The founders of a transgender suicide hotline embezzled $350K from it

380  2019-02-21 by HadakaApron

UPON DISCOVERY OF UNAUTHORIZED PURCHASES TOTALING $353,703 BY TWO OFFICERS OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT OCCURRED IN 2017, ON OR AROUND JANUARY 21, 2018, TRANS LIFELINE REMOVED THESE OFFICERS FROM HAVING ACCESS TO THE ORGANIZATION'S BANK ACCOUNTS AND ASSETS AND TERMINATED THEIR EMPLOYMENT AND THEIR POSITIONS AS OFFICERS AFTER COMPLETING ITS INITIAL INVESTIGATION OF THE DIVERSION. THE GOVERNING BODY RECOVERED SOME OF THE ORGANIZATION'S ASSETS BUT WAS UNABLE TO RECOVER ALL OF THE DIVERTED FUNDS. ON JUNE 28, 2018, THE ORGANIZATION AND THE TERMINATED OFFICERS HAD A MEDIATION WHERE THE TERMINATED OFFICERS AGREED TO RETURN THE DIVERTED FUNDS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME NOT TO EXCEED TEN YEARS. IT IS THE ORGANIZATION'S ASSESSMENT THAT THE TERMINATED OFFICERS ARE FINANCIALLY UNABLE TO IMMEDIATELY RETURN THE DIVERTED FUNDS; HOWEVER, THE ORGANIZATION BELIEVES THAT ITS BEST CHANCE AT RECOVERING THESE FUNDS WILL BE TO ENFORCE THE AGREEMENT TO RECOUP THE DIVERTED FUNDS OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. THE ORGANIZATION BELIEVES THAT OTHER POSSIBLE METHODS OF RECOVERY, INCLUDING THE FILING OF A LAWSUIT, WILL RESULT IN FURTHER EXPENDITURES OF THE ORGANIZATION'S LIMITED FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR CRITICAL CRISIS SERVICE OF ITS TARGET POPULATION, THEREBY NEGATIVELY IMPACTING ITS ABILITY TO CARRY OUT ITS MISSION AND ITS DONORS' INTENT, AND WILL NOT RESULT IN A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF RECOVERY OF THE DIVERTED FUNDS.

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lol. bitch Ive been jelqing since preteens and take roids like it’s my job. you do NOT know who you are talking too and i recommend you cease and desist

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That was worse than I thought it would be. They even singled out a certain user.

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Nice score.

They're also incredibly ugly even by AGP tranny standards.

Kjel looks like Shrek in a bad wig

AGP?

Autogynephile/autogynephilia

TL;DR transcels reeeeeeeeeee that Stacy won't fuck them.

:( what kind of person steals from a non profit organization who is using that money to save peoples lives? I hope they get what they deserve, and pay back every cent. It's a good organization, and the trans community cant afford to lose them.

We could lose about 40% tbh

Dark, but made me laugh.

41% to be precise

the whole thing seems like a scam

https://twitter.com/NoTransLifeLine

did they ever try to help suicidal people, or was the goal all along to spend the donations on happy meals, furry costumes and dragon dildos?

I work with them, some days are busier than others, but is the only crisis hotline that is safe for trans people, other suicide hotlines call the police without permission, which often leads to worse situations for the caller.

Oh ok, fair enough.

other suicide hotlines call the police without permission

Isn't the whole fucking purpose of a suicide hotline to preserve life, which can be accomplished by sectioning them and putting them in a controlled environment so they don't self harm?

Like it always bugs me when people complain about police restraining suicidal people because sectioning achieves the following:

  1. Removes them from their environment, which with a clean break can result in a clearer mind because environment is typically a major contributor towards suicidal intentions.
  2. Allows them to be monitored 24/7
  3. Can give them access to high priority therapy and have medication changes in a controlled environment.

But somehow this is bad because muh freedoms? De-escalating a suicide attempt is one thing but without attempting to identify the key triggers and contributors TOWARDS those suicidal thoughts they're likely to just attempt again the next day or the next week or the next month.

