I am all alone (poor me) in the White House waiting for the Democrats to come back and make a deal on desperately needed Border Security. At some point the Democrats not wanting to make a deal will cost our Country more money than the Border Wall we are all talking about. Crazy!
When Camila Coddou found out her former employer, who apparently co-owned a chain of coffee shops, had a politically charged YouTube channel called #MeNeither, the feminist felt compelled to expose her. And now she’s paying for it.
Coddou worked as an operations manager for Ristretto Roasters in Portland, Ore., from 2013 to 2018. She says the coffee company and cafe chain is co-owed by Nancy Rommelmann and her husband, Din Johnson.
Coddou discovered Rommelmann’s YouTube page on Jan. 7. The channel has three videos. They consist of discussions between Rommelmann, an author and journalist, and Leah McSweeney, also a journalist. Coddou was disturbed by the content. “To see your boss deny the experiences of sexual assault survivors in a public forum is pretty disheartening,” Coddou tells Yahoo Lifestyle.
“When these videos were shared with me by a current concerned employee, I knew it was my duty to inform the public about these videos,” Coddou says. She immediately shared them on her social media channels and alerted local media outlets. She said she had the support of 30 current and former Ristretto employees.
Two days later, on Jan. 9, she was dismissed from her new bookkeeping job because Ristretto is one of her employer’s clients, Coddou says. “After I saw Rommelmann’s YouTube channel and shared the public information on my personal social media profile, I received a call from the bookkeeper saying she could no longer bring me on,” Coddou explains. “She stated that what I had done in sharing the public YouTube channel was slander and that in the legal paperwork — which I hadn’t yet signed — there was a specific clause regarding slander against a current client of the business.” The bookkeeper did not respond to Yahoo Lifestyle’s request for comment.
While speaking out against Rommelmann’s YouTube channel has cost her, Coddou won’t back down.
“As a queer women of color who has worked in the largely cis-male-dominated field of specialty coffee for over a decade, I make it my personal responsibility as consumer to know who I am supporting when I visit a business,” she says. “My goal isn’t to negatively impact Ristretto or to lead a boycott, or to have dialogue with Rommelmann regarding her opinions. My goal is to give people information so that they can then make their own choices as to where they spend their money.”
She was originally shocked by the videos, in which the two women discuss “toxic femininity”; attack Harvey Weinstein’s accusers Asia Argento and Rose McGowan, calling them a “succubus” and “fame-eater” respectively; and defend Louis C.K.’s quick comeback. “For the most part I valued my professional relationship with Nancy when we did work together through the years,” she says. “I had some inkling about her political beliefs. I knew that there were fundamental differences in our belief systems, so I did my best not to engage in political discourse with her.”
However, Rommelmann denies that she was ever Coddou’s superior. In fact, she denies any official involvement in her husband’s company. “When the first RR opened in 2005, I was very involved: baked, cleaned and handled back-end stuff,” she tells Yahoo Lifestyle. “The company was seen as a mom-and-pop business, including, though we repeatedly corrected them, that was I was part-owner of the business. I was not, I never have been. … I would ALWAYS say, ‘This is Din’s business.’”
That wasn’t made clear to the employees, Coddou says. “Nancy was always presented to me as one of the owners of Ristretto Roasters, from the day I started to the day I left,” Coddou recalls. “Nancy made decisions ranging from what sorts of pastries the cafes would carry to when it was time to close down one of our locations.” She admits that she never saw any official paperwork identifying Rommelmann as a co-owner of Ristretto Roasters but adds that “to say that she was anything but extensively involved in running the business is untrue. All cafe staff deferred to her authority, and she and I had countless conversations regarding the running of Ristretto.” She points to an article that identified Rommelmann as a co-owner and a 2013 Instagram post of Rommelmann’s that shows her name on Ristretto Roasters’ liquor license.
