Again, she used to be a layered character. She was a massively overpowered, self-doubting alcoholic for decades. Now she's just YASKWEENFUTUREISFEMALE, but that's just idiot writers.
I would love to see a Captain America where he interacts a team of nation themed superheroes (Focusing on South America and the middle east) and it ended with him brutally raping them all
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I only watched two seasons but the sex scenes between the blonde pretentious bitch and the huge barbarian guy were pretty fundamental to her origin as a blonde pretentious queen.
They overdid the "sexposition" where they would have characters fucking in the background while someone told a story to fill in some book plot. It served its purpose but they stopped doing it so much when they got called out.
game of thrones is a bad show filled with cringey dialogue, overpowered mary-sue characters and dumb cliché plotlines. It rips off everything it can and not a single aspect of it is original or thought-provoking
The day it goes off the air and people stop talking about it at every opportunity instead of developing personalities of their own, the world will be a far better place
Personally I think the books are poorly-written and tedious, but at least the world-building is pretty interesting. They're better than the show anyway
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Fantastic use of largely non-verbal storytelling, amazing use of editing to show multiple characters perspective of the events, excellent pacing allowing for a slow-burn, big explosion sequence, payoff for a main character getting to watch all of her enemies die, torture scene with the nun-lady and one of the best songs put to TV that perfectly creates tension and sounds amazing.
I can admit that the shows quality has dropped overall, but due to the fact I'm not a f#ggot I can also give credit to when they knock it out of the park. That sequence was a masterpiece of using all of the mediums strengths simultaneously. Just because normal people like something doesn't mean I gotta pretend it's bad.
I mean, the world building is some of the best in mainstream media, it’s reasonable by all extents and he does a pretty good job at explaining cultural history. Something like I’ve kind of liked about it is that he straight up doesn’t tell you everything, the world map looks like what it might have if it came from the time period. I agree that the story telling is lukewarm, but the world itself has merits
“Best worldbuilding in mainstream media” is a stretch. Let’s see...
Westeros has one language and like two religions, offers free education, a reasonably robust road system and mild temperatures for years at a time, and yet none of these downtrodden peasants has ever thought to storm the local lord’s fort and install a different system of governance than the abusive feudalism that’s been the norm for literally THOUSANDS of years.
You’ve got the “darkest Africa” continent, which has no civilization and whose inhabitants are literally subhuman.
You’ve got the Island of Enlightened Black People which is clearly there so Martin can have the above without being accused of racism.
You’ve got the obvious China analogue ruled by emperors who all have monosyllabic ching-chong names.
Let’s not forget the Incestuous Space Romans who were wiped out by Mega-Vesuvius.
And of course we can’t leave out the blatant, unsettling obsession with incest and castration.
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“Best worldbuilding in mainstream media” is a stretch. Let’s see...
Westeros has one language and like two religions, offers free education, a reasonably robust road system and mild temperatures for years at a time, and yet none of these downtrodden peasants has ever thought to storm the local lord’s fort and install a different system of governance than the abusive feudalism that’s been the norm for literally THOUSANDS of years.
You have multiple large groups that are a main part of the narrative whose cultural and religious beliefs can be defined as “rape and pillage are fun.”
You’ve got the “darkest Africa” continent, which has no civilization and whose inhabitants are literally subhuman.
You’ve got the Island of Enlightened Bl*ck People which is clearly there so Martin can have the above without being accused of racism.
You’ve got the obvious China analogue ruled by emperors who all have monosyllabic ching-chong names.
Let’s not forget the Incestuous Space Romans who were wiped out by Mega-Vesuvius.
And of course we can’t leave out the blatant, unsettling obsession with incest and castration.
Agreed, but I don't know how you get from there to "not all fantasy is like that". It's all just exactly that but usually with elves and dwarves thrown in the mix.
I'm not super dialed into the ~fantasy community~ but I think the Malazan series is considered the gold standard as far as worldbuilding goes.
ASOIAF is fine. I don't think it's terrible but it's very much a stereotype of what a layperson likely imagine high fantasy to be.
I also suspect one of the reasons GRRM is struggling with the final books is that he has never figured out exactly how magic works in this world, and to what degree it will factor into the endgame.
I think he's struggling because at some point it becomes a generic fight the bad games end of the world shtick and he still wants to write the political scheming stuff
hmm ahh yes the books are fantastic such as these fine scriptures from god king martin:
"Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew".
"all she could do was stand there, fevered and bleeding".
"Yezznan was burning with fever, squirming fitfully in a pool of his own excrement. His shit had turned to brown slime streaked with blood".
"Those afflicted by the pale mare were always thirsty, drinking gallons between their shits".
