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I’m not denying it doesn’t happen, but to assume all people who wear mascot costumes, or are furries, smoke crack and fuck all day in costume is a massive fallacy.
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Imagine committing one of the dumbest crimes possible, and getting away because the local PD is somehow even dumber. I'd be smug as fuck too, we truly live in the greatest timeline.
He may not be "politically connected", but if you think the case against him was dropped for anything but political reasons from higher up, then you belong in /r/politics.
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It's the smart thing to do, tbh. Paying voluntarily would basically be the same as admitting guilt. Let 'em sue and see if they win, if they do and you're forced to pay, that's very different.
Doing anything that could legally be interpreted as admitting guilt, like saying "I'm sorry" after being in a car accident is extremely stupid. Jussie paying the money is basically the equivalent of doing just that. Having common sense and a sense of self preservation != NPC you fucking mong.
Right, but this isn't the same as settling a case. This is CPD saying "You made us spend $130k to investigate a false report, so we want you to reimburse us." and Jussie saying "Shit, you right." and paying the $130k. It's not a settlement, it's a reimbursement.
Right, but this isn't the same as settling a case.
Yeah, it is. The City threatened a civil suit to recover the costs of investigation. It is seeking a civil, not criminal, remedy. Smollett could have settled that suit with the City for an undisclosed amount and no admission of wrongdoing (and no associated legal consequences beyond being obligated to pay the money).
Instead, he went the more dramatic route, and god bless him for it.
But a civil settlement would not exclude him from future criminal prosecution. If he settles with the city, that makes him look pretty fucking guilty regardless of any actual admission and provided a DA who isn't on the take is elected or appointed before the statute of limitations runs out, the threat of future prosecution is real.
No, the criminal settlement (plea agreement) already did that. (Also, there are statutes that forbid using a civil settlement as evidence of guilt in a subsequent criminal trial.)
The criminal charges have already been resolved and dismissed with prejudice. Charging him again for the same incident would be barred, sort of like double jeopardy (it's not technically "double jeopardy" but the same basic rule would apply).
Wait a minute. There was actually a fucking plea agreement in the criminal case? I thought they just withdrew the charges. How the fuck did they make a deal without him pleading guilty or even an admission of guilt? Like when has the DA, in any jurisdiction, ever voluntarily taken a complete L without going to trial?
Damn straight, these fucking refugees need to integrate into the superior drama culture. Imagine thinking one could just waltz in here, fresh off the latest banned right wing sub, and just shit all over hard working dramatards' ancient and venerable culture? Busy nationalism, that's what we need.
Winning a civil case against Jussie still proves his guilt, just not beyond a reasonable doubt. If it goes to court and he loses, then that would have been worse than paying voluntarily. He's taking his chances with a jury and my non-lawyer guess is that he might be able to get a more favorable jury in a civil court than a criminal one.
Another significant distinction between civil and criminal cases is what it takes for a party to win a case. In either trial, the accuser must meet a burden of proof—essentially an obligation to prove or back up the claims being made. Criminal cases, and the serious penalties that can accompany them, require a higher bar to be met than civil cases. In criminal law, the standard is that the accused are guilty of committing a crime “Beyond a reasonable doubt.”
For civil cases, the burden of proof is lower—usually based on the “Preponderance of evidence” or “Clear and convincing” standards. These different standards can seem a bit frustrating to those who aren’t familiar with them. You’ve likely heard of criminal cases where the evidence makes the accused seem like they’re probably guilty but they were not convicted. In these cases, criminal defense attorneys worked to poke holes in the credibility of the evidence and witnesses presented to create reasonable doubt among jurors.
Saying that the standards of proof are much lower in civil cases than in criminal cases, so winning a civil case is much easier than a criminal one. Apples and oranges, dude.
Yes, this is why I explicitly said "not beyond a reasonable doubt". It's not apples to oranges. Losing a civil case still means he has been proven culpable, just under a looser standard. They're still going to produce evidence that he lied, whereas if he did not fight this, it would blow over.
