Rather, we ought to sympathize more, that is equally, with similarly policed, incarcerated, not to mention evicted, Black girls and women. They deserve our moral attention and concern just as much as Black boys and men (truly, undoubtedly) do.
I am not convinced that people sometimes sympathize more with men being accused of a sexual crime because they are men, and not because they think these men are being falsely accused and would feel the same empathy if a women was the accused
No, not all men, just the right ones. The privilege she's talking about isn't racial, but financial.
Also even among the rich, white women still get away with worst shit than men. Just looked at how Martin Shkreli went to jail, but Elizabeth Holmes didn't for the same shit.
Just looked at how Martin Shkreli went to jail, but Elizabeth Holmes didn't for the same shit.
Just fyi, the criminal trial against Holmes isn't done. That's the reason why she is still out there. And if she is found guilty, then she is facing 20 years in prison. But it will take some time, since the prosecution has to go through 17 million pages of documents.
She'll cry, people are going to be moved by her emotions and give her 3 months in the prison resort where Martha Stewart went and a book deal when she gets out.
Idk how people could have any sympathy for her after watching her body language, bitch has those great white shark serial killer looking-ass eyes. If you told me she was getting locked up for murdering 30 infants Iâd believe it in a second.
Honestly from where I'm sitting Holmes seem far worse than Shkreli
Shkreli got caught in misleading investors into thinking his shit was less high risk than it actually was and ponzi schemes, which honestly happens so frequently half of investing bureaus should be in jail if the authorities decided to prosecute every single case
Holmes fooled people to invest in a product that didn't exist at all, she sold fake products to the state and knew her product would never worked.
So if you consider both Shkreli and Holmes service providers, Shkreli misled people who used his service, but it was still a service, he even proved in several cases that his investors made profits from it. But Holmes didn't have a product, she sold magic beans to clueless state officials
And yet Holmes will be given the same sentence or perhaps even less. Most likely because Shkreli's parents were janitors while the father of Holmes was the VP of Enron.
And yet Holmes will be given the same sentence or perhaps even less.
I don't know. We will see. Shkreli faced a maximum amount of 15 years as far as I know. Holmes has 11 charges against her and every single one of them is worth 20 years.
And she's not the only one charged. The COO of the company, Ramesh Balwani, is also charged. Would be funny if he gets more.
The day these idiots start addressing the highest factor of inequality - wealth - is the day I let out a sigh of relief and have hope for humanity again.
That's not the point of the exercise though; it's not really an issue of myopia
"Look how much I, a mayo, can shit on mayos" and other such nonsense isn't a misplaced attempt to help the fuzzy-wuzzies. Instead, it's intended to show off how high-status the speaker is -- i.e. "look, I'm so well off that I can afford to deal with everyone else routinely shitting on me because of my innate characteristics, and still live comfortably." The best analogy might be "going to a bar that costs ten times as much as it should, just because that'll keep the poors out" or something like that
It's hard to do that with "wealth inequality," ironically because none of these Ignatius J. Reilly-types actually have money, and it's hard to try to put yourself at the top of the totem pole with an earnest request to "plz gib." By the same token, you're not going to get a worker's movement out of it since none of them actually seem to do any work
(We could try to make it a similar status game among the actual wealth holders -- e.g. somebody like Warren Buffett could come out with "look how much I can pay in taxes and not care" -- but they don't really seem to give a shit)
Like wtf am I seriously being expected to believe that people would sympathize more with a poor irish guy being accused of rape than with a blonde rich young women?
Here's the thing. You said a "Ephebophile is a Pedophile." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a Ephebophile, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls Ephebophiles Pedophiles. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "Pedophile Family" you're referring to the fetish of Pedophaila, which includes things from Pedophiles to Ephebophiles to Hebephilies. So your reasoning for calling a Ephebophile a Pedophile is because random people "call the ones who like kids Pedophiles?" Let's get Lolicons and Shotacons in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a BDSM Lover or an Fetisher? It's not one or the other, that's not how fetishes work. They're both. A Ephebophile is a Ephebophile and a member of the Pedophile family. But that's not what you said. You said a Ephebophile is a Pedophile, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the Pedophile family Pedophiles, which means you'd call Hebephiles, Lolicons, and other Fetishers Pedophiles, too. Which you said you don't.
Yeah that's the trouble with them - throw out some common sense that goes against pop culture's obsession with women and then hit 'em with that all carnivore diet for that one two punch.
Realizing that these people haven't darwined themselves out and, probably, make more money than you, while crying how they are oppressed, will get anyone mad, though.
