We went through this already in WWI where we made the world safe for democracy. People actually believed it back then and I can't blame them for it, but a century later it's time we started to wake up.
There was an idea that if everyone just followed the 14 points that there would never be a reason for another war. Is that spelled out explicitly enough for you?
There was an idea that if everyone just followed the 14 points words that there would never be a reason for another war. Is that spelled out explicitly enough for you?
I. Open covenants of peace, openly arrived at, after which there shall be no private international understandings of any kind but diplomacy shall proceed always frankly and in the public view.
II. Absolute freedom of navigation upon the seas, outside territorial waters, alike in peace and in war, except as the seas may be closed in whole or in part by international action for the enforcement of international covenants.
III. The removal, so far as possible, of all economic barriers and the establishment of an equality of trade conditions among all the nations consenting to the peace and associating themselves for its maintenance.
IV. Adequate guarantees given and taken that national armaments will be reduced to the lowest point consistent with domestic safety.
V. A free, open-minded, and absolutely impartial adjustment of all colonial claims, based upon a strict observance of the principle that in determining all such questions of sovereignty the interests of the populations concerned must have equal weight with the equitable government whose title is to be determined.
VI. The evacuation of all Russian territory and such a settlement of all questions affecting Russia as will secure the best and freest cooperation of the other nations of the world in obtaining for her an unhampered and unembarrassed opportunity for the independent determination of her own political development and national policy and assure her of a sincere welcome into the society of free nations under institutions of her own choosing; and, more than a welcome, assistance also of every kind that she may need and may herself desire. The treatment accorded Russia by her sister nations in the months to come will be the acid test of their good will, of their comprehension of her needs as distinguished from their own interests, and of their intelligent and unselfish sympathy.
VII. Belgium, the whole world will agree, must be evacuated and restored, without any attempt to limit the sovereignty which she enjoys in common with all other free nations. No other single act will serve as this will serve to restore confidence among the nations in the laws which they have themselves set and determined for the government of their relations with one another. Without this healing act the whole structure and validity of international law is forever impaired.
VIII. All French territory should be freed and the invaded portions restored, and the wrong done to France by Prussia in 1871 in the matter of Alsace-Lorraine, which has unsettled the peace of the world for nearly fifty years, should be righted, in order that peace may once more be made secure in the interest of all.
IX. A readjustment of the frontiers of Italy should be effected along clearly recognizable lines of nationality.
X. The people of Austria-Hungary, whose place among the nations we wish to see safeguarded and assured, should be accorded the freest opportunity to autonomous development.
XI. Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro should be evacuated; occupied territories restored; Serbia accorded free and secure access to the sea; and the relations of the several Balkan states to one another determined by friendly counsel along historically established lines of allegiance and nationality; and international guarantees of the political and economic independence and territorial integrity of the several Balkan states should be entered into.
XII. The Turkish portion of the present Ottoman Empire should be assured a secure sovereignty, but the other nationalities which are now under Turkish rule should be assured an undoubted security of life and an absolutely unmolested opportunity of autonomous development, and the Dardanelles should be permanently opened as a free passage to the ships and commerce of all nations under international guarantees.
XIII. An independent Polish state should be erected which should include the territories inhabited by indisputably Polish populations, which should be assured a free and secure access to the sea, and whose political and economic independence and territorial integrity should be guaranteed by international covenant.
XIV. A general association of nations must be formed under specific covenants for the purpose of affording mutual guarantees of political independence and territorial integrity to great and small states alike.
S'okay you are dealing with a spoonfed child in a form adult enough to push keys. A sound education in the liberal arts was not, alas, bestowed to each of us.
Yeah it's meant for mobile. It actually reads pretty fantastically on mobile. Good pictures, good formatting and zero advertising cancer. I was shocked.
I don't disagree that the guys who larp in Wehrmacht (or worse, Red Army) are absolute weirdos. And gmers, much less strat gmers, are total nerds.
But I put the question to you--in a slight disagreement about Regulus, you as ruler of Earth and her dominions have acquired 400 millions of fanatically xenophobe Plantoids who will not be appeased and who proliferate like... mushrooms after rain. Will you permit Plantoids to rule over the homos (sapiens)? Would you let a Plantoid date your daughter?