“I do not work for Ristretto, the business my husband founded and owns,” Rommelmann insists. “The Oregonian found a state registry paper from 2005 that listed me as a manager … that’s been updated with the state,” she explains. “At some point way back when, we must have filed papers that required some sort of title; hence, I put manager. I’m not and never have been.”
For these reasons, Johnson feels it is unfair to hold Rommelmann’s political beliefs and YouTube videos against his business. In response to Coddou’s campaign, Johnson wrote a letter to staff saying, “Nancy is neither an owner nor employee of Ristretto. … Ristretto remains politically neutral. … Trying to involve us in a fight we are not in is unfair to our employees, and to the business.”
Coddou left Ristretto last year because of the company’s “pervasive culture of poor communication and lack of accountability.” She didn’t feel supported by her supposed “direct superiors,” Rommelmann and Johnson. Rommelmann said she thought Coddou was “increasingly unhappy” toward the end because she didn’t see Johnson as “aligned with her politics.”
Whatever her reason for leaving, Coddou was about to start her new job when this all happened. “During my time with Ristretto, I worked closely with our independently contracted bookkeeper. She and I had an excellent working relationship, so shortly after I left Ristretto she asked me if I would be interested in working for her,” Coddou recalls. “I said yes, and we of course both agreed I would deal with all her clients except Ristretto.” They met a few times to discuss onboarding and future plans for the business. “We had a few of these planning meetings, but I hadn’t signed any of the official legal documents pertaining to the work.”
Fast-forward to today, and she’s out of work for being a whistleblower. “Rather than hold Rommelmann accountable for her poor behavior, I am being reprimanded for bringing it to light,” she wrote on Instagram.
But she doesn’t regret her decision. “A lot of people are thanking me for coming forward and sharing this information more widely, but for me, it was just so clearly what had to be done. … I’m just so happy most people are falling on the right side of this thing.”
And while this could affect her husband’s business (Yahoo Lifestyle spoke to another former Ristretto employee who resigned last night because of this), Rommelmann also has no regrets. And she’s moving forward with her series. “The whole point of the YouTube channel is to get different voices and viewpoints in the room about uncomfortable subjects,” she says. “It is absolutely not the case that I think the #MeToo movement is for attention-seekers,” she insists. “If you don’t toe someone’s line, you are marked as an enemy to the cause. If you’re asking me if I believe all people should be treated equally and with dignity, my God, of course. May this will be the direction the movement is going.”
She does admit, however, that #MeNeither might not be the best name.
The funniest thing about it is that everyone involved is a foid. The fired foid, the foid who fired her, and the two foids who talked shit about #metoo on youtube.
The part that gets me are baristas are just about the furthest left job in the world. How big of an asshole do you have to be to consider that an oppressive conservative culture.
The part that gets me are baristas are just about the furthest left job in the world.
Im really curious why you think a barista is a far left job. Especially compared to stuff like union organizing or actually working in left wing politics.
Specialty coffee usually refers to the products of either high end roasters and distributors or place like Sweet Marias that sell green coffee beans right from the source. Its very much a real thing but its not what that lady seems to think it is.
Its also incredibly dominated by LGBTQ and other minority groups. I dont think Ive ever seen an instructional video on sites like Sweet Marias that has a straight white dude even in the background.
If youre not taking fair trade coffee picked by indigenous people in the traditional manner practiced by their tribe for thousands of years and home roasting it to a light roast you are a coffee pleeb of the worst kind.
Also sharing those videos isn't "slander" so if her new employer actually said that he's retarded.
I agree, but I can imagine the slander was Camilas commentary that she included alone with the links. There is no way that a gussy like her would have been able to help herself. Funny how what she actually said was left out of the article.
It's really hard to actually commit defamation in the US tho. She would have to make a statement of fact that she knew was untrue to hurt the person's reputation. Whatever hot take she most likely added as commentary (I'm imagining RACIST SEXIST ISLAMOPHOBIC DISGUSTING TRASH CHANNEL THIS IS WHAT'S RUINING AMERICA) or whatever, was almost certainly opinion which is protected.
