going to r/mensrights and asking them what they are doing to help third world women get menstrual supplies. Good luck, because you'd need it. Same deal with a lot
So, is it that people flip back and forth between these beliefs, or is it that you have a a lot of often conflicting goals and ideas about feminism?
Except that both of those groups will tell you modern feminism is about equality. Which it categorically isn't. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, but it's dishonest at best.
Believe in patriarchy and equality is equality for women. I think it's stupid, but they aren't necessarily being dishonest, just misguided. I think dishonesty would imply that they believe something other than what they are babbling about.
In the beginning, feminists had somewhat of an excuse for believing this. One of the first things that happened was they sued newspapers for having employment ads listed under 'jobs for women' and 'jobs for men'. So, get rid of that, men aren't stuck in their section of the ads either. Liberation! Of course, it ended up being bullshit in the long run.
this can mean one of two things. That the liberation of women from gender roles automatically frees men. You don't need to center men for this to happen, in their minds. Or, that intersectional, Everyday Feminism does center people other than women.
Women as a group are the people who are most responsible for continuing rigid gender roles. Look at the thread, they say because they are opening businesses or whatever the men need to be doing something worthy of getting a woman business owner. Why? What reason does the average woman have for needing a man who makes plenty of money if she makes plenty of money? What entitlement is that?
You can look at doctors for a really close up examination. Something like 50% of female doctors just give it up once they find an adequately rich man to pay for her to have babies. Its a national crisis waiting to happen in the UK because so many shit doctors have to be brought in to replace these women who have used education and high status jobs as nothing more than window dressing in the search for a high paid, high status man.
I wonder how things are going to be in 10 years time when men simply dont make as much money as women most of the time.
I'm still not seeing the 50% number. But, the article did go into the causes of whatever number of women leaving medicine. My gut feeling is that someone doesn't go to medical school to meet a rich husband, but what do I know? Also, isn't she just as high status as he is? Maybe he can help upset rigid gender roles by giving up his practice to take care of the kids. It's worth a try.
But, I agree that thinking a man has to be of at least the same status as the woman in order to be dating material is reinforcing sexist norms. Just pick a person because they are decent.
My gut feeling is that someone doesn't go to medical school to meet a rich husband, but what do I know?
In general you are right but there was a thing I cant find by Forbes ot NTY or the like that had this huge infographic on who married who based on jobs. For male doctors there were plenty of receptionists, admin staff etc but there was very, very few female doctors who were marrying porters or equipment techs.
Its always been this way and probably always will be this way though women dont like men who they dont see as 'better' than them.
And after 50 years of womens issues being front and center to the point that young women out-earn young men across the board (until child bearing age) what do they think will happen when they start to see 90-95% of men as inadequate?
Just look at /r/TrollXChromosomes a subreddit that unless told otherwise you would think it's a suicide cults attempt to keep people inside the compound with the promise of loneliness.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-12-09
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1 JayBaumanManhole 2018-12-09
It's over for Tyrone-cels
1 PureGold07 2018-12-09
Lol banned there for commenting in a sub they didn't like.
1 CarlosIIvonHabsburg 2018-12-09
I'm not allowed to post in /r/naturalhair. as if my presence will somehow ruin the experience of discussing afro textured hair.
1 Osterion 2018-12-09
Post curly locks
1 CarlosIIvonHabsburg 2018-12-09
you really don't wanna see 'em. Also it's kinky, not curly.
1 PureGold07 2018-12-09
Right.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-09
Everyone doing better than us is oppressing us and everyone beneath us are lazy nigs.
1 MAMStoic 2018-12-09
From what I hear this is the opinion that modern black migrants from Africa have regarding African-Americans as a whole.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-09
This is completely different. African immigrants are very different from black people in America. This is a comment made about the same exact people except the only difference is gender.
1 MAMStoic 2018-12-09
Maybe you're right. Also you posted this comment thrice.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-09
Thanks.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-09
This is completely different. African immigrants are very different from black people in America. This is a comment made about the same exact people except the only difference is gender.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-09
This is completely different. African immigrants are very different from black people in America. This is a comment made about the same exact people except the only difference is gender.
