the answer is that asians are statistically smarter than whites but for cultural reasons. this also applies to other ethnicities that don't share cultures. except for blacks you bigot.
It’s because asian immigrants are self selected so they will lean toward being smarter whereas mayos have done absolutely nothing to show they deserve being a privileged race in America
There are so few Jewish people in this country that it creates a sample problem. Especially when you compare them to the entire Latin American and Black population
But jews do so much better globally surely it is not simply some strange blip in the data. Whites do quite a bit better than blacks while both of those groups are quite well represented in the global population.
I did not say/ care about “educated”. I referred to a specific measure of intelligence and cognitive ability. You and i both probably know some educated retards.
It depends on the priorities of that government, it’s no coincidence Soviet bloc countries stopped running train on the world in the Math Olympiad as soon as the country dissolved
It shows that these kinds of things aren't natural phenomenons, it's based on outside factors. Romania killing shit in the 80s in these types of dick swinging competitions and then falling off right when the regime toppled isn't really a coincidence. Another example of this kind of thing is that China wins a fuck ton of gold medals in the olympics because they plan to do so. They allocate a certain amount of people go to ping pong and archery camps, etc. until they come out the best in the world
India could do the same thing but they choose not to care as much. Of course, there are cultural factors, like in Japan and South Korea where kids either get good marks or kill themselves, but overall it's not like Asians have figured out the code either through genetics or culture.
Average iq to measure intelligence isn't worth shit when you try to apply the same US standard to the entire world. I'm showing an example about why "our students are smarter" is inaccurate to apply to a broader cultural context.
Except one country suffered far more under communism than the other, China had famines that killed more people than the entire population of those countries.
The Chinese didn't really have this global reputation as having super smart kids until their government started pouring money into making it so.
They didn't have the reputation because China was a shithole back then.
What about other Asian countries that don't do it?
Except one country suffered far more under communism than the other
Yet one country is still run by the communist party and the other is not...
What about other Asian countries that don't do it?
It's the same, a collective national top-down push from the government to make it a reality. Singapore was ass in the 70s at these kinds of things so to fix that they put a fuck ton of government resources into making it a reality. Same with South Korea.
Yet one country is still run by the communist party and the other is not...the Chinese government found a way to exist as state capitalism and still retain "communism" to get the benefits of capitalism and use those profits to exert a high amount of state-level control that allows them to direct national policy very tightly.
correct?
and what does that have to do with how bad a state china was in because of mao
Singapore was ass in the 70s at these kinds of things so to fix that they put a fuck ton of government resources into making it a reality. Same with South Korea. You just need a quick injection of a fuck ton of money and a desire to make it a reality from a national perspective with a fairly authoritarian government and there you go.
Singapore had recently split from Malaya and lacked basic infrastructure and decent education.
What about countries that didn't have authoritarian government's that did well in education like Japan?
lmao look up how the Romanian Communist regime ended, all communist regimes were bad states
sure and some were worse than others
Lee Kuan Yew was an authoritarian who made it a top-down policy goal, which helps my point
Sure but not every asian country has resorted to authoritarianism to do it
The Japanese are able to give poor students a higher quality of education than other countries are able to give their poverty areas which lowers drop out rates and leads into higher test scores. Successful government program
Are there not any western european countries that do that?
The Romanian Communist regime was one of the worst of its kind. The entire country rebelled and the dictator and his wife were famously cruel
I don't think there was anything on the scale of what China went through, 50 million died in a single famine im pretty sure thats more than the entire population of romania if not a good percentage of it.
Not as well as the Japanese. But there are western Euro countries that score higher on tests than the Japanese, if that's what you're asking
Source?
You don't need dictator authoritarianism, you need a strong top down approach with a good amount of state control over resources that allows a country to do something like this. South Korea and Singapore and China, etc.