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ah, blood meridian, monsieur? that novel is the sark and chaparral of literature, the filament whereon rode the remuda of highbrow, corraled out of some destitute hacienda upon the arroya, quirting and splurting with main and with pyrolatrous coagulate of lobated grandiloquence. our eyes rode over the pages, monsieur, of that slatribed azotea like argonauts of suttee, juzgados of swole, bights and systoles of walleyed and tyrolean and carbolic and tectite and scurvid and querent and creosote and scapular malpais and shellalagh. we scalped, monsieur, the gantlet of its esker and led our naked bodies into the rebozos of its mennonite and siliceous fauna, wallowing in the jasper and the carnelian like archimandrites, teamsters, combers of cassinette scoria, centroids of holothurian chancre, with pizzles of enfiladed indigo panic grass in the saltbush of our vigas, true commodores of the written page, rebuses, monsieur, we were the mygale spiders too and the devonian and debouched pulque that settled on the frizzen studebakers, listening the wolves howling in the desert while we saw the judge rise out of a thicket of corbelled arches, whinstone, cairn, cholla, lemurs, femurs, leantos, moonblanched nacre, uncottered fistulas of groaning osnaburg and kelp, isomers of fluepipe and halms awap of griddle, guisado, pelancillo.
I have no idea why George RR Martin gets so much praise from feminists for writing female characters, when the sex scenes in GoT are written like scripts to bad porno's.
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I have no idea why George RR Martin gets so much praise from feminists for writing f*male characters, when the sex scenes in GoT are written like scripts to bad porno's.
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You know, I had this discussion once before with a woman who made the same claim.
Go back and read these sex scenes and the POVs that have these "cringey" lines.
These lines aren't from the perspective of Super Handsome ladies man Jaime or Sexual seductress expert Melisandre, they're written for broken, awkward characters.
They're awkward and uncomfortable because they're supposed to be, take for instance this famous line:
And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast.
This is from a 20 year old Virgin abused fatass about to lose his V-card to an inbred hill person. If it was written like the books you find in your moms sock drawer it wouldn't make sense.
Now if there was a scene with Jaime and Cersei where they're both charismatic and attractive and have chemistry and the scene was like this, it'd be bad writing. It's not in this case though.
The reason GRRM is a good writer is because he writes lines like those listed in the parent comment because it's what his characters think.
As a matter of fact, let's look through these with some context, so spoilers ahead.
"Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew".
This is the come down to Dany's big moment. She had just rode a dragon, she had looked beautiful while doing it, she could fucking fly. And now here she is, in the middle of nowhere, shitting her brains cause of the dirty water. It's supposed to be foul and gross and crude, because she isn't a queen or a conqueror right now, she is a lost teenage girl... Again.
"Yezznan was burning with fever, squirming fitfully in a pool of his own excrement. His shit had turned to brown slime streaked with blood".
"Those afflicted by the pale mare were always thirsty, drinking gallons between their shits".
Wartime descriptions of medieval diseases, not supposed to be eloquent or artsy. Disgusting, like the man who said them.
"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night."
People reference this one a lot, but never mention that it's said by a guy who is basically an in-story /r/drama too-cool-for-school insert. He is just so handsome, and so deep, and so good at sword fighting that if you don't get how cool he is, well maybe you're the one who is not so cool. It's supposed to make you cringe, the guy is desperate to be as cool as his uncle who was a Chad.
The Books are exceptionally well written because for every bit of criticism leveled against here as basic shit, there is a deeper layer to it. Jaime/Theon/Stannis the list goes on all have incredible character arcs.
And really let's go back and take a look at some of these critics in this comment section and celebrate the glorious return of Pinging.
Or /u/darth_tiffany and her comment. Oh, but she is also a Subredditdrama user and a Chapo-slur, so we should just cross her opinions out already. Oh and a nega-reddit poster. I can almost see her new wave hair cut through her comments. Guys, don't you understand that is Not Like Other GirlsTM?
or the comment by /u/The_Great_I_Am_Not nerding the fuck out about High Fantasy. Yeah, it's not high fantasy, you can tell cause it doesn't suck ass.
I'm so tired of this "Mainstream=bad", you get the same shit on band subreddits. Like /r/arcticmonkeys
"SURE GUYS I KNOW THAT THE ALBUM AM HAD PROBABLY 3 SONGS THAT WILL GO DOWN AS CLASSICS, BUT DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK THE SONGS FROM WHEN THEY WERE A GARAGE BAND WERE LE OBJECTIVELY BETTER? HA YOU LIKE DO I WANNA KNOW WHICH WAS PRODUCED EXTREMELY WELL AND WRITTEN AFTER ALEX TURNER HIT HIS PRIME? CHECK OUT THIS FAKE FAN"
So, yeah, excuse my effort post but I'm sick of these smug losers on this site constantly thinking that because you're not into something popular that you're not basic when being counter-culture for the sake of it is even more basic.
You want to say you didn't like ASOIAF? Fine. You want to say that it objectively sucks ass? Get a life.
Just like the top comment reply to me is going to be about how the user is just too cool to care about anything, and that's why he lives in a shitty 1 bedroom apartment alone.
P.S to the Great I am not, too. Wheel of Time is terrible and only popular with nerds who have time to read through a series longer than the old testament
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I was more referring to stuff like the scene in the first book where Danny gets cream-pied. What does that add to the book? It reads like Martin was jacking off while writing it.
