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They didn't remove that tweet because it had the word "TERF" in it. I'm pretty sure it was more along the lines of "antagonizing behavior/harassment" etc. She's a dumb faggot who just wants validation for being a cunt online 😂
'' stupid tranny fucks, you just want real women to suffer I hope you all kill yourselves''- femcel on twitter
b&
''hi ladies I just got sooooo much hate from these MEN just for saying I want to be left alone to be a women in my wimenz spaces doing wimenz things like flicking my bean to Andrea dworkin 😭😭😭😭 why to tif hate us so much??? 😭😭😭😭😭'' - femcel on GC
I mean in regards to gangrene yeah. I just feel like this is so similar to how people viewed lobotomy a few decades ago. Everyone's entitled to their opinions though.
IMO it's a pretty good sign they're for real. So many other societal movements have no cost burden associated with it, people come and go as they please. When transwomen are like 'nah don't need this anymore' about their goddamn dick and balls, that shows dedication, I appreciate that.
Nah it's pretty simple, you just take a dick and smoosh things around until it's roughly in the shape of a pussy. And then you throw away whatever wouldn't fit. Pretty simple really.
Weirdly they apparently let in self hating transwomen who agree to refer to themselves as 'trans identifying males' and a base themselves. It really is baffling that a trans person would post there. You'd think they would be banned along with all other people that reveal they had or once had a penis or any clitoris of abnormal size, but whatever.
It's funny, they often make really broad generalizations about transwomen right? Like an transwomen are rapists. Then a self hating transwomen will be like 'Oh FYI I don't personally rape but thanks kind lady'. Then they'll be utterly outraged, 'THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOUR #NOTALL YOU RAPIST PIECE OF SHIT'.
You would think that an argument of the sort:
Proposition: All y are x
Argument: I am of y, I am not x, therefore the proposition is not true
Would be perfectly valid logically? But somehow regurgitating 'hashtag notall' has forever rendered such logic invalid.
Twitter’s rules on what counts as harassment honestly make no sense, you can literally promote killing someone and be fine but they’ll ban you for telling a writer to “learn to code”
I guess? Most aren’t coordinated as “harrassment” against specific (though totally arbitrary) people though, like L2C was
“Learn to code” only offends me because of how jaw-droppingly retarded they were about the whole thing. It’s actually frustrating to explain how stupid it was because it was so fundamentally nonsensical on every level.
The choice of target was dickish and made no sense (none of the targets did anything besides being former “journalists” lol), the message was stupid, and it’s responding to something that never happened (bc journalists never told miners to learn to code, especially not the ones they were harrassing).
Then ONE GUY gets suspended for keeping it up AFTER A WARNING, and now it’s “Twitter will ban you if you tell journalists to learn to code! Why are they such a protected class??”
That makes perfect sense: if it offends someone the Twitter ministry of truth & sensitivity likes, then it's harassment. If you threaten to kill an Alex Jones fan, that's free speech.
Cry more bitch. The gear right is treated with a much softer hand than any other group. If the far right were black or Muslim they would've been banned from every platform long ago.
There are more differences between LibFems and RadFems than the trans exclusionary part. Especially when it comes to issues like sex work, pornography, and various sexual fetishes. RadFems are extremely opposed to all of those things.
They're kind of like the more conservative strain of feminism although most of them aren't conservatives in the conventional sense.
RadFems also differentiate between "equality" (bad/what LibFems want) and "liberation" (good/what they want).
hey wait radfems don’t necessarily hate kinks. they hate the idea of people being open or comfortable with their kinks, because that’s obviously a slippery slope to objectifying women
There are trans inclusive radical feminists, so you can't be that broad. Terfs just like to vaguely refer to themselves as radical feminist because they know if they are called by any word that specifies their view on transwomen people will immediately show them the door.
Well, for starters, they might not define themselves by trans', but damn if you'd ever guess that from looking at the proportion trans' stuff occupies in their talks.