Having the state control education is hardly authoritarian
having the state control education is hardly authoritarian
Not inherently but if you want something like making your education standards worst to first within a generation like China and Singapore, it helps if you do have one. In any case, it’s more than the US can do
Not inherently but if you want something like making your education standards worst to first within a generation like China and Singapore, it helps if you do have one. In any case, it’s more than the US can do
Having a competent government helps with education too
most had authoritarian goverments that put heavy emphasis on education, China required their bureaucrats to memorize and understand goverment laws for literally thousands of years (they even put it next to their bed so they could memorize it while trying to sleep lol), even Mongols who are poor but have high iqs were in effect part of the Soviet block which had arguably the best math education is history (they learned to prove things in high schools westerns would fail at in college)
having authoritarians in power who don't care that some will be left behind produces impressive school results, which i believe is the main reason Asians report higher iq scores
lol nearly every east asian country has had authoritarians in charge, Japan has had authoritarians who put emphasis on education, Korea has had authoritarians who put emphasis on education, Vietnam has extremely rigorous curriculum, i mentioned Mongolia because they have low gdp per capita but high iqs and are often cited as the proof that asians are superior because they are inteligent while not being rich
first of all, they invested plenty of money into STEM education before ww2, hence why they made all the electronics and knew how to build transistors better than mayos and shit
second of all, didn't they have effectively one party system for like 4 decades? they are authoritarians in a sence that they choose authoritarianism, with goverment policies that would be considered goverment overreach in the west to say the least, but were also democratic in a sence that they could just vote them out, but they didn't because it's Japan and Japan is a meme country
youre a shitty centrist if you think parties need to be the exact opposite of each other, the part over the course of 70 years has gone from center left to far right and in between, theres probably been more change between the different LDP governments than the democrats vs republicans
meme country that excels in nearly every statistic
not in gdp per capita, debt to gdp ratio, fuck if you are going to continue this way China is going to surpass you in 5-10 years, even though you have had 30-40 year lead
implying im a hafu
well, hapas are the most insecure bunch on the internet who go out and LARP as members of the higher race because they hate the fact that they have mayo blood in them, you show all the signs
3rd largest economy and our gdp per capita is fine
well, hapas are the most insecure bunch on the internet who go out and LARP as members of the higher race because they hate the fact that they have mayo blood in them, you show all the signs
We only let the smart Asians in... I mean literally is that simple. When you allow merit based immigration and only the smartest Asian people can come they tend to outsmart the white people that came hundreds of years ago because they had literally no prospects in their homelands.
Actually we usually get the ones who couldn't pass entrance exams for their home schools. Although they probably are getting the better end of the deal.
Academic privilege exists but it favours women and 'minorities'. Asian males are a group specifically targeted to not be accepted as first candidates, caused some drama a while back at some rich person college.
It is all demographics bullshit, and is a good example of what actual discrimination is.
We're the ones who chose the "you should be able to do whatever you want" culture. I'm personally fine with it; the best people eventually filter up towards the top anyways.
But when even the average idiot in Asia has been conditioned to turn in schoolwork...
They generally fail to solve actual problems, though. A lot of them are only good at memorizing formulas and facts, not on reasoning through problems.
Replace Asians with Jews and economic factors with nepotism and this works better. White supremacists will often admit that Asians are smarter, because they can say "see, thats because they dont let tons of immagrants in" and they aren't as much of a bogey man.
it's pretty hilarious though because white supremacists never shut up about IQ statistics but get real upset when you point out Ashkenazi Jews BTFO them when it comes to IQ
IQ tests were all the rage back then, and it was probably used with the intention that the Nazi leadership understood fully well the actions they committed rather than bleating morons who could plead ignorance
I don't think I've ever seen that, nor when you tell them that East Asians follow after Ashkenazi Jews... I think it's pretty widely accepted among those circles.
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1 accounttttttttttt 2018-12-18
the answer is that asians are statistically smarter than whites but for cultural reasons. this also applies to other ethnicities that don't share cultures. except for blacks you bigot.
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
It’s because asian immigrants are self selected so they will lean toward being smarter whereas mayos have done absolutely nothing to show they deserve being a privileged race in America
1 ShitsureiKamisama 2018-12-18
Mhhmm, that could work, but I'd try to lean back to what the autist above you said if you want a really strong thesis.