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Arctic monkeys first album was the fastest ever selling UK album, they were hardly in a garage before am lol. Even their early eps had a huge amount of hype
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He writes from the perspectives of the characters the chapters are from. You choose Tyrion, Asha, and Sam - a midget frat bro, a literal crazy viking bitch, and a guy with self esteem so low that a poster from /r/politics would take his lunch money.
When I read A Game of Thrones when I was twelve after reading The Legend of Drizzt books and I realized you could actually kill a main character when they lopped off Ned's head and Khal Drogo died from a scratch, it was pretty gud
I first read it when I was 14. I kept flipping ahead to see when the next Daenerys chapter was because I masturbated while reading each of them. I also skipped the prologue because I confused "prologue" with "preface" and thought it was just a boring introduction.
Dragon lady and snow man are popular because they're the most generic one-dimensional overpowered characters, making them great for brainlets to identify with when their boring lives dissatisfy them
I thought the TV show was great for the first 4 seasons when it was about political backstabbing etc.
The last episode of season one had a cripple and two children throw cgi fireballs at bad cgi skeletons. It also featured a shirtless sociopath fight and easily overpower 20 good vikings who spent a whole season rowing to his house. Then the main character kills his father for no good reason because D&D thought viewers were too stupid to remember what action happened and instead just left it as he was angry about being sentenced to death when his dad told him to stop threatening to kill Joffrey and offered him the wall.
It's been a while since I saw the show, but wasn't he also angry because he had a lifelong grudge against his father who has never treated him well, and that his girlfriend betrayed him to be with his father?
But yeah I agree with you that it's retarded to kill your dad because of that.
In general I'm quite lenient of dumb shit that happens in tv shows. Like Jamie and Cersei are god damned retards but at least they are people. I much prefer that over the mindless zombie enemies in the later seasons.
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It's been a while since I saw the show, but wasn't he angry because he had a lifelong grudge against his father who has never treated him well, and that his girlfriend betrayed him to be with his father?
In general I'm quite lenient of dumb shit that happens in tv shows. It just needs to be exciting and unpredictable. Jamie and Cersei for example are god damned retards who keep digging themselves into bigger holes, but at least they are people. I much prefer that over the mindless zombie enemies in the later seasons.
Except the part where Jaime is still Cersei's bitch, this was done right and not for "no good reason".
Nope. In the show Tywin warns Tyrion to stop threatening to kill Joffrey and tries to get him sent to the wall. Tyrion decides to threaten to murder Joffrey, gets caught with the murder weapon, and then refuses to be sent to the wall. He also had no reason to go to Tywins room that night so you can take Shae out of the picture. If Tyrion wasn't a fan favorite then fewer people would justifying him killing his dad while whining about how his dad somehow knew he was innocent but sentenced him to die (nope that was you when you choose Oberyn).
Yes, until Cersei/tywin uses Shae against Tyrion which sets Tyrion off. It was the second time his family used someone he loved to crush him and humiliate him completely.
Gets caught with the murder weapon
Lol what murder weapon, Joffrey was poisoned. Tyrion was caught getting pointed at and that was enough for Tywin to condemn him to the wall or to death.
IIRC Tywin wanted Tyrion out of the picture so Jaime would be forced to inherit and Joffrey's death gave him the perfect opportunity. Tywin obviously preferred sending him to the wall to keep Jaime happy, but he had no issues letting Tyrion die.
No reason to go to Tywins room that night so you can take Shae out of the picture
His whole family besides Jaime just did a repeat of the most traumatic event of his life except this time both his freedom and his life were on the line.
No shit he wanted to kill Tywin. He doesn't need a reason. He was angry that his father willingly condemned him to death even though he knew of his innocence. It's possible that he didn't plan to kill Tywin at first, but seeing Shae up there set him off.
You seem to think that "no rational reason" = "no reason". Tyrion isn't an infallible character who acts without emotion. He's subject to making shit irrational decisions as much as the rest of us. "HURRR WHY DID HE DO DUMB THING????" idk probably cuz he's been shit on his whole life and he's had not one but two of his life's loves used to absolutely demolish him.
If you take the show on its own rights that is a fair point I think. However, having read the books before the show came out I have found the show to be an entertaining but not as deep adaptation of the novels. There are elements to GRR Martin’s writing that I find kind of cringe or boring at times compared to fantasy classics like Tolkien, but overall the series is very well written and has a lot of depth.
So I’d say there is an important difference in source material between superhero movies and fantasy epics like ASOIAF
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Depending upon where you get your information from (or can ACTUALLY READ) Martin tried to write high fantasy, but he failed.
It's horrible. A shitty story, poorly written and just bad all the way around.
And HBO made it something to make money from, and now they have to finish the story because that shitty writer, loser and all-around dumb-ass isn't even close to high quality high fantasy such as Wheel of Time, Middle Earth compendium, Stormlight, and Mazalan.
Yeah its pretty bad in the first few books, rand literally talks to a few g-slurs and egwene gets p-slurred but she grinded on a hippie for a week and that was acceptable
My main problem with the series is that I realized it felt like a Mount and Blade session -- Almost every power-holder/noble character/whatever exudes either woodenness or obnoxiousness that made me stop caring about them early on.