Secondly, radical feminists tend to be the face of feminism, so, in a way, they are the typical example of a garden variety feminist, but probably not actually the garden variety feminist, 'cause, you know, loud minority, all that.
i mean if you’re going to /r/GenderCritical you’re gonna get a pretty specific cross-section of the wacky world of radical feminism
Doesn't seem to be all that specific, TBH.
depends who you’re getting your “face” from
I think I can count the time since I've seen a non-whacky feminist be presented specifically as a feminist in months. At that point if you're a fairly rational feminist you don't have all that much to say besides "Keep going, we're on the right path", but you can't make a rally or a talk show session around that.
literally the entire sidebar is about the TE part, not the RF part
What I meant is that radical feminists sort of always seem hell bent on trans' people, it's not specific to GC, not the contrary.
also idk, normally when i see a “feminist writer” or whatever come on somewhere, they say a bunch of normal shit with annoying jargon. but they don’t stand out as much as the ones who can’t talk for shit, or the ones with a stupidly reductive, pre-revelation Malcolm X mindset about the whole thing
I gotta admit, I don't go out of my way to see level-headed feminists, but again, I don't hear about them essentially at all, while the crazy ones seem to be pretty much everywhere.
What I meant is that radical feminists sort of always seem hell bent on trans' people, it's not specific to GC, not the contrary.
tbf almost my whole idea of what radical feminism is comes from a few comparatively chill folks and essays written by people who probably didn’t know trans people existed. so whatever “the scene” is could be overwhelmingly TERF these days.
then again, most of the radfems I’ve met weren’t exactly in a hurry to call themselves radfems, there could be a correlation between transphobia and enthusiastically embracing controversial labels
I don't go out of my way to see level-headed feminists
outside political writing, they often don’t go out of their way to call themselves feminists, that could be a factor. they do get interviewed though
then again, most of the radfems I’ve met weren’t exactly in a hurry to call themselves radfems
It does seem to be kind of painting a target on your face, I think, yeah.
there could be a correlation between transphobia and enthusiastically embracing controversial labels
Probably, I mean, most of the radfem arguments for transphobia are rooted in the belief that they're men, which means they're dangerous, which obviously implies men are dangerous. This means they're probably pretty big on the whole "the patriarchy hates women" stuff and all, which in turn probably gives them a pretty low opinion of society. Doesn't help that if you're holding those views, you probably also aren't having a great time either, what with believing half of the world is rigging life against you, so why bother giving a f#ck about what people you hate think ?
So yeah, I can see how people who end up at the radfem end of transphobia (As in, at least overtly justified by essentially man-hating) would tend not to have reservations about the label.
outside political writing, they often don’t go out of their way to call themselves feminists
That's why I said in my original comment that I didn't see "non-whacky feminist[s] be presented specifically as [...] feminist[s]". I know non-whacky feminists exist, hell, I do kind of agree that many people are feminists of sort even without claiming or even accepting the label in some measure, but they just don't serve as the face of feminism precisely because they don't make any association they might have with feminism known.
TERF's are an outgrowth of second wave feminism. Second wave feminism was bra burning all sex is rape stuff. They hated sex, they kind of just wanted to be men and eliminate everything that is feminine, get rid of bras, makeup, dresses, anything that specifically marked them as female was an artificial imposition by society and a form of bondage. Feminism became extremely unpopular in the 80s and 90s in reaction to them, women didn't want to identify as feminist because they were afraid they'd be viewed as manly and frigid and nobody would want to date them.
Third wave feminism (what is often today called 'liberal feminism', and is largely responsible for the modern return to popularity of feminism) developed as a reaction to these excesses. Third wave feminists wanted to be girly and viewed girly things as just as valid as masculine ones. They went out of their way to call themselves 'sex positive', that way they could be viewed as sexy and wouldn't be seen as frigid like the second wave types.
