/r/ak47 produces some drama, and for once, it's not about dead kids. Strap yourselves in folks and get familiar with import laws!
1 2018-12-14 by waitthisisnttennis
Fair warning, image heavy thread because this particular shitstorm involves some potential doxx and legal shenanigans. I also know jack-shit about AKs/combloc guns and kinda understand gun import laws, so bear with me.
Quick primer for normies and Europeans. With AK-47 pattern rifles, you can buy an imported "parts kit" which includes basically all the parts to make an AK minus the bits the ATF considers to be the actual "gun" and have them assembled into a working firearm. The US also has arms embargoes against certain countries, namely China and Russia, which means that you can't buy "non-sporting arms" from those countries or guns made by specifically sanctioned companies. Ergo, a Russian or Chinese parts kit is basically unobtainium for the US civilian market.
Enter OP. Two years ago, OP commissioned a gunsmith ("Smith") to assembled 2 parts kits he acquired. You can read it here, but in a nutshell:
- Smith does a shit job assembling one parts kit and returns it to OP. OP is not pleased with the result.
- Smith then takes the second parts kit and builds it into a machine gun for his own personal use. TL;DR, machine guns are heavily regulated in the US, so OP is not going to get his shit back in its current form.
- For 2 years, Smith proceeds to whore out his ill-gotten MG on his Instagram page. To rub salt in the wound, Smith also took this gun to this year's Red Oktober rifle competition and won something with it.
Naturally, since OP's shit was stolen, people tell him to contact local authorities and the ATF. However, a problem arises. Remember that shit I told you about import laws and sanctions? There's an extremely gray area as to how the fuck OP got his hands on both those kits.
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Someone creates an alt to shit-talk OP lol
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There a bunch of alphabet soup agencies that would love to know how these particular parts kits came into the US, especially since one of the guns hasn't even existed long enough to have somehow eked into the country legally.
TL;DR: Someone gets their hands on a gun parts kit through not-entirely-legal means and then has it stolen from the person he hired to assemble it. Said person can't go the authorities because it's akin to calling the cops about your stolen meth.
61 comments
1 BussyShillBot 2018-12-14
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1 FrostBittenSalsa 2018-12-14
Alright, fucktards, clearly some of you need to be cleansed
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1 BeanerShnitzel 2018-12-14
One of the better effortposts this month!
And couldn’t he just anonymously tip off the feds about the guy who stole his gun and deny any involvement if the gun smith rats on him?
1 SAC-Lawn_Gnome 2018-12-14
The Smith probably had plenty of evidence that he gave it to him now, lol
1 BeanerShnitzel 2018-12-14
Why don’t you ping topgunebay and find out?
I mean mods can still ping, right?
1 nicerredditaccount 2018-12-14
You're not wrong but that's kinda depressing compared to how amazing last month was.
1 Redactor0 2018-12-14
So he paid thousands of dollars to smuggle in the parts for a Russian SMG, but then he wanted the gunsmith to make it semi-auto? Does it make me a weirdo if I can't understand the logic of this?
1 waitthisisnttennis 2018-12-14
No, not at all. US gun law ranges from easy to understand to "what the fuck is your logic." Wikipedia has more details, but essentially, since 1986, the possession of newly manufactured fully automatics after a certain date is illegal, which means that to own a fully auto made after 86, you need to be military, law enforcement or a civilian with the proper qualifications (manufacturer, dealer, etc.). Since OP is none of these, he needs it to be made into semi-auto, regardless of the origin of the parts kit. The ATF isn't going to raise an eyebrow at the manufacture of a 9mm semi, they WILL be curious about a fully auto one.
1 BeanerShnitzel 2018-12-14
Why don’t you just link the thread OP it doesn’t have any doxx and I am sure topgunebay would like to explain himself.
1 Power_Incarnate 2018-12-14
example of US gun law retardation
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-14
US gun laws require you to put red arrows all over your jpegs like some florida boomer retard?
