I couldn’t stand SRD. The cringe there was suffocating. One idiot was whining about /r/drama being a doxxing paradise, others were circlejerking about how the sub leans slightly right but is really moderate. And as you note OP, they all fuckin whine about Daddy, altright, and idiots who can’t get laid.
That they can only talk about meaningless "cultural" differences like food and music basically disproves their root argument. History generally shows that a multicultural society will either become too decentralized to be a society, too violent to maintain itself, or too assimilated to be called multicultural in any meaningful sense of the word
Queen Elizabeth I, like James IV, employed Black musicians. The queen also had a Black maidservant. But while Elizabeth I may have enjoyed being entertained by Black people, in the 1590s she also issued proclamations against them. In 1596 she wrote to the lord mayors of major cities noting that there were 'of late divers blackamoores brought into this realm, of which kind of people there are already here to manie...'. She ordered that 'those kinde of people should be sente forth of the land'.
In 1601, Elizabeth issued a further proclamation expressing her 'discontentment by the numbers of blackamores which are crept into this realm...'
The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are not absolute states of religion the way more familiar Abrahamic religions are. Buddhists would still pray at Shinto shrines. But Buddhism still displaced Shintoism.
Yes that one black guy who was enslaved by the moors and brought to Cordoba by the Moors definitely made Yurop super diverseeee
It's like when they go on about AFRICAN ROMAN EMPERORS just because some half greek, half carthaginian dude became emperor after being born in the Provincian North Africa. As if he was as black as a Nigerian and Romans were totally woke
Turkey wasn't even Turkey in the 7th century. So that bishop was most likely just a Greek. And these "historians" love to forget that the Levant and northern Africa was invaded by muslims first.
Turks did literally not exist west of the caspian sea, how are these people such a bunch of retarded fucking liars? Historical revisionism unironically triggers me.
Turks are no genetically much different from mayos. The Turkic peoples are from Central Asia which are hapas, but Turks themselves are just Greeks who adopted the culture of their ruling Turkic class.
Turks are so different from other Turkmen due they integrated whole swaths various groups in Asia minor. But Greeks were often other ethnicities that had gotten hellenized
I'm sayng that mediterranean christians lived with the constant threat of being killed or enslaved by muslim raiders for 1400 years. It only ended when the US sailed across the atlantic to sink their asses.
What you are talking about are the barbarian corsair, which are turkish shit, which is wrong because ottomans were nationalist (and thus their colonialism was fucked up instead of a good thing).
I mean ,it's literally the case tho. Saying dhimmitude was a thing is as truthfull as the christfag saying they were oppressed before constantine, which is to say not at all.
Sidney H. Griffith, a historian of early Eastern Christianity, dismissed Bat Ye'or's dhimmitude as "polemical" and "lacking in historical method", while Michael Sells, a scholar of Islamic history and literature, describes the dhimmitude theory as nothing more than the "falsification" of history by an "ideologue".[2]
Mark R. Cohen, a leading scholar of the history of Jewish communities of medieval Islam, has criticized the term as misleading and Islamophobic.[14]
Bernard Lewis, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, states,
If we look at the considerable literature available about the position of Jews in the Islamic world, we find two well-established myths. One is the story of a golden age of equality, of mutual respect and cooperation, especially but not exclusively in Moorish Spain; the other is of “dhimmi”-tude, of subservience and persecution and ill treatment. Both are myths. Like many myths, both contain significant elements of truth, and the historic truth is in its usual place, somewhere in the middle between the extremes.[15]
This entire article is written to defend against an attack that doesn't exist, and is written as polemic against anyone who's used the term dhimmitude. I've fixed the glaring POV problems in the introduction, but they're pervasive and I don't think the article is worth the effort needed to salvage NPOV. If someone is willing to step up, fix the POV, and find examples of its relevance, it might be worth salvaging. As it is it's not notable and should be merged into dhimmi or just deleted. 76.103.244.155 (talk) 18:00, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm not religious, I just don't like when people indulge in persecution apologism. There's plenty of evidence of historical persecution of other religions by muslims, as much as there is of the persecution the other way around. The sitiation has never been black or white in the history of the world. There have always been instances and periods of both persecution and mutual cooperation and coexistance.