It's the idea that he needs to be careful not to admit to what 98% of the nation already knows he did, is what I find funny. All he's doing is ensuring that the spotlight stays on him, his legal bills continue to go up (along with the penalties and interest on the $130k). And people in this thread are saying it's a smart move? LOL it's as consistently stupid as everything he'd done to date.
Aw, Jussie you messed up. Now they get to haul you to court and put on all the evidence they didn't get to present in the criminal case. Shoulda just paid that bill, son. Shoulda just paid that bill.
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Don’t you people think it’s ironic that Daddy defense force is obsessed with this story while they couldn’t care less that the DA that lets Jerrefy Epstine off is currently working at the Whitehouse 🤔🤔🤔
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1 shaneoffline 2019-04-05
Imagine how solid his brass ones feel juking the justice system like this
1 Kat_B0T 2019-04-05
Honestly this is just reparations for all of the injustices of the past.
1 shaneoffline 2019-04-05
OJ died for this
1 Kat_B0T 2019-04-05
OJ is alive you’re thinking about Rodney king
1 Zcrash 2019-04-05
OJ killed Rodney King for this.
1 Kat_B0T 2019-04-05
I actually thought Rodney King was still alive, and was trying to be funny. TIL Rodney king died in 2012 from chronic high blood pressure.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-04-05
The juice is still on the loose lmao
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-04-05
imagine how easy its going to be to dismiss black peoples complaints about stuff in chicago now
"oh he probably just faked it"
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1 Blizzxx 2019-04-05
Imagine committing one of the dumbest crimes possible, and getting away because the local PD is somehow even dumber. I'd be smug as fuck too, we truly live in the greatest timeline.
1 shaneoffline 2019-04-05
Ever see those videos where the monkey tugs the tigers tail
1 IFuckedZoeQuinn 2019-04-05
You mean "because you're politically connected with the Obamas, Kamala Harris and State Attorney Kim Foxx."
1 ItsSugar 2019-04-05
Jussie Who left is part of the deep state
C O P E
1 BCUOSPSEY 2019-04-05
The real cope
1 Ed__ButteredToast 2019-04-05
S😂E😂E😂T😂H😂I😂N😂G
1 shaneoffline 2019-04-05
He means you wish you were
1 Ed__ButteredToast 2019-04-05
S😂E😂E😂T😂H😂I😂N😂G
1 caffienatedjedi 2019-04-05
😴😴😴😴
1 cheers_grills 2019-04-05
S😂E😂E😂T😂H😂I😂N😂G
1 BilalChhapariya 2019-04-05
You really think a Z-tier actor who has only met those guys once at press events has that much pull??
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-05
He may not be "politically connected", but if you think the case against him was dropped for anything but political reasons from higher up, then you belong in /r/politics.
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1 sfx6c 2019-04-05
The PD was fine, thorough even, it was the DoJ that looked the other way. The police are pissed about it.
1 alot_the_murdered 2019-04-05
Not the DoJ (that's federal). It's the prosecutor's office that decided not to charge him at all. Kim Foxx has taken quite a bit of flak for it.
1 sfx6c 2019-04-05
I'm referring to Kim Foxx as, I suppose, the local DoJ. I admit that I may be using a misnomer.
1 tron_funkin_blow 2019-04-05
The fuck are you on about? The PD did their job. The DA were the ones to go full r tard.
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2019-04-05
It's the smart thing to do, tbh. Paying voluntarily would basically be the same as admitting guilt. Let 'em sue and see if they win, if they do and you're forced to pay, that's very different.
1 jwil191 2019-04-05
It’s really the only move
1 RandolphCox 2019-04-05
uh oh heere come the npcs. i have heard this exact line like 100 x about this. i am startin to feel like neo in the matrix (final scene movie 1)
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2019-04-05
Doing anything that could legally be interpreted as admitting guilt, like saying "I'm sorry" after being in a car accident is extremely stupid. Jussie paying the money is basically the equivalent of doing just that. Having common sense and a sense of self preservation != NPC you fucking mong.