And seeing the scenes on TV, with the usual pacing issues such an adaptation brings, makes the grimdark scenes seem overtly purposefully placed.
I'm not a fan of the tv adaptation, because the special effects and the morality and mentality is not possible to financially recreate on tv or streaming, but it is supposedly being done.
"Hey Thom guess what moiraine just told me" said a woman who was more handsome than beautiful then crossed her arms under her breasts.
"You better watch out Aes Sedai can't lie but they can spin the truth like a top" Thom said as he harrumphed and blew out his long mustaches.
I'm only on 9 so no spoilers but the only problem I can see really is >!Lews therins voice and making the battles between channelers interesting when there basically just standing there trying to shield each other!<
You've slightly misquoted it, and it's relevant. You've got to pay attention if you're going to truly the whole story, and get the best of what's it's all about:
"An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she speaks may not be the truth you think you hear."
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These aren't really spoilers, I'm basically summarizing a prologue.
So a good way through the series, a character pops up. They had lived and died as a man, but Big Baddy brings them back to sow more chaos. Except this time, they're a womn lol. At first glance, it *is** kind of woke. The character even coming to identify with their sex.
Except with all the implications of the magic system. Magic is split between the boy and girl variety, and it comes straight from the soul. Basically, even God of that universe can't switch that shit around.
TL;DR - It doesn't matter what kind of plumbing your body has, because your soul's got balls or it doesn't.
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He's not trying to write high fantasy. He wasn't even going to have dragons in it.
It's light fantasy merged with real world politics. Unfortunately the politics became too complicated for GRRM to keep track of and HBO attracted too many casuals who wouldn't be interested in the political side so the show simplified. The action fantasy side seems like something GRRM doesn't actually like but the nature of the story kind of means that the fantasy of frost giants w-slur walkers and wyverns dragons will overtake the political side. Then you have D&D who admit they only cared about the red wedding and don't respect a lot of the characters (Stannis) and now just want a binary good vs evil story with epic hashtag moments.
That said it's a fun watch if you turn your brain off.
Malazan is just as cringe with Eriksens 62 page downs syndrome Kruppe monologues and his complete and utter inability to write a fucking climax and seems to believe in a dramaturgical flatline when it comes to pacing. The world building is the only good thing about it.
Wheel of Time sucks hard core and Stormlight lul.
All fantasy sucks in some way because it's impossible to get it right. It's just children's books for kids and someone will always complain. Aoiaf was great for the first 4ish books, all of Lotr is obviously great, the first Dune book is good but let's just admit fantasy is just capeshit for nerds
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Absolutely. Arya is unbearable (plus LMAO plot armor), Jon Snow is cringe and g8y, the dragons add nothing of interest and dumb down the plot, the Bran shit is possibly the worst subplot of all time and just looking at his dumb fucking face and the scenes with Hodor tilted the shit out of me.
his ending was extremely anti-climactic and dumb, how do you get outsmarted by Sansa for christ's sake
they had to get rid off him because the show was no longer about politics, but about superheroes tossing out one-liners getting themselves needlessly in impossible situations and getting out solely because of luck and plot-armour
the great days of red wedding or other good moments when anyone who fucked up and broke the rules of the game (don't trust nobody, show no mercy, dont fuck some doctor instead of a designated bribe and think you can get away with it) was whacked, now is the time for capeshit
if she kills him it will be because he broke one of the candinal rules (don't trust noone), not because they are playing high school girl drama in a fucking medieval castel
I agree. But she is totally going to kill the dude who is love with the young version of her mother and by proxy her and set off a whole huge war to gratify his lust.
There was no room for a political saboteur once the show finally reached its "dragons and magic" phase. This was the trap GRRM wrote himself into. There would be no way to keep having political intrigue when you had an army of undead and a kid who could see the past.
Aren't the books still around Season 5 of the show in terms of plot? I know events get mixed around/dropped in the show. That was before the "capeshit" started being emphasized.
I mean, the books' politics are still better than the show, regardless. Even if GoT had better writing for its later seasons, TV isn't really a medium that lends itself to that kind of worldbuilding. All of the things GRRM could expound on with prose have to be presented visually or through dialogue alone.
“seriously I'm ok with having an r-slur character but don't subject me to extended scenes of their r******dness it's awkard and nobody enjoys that shit.”
Stop lying there is no way you can tell who will survive a super hero movie, especially when all the characters already have two sequels in pre-production.
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I mean, if you are a dramatard who hates capeshit, then by definition this means, you expect a story that is told better. GoT is a story told better.
It got extremely popular exactly because it got so unpredictable, and it actually kills off the heroes you love.
Can you name one capeshit movie that did this? capeshit is capeshit because they are basically standardized serials told on the big screen, and nothing serious ever happens to these heroes because we all know movie producers want to keep producing sequels to these movies until the superhero fatigue sets in.
The show is now, at the beginningthere was a lot of subverting expectations and departing from cliches but the tv show would likely end with a Dreamworks style musical number the way it is shaping up.