Sorry for using the word persecution 4 5 times there, it's hard to think in another language when you're sleepy. I was literally just about to do the bedtime wank and go to sleep. Anyways.
You're awfully close to losing sight of the way of radical centrism there honey tits. Better hold on to your cock and steer yourself back onto the true path.
And ? I am an atheist that doesn't means I don't go talk to my rabbi every week.
I just don't like when people indulge in persecution apologism.
Buddy, pointing out something(s bullshit is not persecution apologism.
Saying the indian deserved it was persecution apologism tho. But you didn't attack that one.
Sorry for using the word persecution four five times there, it's hard to think in another language when you're sleepy. I was literally just about to do the bedtime wank and go to sleep. Anyways.
Don't worry, so should I.
You're awfully close to losing sight of the way of radical centrism there honey tits. Better hold on to your cock and steer yourself back onto the true path.
Famn, radical centrism is always taking the most radical position. Muslim colonialism was good is the farthest from center political position I can make on colonisation, so it's by definition the most radical centrist one.
I am an atheist that doesn't means I don't go talk to my rabbi every week.
Burgers and their weird burger things smh.
Buddy, pointing out something(s bullshit is not persecution apologism.
It is if you claim that no systematic persecution has ever been present.
Saying the indian deserved it was persecution apologism tho. But you didn't attack that one.
I thought that was clearly a joke so I skimmed over it.
Don't worry, so should I.
Good cummies night.
Muslim colonialism was good is the farthest from center political position I can make on colonisation, so it's by definition the most radical centrist one.
The centrist position is to pretend neither was good even though it formed our current world situation, which is very nicely impregnated saturated with drama. The radical centrist position however is thinking that all colonialism was good...but also believing that everyone who defends either is a faggot and that his/her/xer opinion should be discarded immediatly as if he/she/whatever was a furry weeb. Defending european colonialism is right wing, defending islamic colonialism is left wing (because of israel lol).
I have never felt so insulted in my life. I am a proud frog.
It is if you claim that no systematic persecution has ever been present.
Okay, serious talk a moment, some cases of oppression happened, that's true. But saying it was widespread is complete bullshit.
Either way, seriously arguing about this, on r/drama is beyond retarded. None of us are scholar on the subject, and everyone know you can get anything you want supporting literally all side in history if you just search a bit for it.
The centrist position is to pretend neither was good even though it formed our current world situation, which is very nicely impregnated saturated with drama. The radical centrist position however is thinking that all colonialism was good...but also believing that everyone who defends either is a faggot and that his/her/xer opinion should be discarded immediatly as if he/she/whatever was a furry weeb. Defending european colonialism is right wing, defending islamic colonialism is left wing (because of israel lol).
I mean that was my original take on the subject :
In fact I would argue that imperialism and colonialism was good in all cases until nationalism fucked that up.
Okay, serious talk a moment, some cases of oppression happened, that's true. But saying it was widespread is complete bullshit.
Basically from what I've read it depended on whoever was in power. Sometimes they coesxited and sometimes, for example, (shilling for israel mode activated) jews were getting put into ghettos and/or slaughtered in thousands
Basically what it meant for the minorities was that whenever power changed hands they always had to guess and hope that the new guys would be reasonable. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume it wasn't a good feeling.
Either way, seriously arguing about this, on r/drama is beyond retarded. None of us are scholar on the subject, and everyone know you can get anything you want supporting literally all side in history if you just search a bit for it.
You're absolutely right actually.
By the way, this is why we need omnicide, one moment and no more history digging.