It was wildly successful of course in spreading its message. You'd never get Beyonce and such saying 'I'm a feminist' in second wave times. Beyonce to second wave types would be viewed as some sort of stripper I guess enslaved to the male gaze. However there were a lot of excesses... it became very broadly defined, you got people saying things like 'feminism means both sexes are equal'. Which of course is a bit of a stretch. As well it was so accepting, that you eventually had a bunch of 'male feminists' slither there way in pretending to be woke to fuck some pretty, sex positive feminist. Many of these turned out to in fact be creepy rapists in the metoo era.
Now there's a counterrevolution of sorts going on, women who identify more with the second wave bra burners are calling themselves radical feminists. You know, totally ban sex work, all men are rapists and it's impossible to have consensual sex with them, throw out your oppressive feminine grooming habits, keep all men at arms length and separated. And also exclude transwomen because they're just men trying to rape our spaces with their presence or something. Like second wave feminists allied with the Christian right to ban medical coverage of transition, the radical feminists are allied with the modern nationalist right to try and quash the burgeoning trans rights movement. Massive buzz kills and moralizers basically that you just want to roll your eyes at and tell them to shut up and make your sandwich.
They're not going to succeed, they're going to kill feminism like they did the first time around. Literally all they will ever accomplish in the long run, just like second wave feminists, is allying with the right to oppress transwomen. Whatever.
There are radical feminists who aren't trans exclusive though. Terfs just want to use broader vaguer terms in order to fly under the radar. It's like a nazi who just calls themselves right wing, you're burying the lede.
Well female radfems are wrong about that and most other things.
Nothing about the ideology is necessarily exclusionary (even though it portrays patriarchy as being 100% man-on-woman, with no man-on-man oppression), but dyed-in-the-wool radfems simply wouldn’t ever trust a man.
Not really, there are plenty of nationalist right and Christian right women who wouldn't be called TERF. Definitely women who are bigoted creeps but not right wing though tend to appropriate TERF arguments because it gives them an out to say 'Oh see really I'm a feminist here!' Even when they agree with almost nothing in radical feminist ideology besides their vitriolic and obsessive bigotry and hated towards transwomen.
Literally a lot of the posters on GenderCritical are in fact men who post at the Donald and other right subreddits and only view it in order to learn the latest news on the anti-trans movement. Because it's basically the largest subreddit that functions almost exclusively as an anti-trans organization. Literally it's effectively coontown with transwomen instead of niggers.
So basically she lied and said that it was a slur against lesbians and some clueless Twitter employee enabled her.
What are Terfs hoping to abolish with this campaign? Do they think that people will start liking them over different language starts being used to refer to them? Language does not control thought, people who dislike you are all going to dislike you regardless of the whether or not they can say certain words. Words are just a symbol of an idea, get rid of the word and the idea still remains and people will just find a new symbol for it.
They seem to want to be called 'feminist'. Which of course doesn't work because they're a small minority within feminism, mostly used as a tool of the far right to attack transwomen in nations where feminism is more popular than Christianity.
Sometimes they relent and use 'radical feminist'. Which of course doesn't work either because there are plenty of radical feminists who are not trans exclusive.
The only real unifying feature of these women really, is their dislike of transwomen. But point that out and you've caused endless outrage. Why should TERF's be allowed in feminist spaces at all? Did anyone consent to that? No I'm pretty certain it's impossible for anyone to consent to a TERF.
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1 SnapshillBot 2019-03-14
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1 EasySchmitty 2019-03-14
Yikes y’all! It’s O V E R for femcels 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2019-03-14
They didn't remove that tweet because it had the word "TERF" in it. I'm pretty sure it was more along the lines of "antagonizing behavior/harassment" etc. She's a dumb faggot who just wants validation for being a cunt online 😂
1 EasySchmitty 2019-03-14
It’s the same with ♿️MAGA♿️babbies crying about oppression. Doesn’t change the fact, however, that it’s 🧟♂️ OVER 🧟♂️ for femcels.