I'm sorry good sir, but that's not an interesting question to me. I exclusively play as The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in Napoleon: Total War, I'll have none of this fey flight of fancy falderal.
What I found most unpleasant the first time I played a game like this was a design antipattern I have noticed is common in current site and OS desgin, of using notification popups like it was going out of style.
Unfortunately, it's not going out of style; I see it all over as (I suppose) sites pretend to be interactive. At least in notification settings you can tone that down a bit in PDX games.
There are many little ui tricks with R click and the shift or alt clicks or drags, and the keyboard has a spread of shortcuts I use commonly, but vim it ain't for sure. Better come ready with your mouse hand.
So hundreds of years before the Crusades? 'hey guys let's go sack England as revenge for what they did hundreds of years ago'
On the other end of the Big Green Menace's furthest incursion into Yurop, Vienna (1529, 1683) was truly the gate to the continent.
It's a real shame that the Crusaders fucked up so bad as so to allow this to happen. Imagine being so incompetent that you destroy your own seat of power to the point where the people you've been antagonizing for hundreds of years can take it over in addition to claiming the land you tried to steal from them. 😂
'hey guys let's go sack England as revenge for what they did hundreds of years ago'
Not quite sure where you're getting sacking England from. Is that hyperbole (which would be entirely justified, I became incredulous above and used an intemperate adjective to describe you, which I retract in awe at your 'wokeness'), or does it refer to an event?
The point of illustrating the sweep of Muslim vantage in Europe over a millenium is that it was for nine fourteen centuries a credible threat to the cradle of Western civilization. Iqta was a competing arrangement of governance, and sharia is a set of principles of jurisprudence at odds with the common and civil law.
Your comments above do not seem to have in mind a grasp of how near at various times a continent was to falling to the barbarous dominion of Saracens, as over retaining the accustomed savagery of Franks and the civilizing influence of the church.
Please go and post all this drivel at r/AskHistorians so we can see you getting your bussy gang-blasted more than u/serialflamingo on a drunk New Year's Eve.
I'll be happy to when at greater leisure. As a sort of warm up, could you list out any factual errors or inaccurate observations that you are seeing ahead rn, just to save the historians' valuable time?
This type of history discussions always suck because most people don't seem to know that kings and emperors used to constantly invade each others usually for simple reasons like wanting to become richer or more famous. Religious, cultural and political borders moved all the time because people fought each other constantly. It was easier to get the Pope to bless your invasion if you were fighting someone who wasn't Catholic, but that doesn't mean that most wars fought between Christians and Muslims were all about religion.
They were fundamentally unlike most people in non conflict areas are like today. For a long, long time people thought if you could take something from a designated Other, and no one was present to stop you, just go ahead and do it.
The religious conflict part of the Crusades, especially the first one, has a subtext of exporting that violence and opportunism to the paynim since Christendom at the time was not a peaceful civilization.
Well then why the fuck have I been called a racist for months now? If Muslims aren't a race, and Mexicans aren't a race, I'm pretty confused what the issue is.
Even in this article, the author writes pages about what the military did but as to what caused it there's one sentence about 'attacks'. Journos who think their job is to influence rather than report are scum.
The Jews don't behead people who insult their God or prophet last I checked. Little different. A lot of 'muslim persecution' is just retribution. Literally Sikhs have been persecuted by Muslims nearly their entire existence.
I can't be bothered to keep up with the war against the Chinese delivery guy leaving menus on my door, and you expect me to keep tabs on an entire country? Pure insanity.
Do you know anything about what's going on with the Rohingya?
They previously genocided the rakhine forcing them to flee Bangladesh and started the conflict by raping and murderering a Rakhine woman, then after a temporary truce/peace/lack of violence they started attacking Rakhine which escalated it.
134 ethnic groups in Myanmar have had 0 problems with the Rakhine
When do you hear about buddhist terrorism or buddhist violence?
My family are buddhists. I have only heard one case of a corrupted buddhist and a temple. But yes, buddhists are peaceful people. But violence is not unheard of and can build a movement.