Unless she said something like "I witnessed this woman committing child rape yesterday." it wasn't defamation.
I strongly suspect that the employment contract in question forbade "disparagement" (the typical wording) rather than "slander" and the person quoted just misremembered and used the wrong word.
Never underestimate a liberals willingness to argue that businesses should be able to fire people for their opinions...unless they agree with those opinions.
At least now she can really blend in around town, as a queer, minority woman that’s unemployed due to systematic discrimination and oppression. That’s a popular tale among the roving packs of homeless millennials that are indistinguishable from hipsters.
If she's not white then she's really gotta explain to me what the fuck she is, because she looks like a mayo and everything she writes is peak self-important femayo.
In 2012, when I traveled around India by myself for almost three months, I filled an entire journal in about 90 days, feverishly capturing all the wild things I would witness in one 24 hour period. And thats when the dedication to this practice was cemented. Following India I went to Japan for over a month, then I flew to California and took the train across the country back to New York. Once back in NYC I went through a break up, moved into a milk hut (read: 8 by 8 foot shed) in the Catskills and mucked horse stalls for 6 weeks, decided to move to Portland Oregon, and took an epic road trip across the country to get there with two friends.
Trump complains about the migrant caravans coming up from Guatemala but he won't let us act against the mayo caravans coming across the country to Portland. 😒
“My goal isn’t to negatively impact Ristretto or to lead a boycott, or to have dialogue with Rommelmann regarding her opinions. My goal is to give people information so that they can then make their own choices as to where they spend their money.”
Sure, just like revenge porn is just about helping people be better-informed about what other people look like naked.
the two women discuss “toxic femininity”; attack Harvey Weinstein’s accusers Asia Argento and Rose McGowan, calling them a “succubus” and “fame-eater” respectively
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1 SnapshillBot 2019-01-13
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1 bareballzthebitch 2019-01-13
Can you just post the article in this thread because I refuse to click on any yahoo links.
1 TheBaltimoron 2019-01-13
When Camila Coddou found out her former employer, who apparently co-owned a chain of coffee shops, had a politically charged YouTube channel called #MeNeither, the feminist felt compelled to expose her. And now she’s paying for it.
Coddou worked as an operations manager for Ristretto Roasters in Portland, Ore., from 2013 to 2018. She says the coffee company and cafe chain is co-owed by Nancy Rommelmann and her husband, Din Johnson.
Coddou discovered Rommelmann’s YouTube page on Jan. 7. The channel has three videos. They consist of discussions between Rommelmann, an author and journalist, and Leah McSweeney, also a journalist. Coddou was disturbed by the content. “To see your boss deny the experiences of sexual assault survivors in a public forum is pretty disheartening,” Coddou tells Yahoo Lifestyle.
“When these videos were shared with me by a current concerned employee, I knew it was my duty to inform the public about these videos,” Coddou says. She immediately shared them on her social media channels and alerted local media outlets. She said she had the support of 30 current and former Ristretto employees.
Two days later, on Jan. 9, she was dismissed from her new bookkeeping job because Ristretto is one of her employer’s clients, Coddou says. “After I saw Rommelmann’s YouTube channel and shared the public information on my personal social media profile, I received a call from the bookkeeper saying she could no longer bring me on,” Coddou explains. “She stated that what I had done in sharing the public YouTube channel was slander and that in the legal paperwork — which I hadn’t yet signed — there was a specific clause regarding slander against a current client of the business.” The bookkeeper did not respond to Yahoo Lifestyle’s request for comment.
While speaking out against Rommelmann’s YouTube channel has cost her, Coddou won’t back down.