1 Wopitikitotengo 2019-03-14
'' stupid tranny fucks, you just want real women to suffer I hope you all kill yourselves''- femcel on twitter
''hi ladies I just got sooooo much hate from these MEN just for saying I want to be left alone to be a women in my wimenz spaces doing wimenz things like flicking my bean to Andrea dworkin 😭😭😭😭 why to tif hate us so much??? 😭😭😭😭😭'' - femcel on GC
1 IHeartCommyMommy 2019-03-14
STOP BEING SO ACCURATE
1 captainpriapism 2019-03-14
unlike all other twitter users
1 Osterion 2019-03-14
I think u misunderstand. This is good for femcels. Femcels are back
1 janniekilla 2019-03-14
mentally ill females vs dudes with open wounds for a pussy
whoever wins planet earth is doomed
1 newcomer_ts 2019-03-14
Ugh...
1 SansSoIeiI 2019-03-14
is this how the Romans felt?
1 Hell__Yea__Brother 2019-03-14
Didn't you watch the History channel's documentary on Caesar being a furry?
1 PussSLayerX69X 2019-03-14
Whole senate yiffing caesar must have been terrifying.
1 WearerOfAsshats 2019-03-14
Wanting someone to chop ya dick off seems a little mentally ill too tho.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
but he’s referring to people who’ve already got their dicks chopped off. illness solved
1 WearerOfAsshats 2019-03-14
That's like saying someone who had depression killing themselves is cured of depression.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
No it’s not lol, because it doesn’t kill them
That being said, a dead people can’t be depressed, so
1 WearerOfAsshats 2019-03-14
Just like chopping your dick off. That's just my opinion though.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
that’s a pretty weird opinion tbh. what if it got gangrene?
1 WearerOfAsshats 2019-03-14
I was referring to someone with gender dysphoria or whatever they call it.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
If dick removal is a necessary part of the treatment, then so be it. It’s not always a step though, and it’s never the first step.
On the other hand, if your dick got gangrene, you’d want to get it chopped off ASAP before it killed ya
1 WearerOfAsshats 2019-03-14
I mean in regards to gangrene yeah. I just feel like this is so similar to how people viewed lobotomy a few decades ago. Everyone's entitled to their opinions though.
1 Quietus42 2019-03-14
You think you get to have your own opinion? This is Reddit sweaty.
1 cheers_grills 2019-03-14
It's not only cure of depression, it's also a cure for society.
1 nullcrash 2019-03-14
Maybe we should start looking at it that way and we'll eventually just be done with depression.
1 niczar 2019-03-14
Well, at least they don't reproduce. That's a solution, in the long term.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
that’s the spirit
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
IMO it's a pretty good sign they're for real. So many other societal movements have no cost burden associated with it, people come and go as they please. When transwomen are like 'nah don't need this anymore' about their goddamn dick and balls, that shows dedication, I appreciate that.
1 captainpriapism 2019-03-14
thats just because they were lied to and told itd make them a real woman
1 Quietus42 2019-03-14
But you can't deny the dedication.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
but now they’re told they don’t have to so it balances out
1 RightsideDownDaniel 2019-03-14
I mean, gender dysphoria is a real illness. But would you rather have a dead man, or a happy woman? Whoops! Forgot the sub Im in! Don’t answer that.
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1 watermark08 2019-03-14
Nah it's pretty simple, you just take a dick and smoosh things around until it's roughly in the shape of a pussy. And then you throw away whatever wouldn't fit. Pretty simple really.
1 Saleri96 2019-03-14
it's over for planetcels
1 newcomer_ts 2019-03-14
The only ban I regret is the one I got at GC.
1 squishles 2019-03-14
You knew golden coral wasn't going to let you back in after that display of savagery.
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
They'll literally ban you for being a man.
Weirdly they apparently let in self hating transwomen who agree to refer to themselves as 'trans identifying males' and a base themselves. It really is baffling that a trans person would post there. You'd think they would be banned along with all other people that reveal they had or once had a penis or any clitoris of abnormal size, but whatever.