Maybe someone is suicidal because their medication is out of whack and needs adjusted, in a case like that sectioning will help. Maybe someone is suicidal because of a mental breakdown, in which case sectioning will help. Maybe someone is suicidal because they are being abused by family or a partner, in which case sectioning will help.

That helpline is actually putting trans lives in danger.

Ma'am we've been over this before. You need to stop.

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They're really insanely anti-police. I'm pretty skeptical of law enforcement but the founder did stuff like put an iron grate on her house that she called a "cop stopper" and building a compound in the desert "so the state wouldn't kill [us] all." I'm surprised that right-wing sites didn't take notice.

I dont know what the founders deal is, but I have heard many awful stories from others in the community who have had the police called on them during suicide hotline calls.

"The police stopped my attention seeking acting out and made me get proper treatment, it was awful."

Well if she's embezzling 350,000 of course she doesn't want the police in her business lol

shitheads embezzeling six digits from their own nonprofit want the cops to fuck off

Color me shocked.

When police come to respond to a suicide call, it is actually kinda dangerous even in the best of situation. The police generally dont take those calls seriously, arrest the person and treat them poorly, and sometimes use unnecessary and dangerous force. It is even worse for trans people, who are often actively assaulted by police responding to those calls, arrested, put in cells that dont align with their gender where they risk assault at the hands of other prisoners, are institutionalized against their will when they might not really have needed it, and are often worse off mentally and emotionally afterwards.

Trans lifeline is staffed by trans people, many of whom have dealt with suicidality themselves in the past, and that understanding is important when counseling someone, other hotlines do not have that training or experience, and can make it worse by misgendering the person and giving bad advice.

If a volunteer believes there is imminent danger and it is worth taking that risk to save someone, they can definitly encourage the person to allow them to call emergency services, and are trained to call EMS services and not the police wherever possible.

Oh my god you're actually serious. You realise that trans or not a sucide hotline with a shitty triage system will kill more trans people than the police?

I have been on the recieving end of both. Trans lifeline is much more helpful. Most other suicide hotlines are really shitty when dealing with trans people.

Good, where can i donate?

No, they'll just kill themselves like they originally intended. The system in place only kills people when police get involved and shoot them.

Hey don't help the enemy.

why are there so many whiney ass SRDines in drama lately?

Jez did you try and have Super Hanz sectioned?

Look guys, you've had your fun with the sectioning. There's going to be no more sectioning today.

US police aren't known for being tactful or gentle. Suicidal people need help and reassurance, not a squad breaking down their door.

other suicide hotlines call the police without permission

oh so you mean other suicide hotlines do things properly and in a way to keep people safe?

because calling the cops when a tranny threatens suicide is pointless because they're just doing it for attention, so they just sperg out even more and that's why it leads to 'worse situations'?

fuck off with this shit.

Unfortunately no, they are not doing it for attention. Gender dysphoria is a seriously shitty disorder to deal with, and nothing to mess around with. Like I said to the other poster, police often make the situation worse for trans people, mocking them, misgendering them, harassing them, placing them in the wrong cells, and sometimes assaulting them. Trans lifeline operators are trained to encourage callers who are in immement danger to allow them to call emergency services for them, and also make sure to specifically call local EMS departments whenever possible instead of local police or even worse, sheriff departments (which are who is usually called if a 911 call is placed)

Ok.....and guess what......you don't tell Mandated Reporters you are going to kill yourself on lines that are recorded. If they ignore it, they get into serious trouble.

Its better if there is somewhere to call that people dont have to worry about being arrested, it allows callers to speak with honesty. If they are calling, they want to seek help, and probably arent right on that edge yet. If they are, we encourage them to allow us to call EMS.

We do report in states that have mandatory reporter laws, but we dont ask the caller their address or full name unless they are consenting to allow us to call. We give 911 all the information we have when we have to by law without consent, which is basically just that a person called the hotline, and their first name.

How can I join you guys? I'd like to try and push trannies over the edge

Post bussy

Nothing to mess around with? Have you ever took a step back and tried to look at what you are saying with another perspective? You sound mentally ill.

What other perspective?

Not calling for professional help for the disturb, mentally co fused individuals, considering a mental illness a health and normal thing, and any of beliefs?