“As a queer women of color who has worked in the largely cis-male-dominated field of specialty coffee for over a decade, I make it my personal responsibility as consumer to know who I am supporting when I visit a business,” she says. “My goal isn’t to negatively impact Ristretto or to lead a boycott, or to have dialogue with Rommelmann regarding her opinions. My goal is to give people information so that they can then make their own choices as to where they spend their money.”
She was originally shocked by the videos, in which the two women discuss “toxic femininity”; attack Harvey Weinstein’s accusers Asia Argento and Rose McGowan, calling them a “succubus” and “fame-eater” respectively; and defend Louis C.K.’s quick comeback. “For the most part I valued my professional relationship with Nancy when we did work together through the years,” she says. “I had some inkling about her political beliefs. I knew that there were fundamental differences in our belief systems, so I did my best not to engage in political discourse with her.”
However, Rommelmann denies that she was ever Coddou’s superior. In fact, she denies any official involvement in her husband’s company. “When the first RR opened in 2005, I was very involved: baked, cleaned and handled back-end stuff,” she tells Yahoo Lifestyle. “The company was seen as a mom-and-pop business, including, though we repeatedly corrected them, that was I was part-owner of the business. I was not, I never have been. … I would ALWAYS say, ‘This is Din’s business.’”
That wasn’t made clear to the employees, Coddou says. “Nancy was always presented to me as one of the owners of Ristretto Roasters, from the day I started to the day I left,” Coddou recalls. “Nancy made decisions ranging from what sorts of pastries the cafes would carry to when it was time to close down one of our locations.” She admits that she never saw any official paperwork identifying Rommelmann as a co-owner of Ristretto Roasters but adds that “to say that she was anything but extensively involved in running the business is untrue. All cafe staff deferred to her authority, and she and I had countless conversations regarding the running of Ristretto.” She points to an article that identified Rommelmann as a co-owner and a 2013 Instagram post of Rommelmann’s that shows her name on Ristretto Roasters’ liquor license.
“I do not work for Ristretto, the business my husband founded and owns,” Rommelmann insists. “The Oregonian found a state registry paper from 2005 that listed me as a manager … that’s been updated with the state,” she explains. “At some point way back when, we must have filed papers that required some sort of title; hence, I put manager. I’m not and never have been.”
For these reasons, Johnson feels it is unfair to hold Rommelmann’s political beliefs and YouTube videos against his business. In response to Coddou’s campaign, Johnson wrote a letter to staff saying, “Nancy is neither an owner nor employee of Ristretto. … Ristretto remains politically neutral. … Trying to involve us in a fight we are not in is unfair to our employees, and to the business.”
Coddou left Ristretto last year because of the company’s “pervasive culture of poor communication and lack of accountability.” She didn’t feel supported by her supposed “direct superiors,” Rommelmann and Johnson. Rommelmann said she thought Coddou was “increasingly unhappy” toward the end because she didn’t see Johnson as “aligned with her politics.”
Whatever her reason for leaving, Coddou was about to start her new job when this all happened. “During my time with Ristretto, I worked closely with our independently contracted bookkeeper. She and I had an excellent working relationship, so shortly after I left Ristretto she asked me if I would be interested in working for her,” Coddou recalls. “I said yes, and we of course both agreed I would deal with all her clients except Ristretto.” They met a few times to discuss onboarding and future plans for the business. “We had a few of these planning meetings, but I hadn’t signed any of the official legal documents pertaining to the work.”
Fast-forward to today, and she’s out of work for being a whistleblower. “Rather than hold Rommelmann accountable for her poor behavior, I am being reprimanded for bringing it to light,” she wrote on Instagram.
But she doesn’t regret her decision. “A lot of people are thanking me for coming forward and sharing this information more widely, but for me, it was just so clearly what had to be done. … I’m just so happy most people are falling on the right side of this thing.”