It's funny, they often make really broad generalizations about transwomen right? Like an transwomen are rapists. Then a self hating transwomen will be like 'Oh FYI I don't personally rape but thanks kind lady'. Then they'll be utterly outraged, 'THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOUR #NOTALL YOU RAPIST PIECE OF SHIT'.
You would think that an argument of the sort:
Proposition: All y are x
Argument: I am of y, I am not x, therefore the proposition is not true
Would be perfectly valid logically? But somehow regurgitating 'hashtag notall' has forever rendered such logic invalid.
1 KokomoOReily 2019-03-14
I'm embarrassed by all paragraphs I've typed to /r/drama on Adderall
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1 wwaalleess 2019-03-14
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1 Diedjies 2019-03-14
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And it's very fun to say
1 sadderreborn 2019-03-14
An mg 42 way to say faggot
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1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-14
Sounds good in the text to speech
1 WreckingYourHome 2019-03-14
its fat thot
1 EarnestNoMeta 2019-03-14
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1 shaneoffline 2019-03-14
If any word can become a slur, can any slur become a regular word?
Imagine a day when we can give proper use to the nword
1 sokolovey 2019-03-14
One slur has become common: Gamer
1 JurijFedorov 2019-03-14
Too afraid to spell nigger on r/Drama...
1 shaneoffline 2019-03-14
I said it ironically
1 TheMayorOfHounslow 2019-03-14
OOF moooods I see some problematic speech y'all somebody ban this incel
1 White_Dudeness 2019-03-14
Slur!
1 DO_NOT_PM_ME 2019-03-14
it's ok he has the i-word pass
1 White_Dudeness 2019-03-14
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1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-03-14
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1 Unkill_is_dill 2019-03-14
Heated Gamer moment
1 fernguts 2019-03-14
Y'all are a bunch of n@gger f@gg@t inc@ls.
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-14
>matyo
What did he mean by this? 🤔
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
nagger
1 SansSoIeiI 2019-03-14
together we form a mighty faggot
1 KingWayneX 2019-03-14
Like putting our dicks next to each other in one cock ring?
1 KingWayneX 2019-03-14
Like being gypped or welshing on a bet? almost fits the bill: indian giver. italian tune up. mexican standoff.
1 xHillxLaxHillx 2019-03-14
Twitter’s rules on what counts as harassment honestly make no sense, you can literally promote killing someone and be fine but they’ll ban you for telling a writer to “learn to code”
1 citoxe4321 2019-03-14
um sweaty context matters, that was a coordinated attack :)
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
this but unironically
1 Van-Diemen 2019-03-14
Are all memes "coordinated"?
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
I guess? Most aren’t coordinated as “harrassment” against specific (though totally arbitrary) people though, like L2C was
“Learn to code” only offends me because of how jaw-droppingly retarded they were about the whole thing. It’s actually frustrating to explain how stupid it was because it was so fundamentally nonsensical on every level.
The choice of target was dickish and made no sense (none of the targets did anything besides being former “journalists” lol), the message was stupid, and it’s responding to something that never happened (bc journalists never told miners to learn to code, especially not the ones they were harrassing).
Then ONE GUY gets suspended for keeping it up AFTER A WARNING, and now it’s “Twitter will ban you if you tell journalists to learn to code! Why are they such a protected class??”
1 IllustriousQuail 2019-03-14
That makes perfect sense: if it offends someone the Twitter ministry of truth & sensitivity likes, then it's harassment. If you threaten to kill an Alex Jones fan, that's free speech.
1 KingWayneX 2019-03-14
Or offer sex to someone to hurt a 17yo catholic kid.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
what
1 IllustriousQuail 2019-03-14
There was some SNL writer who offered to blow anyone who beat-up the smirking MAGA kid.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
Sounds serious!
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1 watermark08 2019-03-14
Cry more bitch. The gear right is treated with a much softer hand than any other group. If the far right were black or Muslim they would've been banned from every platform long ago.
1 IllustriousQuail 2019-03-14
wow rude!
1 error404brain 2019-03-14
Twitters rulkes are like reddit's, very simple.