Trans people are not confused, or disturbed. Gender Dysphoria is a mental health issue, but being transgender is a sex condition. Calling the police on callers creates dangerous situations for the caller, and discourages people from using the hotline when they need it out of fear of being arrested/assaulted/harassed or otherwise poorly treated by police that respond. We do encourage them to allow us to call EMS departments if they are in imminent danger.

People calling a suicide hotline are disturb. People who have a mental illness are mental ill. Chopping a dick off or slapping a dick on something doesn't make it the opposite gender. Just makes a mutilated human. It will be fun looking back on this in ten or 15 years when people will look back at this barbaric medical practice in horror. You don't treated schizophrenia by acting like the delusions are real, same for the mental disorder of trannies.

Gender dysphoria isnt a delusion, it's a dysphoria, which is why it has it in the name right there. People are the gender identity that they are, it is innate and unchangable. Being transgender is a sex condition, where their gender identity (which is biologically based in the brain) does not match the rest of their biological gender. This often causes gender dysphoria, the mental disorder, which is very treatable through transition. No other treatment has yet been shown to be consistently effective at alleviating it.

Hmm didn't know having a 41% suicide rate was effective treatment. So you are cool with people giving kids hormone blockers way before they hit puberty? Every tranny I've talked to so far are 100% down for child abuse.

That is a lifetime suicide attempt rate. Post transition, the suicide attempt rate falls to between 5 and 8 percent, depending the study, and falls further to the national average when adjusting for people living in supportive communities post transition. I'd say an 80% reduction in risk is a pretty effective treatment.

If a child needs it, puberty blockers are very effective. I'm not on board with affirmation based therapy for minors though, it needs more diagnostic process. Puberty blockers have already been used as a treatment for other things for some time without issue, the child developed normally if they stop them.

I'm willing to bet if they released the audio from those phone calls, the trans individuals were more than likely saying they were going to actively harm themselves. Sorry but I side with the suicide lines fro calling considering they are more or less bound to when someone confirms they will take their life. Same as for teachers, police and medical staff.

They sometimes do, and in those instances we encourage callers to provide personal information and allow us to call their local EMS if they have it, and I havent had someone say no who I could see needed it yet, their police department if they dont have a designated EMS nearby, or their sheriff department as a last resort. Some states have mandatory reporting laws, which we follow, but we dont require callers to provide personal information up front.

What do they do then if a physical intervention is needed? You can’t always talk someone out of hurting themselves or someone else.

Encourage them to provide personal information so you can call their local EMS department, or police if they dont have one. Consent is everything

2 years ago I had to go to a psych ward and I'm like one of the only 2 people that gave consent to be there. Every time someone new came in they would abuse the nurses, scream about how they wanted out.. etc..

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Mentally unsound people aren't going to consent to going to a psych ward.

So you're saying we should lump them in with the mayocide?

Only the mayo ones, the safest group on the planet.

I dont know, that isnt my decision. I am there to help however I can, provide resources, empathize, share my personal experiences when relevant.

It is your decision though. 90% of the people on this sub would call the cops if they saw someone talking about suicide online and we aren't even in a position of responsibility like you are. You are activity choosing not to act when you have the ability to do so. This is because you have been brainwashed by a cult. You have become closed minded and think the cult's options are the one true path (without any evidence except hearsay) but really you have many options in how you act. Maybe talk to some people on other suicide lines and see why they do what they do rather than just believing "our way right, their way wrong".

Typical cultist illogical reasoning.

"Everyone's else is evil which is why we have to do what we are doing"

Other suicide hotlines do police checks on staff which leads to worse situations for perverts but it's ok because the cult told you so.

Implying dragon dildos don't help suicidal people.

What kind of person steals from a nonprofit? Pretty much anyone who started one in the first place.

And everyone on the board, and most of management, and the interns.

I hope they get what they deserve

A congressional medal?

Doubt they're going to find gainful employment enough to come up with $350k any time soon.

Stealing from tranny enablers is based

Call it whatever you want, the organization saves lives, and are much better off without them.

Almost correct, let me help you.

the organization saves lives, which were are much better off without

Edgy

American lives to be specific, which we are better off without.

