There's an alternate reality where political correctness is still the domain of fundamentalist Christians, and The Verge is questioning why anyone would allow Satanic imagery in their game so "pointlessly".
None technically, the base game is decent and works fine. But the DLC does add a LOT of stuff and I personally can’t imagine playing without it.
The Royal Collection on Steam is only gameplay expansions. It’s $200 rn but I think it was $100 during the most recent sale? If you wanna cut the costs you can skip the India one (unless if you like India a lot) and you definitely don’t need the Aztec invasion one
Let's you violently repress political radicals and racial minorities while building the chaddest empire in the world, or alternatively build a centrist utopia in the Americas for all the people to stream to.
One interesting strategy, for example, is to direct immigration (should you be recieve enough) to areas with rebellious cultures. The immigrants will slowly outnumber the natives and then assimilate to your proper culture destroying the native homeland.
HoI4 is literally the worst game they've published. Maybe it's improved since launch but it was literally a game that broke if you tried to go down non-historical routes or you completed objectives outside of the correct order.
I actually like Victoria II without expansions better than with it; too easy to get a Casus Belli.
I didn't play original HoI3.
I'm used to Paradox games being broken on launch, but they usually had good gameplay. EU4 was easy to break on launch and the gameplay could get stale as you learned to abuse it, but you could get a lot of playtime before that point.
Hoi4 literally just felt like you couldn't do anything. Everything took forever to do and the system was built around events happening in a certain order.
The appeal of Victoria II is that you felt pressure to follow history because there was a natural pressure to do certain things. So you do the sensible thing in your first runs and go where the tides take you, just trying to be stronger and better than the real nations. But you have the freedom to do a lot of alternate-history stuff.
If alternate-history is too hard, or the game too rigid and predictable, then the appeal goes away. It should simulate would could have happened, to a ridiculous degree. And WWII in particular has a lot of "what would have happened if...?" moments.
I think the fact that we had a civil war, and 50% of american voters voted in an open white nationalist, and (insert all the structural racism in the USA, wealth inequality, countless instances of direct racial bias and bigotry, etc), the idea that a confederate american state could rise and participate in global affairs isn’t far fetched for an alternate history game that wants real ideological / economic threads to inform the events in the game.
the problematic part is not the inclusion of a revived, politically significant, openly racist and fascist (sorry to anyone who don’t know this, but the rise of so-called "populism" you see on the right is a rise of fascism, read a book) confederacy in WW2, but rather the prospect of individual players identifying with the confederacy and what such play indicates and consists in. is it okay to role play as lynching thugs?
it’s a deep question, honestly. contextualized properly, one can do interesting things with it. other art forms employ genuine antiheroes (like tony soprano, who is, simply, a psychopath) and do good things (criticize capitalism, and the emotional/intellectual dissociation involved with immoral behavior both localized and structural/systemic). what does "I’M the character" do to change it? in a book, we’re often in the person’s mind. their thoughts replace ours in a focused narrative. is that alright? will i become a psychopath if i read such media?
i don’t know. i think it merits discussion, but the statement the guy made sounds fine to me. are they cashing in on the rise of the alt-right and open white supremacy in america? i don’t know. do we want to allow role playing games and alternate reality media? that one, i’m pretty comfortable with yes. we need to do deeper, broader, better things to eliminate white supremacists than make sure they can’t role play as the confederacy joining WW2.
Over the years Polygon has pretty much driven away all of their audience that isn't comprised of complete and utter woketards. It's like Resetera in that way.
From what I have gathered, polygon journalists only spend as much time reviewing the game as it takes to find everything P R O B L E M A T I C and not bother actually playing it
Personally, I’m not sure what to think about this. Germany and Japan participated in WWII. The CSA didn’t, and while fans have been modding them into the game on their own for years, the official inclusion is deeply unsettling
Literally against it because she feels icky about it
This is going to make me look gay because im expressing knowledge about a videogayme but the author doesnt even acknowledge that this is the second time paradox has had the CSA in WW2.
In a daring bit of counterfactual history, Paradox will allow players to revive the Confederate States of America, commonly known as the Confederacy, and lead them into war against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.
Seems pretty likely that they will put that easter egg in. But then they'd probably make getting it extremely difficult like the kaiserfu HRE resurrection.
