It would be strange if a Catholic got it wrong. Most Protestants don't accept the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, so it would make sense that they might not be so familiar with it.
Nuh uh, your original sin doesn’t taint me because I have a sin-proof shield. Also I have the ability to birth a child that can cancel out all sin forever if anyone just asks him to and believes he will.
amy Schumer walks on stage picks up mic, almost drops it twice while fumbling it taps it to test its on, it screeches “Ahem. Welcome to my comedy special. I’m Amy Schumer and I have a vagina.” A few small chuckles begin. They slowly increase until most of the audience is giggling at the joke. They don’t stop but Amy continues on to her next joke. “I have periods too.” The audience suddenly roars into laughter. Tears streaming down some people’s faces as they struggle to breathe. Amy still goes on. “One time I woke up and my vagina was like ooh I’m a vagina” The audience laughs so hard they can’t breathe. Amy Schumer walks off stage. The crowd is still roaring with laughter. People begin to pass out due to inability to breathe from laughing so hard. Amy Schumer walks back out, for one last joke. “I have boobs too” That’s it. Amy runs off stage as fast as she can. The crowd starts going insane. People are ripping each other’s faces off, there’s blood everywhere. People begin stripping naked and throwing their own feces. Security can’t control them. Anyone that tries to stop them is instantly mauled. People begin eating each other’s limbs, still laughing the entire time. This crowd has become an uncontrollable mob. Swat teams burst in through the windows, but they can’t stop the beast. The main floor is now covered by a thin pool of blood. 1/4 of the audience is dead by now, but the laughter is louder than ever. The military gets called in, but they don’t know what to do. They send in teams from every entrance to try to stop the mob, but they’re taken down quite quickly. Eventually they decide the only option is to bomb the venue. They clear out everyone within 16 blocks. A Rockwell B-1 Lancer is flown in. The bomb levels the entire building. As military rushes in to check for casualties only one person is left laughing. It’s coming from under the stage. It’s Amy. She’s covered in dirt and rubble, and she’s bleeding. She’s giggling to herself. The soldiers try to get her out from under the stage, but they can’t reach her. They attempt to coax her out but she isn’t moving. Eventually, after what seems like years, she stops laughing. Everything is silent. Nobody moves, you can hear the sound of everyone’s breath in the crisp, cool air. Amy slowly turns around and scans her audience. “Do you want to hear a joke?”
is Jesus not having a biological father like a spiritual thing, or is it a real thing, like when papists think the wine literally becomes blood in the mass thing?
I've always understood it as a real thing. God directly intervened with one tiny specific act of creation, Jesus was not the bio son of Joseph.
IANAP, but the bit about the wine is "it is and it isn't". There is no lab test that would show it as chemically different to wine, but it's not just "symbolic" blood either.
He could only be her biological son if she was immaculately conceived. Jesus had to be born without sin for his sacrifice to cover the sins of all humanity. If he was Mary’s biological son but not Joseph’s he would inherit sin from Mary if she herself was not sinless, thus requiring Mary to be the surrogate of an organism originating entirely from God. If Mary was born without sin (immaculate conception) then he could be Mary’s biological son and be born without sin.
With the idea that at least one (Jesus or Mary) of them had to be immaculately conceived for Jesus to be born without sin, it kinda makes more sense for Jesus to be the one who was completely the creation of God, not Mary, because Jesus is the more important of the two.
Any particular reason why God would need to create either Holy Sperm or Holy Fertilised Egg when he could just go "right, one of your eggs has just become a male zygote"? Figure this is the same God that could go "hmm, a universe sounds like a cool idea" and it was so (otherwise, why are we even having this conversation?).
Well Jesus is supposed to be the Son of God so having the human Mary self-fertilize (if that's what you're describing?) seems a bit underwhelming, not to mention the inbreeding implications.
