Retarded commies upvote a fake Huxley quote. 15k upvotes

1  2018-12-23 by Ayylmao11023

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the slaves would love their servitude

If this were true, freeing the slaves would be the most arrogant, evil thing you could do.

Am I weird for having read BNW and thought that their society sounded basically all right?

Depends on whether you ignored Huxley's central theme like that fuckwit Neil Postman: The caste system build and maintained by breeding 90% genetically modified idiots and 10% various degree of smart people to rule them, the elimination of meaningful intimacy and so on.

Looks at Jewish IQ scores

It truly makes sense

elimination of meaningful intimacy

kazaar milkers are plenty meaningful.

tits, the foundation of society

Don't forget the society experiment full of alphas led to endless revolt and a dissolution of society.

Chads rise up!

Yeah, in BNW everything is seen from the perspective of Alphas and an outsider (who is basically Alpha-adjacent since iirc the others are made by giving a normal baby fetal alcohol syndrome while Alphas are "normal" humans). Consider the rest of society, and it gets a lot bleaker.

Yeah they made everyone else varying stages of retarded to hold up their alpha society. The lower castes weren't happy, they were just mentally disabled and drugged out.

The lower castes were "happy" in the sense that your dog is "happy", except a dog is in its natural state while the sub-Betas were genetically altered in utero by the ruling class to effectively fill the roll of biological automatons.

What's fucked up is that Huxley was actually on to something with the genetic alteration decades before his time. We still have yet to produce a humanoid robot that can replicate the range of activity that a human teenager can. It would actually be far more efficient to just breed a bunch of stunted humans to fill out our basic social roles. Normal people are completely unfulfilled in these positions (for good reason) and yet we are still far from being able to automate these roles.

It would actually be far more efficient to just breed a bunch of stunted humans to fill out our basic social roles.

This is the goddamn wokest take I've ever seen. We need to start this, stat

we're the stunted humans

Fulfilling the r/drama reader role

Mark my words, there will be people in the next couple of decades that propose we genetically stunt unwanted or "excess" fetuses to fill roles that normal people wouldn't. It will probably happen in the PRC first.

Commies already tried it -- twice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee

There is also a report by Gordon Gallup of a female chimpanzee being inseminated with human sperm, becoming pregnant, and successfully giving birth in 1920's in the US, however the newborn hybrid is said to have been euthanized soon after

And Americucks supposedly succeeded. Though the source is pretty unreliable.

And Americucks supposedly succeeded.

How do you think we got /u/MasterLawlz?

So you're saying eugenicists should want more Down syndrome babies?

You don't want them any stupider than humans already are (see McNamara's morons, also one of the few over a kiloton non-nuclear explosions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster). What we want them to be is happy, and fentanyl is the answer.

Wait, Amusing Ourselves to Death Neil Postman??

As a counterpoint: We clearly weren't supposed to view Epsilons/Deltas as fully human, which would not have been overly abhorrent from a 1920's perspective. Those roles would have been filled with robots today. The real abhorrence is the eusocial aspect of living, emphasized by the unnecessary cloning of lower castes, that is emphasized more.

Those roles would have been filled with robots today

We've spent billions trying to build robots that can achieve these roles and yet we aren't even close. At best we've built robots to augment human roles in supply chains.

The Epsilon manning the elevator was replaced by the button panel. Just because the automation and interface streamlining is not obviously visible doesn't mean they are not replacing roles.

Of course, but the automation could only go so far.

Yes. But the point was never automating everything, just the brain-dead Epsilon/Delta tasks.

There were more than Epsilon and Delta IIRC, but yeah, we would have no need for Epsilons because our current infrastructure has already replaced their roles. However, the Deltas were far from "brain dead". They were basically genetically altered to be society's bottom percentiles.

What exactly did the Deltas do anyway? I was under the impression that they were assembly line worker types, the kind that is gradually being replaced by machinery.

They were low level professions I think. Huxley neglected to cover the service aspects of BNW's economy so that is the sector I would see genetic alterations being "viable". We are nowhere close to automating the job of a line cook but a simpleton who knew how to breath and cook would be much more efficient.

What do you mean with “eusocial aspect of living”? Can you explain that a bit more?

The abandonment of the individual for the collective. A constant point was made throughout the book that individuals in their society are made to constantly engage in pointless social activities, that deprives the ability of the individual to think and make them dependent on the current order.

Oooh right, thank you 🙏

I wouldn't classify the society in Brave New World as eusocial. Sure there was a division of labor, but this wasn't along reproductive lines. If I remember correctly, everyone was a clone they just made different alterations during development to set the caste trajectory.

That is something that happens in at least eusocial insects, but no one is getting the benefit of reproduction, especially since sex is viewed as a solely recreational tool

Which is also the case in eusocial insects, as everyone save for the Queen do not reproduce. In BMW the role is taken by the artificial wombs.