Consider it a cultural shock, I am not an american and shit like that was considered a justification for one-way trip to the looney house not so long ago.
yeah itâs pretty fucking stupid to make that idea a headlining concept
there are certainly prominent cases where men get more sympathy for not being women, but theyâre specific to certain social contexts
the rest of the time men are savage animals youâre not supposed to feel sorry for
i mean maybe she goes into that in the book, but fuck that, i ainât reading no book just to defend a poorly thought-out, easily corruptable choice of thesis
Maybe men deserve to be shit on until they stop raping and murdering women dumbass. Do you think you could control yourself enough to do that? No? Okay then. Shut up.
How many times do you have to twist your brain around post-irony to seriously consider the idea that humans are more empathetic to men? Is it the root cause for why we let men get on the boats first in the titanic or why men are usually the people we ask to get out of hostage situations first?
Male body is aesthetically better than female body. All this fantasizing and projecting of women as extraordinarily beautiful is horse shit, bitches look shit without tubs of make up.
It is only a man whose intellect is clouded by his sexual impulse that could give the name of the fair sex to that under-sized, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped, and short-legged race; for the whole beauty of the sex is bound up with this impulse. Instead of calling them beautiful there would be more warrant for describing women as the unaesthetic sex.
Seems like the sex robots would change this, if its the case
Interesting, in the link above, women also like women better
The phrase was coined by Alice Eagly and Antonio Mladinic in 1994 after finding that both male and female participants tend to assign positive traits to women, with female participants showing a far more pronounced bias. Positive traits were assigned to men by participants of both genders, but to a lesser degree.
I almost always feel sorry for women who are homeless. The amount of shit that has to have gone wrong for a foid that nobody will take her in is horrifying to contemplate. A dude on the other hand...
If you read up a bit, the regions of the brain are pretty well mapped out these days. It's in the lower limbic system.
Reaching it can be a bit tricky but easily doable. Shortest path is through the eye.
Also knowing when you hit the right spot is also easy. Watch your favorite porn, then entire an ice-pick or something like it into your lower brain through your left eye. Then start stabbing or probing until you feel your erection going.
Takes a bit of courage but after the last foid turned me down, this was pretty obvious for me.
Another reason to believe it is the ways in which Black boys and men are often centered in white liberals' discussions of systemic racism, to the relative exclusion/erasure of Black girls and women
Feminists mention how you can be blinded by your privledge and that can lead to situations where you can't see the hardships others might experience that you don't. This lady took that to the extreme.
Are you denying that there is no data collecting or mathematical modeling inherent in philosophy like there is in even the soft science of psychology ?
I'm don't think you understand how philosophy works. Most philosophical problems can only be solved through deductive reasoning. Let's take one of the simplest philosophical problems, the trolley problem which of two choices is ethical. How do you propose to solve it with data collection?
Whatever this person is saying doesn't have much to do with philosophy even if she is a "philosopher". She seems to be making some (badly supported) sociological arguments. Now sociology is a field that tends to produce a lot of questionable work, especially since they make empirical arguments without good evidence. Like where is she going with the Brock Turner case? That the legal system shows more sympathy to men? That argument only works if you literally use one data point.
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1 SnapshillBot 2019-02-14
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1 MikeStoklasaAlcohol 2019-02-14
Wow that's really hurtful why would you say something like that I'm trying my best đ˘đ˘
1 Lokamayadon 2019-02-14
She probably means mayo men but has to let the informed reader read between the lines because of the anti-mayocide censorship.
The only problem is that she is enabling mayo women, but nobody's perfect.
1 Do_a_pushup 2019-02-14
She used black men as one of her examples
https://twitter.com/kate_manne/status/1095748158804639744
1 Lokamayadon 2019-02-14
The perfidious female mayo. đĄ
1 TheMauveHand 2019-02-14
"How can I make an issue that doesn't involve me more about me..."
1 9SidedPolygon 2019-02-14
But... black girls and women aren't similarly policed, incarcerated, and evicted.
1 911roofer 2019-02-14
SHHhhh. Don't mansplain.
1 RobbiinTheHood 2019-02-14
I am not convinced that people sometimes sympathize more with men being accused of a sexual crime because they are men, and not because they think these men are being falsely accused and would feel the same empathy if a women was the accused
1 Megazor 2019-02-14
No, not all men, just the right ones. The privilege she's talking about isn't racial, but financial.