Not "self-fertilize" either. If God can create an arbitrarily large number of animal species on one day in creation (however long you take "one day" to be, and that's a whole nother topic), then causing an unfertilised egg to become a fertilised one with a healthy set of chromosomes is about has hard as writing out the seven times table when you can integrate the square root of tan(x) dx.
IANAP, but the bit about the wine is "it is and it isn't". There is no lab test that would show it as chemically different to wine, but it's not just "symbolic" blood either.
I went to Catholic school, so I was taught about this shit. Basically, Catholics believe that when the priest does what he does to the communion wine, the spirit of Jesus get in it like OJ got in his Bronco.
And basically they think that God was Mary's babydaddy and that Joe basically got cucked.
It’s meant to be literal, and viewed that way by all Christian sects as well as Islam. It comes from Isaiah, when he said a sign for all would be when a virgin conceives and has a child
I can only speak for myself and other Protestants I know, but we believe that Jesus was born actually without a biological father. But the “wine becomes blood and bread becomes body” part of communion is metaphorical
Not only did God literally cuck Joseph but there is no way a teenage girl could consent to being impregnated by the omnipotent creator of the universe tbh
The virgin birth of the "god that is also the son of god who was conceived through a ray of light hitting the mother" comes from ancient Mesopotamian propaganda spread by a widowed queen 4300-4500 years ago
The fact that there are people praying to her today without bothering to look into it shows how delusional some religious branches are
I'll take it like this: if it turns out that pagan myths occasionally contain glimpses of the truth, then the implication is not "so much the worse for the Christians" but "so much the better for the pagans", because even in the midst of the darkness God allowed them to be enlightened once in a while.
This isn't to be taken as a proof of the rightness of Christianity. It may, however, serve as a counter to "lol, Babylonian myths got there first". Did I fite you enough or do we need to go at it some more?
Sure, if were talking about "universal truths" then you may have a point since then they would be early glimpses into spiritual truth. I can agree with you there. That being said, its the theft of cultural traditions that i think takes away some credibility
Take the sabbath for instance; god had wanted saturday to be a day of rest / a day with god, instead most Christians see sunday as a day of rest because early groups wanted to incorporate sun worshiping heathens into their midst.
You have people worshiping the virgin mary (who was a human by all accounts), you have people coming to church to have easter eggs blessed, you have half the Christian world unironically believe the Christ was born on the day of the winter solstice. Even the 3 days that jesus had to spend dead before resurrection come from ancient Mesopotamian roots
Im not saying jesus didnt exist, or that his companions werent blessed with wisdom that they then spread, im sure thats at least mostly true. Im only arguing that the church has corrupted the religion by adopting pagan beliefs over hundreds of years so that it may better appeal to heathens as it spread
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-12-24
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1 BIknkbtKitNwniS 2018-12-24
Look at this absolute theologylet.
Immaculate Conception refers to the birth of the Virgin Mary without OG sin. The birth of Jesus is a different thing.
1 JenkemStyle 2018-12-24
Yes, I know. It’s the Chad virgin birth vs. the incel immaculate conception.
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-12-24
Have memes gone too far?
1 mcslibbin 2018-12-24
ya
1 Mikeavelli 2018-12-24
Memes went too far years ago. Now we're just living in the shattered husk of a world their overuse led to.
1 sadderreborn 2018-12-24
World War Meme: information overload edition
1 PorschephileGT3 2018-12-24
Always been curious how many Christians would get that question wrong.
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1 schabadoo 2018-12-24
Always been curious how many Christians would get that question wrong.
1 DoctorMort 2018-12-24
It would be strange if a Catholic got it wrong. Most Protestants don't accept the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, so it would make sense that they might not be so familiar with it.
1 sixty_nine_69 2018-12-24
That's what they get for being heretics.
1 DoctorMort 2018-12-24
Repent, papist!
1 sixty_nine_69 2018-12-24
I'm not the one facing eternal damnation.
1 DoctorMort 2018-12-24
You must've rejected the pope then. Good to hear!