Yes, but in eusocial insects the queen is part of the society and demarcates the division of labor via reproduction.

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Artificial wombs are not part of the society because they are tools used to facilitate the rearing of new people. They are not individuals.

The artificial womb is an extension of the World State, which controls society and rigidly enforces the division of labor.

You are still stretching here. You could classify the society as a super organism, but that applies to humans right now. The reproductive division of labor is fuzzy since no one class is solely reproducing.

...man, what a weird surname that dude had lel

This is the type of quality post /r/drama needs in this kind of discussion

Yeah, that's pretty weird tbh.

it sounds alright as much as gambling sounds alright, only a few lucky people actually get experienced that utopia. most likely you would have ended up as a alcohol baby, but by judging your analysis, your already one.

The alcohol babies are too dumb to realise they're alcohol babies. Sounds pretty dope tbqhwyf

Do it to your kids then

I’m from a rich family and I went to an Ivy League school, I’d be infuriatingly upper class whether I deserved it or not.

> Rich

> Unironcally believes slave society is a good thing

> Believes their status is intrensic, and will always be on top

Thats a yikes for me dog

Whoever is on top when the rules are made generally designs the rules so that they remain at the top.

I think being called a rich kid cool with slavery is a more serious accusation

I’m professional class. That means I have to do labor for my living and have relatively little capital at my disposal, its just that my labor is obscenely overvalued.

Also, bless me Father, for I am about to reference wandshit in an argument: You know how the house elves from those Britbong kiddie-books were eugenically selected to literally want to be slaves? That’s the only ethical form of servitude that there could ever be, really.

There's a pretty funny Harry Potter fanfic called Seventh Horcrux where Voldemort accidently copied (most of) his personality over Harry's the night in Godric's Hollow.

In the story, Harrymort is convinced that Hermione is a Dark Lady because she wants to free the house elves.

Because if you give house elves freedom, they just lay down and die.

He saw that happen once, and it was hilarious.

"Hermione, why do you hate house-elves so much?"

The problem is the rulers kid rarely comes out like the ruler, and tend to find their way to the bottom rather quickly, unless they work hard and use what they were given to remain at the top or even climb higher

I know. That’s why the rulers should be encouraged to fuck each other as much as they want, but be separated from their kids at birth and forbidden from knowing which ones are biologically their own.

I don’t mind smart people giving their money to their smart kids to better the world faster. If the kids dumb he’ll figure out a way to lose it. Smart people always make it to the top anyways so who cares

Smart people should always make it to the top (ie ableism is unironically a good thing and our society needs more of it), but unfortunately, right now you can be born in circumstances where all the innate ability in the world won’t help you out of poverty.

I disagree, with so many gibs and scholarships and free rides, and free public schools, if a smart kid really wants to be successful they absolutely can. Yea there are edge cases that are fucked regardless, but all systems have edge cases no one can solve, its the tragedy of humanity or some shit

Okay, but think about how stupid and self-destructive even the smartest teenager can be, especially when peer pressure enters the picture. It’s one thing if the worst peer pressure might make you do is drink Natties in a basement until you crap yourself. It’s another thing entirely if the peer pressure is to join a gang or some dangerous shit like that.

From what I’ve seen, everyone does stupid shit in their teenage years, but smart kids always do the right thing, the degree of the stupid shit they do is not as bad as the kid that joins a gang.

Look I'm gonna have to ask you to keep your giant dumps in the toilet, not in random drama threads

implying this sub isn’t the toilet

Are you one of those unironic posters here?

nigga did you know that you're nominated for the /r/badphilosophy Dunning Kruger awards? https://www.reddit.com/r/badphilosophy/comments/a68tj1/nomination_thread_for_the_seventh_annual_dunning/ebswq8b/

The sub did not appreciate your comment in /r/jordanpeterson stating that the only female philosopher you know is Ayn Rand, nor the ensuing drama: https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/9t257w/ladies_and_gentlemenwe_got_him_jordan_peterson/e8tget8/

lol r/BadPhilosophy are the dumbest bunch of people ever, they’re like the wannabe philosopher chapter of chapo, and the embodiment of “i was only acting stupid hehe” On top of that they even misread the comment they nominated me for lol. I said I was digging deep in my own head to think of a female philosopher, but they thought I meant I was researching everywhere. Kinda ironic how such wannabe philosopher marxists have such bad reading comprehension

lmao ur poor

You're American. It's impossible for you to ever truly be upper class.

Naturalized American. It once might have been possible, but I suppose my parents shut that door for me.

I went to an Ivy League school

Lol, aren't you supposed to say, coyly, "a small college outside Boston" or some shit? This sort of straightforward bragging is very low class. Sad!