1 GreasyPeter 2018-12-09
African immigrants don't hate whitey though. I've ridden in several cabs with people from Kenya and Uganda and MOST of them will rant about "how lazy the blacks who were born here are" without a prompting. Just ask them "what's it like being an immigrant?" And they will rant about it.
1 TheSubredditPolice 2018-12-09
About 10 years ago I roomed with a Jamaican guy. When I first met he was absolutely adamant that he was not black, he was Caribbean. Went off about lazy black people. Fast forward 5 years, get an IT job. Meet a guy who was half Jamaican and half Bahaman. Tells me the exact same shit. Not African but it seems common.
1 PDaviss 2018-12-09
I had a woke white chick railing on me in class when I said just because your skin is black doesn’t mean someone identifies as black or African-American and Africa is more than just a place. Like how tf you gonna say someone from Somalia and Liberia are the same, thats some retarded ass shit
1 The_Long_Connor 2018-12-09
Some of these people don't actually due much research h beyond the shit they see on Twitter. Imagine thinking Africa is a homogenous culture. Being that ignorant and still acting like you know what you're talking about
1 DrPessimism 2018-12-09
"some"
1 Fletch71011 2018-12-09
I mean, it's just as retarded as the whole white thing. I'm a dirty eastern European whose grandparents came to the US because they were getting dunked on yet I'll be thrown in the same boat as every other white here.
1 Neon_needles 2018-12-09
>Pround to be a slav
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lol first mistake bud
1 joeflux 2018-12-09
It's interesting to note that Richard Dawkins is African. As in, was literally born in Kenya.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-12-09
Jamaican, African, and indie immigrants tend to be highly fucking educated for their homelands.
1 CarmenBellaxoxo 2018-12-09
There are highly educated for your "homeland".
1 Dildokin 2018-12-09
Last taxi driver I had immigrated from Romania a decade ago and ranted about the new wave of immigrants, calling them freeloaders. Also bitched a bit about uber.
1 GreasyPeter 2018-12-09
It's not a taxi ride if you're driver doesn't bitch about Uber.
1 PDaviss 2018-12-09
Were you in a south park episode
1 uniqueguy263 2018-12-09
Last taxi driver I had said his credit card reader worked, then let me out Midway through when it turned out I didn't have cash on me because his credit card reader didn't work. Thank God for Uber
1 Fatvod 2018-12-09
In Boston it's actually illegal to operate your taxi without a functioning credit card reader. It used to be a decently common scam to claim it was "broken".
1 Neon_needles 2018-12-09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JAC5xKcv1I
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Well the immigrants are presumable upper-middle class - it’s not surprising at least that they disapprove of the largely working class black people in America. Middle class white people feel the same about “white trash” (or chavs, here in the uk). A lot of the complaints/experiences of black people in America are just the same as the complaints of lower class people elsewhere - such as being judged as unintelligent by their accents, people being prejudiced against them and seeing them as being predisposed to violence.
You can see it in the way “white people” is used in the US in almost the exact same way “middle class” is used in the UK
1 Pepperglue 2018-12-09
Hell, even working class immigrants don't like lazy folks in the U.S.
I used to get in touch with a number of Asian immigrants, and none of them approve of Black people because in their eyes, Black people are squandering the opportunities they have. Plus when Asian gets robbed, it's mostly Black people doing it.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
Well I wouldn’t know, but were these Asian immigrants considered working class in their own countries? I would think again it would be the middle class saying this.
It’s also a bit different in the UK, because class is separate from wealth. An upper middle class person can be as rich as they like, but still won’t have the same social standing as a poor upper class person - their children may be upper class, but they will always be seen as middle class. Apparently this is not the case in the US.
1 Pepperglue 2018-12-09
The ones I knew came from dirt poor villages that relies on them sending money back home to sustain them. A lot of them are also illiterate and only farmed land or did manual labor before they got here. I consider that working class enough.
I don't know much about Mainland accent, but their word usage clearly indicated they are not from a educated family.
1 Skyright 2018-12-09
The upper middle class people aren't the ones calling others lazy, it's the middle class ones.