I don't like Islam. Its a shitty belief. The DDF is probably more progressive than half of muslims.
But that doesn't justify scaring women and children. I don't give a fuck what happens to the men.
And I don't know what the muslims in China did to justify their treatment.
Do you know anything about what's going on with the Rohingya?
They previously genocided the rakhine forcing them to flee Bangladesh and started the conflict by raping and murderering a Rakhine woman, then after a temporary truce/peace/lack of violence they started attacking Rakhine which escalated it.
134 ethnic groups in Myanmar have had 0 problems with the Rakhine
When do you hear about buddhist terrorism or buddhist violence?
Islam is not very sophisticated theologically, and the details that make it problematic can easily be controlled. It only cost Saudi Arabia $10b to destroy Islam's reputation with Salafism. Any major country could afford to turn them all into harmless Sufis, but authoritarian states benefit more by having a scapegoat to oppress.
My point is that it only costs an investment of money to turn Islam into either a bad religion or a good religion. Religious beliefs don't come from Allah, but from investors. If you don't like Saudi Arabia controlling the faith then start paying for something better.
Lmao imagine actually believing this. Peaceful Sufis are a meme, the only thing different between them and other missionaries was that they syncretized the faith to more easily convert kafirs. The peaceful elements that Sufis get praise for were part of the faiths they tried to dismantle their whole lives.
When Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti reached near the Annasagar Lake at Ajmer where a number of holy shrines of Hindus were located, he slaughtered a cow and cooked a beef kebab at the sacred place surrounded by many temples.
This is one of the most famous Sufi saints in the subcontinent btw.
 Fanatical dervish warriors were the special forces of every Islamic army from the 13th century through the end of the 19th.
The expansion of Islam outside the core areas of the Middle East is above all a Sufi story. Sufi orders led the armies that conquered lands in Central and South Asia, and in Southeastern Europe; through their piety and their mysticism, the brotherhoods then won the local populations over to Islam. They presented an Islam that incorporated local traditions and worship styles, including Christian saints and Hindu gods. Today, Sufi styles and practices dominate in the non-Arab Muslim world: in India and Pakistan, in Indonesia and Malaysia, Nigeria and Senegal, and in the Muslim countries of Central Asia, such as Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
Good luck teaching the Arabs that their religion is actually the one made to convert people who aren't savages like them and not the one handed down to them directly from their prophet. Good luck finding any theological backing for that from actual Arab sources and not works written by some Arab trying to convert a few thousand Bangladeshi fishermen.
I don't think that's what I was referring to, but I mean you tell me. Why do so many different ethnic groups in Asia hate Muslims? Can't just be "islamophobia". Something had to invite these feelings, deep generational feelings of hatred.
But I guess we'll pretend that historically one of the most warmongering groups this side of the United States or colonizing England are always peaceful I guess.
You’re being retarded. I already said that I don’t like Islam. It is an evil, violent religion. However, Islam=bad isn’t a good enough reason to commit massacres against Muslim ethnic groups.
I mean you're not wrong. I am retarded. I post to r/drama.
And if I can see my own country picked apart and people be blamed for shit that happened 200 years before their birth, I don't see why I can't return the favor. Surely one of these people's descendents led raids that killed a lot of innocents!
But seriously, you're trying to claim that the many shouldn't suffer for the sins of the few on the sub that argues for MAYOCIDE NOW. That's cute. I like you.
The fact that Islam during the medieval ages was actually much farther ahead than their counterpart Christian societies and that Western Civilization as we know it today developed largely because of previous medicinal and scientific discoveries recovered from Islamic centers of learning by Christian crusaders.
No the 2 million rohingyas had previously kicked the rakhine out of Bangladesh and then gang raped and murdered a rakhine woman which started the conflict
That's this very situation just flipped btw, Bangladeshis genociding Hindus and Buddhists on the Burmese border in 20##. How many theses level articles have been written by bleeding heart Western journos about this yet? Find me one as a matter of fact.