Tolkien is to creative literary genius what Martin is to hack pulp idiocy. They both so far surpass anyone else in their field that they will be remembered 1,000 years from now as a kind of yin and yang of fantasy, a Manichaen duality of speculative letters. For every sublime, luminous beauty that Tolkien has gifted the world, Martin has cursed us with a tedious, banal ugliness. It is unfair to compare the two directly on any one point, because Martin is in every way the anti-Tolkien, patently sterile, parasitical, and inferior, but so much so that he becomes a monument in his own right, and counterbalances Tolkien. Could one exist without the other? Tolkien obviously could. But it is only by the contrast that Martin offers that we can truly appreciate the full depths and heights of Tolkien. Our understanding of Tolkien would be incomplete if Martin had never set pen to page. It is through only the abject failure and futility of Martin that we can approach an apprehension of the true scope and scale of Tolkien's hitherto inconceivable greatness. Perhaps this is what Tolkien had in mind when he wrote about the Music of the Ainur. If Tolkien is a subcreator in the image of Eru, truly Martin is like unto Melkor. It is only reflected in the awfulness of the one that we can fully see the goodness of the other.
The show has definitely gone off the rails since it went past it's source material but it is was excellent until then. This thread is just nerds jerking each other off over liking more obscure fantasy. Ending bullying was a mistake.
Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew.
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1 Cho-Dai 2019-04-10
There's wieners and boobs too
1 lilbisthegoat 2019-04-10
imagine the reaction if the next avengers whatever had a titty scene
1 Cho-Dai 2019-04-10
Turning Captain America into a brutal rapist would be quite the metaphor.
1 Crankyoldhobo 2019-04-10
Turning Captain Marvel into a brutal rapist would be a better one.
1 bugposter 2019-04-10
now i really want to see b*rie l*rson riding tsundere inc*e c*ck
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
What the fuck even is Captain Marvel? Like a publisher with super powers or something?
1 SpiceAndEvNice 2019-04-10
Extremely OP deus ex machina. Anyone arguing otherwise is a massive f(a)nb(o)y.
1 Patsy02 2019-04-10
>implying anyone is a fan of captain marvel
1 ApugalypseNow 2019-04-10
Again, she used to be a layered character. She was a massively overpowered, self-doubting alcoholic for decades. Now she's just YASKWEENFUTUREISFEMALE, but that's just idiot writers.
1 biggest_decision 2019-04-10
1 Non_Pirater1879 2019-04-10
He probably read it when he was a kid
1 ApugalypseNow 2019-04-10
Correct.
1 EndTimesRadio 2019-04-10
"RED SKULL. I KILLED HIM. I MURDERED HIS SOLDIERS. AND THEN I SPLIT HIS FACE OFF- LIKE THIS!"
1 ineedmorealts 2019-04-10
I would love to see a Captain America where he interacts a team of nation themed superheroes (Focusing on South America and the middle east) and it ended with him brutally raping them all
1 MrZakalwe 2019-04-10
Or just replacing them (new actor and name after the next scene change) whenever they talked back to him.
1 ineedmorealts 2019-04-10
Fucking brilliant
1 Rentokill_boy 2019-04-10
That's absolutely inspired haha
1 VicisSubsisto 2019-04-10
Didn't that happen to War Machine?
1 ineedmorealts 2019-04-10
Yes it did
1 ApugalypseNow 2019-04-10
Black Panther 2: Captain Belgium and the rubber hands
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1 ChipotleMayocide 2019-04-10
I want this so bad
1 pi_over_3 2019-04-10
Paul Rudd full frontal.
1 respeckKnuckles 2019-04-10
Nude tayne
1 GunOfSod 2019-04-10
N U DE T A Y N E
1 onlyonebread 2019-04-10
ngl thanos bussy would get my ass in a theater seat
1 LuxuriousBottleCap 2019-04-10
Thor's had you covered for a while. His chest and butt is bigger than Captain Marvel's.
1 The_White_Light 2019-04-10
So is Spider-man's.
1 ApugalypseNow 2019-04-10
Wow he must be built like a 12 yr old at least.
1 JonSnowgaryen 2019-04-10
I would pay big money to watch captain America titty fuck thanos
1 paTEoriginal 2019-04-10
thanos & scarlet witch
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1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
What if it's boobs but it's Brie Larsson.
Incel minds would overload.
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1 boyoyoyoyong 2019-04-10
And midgets
1 Welcometony1234 2019-04-10
M SLUR M SLUR M SLUR M SLUR M SLUR
IM LITERALLY FUCKING SHAKING RIGHT NOW HOW COULD YOU CALL SOMEONE THAT.
1 Welcometony1234 2019-04-10
I CANT BELIVE YOU WAY SAY THAT, YOU FUCKING BIGGOT. THIS IS DAFEY TRUCK’S AMERICA.
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2019-04-10
There is a lot of manlets in capeshit movies
1 Bluewhaleswimmer 2019-04-10
I was a latecel to the GoT hype. The titty scenes were a huge letdown
1 POST_BUSSY 2019-04-10
Honestly I thought most of the sex scenes were pointless. They didn't add anything to the plot.