And while this could affect her husband’s business (Yahoo Lifestyle spoke to another former Ristretto employee who resigned last night because of this), Rommelmann also has no regrets. And she’s moving forward with her series. “The whole point of the YouTube channel is to get different voices and viewpoints in the room about uncomfortable subjects,” she says. “It is absolutely not the case that I think the #MeToo movement is for attention-seekers,” she insists. “If you don’t toe someone’s line, you are marked as an enemy to the cause. If you’re asking me if I believe all people should be treated equally and with dignity, my God, of course. May this will be the direction the movement is going.”
She does admit, however, that #MeNeither might not be the best name.
1 darkinard 2019-01-13
Thanks but now I don't feel like reading it.
1 Matthew94 2019-01-13
Same. Where is longpostbot?
1 White_Dudeness 2019-01-13
The funniest thing about it is that everyone involved is a foid. The fired foid, the foid who fired her, and the two foids who talked shit about #metoo on youtube.
Patriarchy is a slow and insidious killer!
1 Gil-Gandel 2019-01-13
Who's the bigger foid, the foid or the foid who fires her?
1 Kiru-Kokujin29 2019-01-13
use the snappy links
1 TheBaltimoron 2019-01-13
Good lord...
1 jewdanksdad 2019-01-13
Gussy 2019, everyone
1 ShamesMainName 2019-01-13
That's crazy because that's literally where I stopped reading
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2019-01-13
That's the real reason why not to hire certain people.
1 MagicHoudini 2019-01-13
The boss was also spot on regarding Asia Argento and Rose McGowan.
Mod that woman!
1 imajustgo 2019-01-13
Obviously the problem here is the typo, right?
1 Madcuntfuckface 2019-01-13
Imagine thinking making a cup of fucking coffee is a "specialty".
1 TheBaltimoron 2019-01-13
The part that gets me are baristas are just about the furthest left job in the world. How big of an asshole do you have to be to consider that an oppressive conservative culture.
1 ALoudMouthBaby 2019-01-13
Im really curious why you think a barista is a far left job. Especially compared to stuff like union organizing or actually working in left wing politics.
1 AlieNNeytioN 2019-01-13
Just because it's generally low effort and you get to be in a hipster faggot environment at the same time.
1 Redactor0 2019-01-13
Yeah, 92% of Portland baristas are actually klan members. I know because I read about it on Mother Jones.
1 aX10mAt1CaL1Y 2019-01-13
As much as the average foid
1 SideFumbling 2019-01-13
And I reckon she's big in the literal sense as well.
1 Chicup 2019-01-13
Well you need a job that pays little, has no status, takes very little skill and is common in urban areas, plus sounds cooler than "waiter".
And that is how you get the most left wing job in the world.
1 ALoudMouthBaby 2019-01-13
Specialty coffee usually refers to the products of either high end roasters and distributors or place like Sweet Marias that sell green coffee beans right from the source. Its very much a real thing but its not what that lady seems to think it is.
Its also incredibly dominated by LGBTQ and other minority groups. I dont think Ive ever seen an instructional video on sites like Sweet Marias that has a straight white dude even in the background.
1 TreLoon 2019-01-13
Right? Who hears "speciality coffee beans" and thinks "cis white maylo"
1 ALoudMouthBaby 2019-01-13
Probably the same people that complain about the fashion industry being dominated by straight, cis-gender white men.
1 Madcuntfuckface 2019-01-13
Well laaaa-di-da. Here I am thinking me international roast tin, that I have black no sugar, was fancy. Guess I'll take my heathen arse out the door.
But good info though, TIL.
1 ALoudMouthBaby 2019-01-13
If youre not taking fair trade coffee picked by indigenous people in the traditional manner practiced by their tribe for thousands of years and home roasting it to a light roast you are a coffee pleeb of the worst kind.