1 pepperouchau 2018-12-24
Why are you typing this instead of writing it and nailing it to a door somewhere
1 austinaccount 2018-12-24
Immaculate conception is Mary's birth.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-12-24
It's over for christcels
1 the_popcorn_pisser 2018-12-24
Wait wut.
1 austinaccount 2018-12-24
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception
1 Awayfone 2018-12-24
Catholic believe that when Mary was conceived she was not tainted by original sin a.k.a immaculate. She was pre-redeemed by jesus's future sacrifice
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2018-12-24
It’s not explained why God couldn’t do this for anyone else.
1 mcslibbin 2018-12-24
retarded
1 Patsy02 2018-12-24
It really is dumb, to put it as politely as possible
1 Metal_Charizard 2018-12-24
Nuh uh, your original sin doesn’t taint me because I have a sin-proof shield. Also I have the ability to birth a child that can cancel out all sin forever if anyone just asks him to and believes he will.
1 ErictheRedding 2018-12-24
It's just turtles all the way down.
1 aqouta 2018-12-24
Ut what does the dope ass lion stand on?
1 ClaireBear1123 2018-12-24
What is with them and Mary anyways. The OG faghag.
1 TheBrapthorn 2018-12-24
You know those pagan religions and their worship of virgin women? It's basically just that, specifically from the greeks and romans.
1 SlackBabo 2018-12-24
Bible jumped the shark at that point
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-12-24
It was a bit of a season 3 retcon iah
1 austinaccount 2018-12-24
This little piece of dogma wasn't added until the 19th century.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-12-24
At least Islam is consistent that all women are whores.
1 OniTan 2018-12-24
Jew broad has a magic pussy.
1 sadderreborn 2018-12-24
Ok, now this is epic
1 CarolusMinimus 2018-12-24
Sarah Silverman's clit just tingled.
1 OniTan 2018-12-24
"My vagina!"
(Audience laughs)
"Is wet!"
(Audience cheers wildly)
1 zergling_Lester 2018-12-24
amy Schumer walks on stage picks up mic, almost drops it twice while fumbling it taps it to test its on, it screeches “Ahem. Welcome to my comedy special. I’m Amy Schumer and I have a vagina.” A few small chuckles begin. They slowly increase until most of the audience is giggling at the joke. They don’t stop but Amy continues on to her next joke. “I have periods too.” The audience suddenly roars into laughter. Tears streaming down some people’s faces as they struggle to breathe. Amy still goes on. “One time I woke up and my vagina was like ooh I’m a vagina” The audience laughs so hard they can’t breathe. Amy Schumer walks off stage. The crowd is still roaring with laughter. People begin to pass out due to inability to breathe from laughing so hard. Amy Schumer walks back out, for one last joke. “I have boobs too” That’s it. Amy runs off stage as fast as she can. The crowd starts going insane. People are ripping each other’s faces off, there’s blood everywhere. People begin stripping naked and throwing their own feces. Security can’t control them. Anyone that tries to stop them is instantly mauled. People begin eating each other’s limbs, still laughing the entire time. This crowd has become an uncontrollable mob. Swat teams burst in through the windows, but they can’t stop the beast. The main floor is now covered by a thin pool of blood. 1/4 of the audience is dead by now, but the laughter is louder than ever. The military gets called in, but they don’t know what to do. They send in teams from every entrance to try to stop the mob, but they’re taken down quite quickly. Eventually they decide the only option is to bomb the venue. They clear out everyone within 16 blocks. A Rockwell B-1 Lancer is flown in. The bomb levels the entire building. As military rushes in to check for casualties only one person is left laughing. It’s coming from under the stage. It’s Amy. She’s covered in dirt and rubble, and she’s bleeding. She’s giggling to herself. The soldiers try to get her out from under the stage, but they can’t reach her. They attempt to coax her out but she isn’t moving. Eventually, after what seems like years, she stops laughing. Everything is silent. Nobody moves, you can hear the sound of everyone’s breath in the crisp, cool air. Amy slowly turns around and scans her audience. “Do you want to hear a joke?”