She is more in prison now than when she was under house arrest. What is she going to do to stop the junta? What stops the junta from hurting people she cares about? She could say and do as she pleased before from a political stand point not with out criminal consequence. Now she is in charge of the government she was once against giving it legitimacy whether she intended to or not. Cutting her off from her former political allies.
Do things the way the progressive west does democracy; keep all matters of immigration out of the hands of voters and use migrants as voter blocs to undermine opponents and troublesome natives.
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1 diggity_md 2018-12-19
American foreign policy writers are the absolute fucking worst.
"buhbuhbuh she cared about HUMAN RIGHTS and LIBERAL VALUES, I don't understand why everything didn't fix itself!?!?!?"
1 Redactor0 2018-12-19
We went through this already in WWI where we made the world safe for democracy. People actually believed it back then and I can't blame them for it, but a century later it's time we started to wake up.
1 kier00 2018-12-19
Damn straight. Time to make it dangerous for anything other than liberalism to exist.
1 imstartingtogetangry 2018-12-19
Chance are, the opposite is going to happen.
1 zergling_Lester 2018-12-19
Imagine a boot stamping on the face of anyone who opposes liberal principles, forever.
1 CMDR-FusionCor3 2018-12-19
authoritarian liberalism
all those protesting to take away people's rights get gulagged
1 yamabikos 2018-12-19
Sounds like socialism
1 kier00 2018-12-19
Stop, I can only get so excited.
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-12-19
Hot
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
When seriousposting meets vagueposting
1 Redactor0 2018-12-19
There was an idea that if everyone just followed the 14 points that there would never be a reason for another war. Is that spelled out explicitly enough for you?
1 I-need-MAYO 2018-12-19
1 Zomaarwat 2018-12-19
>score: 14 points
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-12-19
Preach it Unidaddy
1 cmakk1012 2018-12-19
Luddites rise up!
1 diggity_md 2018-12-19
Gamers rise DOWN
1 -Kite-Man- 2018-12-19
"fall".
1 queerjihad 2018-12-19
anarchoprimitivism be like
1 -Kite-Man- 2018-12-19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points
1 LongPostBot 2018-12-19
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1 -Kite-Man- 2018-12-19
I so cannot wait for the robot jihad.
1 I-need-MAYO 2018-12-19
I said 14 too
1 Megazor 2018-12-19
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for our children
1 binenut 2018-12-19
S'okay you are dealing with a spoonfed child in a form adult enough to push keys. A sound education in the liberal arts was not, alas, bestowed to each of us.
1 KameraadLenin 2018-12-19
14 woofs
1 sadderreborn 2018-12-19
Wilson was a dim witted cuck and forced americas entry into the war by arming usa merchant vessels and with orders to fire on any sub aka uboat
1 yamabikos 2018-12-19
Literally SJWs when they enter the real world
1 Deathcrow 2018-12-19
What the fuck is wrong with just text on a white background? Who actually wants this web 5.0 ajskldfjsw bullshit?
1 Redactor0 2018-12-19
This. Is it meant for phones? I don't get it.
1 Deathcrow 2018-12-19
It's for millennials who have attention spans of 3 year olds.
1 Cho-Dai 2018-12-19
Yeah it's meant for mobile. It actually reads pretty fantastically on mobile. Good pictures, good formatting and zero advertising cancer. I was shocked.
1 binenut 2018-12-19
This begs the question--when isn't it a joy to read about genocide? I'm about to play some Stellaris and hoo boy will I be purging some pops.
1 -Kite-Man- 2018-12-19
eww
1 binenut 2018-12-19
I don't disagree that the guys who larp in Wehrmacht (or worse, Red Army) are absolute weirdos. And gmers, much less strat gmers, are total nerds.
But I put the question to you--in a slight disagreement about Regulus, you as ruler of Earth and her dominions have acquired 400 millions of fanatically xenophobe Plantoids who will not be appeased and who proliferate like... mushrooms after rain. Will you permit Plantoids to rule over the homos (sapiens)? Would you let a Plantoid date your daughter?
1 -Kite-Man- 2018-12-19
I'm sorry good sir, but that's not an interesting question to me. I exclusively play as The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in Napoleon: Total War, I'll have none of this fey flight of fancy falderal.