Plus it's totally unnecessary. The point of non-profit charities is to funnel money to the executives, but normally the executives can just pay themselves a legitimate-looking wage.

I have no qualms with executives of non profits paying themselves a reasonable salary, especially with an organization as large as this one, it is a full time job for them.

No no, the purpose of most non-profits is to rinse them for money, not just in wages but expenses too. Why do you think Warren Buffett has set charities up for reach of his kids to run. They get a huge salary and all their travel and living costs paid for and then also get to decide where all those billions gets spent. It's pretty much like giving them the money tax free. The only difference here is that it's being done from the bottom up rather than the rich propping up their dumb kids.

:( what kind of person steals from a non profit organization who is using that money to save peoples lives?

Um, the same people who explicitly founded and set that non-profit organization up as a way to financially enrich themselves?

If you guys have 1 hour and 20 minutes, Josh from Kiwi Farms has a youtube video on the whole ordeal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAjGweEW_eo

This video better not be MDEfugee shit.

I'm not sure which part is better, the founder showing up at Josh's house to intimidate him or the compound they were building in the desert.

For me it was the cop telling Null to just shoot them if they showed up again

This entire story is amazing.

Fuck kiwi farms

Kiwi farms is pretty fucking funny even if Null is a creep

How's he a creep?

Hurtcore nekoshota.

I don't know what that means and I'm very proud of that fact.

Basically, afaik, little boys drawn in an anime style getting tortured and raped to death, Josh used to fap to it back in his Blockland days.

Because everything on Encyclopedia Dramatica is 100% true and honest.

This but unironically 👆

Honestly, if someone's retarded enough to get an article on ED, you're way better off treating them like it's all true

Yeah, it's a fun den of retards to be a part of, imo.

Listening to retards laugh at others retards is part of the fun too! Reason why I listen to the Scatting Atheist, the hosts are as dysfunctional as the christcucks, kikes and mudslims the make fun of.

Kiwifarms is hilarious bro

I love how Null get's people to self doxx themselves

imagine being this mad on the internet

Kiwifarms is the best website on the internet.

Did they dox your favourite tranny?

Keep Bailey and nyannyan out of this. Thank you.

these replies are embarassing and these null orbiting faggots need to leave

What would you expect? Null is like the condensed essence of an /r/drama poster

I wonder which account is his alt.

we're all nool

You sound discontent.

I thought that was the website which shall not be named?

It's literally on the sidebar.

Afaik you can talk about Kiwifarms and even link videos from its official channel (as long as there's no dox) but you can not link to the forum at all

I meant in terms of linking. So much good shit I wish you could just direct link here, but copy and pasting half assed forum posts works too.

reddit itself blocks direct kiwi links so the best you can do is tell people to google the thing you want to shill.

Didn't know they had a channel. Dope

As many of you already know, Trans Lifeline founders Nina Chaubal and Greta Martela have transitioned out of the organization.

LMAOOOOO

Also, that's not some random asshole grifter officers as the OP text makes it seem, that's the founders who apparently started the whole thing as their piggy bank. Or transitioned into using it as a piggy bank lol.

They also unironically used organizational money to go stalk Null from Kiwifarms

If the Coke Zero Guzzling sperg is the sane one in the situation, you need to take a step back in life and look at what you've become.

Coke zero. Gross.

“Ive never seen a trans person drinking Coke Zero”. - Donald J Trump

Oh this is a great day.

That's Kiwifarms, which you can find by a simple Google search since Reddit won't allow linking to there.

WTF, why dpoesn't reddit allow a link to kiwifarms!?

Kiwifarms allows doxxing.

Ah, o.k.

Kiwifarms is a forum of peace

Personal greed will always trump personal ethics in the vast majority of people. Tons of "charities" operate essentially as slush funds and a well paying job (If you're at the top of them ofc)

Nina Chaubal and Greta Martela

OH NO NO NO NO

I was really hoping that they would not look how I thought they would look, but they do... oh they do...

Hons, when will they learn?

LOOK AT THE TOP OF XER HEAD

Those are gay men with tits.

Naw they're straight, did you miss the transbians part?