Basically from what I've read it depended on whoever was in power. Sometimes they coesxited and sometimes, for example, (shilling for israel mode activated) jews were getting put into ghettos and/or slaughtered in thousands
2/3 of those have a jewish vizir getting murdered. Sure it's pretty terrible, but for an argument that jews were oppressed, the fact that those vizirs even existed cripple it.
The vizirs weren't the reason for these attacks. The attacks happened for the sake of genociding the jews. It's actually closely related to my point, since it shows that no matter whether there was a vizir or not or on how good of a terms he was with the arab/muslim leaders, both he and his subjects could be easily slaughtered on a whim of the mob or a mob puppeteer. Also, jewish ghetto in warsaw under nazis also had a formal sort of government, but that doesn't mean they weren't being oppressed.
No, you missed my point. What I was saying was that the fact they could acceed to the job of vizir meant that they weren't oppressed (well, before the massacres that is).
No, I meant that having a vizir didn't save them from getting massacred. Like in the case of granada massacre people believed the words of some random muslim political figure and instantly went for the lynching and genocide.
Anyway, I like how that same article has both statements that "pogroms were a rare occurance in the muslim world" and that "jews couldn't attain public office as a rule and pogroms happened occasionally". It really is a pointless discussion, you're right. Nobody knows the truth anymore since it's directly tied to politics.
Nobody knows the truth anymore since it's directly tied to politics.
The truth is that like everything, there good parts, and bad ones, which isn't surprising for something with hundred of millions of people over at least a millenia.
But that's not a good take because nobody sperg if you say that.
Sicily was culturally enriched (read: constantly raided for slaves) by North Africans for about 1200 years but let's just call it "living and working together" so as to placate the woketards.
I like how they refer to some of the biggest fruitloop hardliner activist-"scholars" in the field as though they're just normal academics, too. There's an extended series of quotes from the editor of the Public Medievalist, which presently features articles such as "Queer Asgard Folk", "A Transgender Fairy Tale", "Silencing Medieval Women’s Voices—Nevertheless, She Persisted", and it goes on like that.
Articles like this are life-fuel for removekebabcels. Seeing a high-profile newspaper quote twitter trolls to try and prop obvious historical revisionism will make retards like Tarant feel vindicated in their conspiracy theories.
In 7th-century England, the well-respected archbishop of Canterbury was from Turkey
Fucking hell.
Medieval European artists also accurately depicted black people... indicating it wasn’t uncommon to see them. (Check out the Twitter account @medievalPOC for numerous examples.)
Fucking hell.
It is WaPo, I should have expected nothing out of that heap of trash.
If you use race as defined by Americans to explain everything that happens, then you need the whole world to have always had the same demographics as America. These people are just completely unequipped to deal with any society where they can't label some as "white" and others as "indigenous" or "PoC".
Medieval European artists also accurately depicted black people (read: not like blackface caricatures), indicating it wasn’t uncommon to see them.
There are literally places today where you see virtually zero black people in Europe. Where did they all go when it was common to see them hundreds of years ago?
Virtually all black people in Germany are here for less than 3 generations. If black people were common before, there should be many that can trace their ancestors for a lot longer time, way before 18th century.
And it is not just like Norway. I live in Germany and there are quite a few small towns that until recently also had virtually zero black people. And this is a time where you can fly to Africa within and not traveling forever through the desert on a camel.
And it's not just Europe. In China there were no white people 500 years ago. Except for a few traders maybe. But they didn't exist as a group of people living there.
This is just raw ideoligical driving garbage that anybody with a bit of common sense should see.
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1 BussyShillBot 2019-03-17
I couldn’t stand SRD. The cringe there was suffocating. One idiot was whining about /r/drama being a doxxing paradise, others were circlejerking about how the sub leans slightly right but is really moderate. And as you note OP, they all fuckin whine about Daddy, altright, and idiots who can’t get laid.
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1 Bluewhaleswimmer 2019-03-17
r/truereddit exchange discussing the matter
1 DerekSavageCoolCuck 2019-03-17
This is where the real drama is, fellow tards.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
True Reddit just down voted the guy who actually picked out the arguments and refuted them.