1 MandirKahaBanega 2018-12-19
FPS the bigger gay tho
1 Redactor0 2018-12-19
Have fun clicking 500 fucking times to get anything done, Paradoxian.
1 binenut 2018-12-19
What I found most unpleasant the first time I played a game like this was a design antipattern I have noticed is common in current site and OS desgin, of using notification popups like it was going out of style.
Unfortunately, it's not going out of style; I see it all over as (I suppose) sites pretend to be interactive. At least in notification settings you can tone that down a bit in PDX games.
There are many little ui tricks with R click and the shift or alt clicks or drags, and the keyboard has a spread of shortcuts I use commonly, but vim it ain't for sure. Better come ready with your mouse hand.
1 Extract 2018-12-19
Don't you people have phones?
1 nomad1c 2018-12-19
IT'S CALLED CULTURE SHITLORD
1 LowsideSlide 2018-12-19
Works on my machine
1 QinEmperor 2018-12-19
Get a phone, poorlord
1 Zomaarwat 2018-12-19
> What the fuck is wrong with just text on a white background
Bad for your eyes and for the environment.
1 Australienz 2018-12-19
The environment? Please explain.
1 Zomaarwat 2018-12-19
http://www.blackle.com/about/
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Well of course it's because she's racist and hates Muslims. Same with China. And India. And Russia. And Eastern Europe.
Man, all these people all over the world who seem to all have an issue with this group of people. What are the odds? The chances must be so slim.
1 Y_kes 2018-12-19
yikes
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
FTFY
1 Y_kes 2018-12-19
y i k e s
1 Sojir 2018-12-19
The only concern once global warming hits us good
1 sadderreborn 2018-12-19
The correct term is climate change sweaty
1 Sojir 2018-12-19
For just this kind of pedantry I will raid your village in the future.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
These lolcows don't milk themselves.
1 cragfar 2018-12-19
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/apr/19/102-villagers-750-refugees-one-grand-experiment
1 LowsideSlide 2018-12-19
Who was talking about wh*te people?
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Oh that's right, the Muslims invaded whites too. Thanks for the reminder.
1 snallygaster 2018-12-19
Payback for the Cr*sades
1 DocMjolnir 2018-12-19
Crusades were payback for the first muzzie invasion of Europe.
What's old is new again lol
1 snallygaster 2018-12-19
Destroying the seat of Western and Christian civilization to trigger the muzzies
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
This but unironically
1 binenut 2018-12-19
Do you really not know about the Umayyad Caliphate you dozy broad?
http://www.classichistory.net/images/Archives/toursArchives/carolingian_map_full.jpg
Tours is only 150 mi SW of Paris. That was 782 AD.
On the other end of the Big Green Menace's furthest incursion into Yurop, Vienna (1529, 1683) was truly the gate to the continent.
https://images.mapsofworld.com/answers/2017/07/map-of-the-siege-of-vienna.gif
Now if you'll excuse I'm off to masturbate to Sabaton.
1 snallygaster 2018-12-19
So hundreds of years before the Crusades? 'hey guys let's go sack England as revenge for what they did hundreds of years ago'
It's a real shame that the Crusaders fucked up so bad as so to allow this to happen. Imagine being so incompetent that you destroy your own seat of power to the point where the people you've been antagonizing for hundreds of years can take it over in addition to claiming the land you tried to steal from them. 😂
1 Thisisepicstein 2018-12-19
Ban women
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-12-19
more news at 11
1 binenut 2018-12-19
Not quite sure where you're getting sacking England from. Is that hyperbole (which would be entirely justified, I became incredulous above and used an intemperate adjective to describe you, which I retract in awe at your 'wokeness'), or does it refer to an event?
The point of illustrating the sweep of Muslim vantage in Europe over a millenium is that it was for
ninefourteen centuries a credible threat to the cradle of Western civilization. Iqta was a competing arrangement of governance, and sharia is a set of principles of jurisprudence at odds with the common and civil law.Your comments above do not seem to have in mind a grasp of how near at various times a continent was to falling to the barbarous dominion of Saracens, as over retaining the accustomed savagery of Franks and the civilizing influence of the church.