The End.
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1 CarolusMinimus 2018-12-24
It's Mary's inception.
1 cimarafa 2018-12-24
Yoshke fans of drama, I have a question:
is Jesus not having a biological father like a spiritual thing, or is it a real thing, like when papists think the wine literally becomes blood in the mass thing?
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-12-24
I've always understood it as a real thing. God directly intervened with one tiny specific act of creation, Jesus was not the bio son of Joseph.
IANAP, but the bit about the wine is "it is and it isn't". There is no lab test that would show it as chemically different to wine, but it's not just "symbolic" blood either.
1 atsteak 2018-12-24
Was Jesus the bio son of Mary though, or was she just a surrogate?
1 -66- 2018-12-24
He could only be her biological son if she was immaculately conceived. Jesus had to be born without sin for his sacrifice to cover the sins of all humanity. If he was Mary’s biological son but not Joseph’s he would inherit sin from Mary if she herself was not sinless, thus requiring Mary to be the surrogate of an organism originating entirely from God. If Mary was born without sin (immaculate conception) then he could be Mary’s biological son and be born without sin.
With the idea that at least one (Jesus or Mary) of them had to be immaculately conceived for Jesus to be born without sin, it kinda makes more sense for Jesus to be the one who was completely the creation of God, not Mary, because Jesus is the more important of the two.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-12-24
Any particular reason why God would need to create either Holy Sperm or Holy Fertilised Egg when he could just go "right, one of your eggs has just become a male zygote"? Figure this is the same God that could go "hmm, a universe sounds like a cool idea" and it was so (otherwise, why are we even having this conversation?).
1 atsteak 2018-12-24
Well Jesus is supposed to be the Son of God so having the human Mary self-fertilize (if that's what you're describing?) seems a bit underwhelming, not to mention the inbreeding implications.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-12-24
Not "self-fertilize" either. If God can create an arbitrarily large number of animal species on one day in creation (however long you take "one day" to be, and that's a whole nother topic), then causing an unfertilised egg to become a fertilised one with a healthy set of chromosomes is about has hard as writing out the seven times table when you can integrate the square root of tan(x) dx.
1 LemonScore_ 2018-12-24
Why do humans maintain their Tamagochis when they could be creating and raising real humans?
1 arkenverg714 2018-12-24
I went to Catholic school, so I was taught about this shit. Basically, Catholics believe that when the priest does what he does to the communion wine, the spirit of Jesus get in it like OJ got in his Bronco.
And basically they think that God was Mary's babydaddy and that Joe basically got cucked.
1 askexplainlikeim5 2018-12-24
It's over for humancels
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-12-24
It's over for spermcels.
1 askexplainlikeim5 2018-12-24
It's over for cellcels
1 BadGoyWithAGun 2018-12-24
Jesus being born of a virgin is part of the dogma, so profession of that belief is required both in the spiritual and biological sense.
prot begone
1 Jas0nJewnova 2018-12-24
Even worse, she's a jüden 🤢
1 UserUnknown2 2018-12-24
For Catholics, yes. They believe in transubstantiation, that the miracle happens
1 Mikeavelli 2018-12-24
It's pretty much exactly like Star Wars 1. God uses the midichlorians to create life out of nothing, his mother didn't even get to have sex.
1 justchillouteveryone 2018-12-24
It’s meant to be literal, and viewed that way by all Christian sects as well as Islam. It comes from Isaiah, when he said a sign for all would be when a virgin conceives and has a child
1 coleisawesome3 2018-12-24
I can only speak for myself and other Protestants I know, but we believe that Jesus was born actually without a biological father. But the “wine becomes blood and bread becomes body” part of communion is metaphorical
1 Metal_Charizard 2018-12-24
It’s a scientific thing. Mary had so many midichlorians that The Force basically inseminated her.