1 Cho-Dai 2019-04-10
Didn't not add anything to the plot either tho...
1 KekistaniHistorian 2019-04-10
I remember SNL had a sketch about GoT when it first premiered. The joke was that it was directed by a 13-year-old boy.
1 WatermelonFreeze 2019-04-10
Maybe you’re thinking of the onion sketch of the 5 year old boy who wrote fast and furious 5
1 VapeOnYourNape 2019-04-10
The onion is like 6 tiers of comedy better than SNL
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1 HATA111 2019-04-10
God forbid they ever watch Heavy Metal
1 HATA111 2019-04-10
I only watched two seasons but the sex scenes between the blonde pretentious bitch and the huge barbarian guy were pretty fundamental to her origin as a blonde pretentious queen.
1 look4alec 2019-04-10
They overdid the "sexposition" where they would have characters fucking in the background while someone told a story to fill in some book plot. It served its purpose but they stopped doing it so much when they got called out.
Here's the most famous one from season one:
S-exposition Littlefinger, Ros & Armeca Brothel Scene (Baelish Love Story of Catelyn)
1 M3mph 2019-04-10
If Missandei and/or Melisande starkers don't get you up, you couldn't possibly be let down in the first place.
1 strallus 2019-04-10
Why in the world would a dramacel be aroused by titties?
1 Burnnoticelover 2019-04-10
🎵ONE WIENER NEXT TO ANOTHER WIENER🎵
1 bunkerman11 2019-04-10
In the last couple seasons there really hasn't been all that much. Too much plot, not enough gratuitous sex scenes.
1 hebrew_nationalist 2019-04-10
Capeshit is better, the dragons are the worst part
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
Ew shut up f-slur
1 GonnaNutInYourButt 2019-04-10
It is now at least. It used to be entertaining but then fat women found it and demanded it be changed to suit their sensibilities.
1 Rentokill_boy 2019-04-10
It was never good
game of thrones is a bad show filled with cringey dialogue, overpowered mary-sue characters and dumb cliché plotlines. It rips off everything it can and not a single aspect of it is original or thought-provoking
The day it goes off the air and people stop talking about it at every opportunity instead of developing personalities of their own, the world will be a far better place
1 pi_over_3 2019-04-10
The books are great. The show was great at bringing the books to life.
Then the show went past the books and they turned it into network TV level blandness.
1 Rentokill_boy 2019-04-10
Personally I think the books are poorly-written and tedious, but at least the world-building is pretty interesting. They're better than the show anyway
1 ihopeitsnormal 2019-04-10
Books 4 and 5 are dogshit. Seasons 5-7 barring battle of the bastards is dogshit
1 IHeartCommyMommy 2019-04-10
The first 15 minutes of the S6 finale is some of the best shit ever put on TV change my mind.
1 HamsterGutz1 2019-04-10
No it's not
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1 IHeartCommyMommy 2019-04-10
Fantastic use of largely non-verbal storytelling, amazing use of editing to show multiple characters perspective of the events, excellent pacing allowing for a slow-burn, big explosion sequence, payoff for a main character getting to watch all of her enemies die, torture scene with the nun-lady and one of the best songs put to TV that perfectly creates tension and sounds amazing.
I can admit that the shows quality has dropped overall, but due to the fact I'm not a f#ggot I can also give credit to when they knock it out of the park. That sequence was a masterpiece of using all of the mediums strengths simultaneously. Just because normal people like something doesn't mean I gotta pretend it's bad.
1 VapeOnYourNape 2019-04-10
That episode of Mad Men where the whole office does meth.
1 Bigspartandaddy 2019-04-10
Hahahaha classic
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
It was speed actually.Kenny dancing was fab
1 JilaX 2019-04-10
It's good at the technical aspects of TV making, sure. It still butchers the plot to shit and relies on all the characters being complete r-slurs.
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
Amazing rebuttal doofus.
1 muffler_kek 2019-04-10
r/ASOIAFcels on suicide watch
1 SpiceAndEvNice 2019-04-10
AFFC is unbelievably boring. ADWD wasn’t that bad.
1 jwil191 2019-04-10
Everything outside of the north was trash in dance, everything outside of kings landing was trash in feast.
1 NapoleonBonerpart5 2019-04-10
I liked book 4 a lot. Book 5 was pretty disappointing.
1 ConsequentDog 2019-04-10
The books are absolutely poorly-written, but the storytelling is good. That's why I could never get into them despite wanting to.
1 darth_tiffany 2019-04-10
The worldbuilding makes zero sense and is basically just a Crusader Kings mod with some half-remembered AP World readings for background history.
And no, not all fantasy is like that OKAY?
1 QubeKnight 2019-04-10
I mean, the world building is some of the best in mainstream media, it’s reasonable by all extents and he does a pretty good job at explaining cultural history. Something like I’ve kind of liked about it is that he straight up doesn’t tell you everything, the world map looks like what it might have if it came from the time period. I agree that the story telling is lukewarm, but the world itself has merits
1 darth_tiffany 2019-04-10
“Best worldbuilding in mainstream media” is a stretch. Let’s see...