Getting into a university is really difficult in most developing countries because there just aren't enough spots for everyone. Middle class immigrants usually live in conditions that are worse than most African-Americans live in, work really hard in their home country to get into university for undergrad, work even harder to get a high GPA to get accepted into an American university for graduate studies.
These people that always worked to be in the top 1% of every classroom they have been in understandably get mad at African Americans who can't even bother finishing high school.
1 allwordsaredust 2018-12-09
I meant upper to middle class, my bad.
1 MrGigantic 2018-12-09
You’ve ridden in several cabs where the black driver starts bad mouthing blacks to you the white boy? Yeah sure buddy.
1 Dramaste 2018-12-09
I remember it mentioned in the play A Raisin In The Sun and that play is older than the cobwebs in your momma's pussy.
1 nomad1c 2018-12-09
they kinda are tho 🤔🤔
1 Throwthatawayk77 2018-12-09
So hard work gets you places in society eh? But I thought meritocracy was a myth?
1 Fletch71011 2018-12-09
I was going to say that is one of the most racist/sexist things I've seen written but then I remembered it was in /r/blackladies where that shit is par for the course. Imagine implying black men have it easy compared to women.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-12-09
Same black women that co-op BLM for their own purposes to push feminism and then claim men have it easier and are lazier.
1 Aivias 2018-12-09
Literally the opposite of reality.
1 aX10mAt1CaL1Y 2018-12-09
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
1 MAMStoic 2018-12-09
I feel like they're basing this on that OK cupid analysis which showed black women to be least preferred.(or at least have the lowest response rate or something)
1 Throwthatawayk77 2018-12-09
Yeah blackladies and asianmasculinity are basically two sides of the same incel coin
1 Aivias 2018-12-09
Its over for blackfemcels.
Seriously though, incels are seen as this exclusively alt-right, white dude thing when anyone with a brain sees black women, indian men and asian men complaining more than anyone else.
1 Osterion 2018-12-09
I love how influencial some stupid dating service "study" has been on Internet relationship discourse.
1 notcyberpope 2018-12-09
Probably because it was the most scientifically rigorous sociological thing ever done.
1 IllustriousQuail 2018-12-09
I wouldn't call running some averages "rigorous" necessarily, but they did have really interesting and unique data because their numbers reflected what people actually did rather than what people say they would do when asked by a survey (there's a big difference between the two).
Getting accurate data on how people "really" feel about different races/ethnicities is probably even harder than getting accurate data about sensitive sexual and substance-use behaviors (which is infamously difficult).
1 notcyberpope 2018-12-09
It's less about their study being done well and more that almost all psychological and sociological studies amount to questionnaires of college students.
1 Aivias 2018-12-09
So, lies then.
1 binenut 2018-12-09
It's the closest to the intuition many had, but could not state due to the accepted norm of discourse being blanket affirmation and know-nothing statements.
1 aX10mAt1CaL1Y 2018-12-09
Especially if you point out those differences to be rooted in biology.
1 KingWayneX 2018-12-09
It made women look terrible and has been memory holed. No need to worry about it any more.
1 Alicesnakebae 2018-12-09
What religion do black men have or are they talking about black cock fetishists
1 JayBaumanManhole 2018-12-09
Blacked.com
1 binenut 2018-12-09
The perspective from these women is of historically segregated churches. (don't know much about religions other than Christianity or countries other than the States so bear that in mind.)
Those denominations essentially had to relearn what it was to practice organized religion after emancipation 150 years ago. The pattern you see repeatedly is of the African so-called "Big Man" congregational leader or leaders, some number of meek follower men, and a majority female congregational demographic.
If you are familiar with the post WW2 history of black communities, it will be easy to see how from the perspective of one of those faithful church attending women, it will seem like men are the preferred sex. After all they make up leadership, etc, etc. Such a person will not have had an easy road to seeing the majority of unchurched black men, who are more or less excluded from religious and community life.
I have seen what I just described referred in general to as the apex fallacy women as a whole tend to apply to men, but the people using that term were kind of meninist losers so I hesitate to endorse the connotation.
1 JakeDC 2018-12-09
Black women are an overwhelmingly religious demographic. So if organized religion puts black men on pedestals, and if black women find that problematic, I have a suggestion for them.
