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Mentioning the F-35 one way or the other is the best way to cause sperg overload among airchair military experts, it's glorious.

1.5 trillion USD well spent!

We haven’t spent it yet, that’s over the full 50 years of servi...

Goddamnit I can’t help but take the bait.

I know! It's fucking brilliant isn't it.

If we were smart we’d just build more A-10s.

The best thing about the 5th generation multirole stealth dramacraft is that nobody will ever find out whether it's a good aircraft as it'll only be used to bomb terrorist weddings.

Do i really have to tell you why you're wrong on r/Drama of all places.

The A-10 is armored with a literal titanium “bathtub” so it can fly slow and low to take out ground forces while the F35 has to hide miles away to prevent it from being shot down.

Scenario 1:

• A-10 goes in for CAS.

• Low and slow because "thats how cas should be done" - guy from the 60s.

• Pantsir sees A-10.

• A-10 turns into fireball.

• Pilot doesn't have good enough room to eject.

• Pilot dies and we lose an aircraft.

• Ground forces die

Scenario 2:

• F-35 called to do CAS

• Arrives extremely quickly

• 50 miles above the ground, practically undetectable at this range.

• Delivers extremely accurate SDBs, JTACs literally target the bombs themselves.

• Goes home when runs out of SDBs.

• Ground forces live.

• Enemy now under constant stress over enemy CAS that cant be seen or dealt with

Scenario 3: (COIN edition)

• Ground forces need CAS

• A-29 called in

• Gives low and slow CAS

• Does the same job as an A-10 for 20 times cheaper and most likely better.

Yet by the time the flying bug mobile is actually ready for service it will be obsolete due to AI controller drones which are much, much cheaper than either option.

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Drones have the flaw of not being intelligent enough to make complex decisions, factoring in ethical and geopolitical factors, that are required to do things like drop bombs where there’s a risk of civilian non-combatants being present, or when intercepting a non-responsive civilian airliner, or when considering what to do about another nation’s combat aircraft straying over your border, etc.

Today, drones fly and navigate by themselves, but humans are always required for the drone to drop a bomb or fire a missile. That’s been fine so far, because they’ve only been used against insurgents who have little ability to fight back.

However, if you wanted to replace fighter jets and stealth bombers with unmanned systems, with the intention of using them against a nation like Russia or China (or a nation heavily armed by them), then you face the dilemma of what happens when something like a Chinese J-16 jams the data link connecting your drone to the human required to launch weapons.

Now, technology today is more than capable of creating a drone that can detect, identify, target and engage aircraft, etc, 100% on its own, but what about situations where a bit more finesse is required?

For example, what if your drone is performing surveillance in the Black Sea, when suddenly it gets jammed by accident by Russian forces jamming Ukrainian forces? Will your drone know that it’s not under attack? Will it understand that a Russian ship shooting at a Ukrainian vessel is not hostile activity it needs to respond to? Will it know not to engage a Russian fighter that flies up close to observe the drone?

Or in another example; if a drone is sent up to intercept a non-responsive airliner (which happens quite a bit) and the drone suffers a communications system failure, what will it do? What if the airliner wasn’t just unresponsive but actually part of a terrorist attack? What if the airliner had an electrical failure (losing navigation and comms) and its crew was waiting for a fighter to escort them to a safe runway?

What if the drone was flying over Syria today (where Russian forces have been doing a lot of jamming, even causing US forces to lose GPS or comms at times), the drone was tasked with bombing a building that’s about to host 4 insurgent leaders, the drone loses communications as collateral damage to Russian jamming, and then while no human is watching, a few kids run into the targeted building?

Can the drone be intelligent enough to pull a red card and cancel the strike (which contrary to some people’s beliefs, has happened many, many times)? Or even if there weren’t any kids / innocents, can it be intelligent enough to perform the strike when it recognises that 4 vehicles have pulled up and had occupants matching the target descriptions walk into the building?

What if the enemy manages to break the encryption of the drone’s data links and sends it false information, suddenly telling it that everything it thought was friendly is now hostile and vice versa? Will it be intelligent enough to notice that something so bizarre can’t possibly be correct? Will it be intelligent enough to know something’s up when new target coordinates describing the location of allied airbases, etc start getting fed to it supposedly from command?

What if a target is on the move and enters a protected building? Will the drone be intelligent enough to abort the attack or at least wait until the target leaves?

All of these things can be handled by human pilots in an F-35, because human pilots generally have legal and ethical accountability and have enough intelligence to understand the geopolitical implications of their actions.

Autonomous systems are the future, but for the time being we need humans in charge of them and the intent for the near future is that humans in aircraft like F-35s will be the human team leaders of packs of drone wingmen.

Another important thing to point out is that drones aren’t necessarily a fraction of the cost. When you consider the cost of an F-35, very, very little of that cost relates to the systems required to keep the human alive. Most of it is in the aircraft’s structure, engine and mission systems (radar, etc). A drone can be made smaller than any manned fighter, but you can’t make a drone 1/4 the size of an F-35 and still have it carry an even remotely similar payload, or set of sensors, or fuel to fly a similar distance.

Take an MQ-4C Triton for example; that’s a drone that’s shorter than an F-35 (but has a much larger wingspan), weighs less than an F-35, can’t fly as fast as an F-35 (but can fly much further), isn’t stealthy, can’t really manoeuvre, and can’t carry weapons. The MQ-4C however does have a comparable set of sensors to the F-35 (although they’re designed for monitoring surface threats, not airborne threats).

An F-35A today costs about $89 million.

An MQ-4C today costs about $120 million.

Overall, life support systems are cheap compared to things like racks of avionics and high gain satellite communications systems.

Where drones actually save money is in operational costs, as the more autonomous they are, the less you have to actually fly them for training (which is what fighter jets spend the majority of their flight hours doing). Pilots are also expensive to train (especially if you factor in the operating cost of their training aircraft), so if they don’t have to meet the same survival and flight training standards you can spend less training them, plus the only real threat they’ll face is either a long range missile strike from a modern adversary, or getting into a car crash on the way to or from work.

If you have a high-end aircraft, whether that be a manned aircraft like an F-35, or some expensive unmanned sensor platform, you can also make its unmanned wingmen blind and dumb (and therefore cheap), with the wingmen launching weapons at coordinates set by the sensor / command platform. This is an approach being attempted with the XMQ-222 / XQ-58 Valkyrie being developed; where it’ll fly at up to Mach 0.85, be relatively stealthy, have a combat radius of around 1000nmi and carry something like 2x SDBs, but also only cost $2–3 million per drone because it carries next to no sensors.

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In all of my years as an /r/drama poster I’ve never actually tried hating anyone until now. I’ve gotta say it’s kinda fun.

Scenario 4:

We send in Antifa supersoldiers

They fly to the battlefield

They turn against the military because they hate imperialism

Communism wins

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Change that to the 1944 version right now or gulag.

The virgin A10 vs the chad F35

The bathtub only protects the pilot/cockpit, not the whole plane. And it's only resistant up to 23 mm, not the 30 mm that's come into widespread service since the A-10 debuted. This is why the A-10 does most of its CAS from medium altitudes, just like everyone else.

I gotta admit, I had to go through quite a bit of your comment history to figure out that you're a genuine idiot, and not just pretending. Or maybe you're playing the long con?

That’s a nice, but the engines and wings aren’t immune to S-300s/400s. Nor are they immune to R-77s.

The titanium bathtub can't stop frag from pretty much any SAM/AAM.

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Why must you remind us of what we lost?

I felt jilted af when I saw all the pinging before the axe fell.

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