Westeros has one language and like two religions, offers free education, a reasonably robust road system and mild temperatures for years at a time, and yet none of these downtrodden peasants has ever thought to storm the local lord’s fort and install a different system of governance than the abusive feudalism that’s been the norm for literally THOUSANDS of years.
You’ve got the “darkest Africa” continent, which has no civilization and whose inhabitants are literally subhuman.
You’ve got the Island of Enlightened Black People which is clearly there so Martin can have the above without being accused of racism.
You’ve got the obvious China analogue ruled by emperors who all have monosyllabic ching-chong names.
Let’s not forget the Incestuous Space Romans who were wiped out by Mega-Vesuvius.
And of course we can’t leave out the blatant, unsettling obsession with incest and castration.
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1 darth_tiffany 2019-04-10
“Best worldbuilding in mainstream media” is a stretch. Let’s see...
Westeros has one language and like two religions, offers free education, a reasonably robust road system and mild temperatures for years at a time, and yet none of these downtrodden peasants has ever thought to storm the local lord’s fort and install a different system of governance than the abusive feudalism that’s been the norm for literally THOUSANDS of years.
You have multiple large groups that are a main part of the narrative whose cultural and religious beliefs can be defined as “rape and pillage are fun.”
You’ve got the “darkest Africa” continent, which has no civilization and whose inhabitants are literally subhuman.
You’ve got the Island of Enlightened Bl*ck People which is clearly there so Martin can have the above without being accused of racism.
You’ve got the obvious China analogue ruled by emperors who all have monosyllabic ching-chong names.
Let’s not forget the Incestuous Space Romans who were wiped out by Mega-Vesuvius.
And of course we can’t leave out the blatant, unsettling obsession with incest and castration.
1 UmmahSultan 2019-04-10
Agreed, but I don't know how you get from there to "not all fantasy is like that". It's all just exactly that but usually with elves and dwarves thrown in the mix.
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
What fantasy novels do you like? I'm partial to John Crowley's stuff whenever I want to toboggan the noggin.
Though I enjoyed asoiaf just fine. Prose is mostly mediocre but shines at times. Sort of like Malory, really.
1 darth_tiffany 2019-04-10
I'm not super dialed into the ~fantasy community~ but I think the Malazan series is considered the gold standard as far as worldbuilding goes.
ASOIAF is fine. I don't think it's terrible but it's very much a stereotype of what a layperson likely imagine high fantasy to be.
I also suspect one of the reasons GRRM is struggling with the final books is that he has never figured out exactly how magic works in this world, and to what degree it will factor into the endgame.
1 michaelisnotginger 2019-04-10
I think he's struggling because at some point it becomes a generic fight the bad games end of the world shtick and he still wants to write the political scheming stuff
1 redmugofcoffee 2019-04-10
I too hate things that are popular
1 69weed420 2019-04-10
hmm ahh yes the books are fantastic such as these fine scriptures from god king martin:
"Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew".
"all she could do was stand there, fevered and bleeding".
"Yezznan was burning with fever, squirming fitfully in a pool of his own excrement. His shit had turned to brown slime streaked with blood".
"Those afflicted by the pale mare were always thirsty, drinking gallons between their shits".
BRAVO NOLAN
1 Futhermucker 2019-04-10
i can cherrypick out of context lines from literally any book to make it sound like shit
1 wsbking 2019-04-10
Try it from Blood Meridian, pleb
1 Futhermucker 2019-04-10
i'm sitting right next to my copy, gimme a few minutes
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1 Futhermucker 2019-04-10
alright of all fucking books, really?
1 wsbking 2019-04-10
That's the power of McCarthy baby
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1 SpiceAndEvNice 2019-04-10
Anyone wants to try Infinite Jest?
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
Faulkner half–warmed over in Melville and the KJV. In the American West. Yawn.
1 wsbking 2019-04-10
Imagine being such a contrarian nerd that you feel the need to insult the greatest American novel ever written.
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
Imagine not knowing about Stoner.
1 michaelisnotginger 2019-04-10
Am I wrong for preferring Buffalo Crossing to Stoner.
Also Grapes of Wrath is the best American lit novel written
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
Butcher's Crossing? No, not at all. Personally I prefer Augustus. My favorite American novel of them all is The House of Mirth.
I was just trying to impart to the young fella about how not everything needs to be so consciously artsy cowboy.
1 Micolashboi 2019-04-10
As if you've ever read Faulkner, Melville, the KJV, or Blood Meridian and aren't just parroting the opinions of your barista.
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
Nah. I read them all in barista school.
1 VicisSubsisto 2019-04-10
No cherry-picking required, Cormac McCarthy writes like a multiple stroke victim.