Also even among the rich, white women still get away with worst shit than men. Just looked at how Martin Shkreli went to jail, but Elizabeth Holmes didn't for the same shit.
1 Lokamayadon 2019-02-14
This is the true problem, greed is only an unavoidable consequence of wealth for mayos.
That's why we need socialism for the mayocide, and then liberterianism will be possible.
1 Think_Once 2019-02-14
Just fyi, the criminal trial against Holmes isn't done. That's the reason why she is still out there. And if she is found guilty, then she is facing 20 years in prison. But it will take some time, since the prosecution has to go through 17 million pages of documents.
https://www.law360.com/lifesciences/articles/1116482/theranos-execs-days-of-reckoning-draw-nearer
1 Megazor 2019-02-14
She'll cry, people are going to be moved by her emotions and give her 3 months in the prison resort where Martha Stewart went and a book deal when she gets out.
1 Think_Once 2019-02-14
FTFY.
1 TheMauveHand 2019-02-14
Nah. Suspended sentence. Calling it now.
1 ffbtaw 2019-02-14
At least she'll finally stop using that ridiculous voice.
1 THECHEF47 2019-02-14
Idk how people could have any sympathy for her after watching her body language, bitch has those great white shark serial killer looking-ass eyes. If you told me she was getting locked up for murdering 30 infants Iâd believe it in a second.
1 SNCommand 2019-02-14
Honestly from where I'm sitting Holmes seem far worse than Shkreli
Shkreli got caught in misleading investors into thinking his shit was less high risk than it actually was and ponzi schemes, which honestly happens so frequently half of investing bureaus should be in jail if the authorities decided to prosecute every single case
Holmes fooled people to invest in a product that didn't exist at all, she sold fake products to the state and knew her product would never worked.
So if you consider both Shkreli and Holmes service providers, Shkreli misled people who used his service, but it was still a service, he even proved in several cases that his investors made profits from it. But Holmes didn't have a product, she sold magic beans to clueless state officials
And yet Holmes will be given the same sentence or perhaps even less. Most likely because Shkreli's parents were janitors while the father of Holmes was the VP of Enron.
1 Think_Once 2019-02-14
I don't know. We will see. Shkreli faced a maximum amount of 15 years as far as I know. Holmes has 11 charges against her and every single one of them is worth 20 years.
And she's not the only one charged. The COO of the company, Ramesh Balwani, is also charged. Would be funny if he gets more.
1 CCAlkie 2019-02-14
The day these idiots start addressing the highest factor of inequality - wealth - is the day I let out a sigh of relief and have hope for humanity again.
1 Fucking_That_Chicken 2019-02-14
That's not the point of the exercise though; it's not really an issue of myopia
"Look how much I, a mayo, can shit on mayos" and other such nonsense isn't a misplaced attempt to help the fuzzy-wuzzies. Instead, it's intended to show off how high-status the speaker is -- i.e. "look, I'm so well off that I can afford to deal with everyone else routinely shitting on me because of my innate characteristics, and still live comfortably." The best analogy might be "going to a bar that costs ten times as much as it should, just because that'll keep the poors out" or something like that
It's hard to do that with "wealth inequality," ironically because none of these Ignatius J. Reilly-types actually have money, and it's hard to try to put yourself at the top of the totem pole with an earnest request to "plz gib." By the same token, you're not going to get a worker's movement out of it since none of them actually seem to do any work
(We could try to make it a similar status game among the actual wealth holders -- e.g. somebody like Warren Buffett could come out with "look how much I can pay in taxes and not care" -- but they don't really seem to give a shit)
1 RobbiinTheHood 2019-02-14
Like wtf am I seriously being expected to believe that people would sympathize more with a poor irish guy being accused of rape than with a blonde rich young women?
In what world?
Is she looking only at MRAs or what?
1 ironicshitpostr 2019-02-14
(((mayo)))
1 MikeStoklasaBackup 2019-02-14
Here's the thing. You said a "Ephebophile is a Pedophile." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a Ephebophile, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls Ephebophiles Pedophiles. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "Pedophile Family" you're referring to the fetish of Pedophaila, which includes things from Pedophiles to Ephebophiles to Hebephilies. So your reasoning for calling a Ephebophile a Pedophile is because random people "call the ones who like kids Pedophiles?" Let's get Lolicons and Shotacons in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a BDSM Lover or an Fetisher? It's not one or the other, that's not how fetishes work. They're both. A Ephebophile is a Ephebophile and a member of the Pedophile family. But that's not what you said. You said a Ephebophile is a Pedophile, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the Pedophile family Pedophiles, which means you'd call Hebephiles, Lolicons, and other Fetishers Pedophiles, too. Which you said you don't.