1 Fletch71011 2018-12-09
TIL /r/blackladies is the new /r/incels.
1 Matthew1J 2018-12-09
No it's the old /r/incels. It was /r/incels before /r/incels even was a thing.
1 yamabikos 2018-12-09
i knew it lol
1 banananutbranmuffin 2018-12-09
Sometimes they just outright admit they're sexist if you pry at it enough.
1 VidiotGamer 2018-12-09
I'm going to go with "no."
I was just reading the other day that statistically speaking those Title IX kangaroo courts target black men way more than anyone else. Something like 50% of the people expelled are black males for "sexual harassment" or "rape" which is pretty incredible considering they make up something like ~8% of the total university population.
1 MAMStoic 2018-12-09
I feel sorry for those guys.
Gussy not even once.
1 CosmicPaddlefish 2018-12-09
The irony of this is that the kangaroo courts are often justified on the basis of standing up to “privileged white men” while they are screwing over minorities.
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-12-09
As is tradition
1 choriposting 2018-12-09
Shit, Hillary was fine AF, goddamn.
1 binenut 2018-12-09
I know you're joking, but actually... .
To a certain kind of fella who is drawn to intellectual feminity, she was Kryptonite 40 years ago.
1 JustLions 2018-12-09
I fucking love that picture of (Bill Clinton) [https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/afp-classmate-recalls-clinton-politically-astute-at-20-2016-7].
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-12-09
That photo screams power couple. Whether it was politics or home made meth empire wouldn't matter.
1 nmx179 2018-12-09
Holy shit Bill's mane is magnificent, he should never have cut that.
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-12-09
I had a college professor say I looked like bill in that pic.
1 Sara_Solo 2018-12-09
If it's feminism that's gotten white women to stop having children and cut off their long beautiful hair because of "male beauty standards" then I'm curious what it will do to black women. The ideology has become extremely corrupted and black women don't necessarily have to succumb to it. If black women manage to reform feminism, then, as a white supremacist, I think I'd have to concede that black women are smarter and that white women are just livestock to be used for breeding.
1 mydramaaccount 2018-12-09
lmao, just because you don't have the entire weight of the criminal legal system on your neck doesn't mean you're 'working harder'. You're just extremely privileged in various ways compared the black men, period.
Yeah and none of them can say it's a male issue with their full throat. They include women despite the fact that black men are like twenty times more likely to abused by the system. You know who Sandra Bland is because these three women want to appropriate the suffering mostly felt by men for use of black women.
Can you name a 'women's issue' that is this inclusive? You couldn't.
Feminism clearly doesn't help black men. It clearly otherizes them even further and the wannabe white squad of blackladies proves this.
1 tHeSiD 2018-12-09
Next Olympics they should have mental gymnastics as a new sport.
1 Guesswhat87 2018-12-09
2 replies in and black on black crime is mentioned
I sense a purity spiral coming
1 GreasyPeter 2018-12-09
Feminism: "you don't need men's rights groups because feminism works for men's rights too"
Also feminism: "why the fuck would we care about these men's issues. They have enough support".
1 Protista_of_Peace 2018-12-09
I think they agree the first statement is bullshit.
1 Wordshark 2018-12-09
Yeah in this conversation
1 morerokk 2018-12-09
In this thread, yes. In another thread the same exact people will flip over to the first one again.
1 Protista_of_Peace 2018-12-09
The battleaxes in that thread will flip to 'feminism is about men's rights, too'? Doubt.
Different people who say things for different reasons aren't hypocrites if they don't agree with each other.
this can mean one of two things. That the liberation of women from gender roles automatically frees men. You don't need to center men for this to happen, in their minds. Or, that intersectional, Everyday Feminism does center people other than women.
These are the feminists who will straight up tell you feminism isn't about men's liberation. I mean, try going to r/mensrights and asking them what they are doing to help third world women get menstrual supplies. Good luck, because you'd need it. Same deal with a lot
So, is it that people flip back and forth between these beliefs, or is it that you have a a lot of often conflicting goals and ideas about feminism?
1 satanismyhomeboy 2018-12-09
Except that both of those groups will tell you modern feminism is about equality. Which it categorically isn't. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, but it's dishonest at best.