1 Power_Incarnate 2018-12-14
yes
1 high_side 2018-12-14
Boom, headshot.
1 sonyaellenmann 2018-12-14
*boomer headshot
1 pisserpatterwater 2018-12-14
It's a constitutional requirment.
1 MehmedIIDidNoWrong 2018-12-14
This looks like a Facebook meme my grandma would post
1 DownVoteGuru 2018-12-14
How is it retarded.
Most of the things on the left was made because the bans on the right.
1 Hammer_of_truthiness 2018-12-14
I love it when you people claim gun laws are retarded when all of this shit is your dumbasses tryna work around the system.
1 TheRootinTootinPutin 2018-12-14
Some of the laws were made cause retards couldn't stop asking questions. People kept asking if pistols with braces were illegal and the ATF said "naw, you're gucci" till everyone kept asking them and they basically said "ok fine it's illegal now, happy?"
1 VapeOnYourNape 2018-12-14
So basically we banned tacticool shit?
That rocks.
1 Inceltiers 2018-12-14
Wait so why hasn’t the gunsmith been arrested?
He went to a gun match with it
1 Wegwerfkontobelegt 2018-12-14
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1 Inceltiers 2018-12-14
I can’t read
1 CriticalConundrum 2018-12-14
Wait, so illegally smuggling an automatic weapon is 100% gucci if you manage to convert it to semi before anyone catches wind of you?
1 dogwheiner 2018-12-14
It's not automatic until someone makes it that way.
The real fuck up here is buying weapon parts from countries you can't buy weapon parts from.
1 SuperiorExcess 2018-12-14
Burger gun laws are 2/10 didn't even try tier
1 TheLordHighExecu 2018-12-14
It's not 100% gucci; it's just harder to get noticed by the authorities. By analogy, importing illegal parts is like smoking weed in your room, and owning an automatic weapon is like selling meth in front of a school.
1 ThaWZA 2018-12-14
Illegally importing a firearm from Russia will still get you 10+ years in federal prison if you get caught so it is definitely not gucci.
1 Power_Incarnate 2018-12-14
US gun laws make no sense
1 jrolle 2018-12-14
I guess the differences in the laws. Illegal machine guns are 10 years in federal pound you on the ass prison. And the ATF does aggressively pursue those violations, and will shoot your dog and toss a flashbang in your baby's crib when they come to arrest you. Breaking the 922r? laws aren't really looked into much unless you're being an absolute idiot about it. So this guy wanted a cool model of a gun that you can't get in the US, but didn't want it to be super duper illegal.
1 Redactor0 2018-12-14
I just have trouble understanding what the point of having an SMG is if it's not full auto. If it can't do the one thing it's designed for, is it any better than a replica?
1 jrolle 2018-12-14
Looks, how it feels, collecting, favorite gun from vidya, among other reasons. I haven't been much into guns in the last couple years, but if I had a bunch of money burning a hole in my pocket, I'd totally get a semi auto only SMG just to have. I think they are wildly different though since most of the original patterns are open bolt, which I believe are illegal due to how easy they are to convert to full auto, so they make changes to the platform and make them closed bolt. Last I heard SMG's were considered a failed or obsolete type of weapon in the modern era, losing out to short barreled assault rifles (legit select fire SBR AR's for example) or to pistol caliber carbines. At the end of the day though, the thing's still a gun and will bring the hate to whatever you shoot it at.
1 voodoo_onion 2018-12-14
You get it down on any papers as semi auto, then you illegally modify it to full auto. Thats what i hear anyway...
1 FrostBittenSalsa 2018-12-14
And hope that no one at the range rats you out
1 -Steve_French- 2018-12-14
You can get it in a pistol configuration and conceal carry it/carry it loaded in your car.