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1 SnapshillBot 2019-02-14
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1 Lokamayadon 2019-02-14
Nothing as realistic as Paradox Games.
Also my CKII ruler is a horse and the son of Satan. 😉
1 Van-Diemen 2019-02-14
Don't you just love reforming the Roman Empire as Mussolini and kicking Hitler into the North Sea?
1 TheCodexx 2019-02-14
There's an alternate reality where political correctness is still the domain of fundamentalist Christians, and The Verge is questioning why anyone would allow Satanic imagery in their game so "pointlessly".
1 vjaY619 2019-02-14
Don't forget the rampant incest.
1 boyoyoyoyong 2019-02-14
Wake me when we get gas chamber expansion pack
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-02-14
Auschwitz Simulator 2019
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-02-14
CK2 > HOI4
1 cmakk1012 2019-02-14
Based and Karlingpilled
1 forward_dawn 2019-02-14
Maybe I’ll agree when I figure out how CK2 works, but for now I’ll enjoy all the shitposts
1 muffler_kek 2019-02-14
CK2 is ez tho
1 DoesntSmellLikePalm 2019-02-14
In game tutorial is pretty good now
1 forward_dawn 2019-02-14
But how many DLCs do I need before it's playable
1 DoesntSmellLikePalm 2019-02-14
None technically, the base game is decent and works fine. But the DLC does add a LOT of stuff and I personally can’t imagine playing without it.
The Royal Collection on Steam is only gameplay expansions. It’s $200 rn but I think it was $100 during the most recent sale? If you wanna cut the costs you can skip the India one (unless if you like India a lot) and you definitely don’t need the Aztec invasion one
1 -Kite-Man- 2019-02-14
First spend a week studying the wikipedia article on the British Peerage system and then you can start thinking about reading the pre-tutorial manual.
1 Seattle_Bussy_Lmao 2019-02-14
You have expelled the Jews from r/Drama
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-02-14
This but unironically
1 ArchAngelofSloths 2019-02-14
Vicky II > CKII
1 forward_dawn 2019-02-14
There will never be a Vicky III
1 Phantom_Engineer 2019-02-14
Vic2 > CK2
Let's you violently repress political radicals and racial minorities while building the chaddest empire in the world, or alternatively build a centrist utopia in the Americas for all the people to stream to.
One interesting strategy, for example, is to direct immigration (should you be recieve enough) to areas with rebellious cultures. The immigrants will slowly outnumber the natives and then assimilate to your proper culture destroying the native homeland.
1 Ennui2778 2019-02-14
1 Phantom_Engineer 2019-02-14
If they weren't intelligent life they deserved it. You can tell they aren't intelligent because of what they believe.
1 TheCodexx 2019-02-14
HoI4 is literally the worst game they've published. Maybe it's improved since launch but it was literally a game that broke if you tried to go down non-historical routes or you completed objectives outside of the correct order.
1 ParticularDrummer 2019-02-14
You've never played vanilla HoI3 and Vicky2 I guess.
Vanilla Vicky 2 was a trainwreck, but launch HoI3 was something else. Shit performance and the whole game just could not stop breaking.
1 TheCodexx 2019-02-14
I actually like Victoria II without expansions better than with it; too easy to get a Casus Belli.
I didn't play original HoI3.
I'm used to Paradox games being broken on launch, but they usually had good gameplay. EU4 was easy to break on launch and the gameplay could get stale as you learned to abuse it, but you could get a lot of playtime before that point.
Hoi4 literally just felt like you couldn't do anything. Everything took forever to do and the system was built around events happening in a certain order.
The appeal of Victoria II is that you felt pressure to follow history because there was a natural pressure to do certain things. So you do the sensible thing in your first runs and go where the tides take you, just trying to be stronger and better than the real nations. But you have the freedom to do a lot of alternate-history stuff.
If alternate-history is too hard, or the game too rigid and predictable, then the appeal goes away. It should simulate would could have happened, to a ridiculous degree. And WWII in particular has a lot of "what would have happened if...?" moments.
1 The_Long_Connor 2019-02-14
EU4 has them all beat
1 notcyberpope 2019-02-14
Can we use modern science to revive Hitler and gas anyone who serious posts on the internet?