1 RandolphCox 2019-04-05
where did u read that? /r/legaladvice ? i am a lawyer n considered an expert.
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2019-04-05
10 second google search, at best.
1 RandolphCox 2019-04-05
does not mean nething
1 scatfiend 2019-04-05
lole i like this guy
1 RandolphCox 2019-04-05
follow my reddit profile
1 wootfatigue 2019-04-05
Such as forfeiting his $10k bail or the alleged community service he performed?
1 BravoBravoMikes 2019-04-05
16 whole hours of community service. lol
1 IllustriousQuail 2019-04-05
Settling a case does not operate as a legal admission of guilt. That's kind of the point of a settlement.
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2019-04-05
Right, but this isn't the same as settling a case. This is CPD saying "You made us spend $130k to investigate a false report, so we want you to reimburse us." and Jussie saying "Shit, you right." and paying the $130k. It's not a settlement, it's a reimbursement.
1 IllustriousQuail 2019-04-05
Yeah, it is. The City threatened a civil suit to recover the costs of investigation. It is seeking a civil, not criminal, remedy. Smollett could have settled that suit with the City for an undisclosed amount and no admission of wrongdoing (and no associated legal consequences beyond being obligated to pay the money).
Instead, he went the more dramatic route, and god bless him for it.
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2019-04-05
OK, I see what you're saying and you're right. Still and f-slur, but you right.
1 tron_funkin_blow 2019-04-05
But a civil settlement would not exclude him from future criminal prosecution. If he settles with the city, that makes him look pretty fucking guilty regardless of any actual admission and provided a DA who isn't on the take is elected or appointed before the statute of limitations runs out, the threat of future prosecution is real.
1 IllustriousQuail 2019-04-05
No, the criminal settlement (plea agreement) already did that. (Also, there are statutes that forbid using a civil settlement as evidence of guilt in a subsequent criminal trial.)
The criminal charges have already been resolved and dismissed with prejudice. Charging him again for the same incident would be barred, sort of like double jeopardy (it's not technically "double jeopardy" but the same basic rule would apply).
1 tron_funkin_blow 2019-04-05
Wait a minute. There was actually a fucking plea agreement in the criminal case? I thought they just withdrew the charges. How the fuck did they make a deal without him pleading guilty or even an admission of guilt? Like when has the DA, in any jurisdiction, ever voluntarily taken a complete L without going to trial?
1 BigBrownDog12 2019-04-05
1 RandolphCox 2019-04-05
i love it cause u libtards always get triggered over it. even months later.
1 jamesangleton 2019-04-05
Stfu. This isn’t a conserv sub. It’s rad cent.
We dont want your dumbass “cnn talking points” shit.
Think of an original insult or gtfo
1 RandolphCox 2019-04-05
uh oh ! is the libtard triggered cause i am in his safe space ?
1 jamesangleton 2019-04-05
U rtard, check my post history. I’m a reg on thedohnald.
Im just not awtistic enough to go into a new sub and not learn their culture.
This sub isn’t for your seriousposting garbage.
Fkingdumbass
1 RandolphCox 2019-04-05
"i-i-m a don ald poster randy. p-pls stop makin fun of me. .w-we are allies right ?"
1 jamesangleton 2019-04-05
Dealing w/ rightoids this ♿️♿️♿️ makes me 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
It’s disgusting to see a child imitating an early stage Alzheimer boomer.
You don’t have to become the thing that touched you.