Also, "muh food".
1 kaczynskireborn 2019-03-17
That they can only talk about meaningless "cultural" differences like food and music basically disproves their root argument. History generally shows that a multicultural society will either become too decentralized to be a society, too violent to maintain itself, or too assimilated to be called multicultural in any meaningful sense of the word
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
What irritates me is that they think recipe books don't exist and the shallowness of their arguments.
McDonalds and Subway are two of the largest chains beloved by millions. Yet no one suggests mass importing Americans
1 grep_var_log 2019-03-17
Americans are more expensive to ship, true.
1 sadderreborn 2019-03-17
Yeah shipping poundage costs are a bitch
1 CPT_Clarnence 2019-03-17
Good job getting the joke, my man.
You're well on your way to bigger and better things.
1 sadderreborn 2019-03-17
.... weird flex but okay. I was basically expoubfing upon uoir joke you smug faggot
1 CPT_Clarnence 2019-03-17
Smug posting is basically my only move.
It makes me feel better about my own inadequacies.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Yet somehow their food dominates the world and no one imports them.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2019-03-17
This is something that American woketards in particular overlook. The US's melting pot paradigm is not multicultural.
1 istural 2019-03-17
literally the reason why we have compulsory education and free schooling is to enforce assimilation
1 diggity_md 2019-03-17
oh god just do it again Nikephoros Phokas, just to make this person mad.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
😂
1 gulducats 2019-03-17
This is a lie everyone knows Shakespeare invented black people when he wrote othello
1 Ferocetis 2019-03-17
C H O K E
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-03-17
Based and Moorpilled.
1 Ultrashitposter 2019-03-17
Some guy just committed a massacre, and these idiots are taking the worst angle to criticize him.
Couldn't you criticize anything else?
1 SvarogsSon 2019-03-17
these people are lunatic radicals who are ok with mass murder under the right conditions, so they gotta
1 Zozbot 2019-03-17
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1 TreLoon 2019-03-17
This but unironically
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
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1 nomad1c 2019-03-17
the history of european demographics according to woke twitter:
4000 BC to 1920 AD - 33% white, 66% non white 1920-1950 - slide missing 1950 - 95% white, 5% non white 2000 - 87% white, 13% non white
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Damn, white people started flooding Europe when the Ottoman Empire started fragmenting.
1 MPHJ-7 2019-03-17
It was already gone
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
It lingered around for a few years but you're right should've said when it was fragmenting.
1 BeiberFan123 2019-03-17
These same people don’t realize that the countries they regard as white are actually pretty diverse when you don’t simplify them as... well white.
I mean Hungary was settled by nomads who may have been more Asian than Middle eastern.
1 Frptwenty 2019-03-17
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/early_times/elizabeth.htm
1 Cho-Dai 2019-03-17
I say old chap, indubitably based.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Good Queen Bess wanted to MEGA.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-03-17
She did make England Again 😍
1 IDFSHILL 2019-03-17
Do people do this with other regions of the world? Like do they show up and start talking about how Japan totally wasn't always Japanese or Asian?
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Other places wouldn't allow them to this type of shit now would they ?
1 Currycell92 2019-03-17
These twerps would have a bushido up their Gussy if tehy dared.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
And they deserve nothing less.
1 razzmataz 2019-03-17
Well, they did have their own pet minority, the Ainu.
1 voytke 2019-03-17
they do with with Yurop cos it was most influential through history, an they want to claim heritage. basically we wuz kangs 2.0
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
Tbf, japan wasn't very japanese. I remember shinto getting cucked by buddhism as an exemple.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Was that because Gen McArthur forced the Emperor to declare himself mortal and stuff ?
I could be wrong however.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_Japan
Nah, it's far older.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Thank you for this. Strange, because one associates Japan with Shinto not Buddhism unlike Thailand.