1 Sc0tty2hotty 2018-12-24
Not only did God literally cuck Joseph but there is no way a teenage girl could consent to being impregnated by the omnipotent creator of the universe tbh
1 ReddneckwithaD 2018-12-24
The virgin birth of the "god that is also the son of god who was conceived through a ray of light hitting the mother" comes from ancient Mesopotamian propaganda spread by a widowed queen 4300-4500 years ago
The fact that there are people praying to her today without bothering to look into it shows how delusional some religious branches are
1 JustLions 2018-12-24
Congratulations, you're the first person ever to notice how retarded religion is.
1 OniTan 2018-12-24
There's also nothing about Santa, the Easter bunny, or pumpkins in the Bible but that doesn't seem to bother people.
1 Momruepari 2018-12-24
who cares
1 Awayfone 2018-12-24
I dont therecis a single fact right in there
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-12-24
Is this true like it's true that Easter is named after Ishtar, or is it even truer than that?
1 ReddneckwithaD 2018-12-24
Ishtar is a later deification of the queen in question actually! So take that as you will
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-12-24
I'll take it like this: if it turns out that pagan myths occasionally contain glimpses of the truth, then the implication is not "so much the worse for the Christians" but "so much the better for the pagans", because even in the midst of the darkness God allowed them to be enlightened once in a while.
This isn't to be taken as a proof of the rightness of Christianity. It may, however, serve as a counter to "lol, Babylonian myths got there first". Did I fite you enough or do we need to go at it some more?
1 ReddneckwithaD 2018-12-24
Sure, if were talking about "universal truths" then you may have a point since then they would be early glimpses into spiritual truth. I can agree with you there. That being said, its the theft of cultural traditions that i think takes away some credibility
Take the sabbath for instance; god had wanted saturday to be a day of rest / a day with god, instead most Christians see sunday as a day of rest because early groups wanted to incorporate sun worshiping heathens into their midst.
You have people worshiping the virgin mary (who was a human by all accounts), you have people coming to church to have easter eggs blessed, you have half the Christian world unironically believe the Christ was born on the day of the winter solstice. Even the 3 days that jesus had to spend dead before resurrection come from ancient Mesopotamian roots
Im not saying jesus didnt exist, or that his companions werent blessed with wisdom that they then spread, im sure thats at least mostly true. Im only arguing that the church has corrupted the religion by adopting pagan beliefs over hundreds of years so that it may better appeal to heathens as it spread
1 LikeTotesObvi 2018-12-24
If you've ever held a babby and had your mouth water, you'll understand the "tender and mild" line better.
1 Smooth_Sherbet 2018-12-24
I'm offended. Delete this or you'll face the might of /r/the_donald, libtard.
1 DocMjolnir 2018-12-24
I feel personally attacked
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2018-12-24
The immaculate conception refers to the conception of Mary, not Jesus.
1 ErictheRedding 2018-12-24
this would be right at home in /r/DankChristianityMemes
1 PixelatedFractal 2018-12-24
Never thought I'd learn Christian lore from an r/drama thread. It really permeates all walks of life
1 DAE_LeDumpfLOL 2018-12-24
> looks for the momruepari stamp of approval
fucking weak
1 CarolusMinimus 2018-12-24
"Silent Night", the incel hymn.
1 12pmbreakfast 2018-12-24
I too follow gayvapeshark on instagram
1 JenkemStyle 2018-12-24
Check the timestamps.
1 12pmbreakfast 2018-12-24
Wait a minute. Are you gvs or am I stupid
1 JenkemStyle 2018-12-24
Nah.
1 12pmbreakfast 2018-12-24
Idgi
1 JenkemStyle 2018-12-24
I stole the post from the GVS admins Facebook. I stole the title from someone’s comment.
1 12pmbreakfast 2018-12-24
I have no idea what the first sentence means bc I don’t have Facebook but I kind of understand now
1 sixty_nine_69 2018-12-24
I'm not the one facing eternal damnation.
1 Hydronair 2018-12-24
IF YOURE IMMACUATELY CONCEPTED ITS ACTUALLY OVER