If you think about it, BNW was just a BDSM book for middle aged British nerds.

i jerked off like 2 or 3 times when i was reading it, but i was like 14

Yikes...

yes, you’re a degen fag

And that’s a good thing.

Nope! From a literary standpoint, the only difference between a dystopia and a utopia is the point of view of the reader or author.

Same could be said for a lot of genres tbh. Like, to you and me “Lolita” might be uncomfortable satire, but to YameteOniichanItai it’s scintillatingly hot erotica.

good point 🤔🤔🤔

His sequel Island basically was ‘Brave New World’ as a utopia where he abandoned the idea of the fetal alcohol caste and toned down the emotionless orgies.

He comes out of it looking like everything in moderation radical centrist.

Is he /ournovelist/?

Every edgy teenager thinks BNW was all right because you miss the message

Nah, it’s because I read it right after reading 1984, and BNW sounded so much better.

Read WE

Both those books are for dumbos

WE

What dat

Am I weird for having read BNW and thought that their society sounded basically all right?

The only thing wrong with BNW society is the reserves things. Other than that, it's a great society I would love to live in.

The point of BNW is not to say "look how wrong the future can go", but rather to explore how wrong and alien a reasonably normal future (consider that eugenics were a progressive thing back then) would feel for people of the present.

My experience has usually been that those that see it as a dystopia are of a more conservative disposition, but with the great reshuffling of politics of the last 10 or so years, this might no longer be the case.

Maybe. The whole point of the book is how empty and hollow their existence is. Nothing any of them do will ever carry significance. No one has a legacy. People are forgotten as soon as they die in the name of goodfeels. It is denying the human experience. Whether that means anything is up to you but the idea is tragic to me.

No, it just means you're a hedonist

Yes, it just means you're a hedonist

It was his elevator pitch for Brave New World.

Okay, so like, what if instead of everyone being factory workers or whatever, what if they were like, instead, like really rich and got everything they ever wanted but they were secretly being slaves the whole time by the system and reporters had TVs on their heads?

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Lmao. They won't even spell retard. Jesus fucking Christ. And someone in there is complaining it isnt censored enough. Now that is RETARDED.

Most of the subs there are just drama users laughing at the_marx though.

I read the book on my own in high school while other students had it taught to them. I remember the other students saw it in a distopian light and as some sort of foreboding satire, but I thought it was just a description of a perfect utopia.

Look at galaxy brain over here reading books that aren't on the summer reading list.

the US police is much more militarized than frances

How do you get this retarded? The military is part of the french policing system. Gendarmerie is a thing.

Read only American 'news'.

Retarded Commie Why are you using the same word twice.

non retards know the word “redundant”

Tautology

lol there’s no logical statement here you fucking commie

What did he mean by this?

Taking the quote at face value, the concept of "a prison where people think they're free" is basically a Communist ideal.

Title is redundant

He may have never technically said this, but this was the essence of Brave New World. Ironic that the fuckwits over at LSC are upvoting a "quote" from someone who was vehemently anti-communist.

Wow, I've heard some bad huxley takes and those are some of the worst I've ever seen.

Also the quote is very poorly written and only a Philistine would mistake it for a huxley quote.

Relevant comic 1984 vs Brave New World. https://i.imgur.com/TRyRimw.jpg

That comic just repeats the same highschool freshman book report quote repeatedly and they actually think it's profound. Yeah you morons, that's literally huxley's point, but they're not just writing about the most likely dystopia and are touching on other themes and dangers that are subtler than the giant brick that was BNWs theses. also read other books ffs.

High school-tier takes suddenly become 'profound' if you can draw it too.

Lmfao let them think they're smart and enlightened.

LSC is literally doing to communism what /r/atheism did to atheism by 2012.

Eventually all the users will have to grow up and go to work, while the next generation of teens gets to witness how fucking cringy and retarded the Marx fanbase has become.

I sure hope so, /r/atheism is super lame and retarded but also only boomers and freaks are religious now. If /r/lsc is following a similar trend.. very cool.

but also only boomers and freaks are religious now.

literally only true on reddit tbh

hush boomer/freak

The BNW part is more Fahrenheit 451 than anything, to use another high school dystopia comparison.

The virgin Orwell vs Chad Huxley

Is that Huxley? looks like a fucking nerd

He did a bunch of acid on his death bed which is pretty cool.

Fucking sick

I tried to make a comment on the post, but auto-mod deleted my post because I used the word "idiot" which is apparently "ableist". That subreddit is a fucking hugbox nightmare.

I read the book on my own in high school while other students had it taught to them. I remember the other students saw it in a distopian light and as some sort of foreboding satire, but I thought it was just a description of a perfect utopia.

They literally deprived most people of oxygen to damage their brains and make them more malleable. Good lord I hope these people never achieve any real power.

At least our prison has food.

"i peed and farded and shidded and camed my pant"

- Alduos Huxley 1934