1 xthek 2019-03-17
The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are not absolute states of religion the way more familiar Abrahamic religions are. Buddhists would still pray at Shinto shrines. But Buddhism still displaced Shintoism.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
You're right, Buddhists do pray at Shinto sites yet few claim to be Shinto.
1 sadrice 2019-03-17
Zen is a type of Buddhism.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
You're right, it is. I just thought it was some peace of mind yoga thing.
1 Pepperglue 2019-03-17
They like to claim they are completely Japanese, while conveniently forgetting they had some Korean blood
...Come to think of it, I would be upset if I am forced to admit I am related to Koreans.
1 CPT_Clarnence 2019-03-17
Japanistan was very based and anti-Mayo for a long time back in the day.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Checkmate cuckservatives Europe was only 98% white.
1 snowkarl 2019-03-17
99, everyone from Turkey was actually Greek so only old Othello left :(
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Still sweaty 1% were non white hence Europe early on recognised, Diversity Is Our StrengthTM .
1 snowkarl 2019-03-17
Yes that one black guy who was enslaved by the moors and brought to Cordoba by the Moors definitely made Yurop super diverseeee
It's like when they go on about AFRICAN ROMAN EMPERORS just because some half greek, half carthaginian dude became emperor after being born in the Provincian North Africa. As if he was as black as a Nigerian and Romans were totally woke
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Exactly. If one Roman Emperor was African so of course Europe was totes diverseTM .
1 Blinwar 2019-03-17
CMV: Media wokeness is the number one radicalization factor
1 TheSubredditPolice 2019-03-17
no
1 lannister_stark 2019-03-17
Turkey wasn't even Turkey in the 7th century. So that bishop was most likely just a Greek. And these "historians" love to forget that the Levant and northern Africa was invaded by muslims first.
1 Patsy02 2019-03-17
Turks did literally not exist west of the caspian sea, how are these people such a bunch of retarded fucking liars? Historical revisionism unironically triggers me.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
That guy admits and is proud to be a revisionist.
To use a favourite word of these people, the guy in the article engages in a strawman. Few think Europe was 100% white yet it wasn't "diverse".
1 193208123908 2019-03-17
It was only 99.999% White, but mostly because Finnish people are just descendants of Steppe nomads.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
That makes sense.
1 SGautam64 2019-03-17
Turks are no genetically much different from mayos. The Turkic peoples are from Central Asia which are hapas, but Turks themselves are just Greeks who adopted the culture of their ruling Turkic class.
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2019-03-17
Turks are so different from other Turkmen due they integrated whole swaths various groups in Asia minor. But Greeks were often other ethnicities that had gotten hellenized
1 Patsy02 2019-03-17
I know, contemporary Turks are really just Anatolians who got cucked by central Asians with ADD.
1 BilalChhapariya 2019-03-17
Rural Turks have some actual Turkic blood though. It's the urban people who are mainly Native Anatolian.
1 Patsy02 2019-03-17
Actual Turkish Turks still live as semi-nomads in the anatolian inland.
1 BilalChhapariya 2019-03-17
Most people learn history through fucking twitter, what do you expect?
1 Tetragrade 2019-03-17
Turks are just muslim greek bruh.
1 RealFunction 2019-03-17
"muh colonialism"
colonialism was objectively good.
1 BIknkbtKitNwniS 2019-03-17
Amazing how an article this bad is published in the Washington fucking Post.
Literally as a result of the Muslim conquest of Sicily. Colonialism and imperialism only count if it's done by mayos.
1 xlhat 2019-03-17
Sweaty the other colonisers weren't racists. They just slaughtered people who were inconvenient.
That's MUCH better and less dehumanising.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
Tbf, muslim imperialism and colonialism was a good thing for the conquered.
In fact I would argue that imperialism and colonialism was good in all cases until nationalism fucked that up.
1 Patsy02 2019-03-17
lmao what
What is dhimmitude? What is making the Mediterranean a hellscape for 1400 years? Also check out what they did to the indians.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
Basically myths.