1 -Steve_French- 2018-12-14
Imagine following 922r lmao
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-12-14
I was, up until recently, an 02/07 NFA manufacturer. Ill try to clear some of this up. The original owner imported a PARTS KIT, which is a gun that has has all the parts un assembled and the receiver cut. They do this to get around importation laws not allowing full gun into the USA if it fits a certain designation (scary war weapon). Then when it gets over here, a gunsmith assembles it on an American made receiver (its not easy).
Now, to get a parts kit or firearm into the USA you need to be in the business of importation and IIRC you need an 08 or an 10 license, which is a Firearms Importer. These items need to meet a laundry list of regulations and they change depending on if its a firearm or a parts kit, i wont bore you with the details. The big issue though, is that this parts kit is specifically Russian. We have a had a staunch importation embargo on everything firearm related to Russia since about 2013-2014.
There is a chance this guy bought the kit before 2013, but i severely doubt it. The guy might have just brought it over on a plane ride, bought it from a russian satellite country or just straight up had it shipped over from the internet. Regardless, all of these are very illegal.
The original guy's plan is to just get it over here, have it assembled and no one would care. Mainly because the ATF and the state department (who handles importation stuff) are wholly, and completely inept. But, that shit went out the window when he started making reddit posts and wanted to get the ATF involved in getting his stuff back. Because they are going to ask questions and they are going to want to know how this very rare russian rifle wound up state side. They will no err on this side of caution and WILL require you to show your importation paperwork regarding it immediately.
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1 LongPostBot 2018-12-14
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1 Inceltiers 2018-12-14
not even sure how to feel about this
truly keno drama
1 sadderreborn 2018-12-14
i aint readin those comments but that fucking mag with "won something with it" is like a 22cal or 223 at best lmfao
no where near 7.62
protip: shoot a mousin nagant with 7.62. that fucking rou
1 searingsky 2018-12-14
9mm
1 _simplify 2018-12-14
Vityaz is 9x19mm
1 -Steve_French- 2018-12-14
"I've played call of duty one time"
1 Therattlesnakemaster 2018-12-14
No shit
1 24HER032 2018-12-14
hurr durrr its not a 50 cal it cant win any shooting competitions
1 -Steve_French- 2018-12-14
Lmao I'm guessing he doesn't realize that 9mm is a larger caliber than 7.62 and .223.
1 high_side 2018-12-14
Hopefully he declared himself a sovereign citizen and things take care of themselves.
1 PlatavsPlomo 2018-12-14
His dog gets shot?
1 MehmedIIDidNoWrong 2018-12-14
It's over for gunnitcels.
1 trilateral1 2018-12-14
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1 SandorClegane_AMA 2018-12-14
https://www.reddit.com/r/ak47/comments/a5kizx/kilo_guns_llc_is_a_liar_a_thief_he_is_in/
All the details and legal arguments are there. Nothing to stop a concerned third party alerting the authorities that this dude one a competition and is photographed with a gun that cannot have been imported legally.
1 telandrias 2018-12-14
1 MPHJ-7 2018-12-14
AAAAAND THIS AWARD GOES TO . . .
. . . MOST ILLEGAL GUN!
1 ThaWZA 2018-12-14
Also, the ATF loves trolling social media looking for morons like this guy self-owning themselves by bragging about illegal shit.
There's a pretty serious likelihood they already know about this guy.
1 SandorClegane_AMA 2018-12-14
See you are giving govt. employees 100% credit for initiative, which is interesting.
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1 Oberst_Ryan 2018-12-14
Alphabet ni🅱️🅱️as have nothing better to do than hunt for people to kick their doors in and open fire on all children and dogs. They've got nothing better to do
1 -Steve_French- 2018-12-14
All gun laws are infringements, free my nigga OP and let him have his Vityaz
1 Bouquet_of_seaweed 2018-12-14
1 Lysis10 2018-12-14
lol damn gun nuts are dumb. This is like a high profile cocaine dealer rattling on about his 20 kilo drug deal gone bad with another redditor and people telling him to call the cops. lol Fucking retarded.
1 ThaWZA 2018-12-14
Hardcore 2A types are among the stupidest people on Earth.