1 DonnyBravoKingofEire 2018-12-19
Why are your such a reterd?
1 binenut 2018-12-19
Seems rude, tbqh fam
1 DonnyBravoKingofEire 2018-12-19
Ight nigga
1 Mat_The_49th 2018-12-19
Please go and post all this drivel at r/AskHistorians so we can see you getting your bussy gang-blasted more than u/serialflamingo on a drunk New Year's Eve.
1 binenut 2018-12-19
I'll be happy to when at greater leisure. As a sort of warm up, could you list out any factual errors or inaccurate observations that you are seeing ahead rn, just to save the historians' valuable time?
1 Mat_The_49th 2018-12-19
Nice copeout, pussy
1 binenut 2018-12-19
no u
1 serialflamingo 2018-12-19
It's called Hogmanay in Scotland.
1 binenut 2018-12-19
That's pretty cool.
1 queerjihad 2018-12-19
This type of history discussions always suck because most people don't seem to know that kings and emperors used to constantly invade each others usually for simple reasons like wanting to become richer or more famous. Religious, cultural and political borders moved all the time because people fought each other constantly. It was easier to get the Pope to bless your invasion if you were fighting someone who wasn't Catholic, but that doesn't mean that most wars fought between Christians and Muslims were all about religion.
1 binenut 2018-12-19
They were fundamentally unlike most people in non conflict areas are like today. For a long, long time people thought if you could take something from a designated Other, and no one was present to stop you, just go ahead and do it.
The religious conflict part of the Crusades, especially the first one, has a subtext of exporting that violence and opportunism to the paynim since Christendom at the time was not a peaceful civilization.
1 Agenda_Poster 2018-12-19
Did we really even need Constantinople?
1 Redactor0 2018-12-19
It's a pretty big deal.
We've got the ships, we've got the men, and got the money too! We've fought the Bear before and while we're Britons true The Russians shall not have Constantinople.
1 LemonScore_ 2018-12-19
Is becoming like Special Ed the Drama equivalent of transitioning into a tranny?
Which emojis do you identify as?
1 kabutoredde 2018-12-19
It's over for ignorantcels
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Ten thousand millenia
1 JurijFedorov 2018-12-19
Not sure Muslims are a race.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Well then why the fuck have I been called a racist for months now? If Muslims aren't a race, and Mexicans aren't a race, I'm pretty confused what the issue is.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2018-12-19
Clearly you opening your mouth is the issue because most people aren't being called racist for months on end.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Are you one of the new Chapotards around here that completely lack any sense of humor?
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2018-12-19
Insulting people is standard fare here and you set yourself up for that one.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Really? Been around r/drama "for years" and still bite on reactionary statements? Oof
And if shoring up national security and protecting your borders is racist, I'm racist as fuck.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2018-12-19
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/096/564/2f7.jpg
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Could not be farther from the truth.
Wait a minute, you're the one spergposting at me, how am I the angry one?
1 DonnyBravoKingofEire 2018-12-19
Because you're gargling out paragraphs of retarded serious posting about your retarded views on r/Drama of all places
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
I mean it's not like I have shit else better to do today.
1 Shalabadoo 2018-12-19
EVERYONE THAT INSULTS ME IS A CHAPOTARD
1 ab_ra_ca_dabba 2018-12-19
Like when the Muslims Rohingyas persecuted the Hindu Rohingyas in the refugee camp.
Then when Reuters reported the incident, they were accused of giving rise to Islamophobia.
1 MandirKahaBanega 2018-12-19
Even in this article, the author writes pages about what the military did but as to what caused it there's one sentence about 'attacks'. Journos who think their job is to influence rather than report are scum.
1 Megazor 2018-12-19
Wait till you hear about a certain tribe of people who got hooted out of 104 different countries. Weird coincidence
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-12-19
Wh*tes during post-colonialism?
1 LemonScore_ 2018-12-19
Muhammed literally had Jews write the koran for him, Islam is basically a more retarded version of Judaism.