1 charming_tatum 2019-01-13
If you drink a light roast you should add a little piss to it. You'll like it better and it will remind you of your father
1 Denny_Craine 2019-01-13
She's clearly lying, everyone knows there are no non-white people in Portland
1 CulturalYogurt 2019-01-13
Flowchart on smashing the patriarchy
1 TreLoon 2019-01-13
Nice meme gramps
1 CulturalYogurt 2019-01-13
Sorry for not making high effort comments in /r/drama
1 CulturalYogurt 2019-01-13
I'm sure that's what you're upset about
1 TreLoon 2019-01-13
Ew, gussy is haram.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2019-01-13
This is the worst forced meme from 2018. Yuck! 🤢🤢🤮🤮
1 CulturalYogurt 2019-01-13
Oh hey it's the guy with the hot and fresh 😪😪😪 meme
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2019-01-13
I'm not blaming *you* or your take on this meme. I'm just saying this template fucking sucks
1 Denny_Craine 2019-01-13
That's...not a flow chart. There aren't even any arrows. That's just an autistic picture with words on it
1 CulturalYogurt 2019-01-13
No shit?
1 dramasexual 2019-01-13
Man those caps from the channel or show or whatever are showing some GRADE A crazy eyes.
Also sharing those videos isn't "slander" so if her new employer actually said that he's retarded.
1 Merkin-Muffley 2019-01-13
I agree, but I can imagine the slander was Camilas commentary that she included alone with the links. There is no way that a gussy like her would have been able to help herself. Funny how what she actually said was left out of the article.
1 dramasexual 2019-01-13
It's really hard to actually commit defamation in the US tho. She would have to make a statement of fact that she knew was untrue to hurt the person's reputation. Whatever hot take she most likely added as commentary (I'm imagining RACIST SEXIST ISLAMOPHOBIC DISGUSTING TRASH CHANNEL THIS IS WHAT'S RUINING AMERICA) or whatever, was almost certainly opinion which is protected.
Unless she said something like "I witnessed this woman committing child rape yesterday." it wasn't defamation.
1 IllustriousQuail 2019-01-13
I strongly suspect that the employment contract in question forbade "disparagement" (the typical wording) rather than "slander" and the person quoted just misremembered and used the wrong word.
1 dramasexual 2019-01-13
Yeah, see that makes sense.
1 NoChickswithDicks 2019-01-13
Never underestimate a liberals willingness to argue that businesses should be able to fire people for their opinions...unless they agree with those opinions.
1 freet0 2019-01-13
I'm sure she said some shit like "look at my evil nazi former boss who hates women and wants to lynch black people" when she posted it lol
1 Denny_Craine 2019-01-13
(Especially since it would be libel since its in text form instead of spoken)
1 dramasexual 2019-01-13
Yeah that's why I switched to "defamation" in my follow-up lyl.
1 Sc0ttyDoesntKn0w 2019-01-13
35 and younger were a mistake.
😃🔫
1 Nebor 2019-01-13
This delusional gussy’s blog and this entire story is peak Portland.
At least now she can really blend in around town, as a queer, minority woman that’s unemployed due to systematic discrimination and oppression. That’s a popular tale among the roving packs of homeless millennials that are indistinguishable from hipsters.
1 Redactor0 2019-01-13
If she's not white then she's really gotta explain to me what the fuck she is, because she looks like a mayo and everything she writes is peak self-important femayo.
1 yeliwofthecorn 2019-01-13
Literally never read anything more mayo.
1 Redactor0 2019-01-13
Trump complains about the migrant caravans coming up from Guatemala but he won't let us act against the mayo caravans coming across the country to Portland. 😒
1 yeliwofthecorn 2019-01-13
Honestly if she's really not white someone gotta talk to her about cultural appropriation
1 Denny_Craine 2019-01-13
People still have blogs?
1 mtg_liebestod 2019-01-13
Sure, just like revenge porn is just about helping people be better-informed about what other people look like naked.
1 double-happiness 2019-01-13
http://i.imgur.com/KQXMIZG.jpg
1 Denny_Craine 2019-01-13
She worked for a coffee company in Portland for 5 years. That's the least surprising thing I'm likely to read all day