1 chunk_o 2018-12-18
To put it bluntly, what about the blacks/jews/hispanics?
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
There are so few Jewish people in this country that it creates a sample problem. Especially when you compare them to the entire Latin American and Black population
1 chunk_o 2018-12-18
But jews do so much better globally surely it is not simply some strange blip in the data. Whites do quite a bit better than blacks while both of those groups are quite well represented in the global population.
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
There are only 15 million Jews in the entire world, so they're not exactly well populated. 1/3 of them are in Israel and it's not like Israel is some intellectual powerhouse for kids either
1 chunk_o 2018-12-18
i never said that you mong, i said blacks and whites. I’m not referring to whatever that article is about either?
nothing in your comment is relevant to what i asked. You come off so stupid you might actually be black.
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
"Jews do so much better globally". It's not my fault you can't read
lol. Mayo fragility.
1 chunk_o 2018-12-18
I’m jewish. My genes are light-years ahead of yours.
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
You're mayo. Your genes aren't better than anyone
1 alphachapman 2018-12-18
Imagine having so little meaning to your life you need to care about IQ 😂😂😂
1 Vurtizontal 2018-12-18
Give hispanics some time to make roots.
1 ChromeGhost 2018-12-18
African immigrants are more educated then US natives
1 chunk_o 2018-12-18
I did not say/ care about “educated”. I referred to a specific measure of intelligence and cognitive ability. You and i both probably know some educated retards.
1 ChromeGhost 2018-12-18
Not sure but this Cameroonian kid is pretty smart
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
what about asians in asia?
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
It depends on the priorities of that government, it’s no coincidence Soviet bloc countries stopped running train on the world in the Math Olympiad as soon as the country dissolved
1 Bigwooddeck 2018-12-18
I could dig up some world class math geeks in the hills of Appalachia lol. How many mathletes did the math Olympiad require a country to have at once?
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
You can find math geeks anywhere if you looked hard enough, someone has to get bullied at school
1 CompetitiveLoiterer 2018-12-18
That's assuming Math Olympiad is representative of the intelligence of the population though.
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
It shows that these kinds of things aren't natural phenomenons, it's based on outside factors. Romania killing shit in the 80s in these types of dick swinging competitions and then falling off right when the regime toppled isn't really a coincidence. Another example of this kind of thing is that China wins a fuck ton of gold medals in the olympics because they plan to do so. They allocate a certain amount of people go to ping pong and archery camps, etc. until they come out the best in the world
India could do the same thing but they choose not to care as much. Of course, there are cultural factors, like in Japan and South Korea where kids either get good marks or kill themselves, but overall it's not like Asians have figured out the code either through genetics or culture.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
but youre comparing competitions which show peak performers vs average iq/intelligence which show the average
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
Average iq to measure intelligence isn't worth shit when you try to apply the same US standard to the entire world. I'm showing an example about why "our students are smarter" is inaccurate to apply to a broader cultural context.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
It's almost like China was in a civil war after the 1800s and then had to recover from communism
Sure IQ isn't perfect but what do you want to use to gauge intelligence then?
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
I don't want to use anything, because it's a dumb exercise
China was communist at the same time Romania and Hungary were
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
Are you really going to compare what happened in China to Romania/Hungary?
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
That they were all Communist regimes in the 80s? Sure
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
Except one country suffered far more under communism than the other, China had famines that killed more people than the entire population of those countries.
They didn't have the reputation because China was a shithole back then.
What about other Asian countries that don't do it?
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
Yet one country is still run by the communist party and the other is not...
It's the same, a collective national top-down push from the government to make it a reality. Singapore was ass in the 70s at these kinds of things so to fix that they put a fuck ton of government resources into making it a reality. Same with South Korea.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
Yet one country is still run by the communist party and the other is not...the Chinese government found a way to exist as state capitalism and still retain "communism" to get the benefits of capitalism and use those profits to exert a high amount of state-level control that allows them to direct national policy very tightly.
correct?
and what does that have to do with how bad a state china was in because of mao
Singapore had recently split from Malaya and lacked basic infrastructure and decent education.