1 Megazor 2018-12-19
Part 3 of every popular franchise usually sucks.
1 Redactor0 2018-12-19
Whoa, why are you bringing up the Jesuits in this thread? 😂😂😂
1 hotelwhowhat 2018-12-19
they said that about the jews too 😴
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
The Jews don't behead people who insult their God or prophet last I checked. Little different. A lot of 'muslim persecution' is just retribution. Literally Sikhs have been persecuted by Muslims nearly their entire existence.
1 hotelwhowhat 2018-12-19
Do you even know whats going on in China right now?
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
I can't be bothered to keep up with the war against the Chinese delivery guy leaving menus on my door, and you expect me to keep tabs on an entire country? Pure insanity.
1 Thisisepicstein 2018-12-19
They're owning libtards
1 LighthouseToLunar 2018-12-19
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1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-19
Do you know anything about what's going on with the Rohingya?
They previously genocided the rakhine forcing them to flee Bangladesh and started the conflict by raping and murderering a Rakhine woman, then after a temporary truce/peace/lack of violence they started attacking Rakhine which escalated it.
134 ethnic groups in Myanmar have had 0 problems with the Rakhine
When do you hear about buddhist terrorism or buddhist violence?
1 hotelwhowhat 2018-12-19
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32929855
My family are buddhists. I have only heard one case of a corrupted buddhist and a temple. But yes, buddhists are peaceful people. But violence is not unheard of and can build a movement.
I don't like Islam. Its a shitty belief. The DDF is probably more progressive than half of muslims.
But that doesn't justify scaring women and children. I don't give a fuck what happens to the men.
And I don't know what the muslims in China did to justify their treatment.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-19
Do you know anything about what's going on with the Rohingya?
They previously genocided the rakhine forcing them to flee Bangladesh and started the conflict by raping and murderering a Rakhine woman, then after a temporary truce/peace/lack of violence they started attacking Rakhine which escalated it.
134 ethnic groups in Myanmar have had 0 problems with the Rakhine
When do you hear about buddhist terrorism or buddhist violence?
1 UmmahSultan 2018-12-19
Islam is not very sophisticated theologically, and the details that make it problematic can easily be controlled. It only cost Saudi Arabia $10b to destroy Islam's reputation with Salafism. Any major country could afford to turn them all into harmless Sufis, but authoritarian states benefit more by having a scapegoat to oppress.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Yes, progressive Saudi Arabia, how did I forget. Did they find which buckets Khashoggi's pieces were found in yet?
1 UmmahSultan 2018-12-19
My point is that it only costs an investment of money to turn Islam into either a bad religion or a good religion. Religious beliefs don't come from Allah, but from investors. If you don't like Saudi Arabia controlling the faith then start paying for something better.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
We could just scrap it all together and do the world a favor
1 MandirKahaBanega 2018-12-19
Lmao imagine actually believing this. Peaceful Sufis are a meme, the only thing different between them and other missionaries was that they syncretized the faith to more easily convert kafirs. The peaceful elements that Sufis get praise for were part of the faiths they tried to dismantle their whole lives.
This is one of the most famous Sufi saints in the subcontinent btw.
Good luck teaching the Arabs that their religion is actually the one made to convert people who aren't savages like them and not the one handed down to them directly from their prophet. Good luck finding any theological backing for that from actual Arab sources and not works written by some Arab trying to convert a few thousand Bangladeshi fishermen.
1 Zomaarwat 2018-12-19
*say
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-12-19
Seriouspost: I don’t like Islam, but that doesn’t make it cool to massacre an entire ethnic group for being Muslim.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
They should probably stop trying to do the same themselves then?
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-12-19
The c. 2 million Rohingya were trying to genocide the 50 million other people living in Burma?
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
I don't think that's what I was referring to, but I mean you tell me. Why do so many different ethnic groups in Asia hate Muslims? Can't just be "islamophobia". Something had to invite these feelings, deep generational feelings of hatred.
But I guess we'll pretend that historically one of the most warmongering groups this side of the United States or colonizing England are always peaceful I guess.