...How are they straight? If anything larping being a lesbian and fucking a dude makes you like double gay, right? Because not only are you a gay woman you are a gay man, yeah? So this is like queer factor 2 or something.

I would say it's because they're actually men but I am pretty sure I can get banned for that

Na, we're based enough here to laugh at trannies

Woof.

They're not even trying

I can smell them from here.

"Hi I'm a tranny and I want to kill myself."

"Please enter your credit card number."

DOING

THEIR

PART

FOR

THE

MAYOCIDE

BISMALLLLLAH BROOTHERRS

This doesn’t make any sense

trans people are mostly mayos

so killing trans people = mayocide

and bismallah

trans people are mostly mayos

You’re an idiot

that cant be right

why all the trannies always white then?

It's a bad study

Other studies show they're mostly white more than population (as that one inside says)

This basically shows social science is garbage not anything about retarded bussy

The black trans are mostly prostitutes who get killed at a very high rate by pimps and punters. The white ones are mostly middle aged rich guys who are the safest group in the US and push themselves into the media spotlight.

Nah trans people are honorary POC, plus they can breed so more trans ppl = less mayos

fair.

They also can't breed if they're dead

Based and scampilled

It was long thought Greta and Nina (public figures y'all) were using TLL as their personal piggy bank, their lifestyles were on the surface very lavish.

Pointing this out was considered and act of transphobia of course and now that everything is out in the open TransTwitter's silence on the matter is deafening.

Whodathunk it.

Who follows trannies?

There's an entire subforum about the most crazy of them on KF.

Lol

What's KF? I want in on the cyberbullying.

It's in the sidebar gorl.

!taboo

Stealing from a Charity?

That helps suicidal transfolk.

Yikes. A lot to unpack here sweaty.

FUCK. I was unaware there was so much money in convincing trans to off themselves.

Sounds like these founders just got great practice for opening an cryptocurrency ICO.

>THE TERMINATED OFFICERS AGREED TO RETURN THE DIVERTED FUNDS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME NOT TO EXCEED TEN YEARS

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Soo, they're getting an interest-free loan pretty much a gift because after 10 years nobody will care anymore? I need to get into this racket.

meh, I think they are right that a lawsuit could just be a money hole and not be worth it.

They should at least go to jail though. But then again, that would make it harder for them to pay back the money.

Why all caps tho

Yeah that was hard to read

I just copied and pasted it from the pdf, I think that all caps is just standard operating procedure for that particular form.

transitioned out of the organization

BAHAHAAHAHAH

based

liberals r having a bad week lmao

They can spin themselves out of it.

Older drama, but still tasty

fucking hate trannies like this, they make it harder for normal transpeople (like me) to live their lives, they suckle on the good will of people, and take advantage of a vulnerable population for their own personal gain.

10 years to repay this, more like 10 years in the (male) slammer.

normal transpeople

Uwot.

the ones that blend into society like the rest of us normies

There are old school transsexuals and the new crazy transgender. The transgender trenders actually attack the real trans, who need real medical help, because they make them look bad.

Oh, yeah I agree with that, makes sense not even memeing.

normal transpeople

o×ymoron

implying that scamming is morally wrong

Imagine being this much of a cuck and moralfag LMAO.

What's funny is people would call into tll just to chat. Null got into their system and they werent answering something like 90 percent of the calls. They have two deaths on their hands

There marketing and bs stopped trans people phoning legitimate suicide lines because apparently they were transphobic or wouldn't understand.

Trans women are women

My $1 bill is a trans $100 bill.

they're mamms

Explains why you like Tay.

But transwomen are still male and they always will be. This is the important part.

, yall

lmao

TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN

This is true, there are cis women and then there's real women

If a woman was born with a penis then its a feminine penis.

2+2=5

There are four lights!

Trans women are women

...backstabbing treacherous cunts that have no foresight in their devious schemes and can only fall back on crying and playing dumb when they get caught scamming?

Absolutely fraudpilled

God this sucks, imagine how many trans people are suffering more because of this dick bag

On one hand, I delight in seeing hideous scamming trannies go to prison, but on the other I delight in seeing hideous trannies lose their money to scams.

2 buttons guy .jpg

lol