Don't do anything that will end up with articles being written about how bad and problematic the website is.
1 aqouta 2019-03-14
Learning to code is a more dangerous thing to twitter.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
you can also get banned for promoting killing someone and tell a writer to “learn to code” and be fine
there’s this thing called “context,” I think Kanye invented it
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
On Facebook I loyally reported someone for saying they wanted to torture Syrian migrant children to death and it was judged OK.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
did they end it with something like “but I won’t”?
1 tHeSiD 2019-03-14
quick someone make a thread in twox about this horrible misuse of the report button
1 i_am_thot 2019-03-14
You guys believed it
1 wfwfwfqwfqwef 2019-03-14
Do your part to keep our community healthy by blowing everything out of proportion and making literally everything as dramatic as possible.
1 citoxe4321 2019-03-14
is this youtube channel just some random dude who uploads JRE clips? thats hilarious if its the case
1 Lolokayeveryone 2019-03-14
Say it with me: trans-“women” are women!
1 sadderreborn 2019-03-14
Women or womyn?
1 Lolokayeveryone 2019-03-14
feemales
1 callaghanrs 2019-03-14
reeeeemales*
1 Unkill_is_dill 2019-03-14
Wait, doesn't TERF just mean Trans exclusionary radical feminist? How is that a slur, lmao?
1 LuxuriousBottleCap 2019-03-14
Rad Fems call themselves Rad fems - not TERFS
They don't define themselves by trans. They define themselves by their vagina and the 40lb fupa which acts as a rape shield.
1 Unkill_is_dill 2019-03-14
Then what exactly is the difference between a Terf and a garden variety feminist? Trans thing is the only thing separating them.
1 -Mopsus- 2019-03-14
There are more differences between LibFems and RadFems than the trans exclusionary part. Especially when it comes to issues like sex work, pornography, and various sexual fetishes. RadFems are extremely opposed to all of those things.
They're kind of like the more conservative strain of feminism although most of them aren't conservatives in the conventional sense.
RadFems also differentiate between "equality" (bad/what LibFems want) and "liberation" (good/what they want).
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
hey wait radfems don’t necessarily hate kinks. they hate the idea of people being open or comfortable with their kinks, because that’s obviously a slippery slope to objectifying women
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
There are trans inclusive radical feminists, so you can't be that broad. Terfs just like to vaguely refer to themselves as radical feminist because they know if they are called by any word that specifies their view on transwomen people will immediately show them the door.
1 nullcrash 2019-03-14
lol
1 Nadare3 2019-03-14
Well, for starters, they might not define themselves by trans', but damn if you'd ever guess that from looking at the proportion trans' stuff occupies in their talks.
Secondly, radical feminists tend to be the face of feminism, so, in a way, they are the typical example of a garden variety feminist, but probably not actually the garden variety feminist, 'cause, you know, loud minority, all that.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
i mean if you’re going to /r/GenderCritical you’re gonna get a pretty specific cross-section of the wacky world of radical feminism
depends who you’re getting your “face” from
1 Nadare3 2019-03-14
Doesn't seem to be all that specific, TBH.
I think I can count the time since I've seen a non-whacky feminist be presented specifically as a feminist in months. At that point if you're a fairly rational feminist you don't have all that much to say besides "Keep going, we're on the right path", but you can't make a rally or a talk show session around that.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
literally the entire sidebar is about the TE part, not the RF part
also idk, normally when i see a “feminist writer” or whatever come on somewhere, they say a bunch of normal shit with annoying jargon
1 Nadare3 2019-03-14
What I meant is that radical feminists sort of always seem hell bent on trans' people, it's not specific to GC, not the contrary.