What are you on, lmao.
Never, but indians always deserve it anyway.
1 Patsy02 2019-03-17
I'm sayng that mediterranean christians lived with the constant threat of being killed or enslaved by muslim raiders for 1400 years. It only ended when the US sailed across the atlantic to sink their asses.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
The first arabrian empire start in 622, buddy.
1400 years is literally impossible, you moron.
What you are talking about are the barbarian corsair, which are turkish shit, which is wrong because ottomans were nationalist (and thus their colonialism was fucked up instead of a good thing).
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
Oh wow. Incredible.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
I mean ,it's literally the case tho. Saying dhimmitude was a thing is as truthfull as the christfag saying they were oppressed before constantine, which is to say not at all.
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
Any sources to back up your history revisionism?
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude#Criticism
Literally three second on google.
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
Lul
Did you write it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dhimmitude##
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
lmao, C O P E.
ALso, you need a better rabbi if you didn't knew that was bullshit, buddy.
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
I'm not religious, I just don't like when people indulge in persecution apologism. There's plenty of evidence of historical persecution of other religions by muslims, as much as there is of the persecution the other way around. The sitiation has never been black or white in the history of the world. There have always been instances and periods of both persecution and mutual cooperation and coexistance.
Sorry for using the word persecution
45 times there, it's hard to think in another language when you're sleepy. I was literally just about to do the bedtime wank and go to sleep. Anyways.You're awfully close to losing sight of the way of radical centrism there honey tits. Better hold on to your cock and steer yourself back onto the true path.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
And ? I am an atheist that doesn't means I don't go talk to my rabbi every week.
Buddy, pointing out something(s bullshit is not persecution apologism.
Saying the indian deserved it was persecution apologism tho. But you didn't attack that one.
Don't worry, so should I.
Famn, radical centrism is always taking the most radical position. Muslim colonialism was good is the farthest from center political position I can make on colonisation, so it's by definition the most radical centrist one.
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
Please stop with the spaces.
Burgers and their weird burger things smh.
It is if you claim that no systematic persecution has ever been present.
I thought that was clearly a joke so I skimmed over it.
Good
cummiesnight.The centrist position is to pretend neither was good even though it formed our current world situation, which is very nicely
impregnatedsaturated with drama. The radical centrist position however is thinking that all colonialism was good...but also believing that everyone who defends either is a faggot and that his/her/xer opinion should be discarded immediatly as if he/she/whatever was a furry weeb. Defending european colonialism is right wing, defending islamic colonialism is left wing (because of israel lol).1 error404brain 2019-03-17
I have never felt so insulted in my life. I am a proud frog.
Okay, serious talk a moment, some cases of oppression happened, that's true. But saying it was widespread is complete bullshit.
Either way, seriously arguing about this, on r/drama is beyond retarded. None of us are scholar on the subject, and everyone know you can get anything you want supporting literally all side in history if you just search a bit for it.
I mean that was my original take on the subject :
But I agree it's a good take.
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1 error404brain 2019-03-17
lmao.
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
Oh. That kinda makes sense I guess.
Basically from what I've read it depended on whoever was in power. Sometimes they coesxited and sometimes, for example, (shilling for israel mode activated) jews were getting put into ghettos and/or slaughtered in thousands
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_Fez_massacre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1465_Moroccan_revolt
Basically what it meant for the minorities was that whenever power changed hands they always had to guess and hope that the new guys would be reasonable. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume it wasn't a good feeling.
You're absolutely right actually.
By the way, this is why we need omnicide, one moment and no more history digging.
Oh, my bad then.
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1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
Oh come on.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
2/3 of those have a jewish vizir getting murdered. Sure it's pretty terrible, but for an argument that jews were oppressed, the fact that those vizirs even existed cripple it.
Either way have a nice day.