1 Megazor 2019-02-14
Not to Seriouspost, but lobsters are right on this one.
Just the sentencing gap alone throws her book in the Flat Earth isle of the library.
1 stereomono1 2019-02-14
It's the famous men are wonderful effect
1 ottawabrandonwright 2019-02-14
I love the passive aggressive feminism in that article
1 GARBAGE_MACHINE 2019-02-14
Citations are sexist.
1 saint2e 2019-02-14
Believe women wiki editors.
1 CCAlkie 2019-02-14
Yeah that's the trouble with them - throw out some common sense that goes against pop culture's obsession with women and then hit 'em with that all carnivore diet for that one two punch.
1 wont-take-it 2019-02-14
By sentencing gap do you mean the tendency for women to complete full sentences while most men cannot compl
1 cleverseneca 2019-02-14
Take your upvote and g
1 RandolphCox 2019-02-14
Not to Seriouspost, but
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1 pepperouchau 2019-02-14
It's over as soon as you get Mad Online, even if you're right
1 Alpha100f 2019-02-14
Realizing that these people haven't darwined themselves out and, probably, make more money than you, while crying how they are oppressed, will get anyone mad, though.
1 pepperouchau 2019-02-14
mad
1 Alpha100f 2019-02-14
Consider it a cultural shock, I am not an american and shit like that was considered a justification for one-way trip to the looney house not so long ago.
1 grungebot5000 2019-02-14
yeah itâs pretty fucking stupid to make that idea a headlining concept
there are certainly prominent cases where men get more sympathy for not being women, but theyâre specific to certain social contexts
the rest of the time men are savage animals youâre not supposed to feel sorry for
i mean maybe she goes into that in the book, but fuck that, i ainât reading no book just to defend a poorly thought-out, easily corruptable choice of thesis
1 aWYgdSByZWFkIHUgZ2F5 2019-02-14
Maybe men deserve to be shit on until they stop raping and murdering women dumbass. Do you think you could control yourself enough to do that? No? Okay then. Shut up.
1 a_sniper_is_a_person 2019-02-14
"Fempathy" is both more real and a much better portmanteau
1 aqouta 2019-02-14
How many times do you have to twist your brain around post-irony to seriously consider the idea that humans are more empathetic to men? Is it the root cause for why we let men get on the boats first in the titanic or why men are usually the people we ask to get out of hostage situations first?
1 SNCommand 2019-02-14
Even caught myself in having more sympathy towards women than other men, it's fucking hard wired into us
1 Think_Once 2019-02-14
Other men are competition.
1 SNCommand 2019-02-14
Other men are also aesthetically displeasing
1 woetotheconquered 2019-02-14
You're hanging around the wrong men.
1 SNCommand 2019-02-14
Sounds gay
1 woetotheconquered 2019-02-14
Only if your the bottom.
1 vtesterlwg 2019-02-14
sure jan
1 ironicshitpostr 2019-02-14
Ah, the wisdom of the Romans. As true as it was 2000 years ago.
1 Do_a_pushup 2019-02-14
Male body is aesthetically better than female body. All this fantasizing and projecting of women as extraordinarily beautiful is horse shit, bitches look shit without tubs of make up.
1 SNCommand 2019-02-14
If your statement was true, all men would have to do is cake on with the make up, a woman is as an object much more than just a face
1 c_u_in_da_ballpit 2019-02-14
Based take.
1 ConfuseTheJews 2019-02-14
Seems like the sex robots would change this, if its the case
Interesting, in the link above, women also like women better
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-02-14
I almost always feel sorry for women who are homeless. The amount of shit that has to have gone wrong for a foid that nobody will take her in is horrifying to contemplate. A dude on the other hand...
1 tschwib 2019-02-14
If you read up a bit, the regions of the brain are pretty well mapped out these days. It's in the lower limbic system.
Reaching it can be a bit tricky but easily doable. Shortest path is through the eye.
Also knowing when you hit the right spot is also easy. Watch your favorite porn, then entire an ice-pick or something like it into your lower brain through your left eye. Then start stabbing or probing until you feel your erection going.
Takes a bit of courage but after the last foid turned me down, this was pretty obvious for me.
I did it 3 years ago and I could not be happier.
1 SNCommand 2019-02-14
Sounds gay
1 Think_Once 2019-02-14
Only one time. Because as soon as you see that you can write a book about it and make money off it, it's a go.