I gotta admit, I don't go out of my way to see level-headed feminists, but again, I don't hear about them essentially at all, while the crazy ones seem to be pretty much everywhere.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
tbf almost my whole idea of what radical feminism is comes from a few comparatively chill folks and essays written by people who probably didn’t know trans people existed. so whatever “the scene” is could be overwhelmingly TERF these days.
then again, most of the radfems I’ve met weren’t exactly in a hurry to call themselves radfems, there could be a correlation between transphobia and enthusiastically embracing controversial labels
outside political writing, they often don’t go out of their way to call themselves feminists, that could be a factor. they do get interviewed though
1 Nadare3 2019-03-14
It does seem to be kind of painting a target on your face, I think, yeah.
Probably, I mean, most of the radfem arguments for transphobia are rooted in the belief that they're men, which means they're dangerous, which obviously implies men are dangerous. This means they're probably pretty big on the whole "the patriarchy hates women" stuff and all, which in turn probably gives them a pretty low opinion of society. Doesn't help that if you're holding those views, you probably also aren't having a great time either, what with believing half of the world is rigging life against you, so why bother giving a f#ck about what people you hate think ?
So yeah, I can see how people who end up at the radfem end of transphobia (As in, at least overtly justified by essentially man-hating) would tend not to have reservations about the label.
That's why I said in my original comment that I didn't see "non-whacky feminist[s] be presented specifically as [...] feminist[s]". I know non-whacky feminists exist, hell, I do kind of agree that many people are feminists of sort even without claiming or even accepting the label in some measure, but they just don't serve as the face of feminism precisely because they don't make any association they might have with feminism known.
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1 watermark08 2019-03-14
TERF's are an outgrowth of second wave feminism. Second wave feminism was bra burning all sex is rape stuff. They hated sex, they kind of just wanted to be men and eliminate everything that is feminine, get rid of bras, makeup, dresses, anything that specifically marked them as female was an artificial imposition by society and a form of bondage. Feminism became extremely unpopular in the 80s and 90s in reaction to them, women didn't want to identify as feminist because they were afraid they'd be viewed as manly and frigid and nobody would want to date them.
Third wave feminism (what is often today called 'liberal feminism', and is largely responsible for the modern return to popularity of feminism) developed as a reaction to these excesses. Third wave feminists wanted to be girly and viewed girly things as just as valid as masculine ones. They went out of their way to call themselves 'sex positive', that way they could be viewed as sexy and wouldn't be seen as frigid like the second wave types.
It was wildly successful of course in spreading its message. You'd never get Beyonce and such saying 'I'm a feminist' in second wave times. Beyonce to second wave types would be viewed as some sort of stripper I guess enslaved to the male gaze. However there were a lot of excesses... it became very broadly defined, you got people saying things like 'feminism means both sexes are equal'. Which of course is a bit of a stretch. As well it was so accepting, that you eventually had a bunch of 'male feminists' slither there way in pretending to be woke to fuck some pretty, sex positive feminist. Many of these turned out to in fact be creepy rapists in the metoo era.
Now there's a counterrevolution of sorts going on, women who identify more with the second wave bra burners are calling themselves radical feminists. You know, totally ban sex work, all men are rapists and it's impossible to have consensual sex with them, throw out your oppressive feminine grooming habits, keep all men at arms length and separated. And also exclude transwomen because they're just men trying to rape our spaces with their presence or something. Like second wave feminists allied with the Christian right to ban medical coverage of transition, the radical feminists are allied with the modern nationalist right to try and quash the burgeoning trans rights movement. Massive buzz kills and moralizers basically that you just want to roll your eyes at and tell them to shut up and make your sandwich.
They're not going to succeed, they're going to kill feminism like they did the first time around. Literally all they will ever accomplish in the long run, just like second wave feminists, is allying with the right to oppress transwomen. Whatever.
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1 gilmore606 2019-03-14
the second wave feminists were right though. girly shit really is a self-imposed bondage.
1 wow___justwow 2019-03-14
there is no god
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
but not all radfems are TERFs
that’s why they’re called “TERFs” and bot “ERFs”
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
There are radical feminists who aren't trans exclusive though. Terfs just want to use broader vaguer terms in order to fly under the radar. It's like a nazi who just calls themselves right wing, you're burying the lede.