Do better, be better sweatie
1 RandolphCox 2019-04-05
i guess i did not think bout it the way u just put it. follow my reddit profile to prove ur n ally
1 scatfiend 2019-04-05
r-slur i hate you so much
1 StingAuer 2019-04-05
Jinkies
1 YuriKlastalov 2019-04-05
Damn straight, these fucking refugees need to integrate into the superior drama culture. Imagine thinking one could just waltz in here, fresh off the latest banned right wing sub, and just shit all over hard working dramatards' ancient and venerable culture? Busy nationalism, that's what we need.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-05
Winning a civil case against Jussie still proves his guilt, just not beyond a reasonable doubt. If it goes to court and he loses, then that would have been worse than paying voluntarily. He's taking his chances with a jury and my non-lawyer guess is that he might be able to get a more favorable jury in a civil court than a criminal one.
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2019-04-05
Civil law vs. criminal law: Burden of proof
Just sayin'.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-05
Saying what?
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2019-04-05
Saying that the standards of proof are much lower in civil cases than in criminal cases, so winning a civil case is much easier than a criminal one. Apples and oranges, dude.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-05
Yes, this is why I explicitly said "not beyond a reasonable doubt". It's not apples to oranges. Losing a civil case still means he has been proven culpable, just under a looser standard. They're still going to produce evidence that he lied, whereas if he did not fight this, it would blow over.
1 Spysix 2019-04-05
Didn't he already admit that and blamed drugs or something?
1 BravoBravoMikes 2019-04-05
It's the idea that he needs to be careful not to admit to what 98% of the nation already knows he did, is what I find funny. All he's doing is ensuring that the spotlight stays on him, his legal bills continue to go up (along with the penalties and interest on the $130k). And people in this thread are saying it's a smart move? LOL it's as consistently stupid as everything he'd done to date.
1 RecallRethuglicans 2019-04-05
Plus he can incorporate his history into his character of Empire next season
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-04-05
this guy is going to be so fucked lmao he thinks hes invincible because he knows kamala harris and the obamas
also says hes innocent still and that all that stuff happened lol
1 Ultrashitposter 2019-04-05
Dont push your luck, Jussie. Or do, for drama's sake
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-04-05
We need to mod Jussie 🤭
1 cheers_grills 2019-04-05
Democrats need to nominate him.
1 Maxwyfe 2019-04-05
Aw, Jussie you messed up. Now they get to haul you to court and put on all the evidence they didn't get to present in the criminal case. Shoulda just paid that bill, son. Shoulda just paid that bill.
1 Lenixion 2019-04-05
Cope. Jussie will unfortunately never see a day in prison.
1 Maxwyfe 2019-04-05
I wouldn’t expect a civil trial to end with a prison sentence but I’ve been surprised before.
1 degenerategoon8831 2019-04-05
Hate to say it, but there is a 100% chance this scumbag will get away with it completely again. No reason to get your hopes up
1 Ghdust2 2019-04-05
Good. Fuck M-slurs lmao.
1 UmmahSultan 2019-04-05
He personally will, but my hopes are still up that the Postal Inspector will come out with something about his patrons around October 2020.
1 Independent87 2019-04-05
That doesn't even cover a single golf trip for Donnie Moscow. lol
1 ExilesReturn 2019-04-05
But what about Drumpf!!!
1 ItsSugar 2019-04-05
Both of you should be banned for being so low iq.
1 ExilesReturn 2019-04-05
Your face should be banned. From the public. Because it's gross. Like u
1 Independent87 2019-04-05
Orange fan mad?
1 Ed__ButteredToast 2019-04-05
Based Jussie BTFOing everybody who reeed @ him 😹👌
1 FloggingJonna 2019-04-05
The Man: Okay we’ll let you go but you could at least pay for your fuck up.
Jussie: I wouldn’t even pay child support why would I pay that?
1 POOPISTRUMP 2019-04-05
Only in America can a little lesbian black girl grow up to be a giant dickbag.
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1 POOPISTRUMP 2019-04-05
Only in America can a little lesbian African girl grow up to be a giant dickbag.
1 Ravensthrowit 2019-04-05
Don’t you people think it’s ironic that Daddy defense force is obsessed with this story while they couldn’t care less that the DA that lets Jerrefy Epstine off is currently working at the Whitehouse 🤔🤔🤔