1 mrs-bronez 2019-02-14
Was gamergate for nothing?
1 Plexipus 2019-02-14
The South will rise again. . . In a 2019 optional content expansion by a Sweidsh game developer
1 TheColdTurtle 2019-02-14
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1 Ennui2778 2019-02-14
Some people just need their population reduced.
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1 Van-Diemen 2019-02-14
R E A D A B O O K
1 Alimentas 2019-02-14
t. only reads tumblr and reddit
1 TheCodexx 2019-02-14
This guy has unironically convinced me to buy an expansion pack for a game I dislike and never play when I could be spending it on EU4 expansions.
1 VidiotGamer 2019-02-14
Over the years Polygon has pretty much driven away all of their audience that isn't comprised of complete and utter woketards. It's like Resetera in that way.
1 elephantofdoom 2019-02-14
Paradox won't even acknowledge genocide, yet lets you play as the Confederates.
Who would have thought Swedes would act so mayo?
1 Ennui2778 2019-02-14
I mean, how hard would it be to get a qt comfort woman waifu morale boost?
1 MandirKahaBanega 2019-02-14
I think implying Trotsky would have started a civil war had Papa Stalin not purged 90% of his officers already proved their mayoness beyond doubt.
1 robogloop 2019-02-14
HOI4 sucks fat cocks play Darkest Hour
1 Ennui2778 2019-02-14
U suk fat cocks and ill fite u irl.
1 robogloop 2019-02-14
its dumbed down trash for retards
1 Seattle_Bussy_Lmao 2019-02-14
u r big gay
1 Ennui2778 2019-02-14
GOOD post.
1 robogloop 2019-02-14
paradox paypig
1 Seattle_Bussy_Lmao 2019-02-14
That's... really cutting accurate. Touche
1 Phantom_Engineer 2019-02-14
This but unironically.
1 forward_dawn 2019-02-14
I mean, if you play as the German Reich and DON’T kill Hitler to bring back the Kaiser, you’re the problem.
1 G_reth 2019-02-14
1 forward_dawn 2019-02-14
I’m just waiting for him to discover that you can genocide species by turning them into food and eating them in Stellaris.
1 TheCodexx 2019-02-14
Imagine thinking HoI4 is complex.
Imagine thinking Fuhrer Mana is part of a deep simulation.
1 orangetato 2019-02-14
From what I have gathered, polygon journalists only spend as much time reviewing the game as it takes to find everything P R O B L E M A T I C and not bother actually playing it
1 RobbiinTheHood 2019-02-14
Literally against it because she feels icky about it
Alright
1 Zeriell 2019-02-14
This is the supernova take we've all been waiting for.
1 Ennui2778 2019-02-14
t. soyburger
1 YourLocalMonarchist 2019-02-14
polygon should go the way of kotaku. prove me wrong
1 muffler_kek 2019-02-14
Stopped reading right there
1 Acer6422 2019-02-14
He only plays the sims and minecraft give him a break you bigot.
1 mrv3 2019-02-14
A game about a country that killed 6 million Jews
Polygon: Yawn
Alt history nonsense
Polygon: This is deeply unsettling something about America being racist today. Etc.
1 ottawabrandonwright 2019-02-14
This is going to make me look gay because im expressing knowledge about a videogayme but the author doesnt even acknowledge that this is the second time paradox has had the CSA in WW2.
In hoi2's expansion they were fully playable.
1 Feanorfanclub 2019-02-14
Will they let you save Anne Frank?
1 darth_stroyer 2019-02-14
Based
1 MandirKahaBanega 2019-02-14
Seems pretty likely that they will put that easter egg in. But then they'd probably make getting it extremely difficult like the kaiserfu HRE resurrection.
1 Thracius_Augustus 2019-02-14
imagine being this mad over a video game
1 letter_of_resignatio 2019-02-14
Imagine thing hoi 4 as most complex game ever done. Sure it more complex then stellaris and eu4. But that's kind it.
1 MandirKahaBanega 2019-02-14
Imagine thinking hoi4 is more complex than eu4.
1 letter_of_resignatio 2019-02-14
How about be split argument, bothj of them are for gaymers= so who cares?
1 teamsprocket 2019-02-14
Nothing more reddit than reeeing over Confederate shit and using "soyboy" unironically in current year.