1 2Poop2Babiez 2019-03-14
TERF is as much as a slur against women as Nazi is a slur against mayos
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
it’s not even that. men can be TERFs too, embarrassing as that is
then again i guess we’ve all seen that Korean Nazi
1 Es_ist_Obst_im_Haus 2019-03-14
Men can't be radical feminists though, at least according to female radfems
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
Well female radfems are wrong about that and most other things.
Nothing about the ideology is necessarily exclusionary (even though it portrays patriarchy as being 100% man-on-woman, with no man-on-man oppression), but dyed-in-the-wool radfems simply wouldn’t ever trust a man.
1 NormanImmanuel 2019-03-14
Because it's used against any woman who isn't comfortable with chicks with dicks everywhere, regardless of wheter they're RFs or not.
I mean, they could just not give a shit, but we're talking twitter here, the bottom of the barrel was scraped long ago.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
But why are admitted radfems concerned about it then?
1 NormanImmanuel 2019-03-14
Yeah, I was trying to explain why TERF could be considered a "term of abuse". Femcels, as usual, are gonna femcel.
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
Not really, there are plenty of nationalist right and Christian right women who wouldn't be called TERF. Definitely women who are bigoted creeps but not right wing though tend to appropriate TERF arguments because it gives them an out to say 'Oh see really I'm a feminist here!' Even when they agree with almost nothing in radical feminist ideology besides their vitriolic and obsessive bigotry and hated towards transwomen.
Literally a lot of the posters on GenderCritical are in fact men who post at the Donald and other right subreddits and only view it in order to learn the latest news on the anti-trans movement. Because it's basically the largest subreddit that functions almost exclusively as an anti-trans organization. Literally it's effectively coontown with transwomen instead of niggers.
1 Coelacance 2019-03-14
cis "women"
1 MPHJ-7 2019-03-14
I always thought the "TERF is a slur" thing was just a meme to make fun of TERFs.
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
radical feminism has a tendency to accidentlally make fun of itself
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
/r/terfisaslur
1 Nebor 2019-03-14
These brave women are really something else. Susan B. Anthony would look on at what they've accomplished with awe.
1 djlewt 2019-03-14
"Violent tweets" let that sink in kiddos.
1 ZIIReactionzV 2019-03-14
lol why is it a slur when its literally what they are?
1 grungebot5000 2019-03-14
because they don’t like it
people give it a negative connotation, bc it’s a negative thing to be a TERF
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
They think that language controls thought, if they eliminate a mean word people will stop thinking and saying mean things to them.
1 watermark08 2019-03-14
So basically she lied and said that it was a slur against lesbians and some clueless Twitter employee enabled her.
What are Terfs hoping to abolish with this campaign? Do they think that people will start liking them over different language starts being used to refer to them? Language does not control thought, people who dislike you are all going to dislike you regardless of the whether or not they can say certain words. Words are just a symbol of an idea, get rid of the word and the idea still remains and people will just find a new symbol for it.
They seem to want to be called 'feminist'. Which of course doesn't work because they're a small minority within feminism, mostly used as a tool of the far right to attack transwomen in nations where feminism is more popular than Christianity.
Sometimes they relent and use 'radical feminist'. Which of course doesn't work either because there are plenty of radical feminists who are not trans exclusive.
The only real unifying feature of these women really, is their dislike of transwomen. But point that out and you've caused endless outrage. Why should TERF's be allowed in feminist spaces at all? Did anyone consent to that? No I'm pretty certain it's impossible for anyone to consent to a TERF.
My point is, go punch a TERF.
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1 wfwfwfqwfqwef 2019-03-14
edit out the last line and I will reapprove.
1 ElonMuskarr 2019-03-14
Tayposter over the moon rn
1 YEET_ON_THEM_LIBS 2019-03-14
Every post on /r/GC brings me closer to the light of homosexuality
1 193208123908 2019-03-14
>ban TERFs for saying "men aren't women"
>ban trannies for saying TERF
Is Twitter radical centrism incarnate?