1 grungebot5000 2019-02-14
theyâre more empathetic to men if the subject is cheating, slander, or regret
thatâs about it though
1 RollBread 2019-02-14
The opposite is true and it is a good thing.
1 dingdong_bannu 2019-02-14
Sympathy towards any human being needs to stop by 2020.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-02-14
The absolute state of femoids
1 spookyguy109 2019-02-14
How do these retards get hired by philosophy departments?
1 RobbiinTheHood 2019-02-14
Worst part is that Martha Nussbaum praised the book.
Everyone was talking so much good shit about it, it was really disappointing. Even her criticism of a retard like Peterson was meh
The himpathy shit is what you would see retards in CB talk about, not in a proper analytical philosophy book. Is just seems bad analysis
1 spookyguy109 2019-02-14
Analytic philosophy has nothing to do with stupid ass feminist shit. Wittgenstein, Quine, Russell, etc. are turning in their graves.
1 RobbiinTheHood 2019-02-14
There has been great feminist analytical philosophy though
1 spookyguy109 2019-02-14
Whomst? Most analytic philosophers eschew that kind of stuff, at least in their published works.
1 Patsy02 2019-02-14
lmao
1 911roofer 2019-02-14
r/drama mocked me for saying modern philosiphy was a waste of time, but now they see the truth.
1 spookyguy109 2019-02-14
Philosophy is pretty meh tier nowadays, there was much cooler stuff in the 20th century
1 Gil-Gandel 2019-02-14
One of these "World's Shortest Books" jokes here I guess.
1 Awayfone 2019-02-14
Woke author: we really treat black men too good
1 knigpin 2019-02-14
Isnât this that whataboutism thing they like to talk about
1 GreasyPeter 2019-02-14
Feminists mention how you can be blinded by your privledge and that can lead to situations where you can't see the hardships others might experience that you don't. This lady took that to the extreme.
1 d-amazo 2019-02-14
um excuse me sweaty but white american and british women are the most oppressed minority in the world
1 MrGigantic 2019-02-14
Black is white, up is down.
1 kids_cannot_consent 2019-02-14
Thanks for getting that Weird Al song stuck in my head.
1 double-happiness 2019-02-14
Talk about resting bitch face https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/651460023780925440/UyXjyB7b_400x400.jpg
1 911roofer 2019-02-14
She looks like a tranny.
1 cleverseneca 2019-02-14
Looked this up. She's a philosopher (aka I ain't gotta prove shit) for philosophers facts and reality are just details that get in the way.
1 grungebot5000 2019-02-14
out of all the problems with modern philosophy, yours is that they donât âprove shitâ?
thatâs like all they try to do, though
1 cleverseneca 2019-02-14
Yup, that's it. That's my only problem with philosophy and my post totally stopped at that parentheses.
1 grungebot5000 2019-02-14
The rest of your sentence is just a vaguer version of the parentheses, though
1 cleverseneca 2019-02-14
Are you denying that there is no data collecting or mathematical modeling inherent in philosophy like there is in even the soft science of psychology ?
1 grungebot5000 2019-02-14
Not unless itâs necessary for whatever theyâre trying to argue. When it is, they generally rely on the mathematical findings of others.
1 Santropez13 2019-02-14
I'm don't think you understand how philosophy works. Most philosophical problems can only be solved through deductive reasoning. Let's take one of the simplest philosophical problems, the trolley problem which of two choices is ethical. How do you propose to solve it with data collection?
1 Patsy02 2019-02-14
Quantiative empiricism using chapos.
1 Santropez13 2019-02-14
Kant would agree it's always morally right to run over chapo user
1 cleverseneca 2019-02-14
I do understand how Philosophy works.... how does the trolley problem's gray vagaries help someone determine that people empathize with men too much?
1 Santropez13 2019-02-14
Whatever this person is saying doesn't have much to do with philosophy even if she is a "philosopher". She seems to be making some (badly supported) sociological arguments. Now sociology is a field that tends to produce a lot of questionable work, especially since they make empirical arguments without good evidence. Like where is she going with the Brock Turner case? That the legal system shows more sympathy to men? That argument only works if you literally use one data point.
1 saint2e 2019-02-14
Well, to be fair, 1 in 4 homeless people are women, after all.
1 Alpha100f 2019-02-14
Let me throw a wild guess and say that she might be also a Jew. We're hitting levels of chutzpah never seen before.
1 RidingMyKeyboard 2019-02-14
She sounds like the type to give you HERpes.