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-12-19
You’re being retarded. I already said that I don’t like Islam. It is an evil, violent religion. However, Islam=bad isn’t a good enough reason to commit massacres against Muslim ethnic groups.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
I mean you're not wrong. I am retarded. I post to r/drama.
And if I can see my own country picked apart and people be blamed for shit that happened 200 years before their birth, I don't see why I can't return the favor. Surely one of these people's descendents led raids that killed a lot of innocents!
But seriously, you're trying to claim that the many shouldn't suffer for the sins of the few on the sub that argues for MAYOCIDE NOW. That's cute. I like you.
1 DonnyBravoKingofEire 2018-12-19
Imagine being this much of a ignorant retard and proudly defending yourself.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
I mean I was more talking the whole 40 acres and a mule thing, but sure.
1 DonnyBravoKingofEire 2018-12-19
Cope more
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Cope with what exactly, oh all knowing snappy commenter
1 DonnyBravoKingofEire 2018-12-19
The fact that Islam during the medieval ages was actually much farther ahead than their counterpart Christian societies and that Western Civilization as we know it today developed largely because of previous medicinal and scientific discoveries recovered from Islamic centers of learning by Christian crusaders.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Things weren't shitty once in a lot of places that are shitty now. I'm well aware of that, thanks.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-19
No the 2 million rohingyas had previously kicked the rakhine out of Bangladesh and then gang raped and murdered a rakhine woman which started the conflict
1 MandirKahaBanega 2018-12-19
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chittagong_Hill_Tracts_conflict
That's this very situation just flipped btw, Bangladeshis genociding Hindus and Buddhists on the Burmese border in 20##. How many theses level articles have been written by bleeding heart Western journos about this yet? Find me one as a matter of fact.
1 life_is_painful__ 2018-12-19
We haven't yet given you a good reason to hate us kaffir
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
1 life_is_painful__ 2018-12-19
dogs are haram to feast on but you, kaffir, will be an expectation
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-12-19
Exception*
If you're going to call a jihad on me, at least use the right words.
1 holditsteady 2018-12-19
secular muslim states like turkey seemed okay for a while
1 friend1y 2018-12-19
Even though she's a cute Asian, she's still a Kafir. Burka-nize her for peace.
1 rnjbond 2018-12-19
If this were an actual article instead of a quasi infographic, it would actually be interesting.
1 CompetitiveLoiterer 2018-12-19
Imagine thinking fighting for your people means you have to fight for minorities too lol
1 MetaFactoryFactory 2018-12-19
I thought this was going to be about the UK before I clicked.
1 ArlenBilldozer 2018-12-19
People hate to 45 (hurr durr got eem) is right about anything, but he's 100% about some countries just being shitholes.
1 Chauncy_Prime 2018-12-19
She is more in prison now than when she was under house arrest. What is she going to do to stop the junta? What stops the junta from hurting people she cares about? She could say and do as she pleased before from a political stand point not with out criminal consequence. Now she is in charge of the government she was once against giving it legitimacy whether she intended to or not. Cutting her off from her former political allies.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-12-19
I don't know what they were expecting
1 Anaseb 2018-12-19
Do things the way the progressive west does democracy; keep all matters of immigration out of the hands of voters and use migrants as voter blocs to undermine opponents and troublesome natives.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-12-19
Nobody wants to move to Myanmar tho.
1 ShinJoe 2018-12-19
The problem is that she IS solving the problem.
1 Kiru-kokujin25 2018-12-19
i hate all these retards who know literally nothing about the myanmar conflict acting like the rohingyas are purely innocent
>rakhine get genocided and peresecuted by rohingyas in bangladesh
>flee to myanmar to escape persecution
>rohingyas come to myanmar
>rohingyas gang rape and murder rakhine woman
>rakhine being previously persecuted in bangladesh stand up for themselves
>after a temporary pause in the violence the rohingyas start attacking rakhine again
>dumb mayos fall for fake news pictures of """genocide""" https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-32979147
there are 134 other ethnic groups in myanmar but only the rohingya are hated and despised as much
1 KulakBlack 2018-12-19
what the fuck is this website