What about countries that didn't have authoritarian government's that did well in education like Japan?
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
lmao look how the Romanian Communist regime ended, all communist regimes were bad states
Lee Kuan Yew was an authoritarian who made it a top-down policy goal, which helps my point
The Japanese are able to give poor students higher levels of education than other countries are able to give their poverty areas
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
sure and some were worse than others
Sure but not every asian country has resorted to authoritarianism to do it
Are there not any western european countries that do that?
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
The Romanian Communist regime was one of the worst of its kind. The entire country rebelled and the dictator and his wife were famously cruel
You don't need authoritarianism, you need a strong top down approach with a good amount of state control
Not as well as the Japanese
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
I don't think there was anything on the scale of what China went through, 50 million died in a single famine im pretty sure thats more than the entire population of romania if not a good percentage of it.
Source?
Having the state control education is hardly authoritarian
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-18
China’s scale is inflated because of population. The Romanian communist regime was as bad as anything else. The entire country rebelled
test scores
Not inherently but if you want something like making your education standards worst to first within a generation like China and Singapore, it helps if you do have one. In any case, it’s more than the US can do
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
give me a non amp link thanks
Having a competent government helps with education too
1 GIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS 2018-12-18
Wait you mean people don't have character screens where you can quantify all aspects of their intelligence like in my vidya?
1 Tytos_Lannister 2018-12-18
most had authoritarian goverments that put heavy emphasis on education, China required their bureaucrats to memorize and understand goverment laws for literally thousands of years (they even put it next to their bed so they could memorize it while trying to sleep lol), even Mongols who are poor but have high iqs were in effect part of the Soviet block which had arguably the best math education is history (they learned to prove things in high schools westerns would fail at in college)
having authoritarians in power who don't care that some will be left behind produces impressive school results, which i believe is the main reason Asians report higher iq scores
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
and the countries that didnt have authoritarian governments or go through the soviet union
1 Tytos_Lannister 2018-12-18
lol nearly every east asian country has had authoritarians in charge, Japan has had authoritarians who put emphasis on education, Korea has had authoritarians who put emphasis on education, Vietnam has extremely rigorous curriculum, i mentioned Mongolia because they have low gdp per capita but high iqs and are often cited as the proof that asians are superior because they are inteligent while not being rich
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
When has Japan had authoritarians in charge post ww2?
1 Tytos_Lannister 2018-12-18
first of all, they invested plenty of money into STEM education before ww2, hence why they made all the electronics and knew how to build transistors better than mayos and shit
second of all, didn't they have effectively one party system for like 4 decades? they are authoritarians in a sence that they choose authoritarianism, with goverment policies that would be considered goverment overreach in the west to say the least, but were also democratic in a sence that they could just vote them out, but they didn't because it's Japan and Japan is a meme country
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
LDP has had many politicians and many different views, over the years their views have changed from center left to far right and in between
to act like it was a single government in control for all that time is just ignorance
1 Tytos_Lannister 2018-12-18
in non meme countries it means getting another party in charge but not in Japan lol
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
why does it matter if another party is in charge if the people in charge are noticeably different?
1 Tytos_Lannister 2018-12-18
don't know, it's just weird for the main ruling party to do a complete 180
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
youre a shitty centrist if you think parties need to be the exact opposite of each other, the part over the course of 70 years has gone from center left to far right and in between, theres probably been more change between the different LDP governments than the democrats vs republicans
1 Tytos_Lannister 2018-12-18
lol i seriously don't give a fuck, it's just that Japan is a meme country that's all
chill dude, go back to /r/hapas to vent your anger
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
meme country that excels in nearly every statistic
implying im a hafu
1 Tytos_Lannister 2018-12-18
not in gdp per capita, debt to gdp ratio, fuck if you are going to continue this way China is going to surpass you in 5-10 years, even though you have had 30-40 year lead
well, hapas are the most insecure bunch on the internet who go out and LARP as members of the higher race because they hate the fact that they have mayo blood in them, you show all the signs
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
3rd largest economy and our gdp per capita is fine
I don't have any mayo blood in me sweaty
1 Tytos_Lannister 2018-12-18
*gdp per capita growth
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-18
GDP per capita won't infinitely grow
1 aqouta 2018-12-18
We only let the smart Asians in... I mean literally is that simple. When you allow merit based immigration and only the smartest Asian people can come they tend to outsmart the white people that came hundreds of years ago because they had literally no prospects in their homelands.