1 Protista_of_Peace 2018-12-09
Believe in patriarchy and equality is equality for women. I think it's stupid, but they aren't necessarily being dishonest, just misguided. I think dishonesty would imply that they believe something other than what they are babbling about.
1 atsteak 2018-12-09
Good old "Trickle-Down Feminism"
1 Protista_of_Peace 2018-12-09
In the beginning, feminists had somewhat of an excuse for believing this. One of the first things that happened was they sued newspapers for having employment ads listed under 'jobs for women' and 'jobs for men'. So, get rid of that, men aren't stuck in their section of the ads either. Liberation! Of course, it ended up being bullshit in the long run.
1 atsteak 2018-12-09
But who needs men's rights when you have trans rights? Just have women's rights, and also have all men identify as women. Problem solved.
1 Aivias 2018-12-09
Women as a group are the people who are most responsible for continuing rigid gender roles. Look at the thread, they say because they are opening businesses or whatever the men need to be doing something worthy of getting a woman business owner. Why? What reason does the average woman have for needing a man who makes plenty of money if she makes plenty of money? What entitlement is that?
You can look at doctors for a really close up examination. Something like 50% of female doctors just give it up once they find an adequately rich man to pay for her to have babies. Its a national crisis waiting to happen in the UK because so many shit doctors have to be brought in to replace these women who have used education and high status jobs as nothing more than window dressing in the search for a high paid, high status man.
I wonder how things are going to be in 10 years time when men simply dont make as much money as women most of the time.
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1 Protista_of_Peace 2018-12-09
You have a source for this?
1 Aivias 2018-12-09
http://www.medicaleconomics.com/medical-economics-blog/why-are-women-leaving-medicine
1 Protista_of_Peace 2018-12-09
I'm still not seeing the 50% number. But, the article did go into the causes of whatever number of women leaving medicine. My gut feeling is that someone doesn't go to medical school to meet a rich husband, but what do I know? Also, isn't she just as high status as he is? Maybe he can help upset rigid gender roles by giving up his practice to take care of the kids. It's worth a try.
But, I agree that thinking a man has to be of at least the same status as the woman in order to be dating material is reinforcing sexist norms. Just pick a person because they are decent.
1 Aivias 2018-12-09
In general you are right but there was a thing I cant find by Forbes ot NTY or the like that had this huge infographic on who married who based on jobs. For male doctors there were plenty of receptionists, admin staff etc but there was very, very few female doctors who were marrying porters or equipment techs.
Its always been this way and probably always will be this way though women dont like men who they dont see as 'better' than them.
And after 50 years of womens issues being front and center to the point that young women out-earn young men across the board (until child bearing age) what do they think will happen when they start to see 90-95% of men as inadequate?
1 Aivias 2018-12-09
If you ask a room of ten women their opinions you will receive 14 different replies.
1 mrv3 2018-12-09
Feminism doesn't even support women.
Just look at /r/TrollXChromosomes a subreddit that unless told otherwise you would think it's a suicide cults attempt to keep people inside the compound with the promise of loneliness.
1 JakeDC 2018-12-09
Wow that sub seems toxic as fuck. But it is always good to see evidence that the "feminism helps men too" dodge is bullshit, lest we forget.
1 Bigwooddeck 2018-12-09
Lot of incels in here whining about muh men
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-12-09
This
1 DragonDaddyMagnus 2018-12-09
Stick to emoji posting. You fail at everything else
1 Krombopulos-Snake 2018-12-09
The only winning move in this game is not to play.
Nope nope nope. Black Women have an endless attitude problem and by discussing it, you will allow the raging flame to consume you.
1 BumwineBaudelaire 2018-12-09
reminder that /r/blackladies is only slightly whiter and gayer/trannyer than BPT
1 Electroyote 2018-12-09
I accidentally clicked the link and thought people were ironically commenting.
1 HardIsLife 2018-12-09
I always see this contradiction.
When feminists are asked if feminism supports men issues or men, their answer is
When they see men creating their own support groups...
1 templesthataum 2018-12-09
black men benefit from sexism and male privilege even though they are disadvantaged by racism.
These oppression Olympics are real