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
The vizirs weren't the reason for these attacks. The attacks happened for the sake of genociding the jews. It's actually closely related to my point, since it shows that no matter whether there was a vizir or not or on how good of a terms he was with the arab/muslim leaders, both he and his subjects could be easily slaughtered on a whim of the mob or a mob puppeteer. Also, jewish ghetto in warsaw under nazis also had a formal sort of government, but that doesn't mean they weren't being oppressed.
You too.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
No, you missed my point. What I was saying was that the fact they could acceed to the job of vizir meant that they weren't oppressed (well, before the massacres that is).
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
No, I meant that having a vizir didn't save them from getting massacred. Like in the case of granada massacre people believed the words of some random muslim political figure and instantly went for the lynching and genocide.
Anyway, I like how that same article has both statements that "pogroms were a rare occurance in the muslim world" and that "jews couldn't attain public office as a rule and pogroms happened occasionally". It really is a pointless discussion, you're right. Nobody knows the truth anymore since it's directly tied to politics.
1 error404brain 2019-03-17
The truth is that like everything, there good parts, and bad ones, which isn't surprising for something with hundred of millions of people over at least a millenia.
But that's not a good take because nobody sperg if you say that.
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-03-17
Umm sweaty I just looked and Wikipedia says Dhimmitard page has “MULTIPLE ISSUES” so therefore it’s cancelled.
1 ineed750bucks 2019-03-17
Wrong comment brah
1 speaksamerican 2019-03-17
It's not even an opinion piece.
What the fuck is happening to the news?
1 sup3r_hero 2019-03-17
Are you telling me that the right- and leftwing media are trying to push an agenda?? I’m shocked!!!
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-03-17
Communication majors happened.
1 diggity_md 2019-03-17
Sicily was culturally enriched (read: constantly raided for slaves) by North Africans for about 1200 years but let's just call it "living and working together" so as to placate the woketards.
1 Harradar 2019-03-17
I like how they refer to some of the biggest fruitloop hardliner activist-"scholars" in the field as though they're just normal academics, too. There's an extended series of quotes from the editor of the Public Medievalist, which presently features articles such as "Queer Asgard Folk", "A Transgender Fairy Tale", "Silencing Medieval Women’s Voices—Nevertheless, She Persisted", and it goes on like that.
1 Singulaire 2019-03-17
Articles like this are life-fuel for removekebabcels. Seeing a high-profile newspaper quote twitter trolls to try and prop obvious historical revisionism will make retards like Tarant feel vindicated in their conspiracy theories.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2019-03-17
1 voytke 2019-03-17
take outliers and present them as average case, classic journalism
1 King_Drumpf 2019-03-17
Shakespeare and Da Vinci were actually strong black queens!
1 SterlingPeach 2019-03-17
Absolutely retarded
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2019-03-17
Speaking as a Czech, MedievalPOC is unbelievably stupid. ]#GellMannAmnesia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect)
1 Pepperglue 2019-03-17
Fucking hell.
Fucking hell.
It is WaPo, I should have expected nothing out of that heap of trash.
1 Redactor0 2019-03-17
If you use race as defined by Americans to explain everything that happens, then you need the whole world to have always had the same demographics as America. These people are just completely unequipped to deal with any society where they can't label some as "white" and others as "indigenous" or "PoC".
1 tschwib 2019-03-17
There are literally places today where you see virtually zero black people in Europe. Where did they all go when it was common to see them hundreds of years ago?
Virtually all black people in Germany are here for less than 3 generations. If black people were common before, there should be many that can trace their ancestors for a lot longer time, way before 18th century.
And it is not just like Norway. I live in Germany and there are quite a few small towns that until recently also had virtually zero black people. And this is a time where you can fly to Africa within and not traveling forever through the desert on a camel.
And it's not just Europe. In China there were no white people 500 years ago. Except for a few traders maybe. But they didn't exist as a group of people living there.
This is just raw ideoligical driving garbage that anybody with a bit of common sense should see.