Well Ukrainians are slavs, so that part isn't even controversial. The real question is whether the Holodomor happened because Soviet leadership intentionally wanted to starve the Ukrainians in order to Russify the area, or just because communism is intrinsically bad at providing basic goods like food.
It is funny seeing lefties who refuse to disown the USSR at its worst try to rationalize the Holodomor. When the best things you can say are "It probably wasn't really a genocide" or "Those millions of people who were starved and murdered died because of incompetence, not malice," you know you've got a winning ideology.
Tbh there’s pretty much no evidence that Holodomor was orchestrated to commit genocide against Ukrainians. It was caused by the disaster that was collectivization, and by the fact that the USSR was committing so much of its resources to building up heavy industry that there was almost nothing left for development in other areas. Obviously it was still a man-made famine caused by centralized economic planning.
It might have not a targeted genocide, but it was most def genocidal negligence. The Soviet leadership was well-aware of the famine going on in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and parts of Russia, yet they still chose to redirect most of the grain to major cities or export it to foreign countries.
There's little-to-no real evidence of any of the supposed 'tragedies' committed by the Soviet Union; that's because any evidence that you can point me to has likely been fabricated by Western governments, and thus can not be trusted. Propaganda attacking socialism is necessary to maintain the ideological basis for the Western liberal-democratic political hegemony. Experiments at worker's democracy can never be tolerated.
So the Soviet Union was unceasing in its search for new knowledge? That hardly seems like a downside to me. In fact most socialists, including Elon Musk, share a passion for science and want to advance the world.
I wouldn't put it past Elon Musk to hire women to be fucked by chimps, in hope that it would create a more efficient and productive assembly line worker for Tesla factories.
The man is an edgy degenerate who drops acid and tries to be a "meme lord".
Lysenko was so goddamn good at science he didn't need to hear from other scientists which of course left them out of a job. Good Guy Lysenko found them excellent accommodations though so it turned out ok 🤙
Lol where do you get that from? I already said that the command economy in the USSR was disastrous, and I’ll say now that Stalin was as evil and as murderous as Hitler. I’m just saying that it’s obvious that the Holodomor wasn’t a targeted genocide of Ukrainians, which in your mind makes me an ardent Marxist-Leninist.
Nah, just a retard. The areas in Ukraine that were most affected were still net exporters of food. If you think the soviet government removing food from a territory clearly starving is a bureaucratic error, your brain is smoother tuan a cue ball
It’s not a targeted genocide, you fucking retarded moron. The Ukrainian nation was being promoted in the Soviet Union as part of the korenizaciya program at the same time this “genocide” was going on. Typically, you don’t establish universities, affirmative action, and special linguistic and ethnic provisions for a people you’re trying to genocide.
Why are they acting like the Holdomor is something spoken about regularly in the media. I hadn't thought about it in years until I started interacting regularly with Tankies on reddit
Ironically, the Bengal famine is one of the ways neonazis justify the holocaust by pushing a point that the nazis weren't the only ones doing mass murder.
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1 SnapshillBot 2019-03-01
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1 AssuredlyAThrowAway_ 2019-03-01
They should just say what they're thinking. We all know your average tankie believes Ukrainians are sub-human, they should just drop the pretense.
1 UmmahSultan 2019-03-01
Well Ukrainians are slavs, so that part isn't even controversial. The real question is whether the Holodomor happened because Soviet leadership intentionally wanted to starve the Ukrainians in order to Russify the area, or just because communism is intrinsically bad at providing basic goods like food.
1 xthek 2019-03-01
It is funny seeing lefties who refuse to disown the USSR at its worst try to rationalize the Holodomor. When the best things you can say are "It probably wasn't really a genocide" or "Those millions of people who were starved and murdered died because of incompetence, not malice," you know you've got a winning ideology.
1 Megazor 2019-03-01
Yes
1 number_11310 2019-03-01
Reminder that Stalin hated Poles because his stupid decision-making during 1920 war made daddy Lenin spank his ass.
1 MikeStoklasaAlcohol 2019-03-01
Wtf I love Chapo now
1 HodorTheDoorHolder_ 2019-03-01
HolodomorTheBreadHoarder
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-03-01
Tbh there’s pretty much no evidence that Holodomor was orchestrated to commit genocide against Ukrainians. It was caused by the disaster that was collectivization, and by the fact that the USSR was committing so much of its resources to building up heavy industry that there was almost nothing left for development in other areas. Obviously it was still a man-made famine caused by centralized economic planning.
1 Matues49 2019-03-01
It might have not a targeted genocide, but it was most def genocidal negligence. The Soviet leadership was well-aware of the famine going on in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and parts of Russia, yet they still chose to redirect most of the grain to major cities or export it to foreign countries.
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-03-01
Absolutely
1 BeanerShnitzel 2019-03-01
BUT MUH BENGAL FAMINE!!
I think that is their only response to this lmao.
1 xlhat 2019-03-01
Even the famously left wing AJP Taylor respected and adored Churchill. Called him a hero and a saviour.
What happened to decent historians ? Even Hobsbawm in the end was less of a tankie than this lot. He was in his late 80s however.
1 Osterion 2019-03-01
The left never adored Churchhill. Thats why his government was defeated so quickly after the war.