1 CompetitiveLoiterer 2018-12-18
How about let no one in so they don't have to deal with mayos.
1 aqouta 2018-12-18
That's the cost you have to pay unfortunately.
1 TheCodexx 2018-12-18
Actually we usually get the ones who couldn't pass entrance exams for their home schools. Although they probably are getting the better end of the deal.
1 RollBread 2018-12-18
Academic privilege exists but it favours women and 'minorities'. Asian males are a group specifically targeted to not be accepted as first candidates, caused some drama a while back at some rich person college.
It is all demographics bullshit, and is a good example of what actual discrimination is.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-12-18
Jews were also the Jews of the academic world until Asians starting coming in.
1 TheCodexx 2018-12-18
We're the ones who chose the "you should be able to do whatever you want" culture. I'm personally fine with it; the best people eventually filter up towards the top anyways.
But when even the average idiot in Asia has been conditioned to turn in schoolwork...
They generally fail to solve actual problems, though. A lot of them are only good at memorizing formulas and facts, not on reasoning through problems.
1 drusful 2018-12-18
Replace Asians with Jews and economic factors with nepotism and this works better. White supremacists will often admit that Asians are smarter, because they can say "see, thats because they dont let tons of immagrants in" and they aren't as much of a bogey man.
1 ardasyenden 2018-12-18
It’s over for WhitePrideCels
1 Awayfone 2018-12-18
Eh just do like the racist blackpridecels, pretend asians are really "your people"
1 NotchDidNothingWrong 2018-12-18
Asians are the true radical centrist race.
1 ardasyenden 2018-12-18
when the race war inevitably arrives, I and my Asian brethren will just watch from the windows of our SAT prep classes
1 SNCommand 2018-12-18
Implying white supremacists don't obsess over Asians
1 seshfan2 2018-12-18
it's pretty hilarious though because white supremacists never shut up about IQ statistics but get real upset when you point out Ashkenazi Jews BTFO them when it comes to IQ
1 SNCommand 2018-12-18
Literally never experienced it, does explain why they want to kill them so badly though
Everyone know though that the smartest people are nazis
1 1029384756-mk2 2018-12-18
Where is that list taken from?
1 SNCommand 2018-12-18
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials#Intelligence_tests_and_psychiatric_assessments
1 1029384756-mk2 2018-12-18
huh
Why were they given IQ tests?
1 SNCommand 2018-12-18
IQ tests were all the rage back then, and it was probably used with the intention that the Nazi leadership understood fully well the actions they committed rather than bleating morons who could plead ignorance
1 _Gena_ 2018-12-18
I don't think I've ever seen that, nor when you tell them that East Asians follow after Ashkenazi Jews... I think it's pretty widely accepted among those circles.
1 spookyguy109 2018-12-18
S O C I O E C O N O M I C F A C T O R S
1 Amplitude 2018-12-18
Asianbros so clever they've evolved beyond thotts. Waifu will never abandon them!
Hikkomori pride 4eva!
1 error404brain 2018-12-18
"People" without a brain or a massive schlong C O P I N G.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-12-18
r/drama is S E E T H I N G about it lmao
1 unrulyfarmhand 2018-12-18
Asians would agree we should have never mixed with pasta eaters
1 FaygoMakesMeGo 2018-12-18
Race realists are always going on about Asians and ashanki jews being the statistically smartest...