1 xlhat 2019-03-01
They did however. Hell Atlee wrote a beautiful essay after his death and was a pallbearer. This smut has only recently surfaced.
Churchill won his seat after war. His personal popularity was high but his govt didn't offer hope. He became PM again in 51.
1 the_marx 2019-03-01
There's little-to-no real evidence of any of the supposed 'tragedies' committed by the Soviet Union; that's because any evidence that you can point me to has likely been fabricated by Western governments, and thus can not be trusted. Propaganda attacking socialism is necessary to maintain the ideological basis for the Western liberal-democratic political hegemony. Experiments at worker's democracy can never be tolerated.
1 BeanerShnitzel 2019-03-01
What about the time they made chimps fuck women to try and create monkey-human super soliders?🤔
1 the_marx 2019-03-01
So the Soviet Union was unceasing in its search for new knowledge? That hardly seems like a downside to me. In fact most socialists, including Elon Musk, share a passion for science and want to advance the world.
1 PostDemocracyISNOW 2019-03-01
Lots of valuable advances, tbf, like dissenting views are easy to hose down the train if treated correctly with tanks.
1 BeanerShnitzel 2019-03-01
I wouldn't put it past Elon Musk to hire women to be fucked by chimps, in hope that it would create a more efficient and productive assembly line worker for Tesla factories.
The man is an edgy degenerate who drops acid and tries to be a "meme lord".
1 Incoherencel 2019-03-01
Lysenko was so goddamn good at science he didn't need to hear from other scientists which of course left them out of a job. Good Guy Lysenko found them excellent accommodations though so it turned out ok 🤙
1 alot_the_murdered 2019-03-01
Huh.
Maybe it was his fetish.
1 Ranilen 2019-03-01
Not that any of that matters because the Soviet Union had nothing to do with Communism or Socialism!
1 PostDemocracyISNOW 2019-03-01
Yeah, fucken zeks got what was coming, hey?
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-03-01
Lol where do you get that from? I already said that the command economy in the USSR was disastrous, and I’ll say now that Stalin was as evil and as murderous as Hitler. I’m just saying that it’s obvious that the Holodomor wasn’t a targeted genocide of Ukrainians, which in your mind makes me an ardent Marxist-Leninist.
1 PostDemocracyISNOW 2019-03-01
Tankie apologist, gtfo
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-03-01
I’m more of a Russia apologist than a tankie apologist. Still waiting for evidence that Holodomor was a targeted genocide of Ukrainians.
1 PostDemocracyISNOW 2019-03-01
I'm just askin questions! Just questions, bro, whats the matter?
I propose you get a trip to the Leninist room
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-03-01
Go cry about Crimea
1 PostDemocracyISNOW 2019-03-01
Fucking idiot. What a missed opportunity
Go Crimea river, deadshit
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-03-01
Suck my NovgoROD
1 PostDemocracyISNOW 2019-03-01
That's a bit better!
1 boredcentsless 2019-03-01
Nah, just a retard. The areas in Ukraine that were most affected were still net exporters of food. If you think the soviet government removing food from a territory clearly starving is a bureaucratic error, your brain is smoother tuan a cue ball
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-03-01
It’s not a targeted genocide, you fucking retarded moron. The Ukrainian nation was being promoted in the Soviet Union as part of the korenizaciya program at the same time this “genocide” was going on. Typically, you don’t establish universities, affirmative action, and special linguistic and ethnic provisions for a people you’re trying to genocide.
1 boredcentsless 2019-03-01
its almost as if the soviet union were fucking liars
1 jubbergun 2019-03-01
TL;DR LOL post hog, chud.
1 xlhat 2019-03-01
Here ya go
1 VapeOnYourNape 2019-03-01
man I love piggies
1 xlhat 2019-03-01
Then you'll love my hog.
1 BeanerShnitzel 2019-03-01
If you tell a Chapo to post hog it really gets under their skin. Waiting on my Chapo ban as we speak.
1 VapeOnYourNape 2019-03-01
It's pretty hard to get banned from there
1 SlowFatHusky 2019-03-01
I did it within a dozen comments and I was not trying. It depends if you get under their skin easily.
1 VapeOnYourNape 2019-03-01
Which comment did they get you on?
1 SlowFatHusky 2019-03-01
The Canadian government sterilizing undesirable women in hospitals. I compared it to the catch and release programs for neutering cats.
1 VapeOnYourNape 2019-03-01
Very impressive to get banned for sexism.
If anyone wants to go easy mode just be mean to trans people
1 xlhat 2019-03-01
One chapo mentions that internal barriers made trading impossible. Guess who erected those inter province/state barriers ? Not the whiteys.
1 artbaselinthebezel 2019-03-01
Stop
Hoarding
Grain
1 charming_tatum 2019-03-01
Why are they acting like the Holdomor is something spoken about regularly in the media. I hadn't thought about it in years until I started interacting regularly with Tankies on reddit
1 LobotomyKid 2019-03-01
Commies and genocide denial, name a more iconic duo.
1 Gtyyler 2019-03-01
Ironically, the Bengal famine is one of the ways neonazis justify the holocaust by pushing a point that the nazis weren't the only ones doing mass murder.
1 soupvsjonez 2019-03-01
Holocaust denial for the woke.
1 sign5142 2019-03-01