1 bloodandthebones 2019-04-10
ah, blood meridian, monsieur? that novel is the sark and chaparral of literature, the filament whereon rode the remuda of highbrow, corraled out of some destitute hacienda upon the arroya, quirting and splurting with main and with pyrolatrous coagulate of lobated grandiloquence. our eyes rode over the pages, monsieur, of that slatribed azotea like argonauts of suttee, juzgados of swole, bights and systoles of walleyed and tyrolean and carbolic and tectite and scurvid and querent and creosote and scapular malpais and shellalagh. we scalped, monsieur, the gantlet of its esker and led our naked bodies into the rebozos of its mennonite and siliceous fauna, wallowing in the jasper and the carnelian like archimandrites, teamsters, combers of cassinette scoria, centroids of holothurian chancre, with pizzles of enfiladed indigo panic grass in the saltbush of our vigas, true commodores of the written page, rebuses, monsieur, we were the mygale spiders too and the devonian and debouched pulque that settled on the frizzen studebakers, listening the wolves howling in the desert while we saw the judge rise out of a thicket of corbelled arches, whinstone, cairn, cholla, lemurs, femurs, leantos, moonblanched nacre, uncottered fistulas of groaning osnaburg and kelp, isomers of fluepipe and halms awap of griddle, guisado, pelancillo.
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1 Futhermucker 2019-04-10
i'm too lazy to google this but i want you to know that if this isn't copypasta, i am as impressed as i am disgusted
1 otherwiseyep 2019-04-10
Bend sinister
1 matt123hihat 2019-04-10
Malazhan go
1 GIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS 2019-04-10
I don't see anything wrong here
1 Bisoromi 2019-04-10
"fuck bitches get money" "danaerys , snatch my wig " "jon blow"
you forgot those
1 Raven0520 2019-04-10
I have no idea why George RR Martin gets so much praise from feminists for writing female characters, when the sex scenes in GoT are written like scripts to bad porno's.
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1 Raven0520 2019-04-10
I have no idea why George RR Martin gets so much praise from feminists for writing f*male characters, when the sex scenes in GoT are written like scripts to bad porno's.
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1 masterstick8 2019-04-10
You know, I had this discussion once before with a woman who made the same claim.
Go back and read these sex scenes and the POVs that have these "cringey" lines.
These lines aren't from the perspective of Super Handsome ladies man Jaime or Sexual seductress expert Melisandre, they're written for broken, awkward characters.
They're awkward and uncomfortable because they're supposed to be, take for instance this famous line:
This is from a 20 year old Virgin abused fatass about to lose his V-card to an inbred hill person. If it was written like the books you find in your moms sock drawer it wouldn't make sense.
Now if there was a scene with Jaime and Cersei where they're both charismatic and attractive and have chemistry and the scene was like this, it'd be bad writing. It's not in this case though.
The reason GRRM is a good writer is because he writes lines like those listed in the parent comment because it's what his characters think.
As a matter of fact, let's look through these with some context, so spoilers ahead.
This is the come down to Dany's big moment. She had just rode a dragon, she had looked beautiful while doing it, she could fucking fly. And now here she is, in the middle of nowhere, shitting her brains cause of the dirty water. It's supposed to be foul and gross and crude, because she isn't a queen or a conqueror right now, she is a lost teenage girl... Again.
Wartime descriptions of medieval diseases, not supposed to be eloquent or artsy. Disgusting, like the man who said them.
People reference this one a lot, but never mention that it's said by a guy who is basically an in-story /r/drama too-cool-for-school insert. He is just so handsome, and so deep, and so good at sword fighting that if you don't get how cool he is, well maybe you're the one who is not so cool. It's supposed to make you cringe, the guy is desperate to be as cool as his uncle who was a Chad.
The Books are exceptionally well written because for every bit of criticism leveled against here as basic shit, there is a deeper layer to it. Jaime/Theon/Stannis the list goes on all have incredible character arcs.
And really let's go back and take a look at some of these critics in this comment section and celebrate the glorious return of Pinging.
/u/Ohpiekang says it's "faux deep". I'm sorry do we take Weebs opinions on literature seriously now?
Or /u/darth_tiffany and her comment. Oh, but she is also a Subredditdrama user and a Chapo-slur, so we should just cross her opinions out already. Oh and a nega-reddit poster. I can almost see her new wave hair cut through her comments. Guys, don't you understand that is Not Like Other GirlsTM?
or the comment by /u/The_Great_I_Am_Not nerding the fuck out about High Fantasy. Yeah, it's not high fantasy, you can tell cause it doesn't suck ass.
I'm so tired of this "Mainstream=bad", you get the same shit on band subreddits. Like /r/arcticmonkeys
"SURE GUYS I KNOW THAT THE ALBUM AM HAD PROBABLY 3 SONGS THAT WILL GO DOWN AS CLASSICS, BUT DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK THE SONGS FROM WHEN THEY WERE A GARAGE BAND WERE LE OBJECTIVELY BETTER? HA YOU LIKE DO I WANNA KNOW WHICH WAS PRODUCED EXTREMELY WELL AND WRITTEN AFTER ALEX TURNER HIT HIS PRIME? CHECK OUT THIS FAKE FAN"
So, yeah, excuse my effort post but I'm sick of these smug losers on this site constantly thinking that because you're not into something popular that you're not basic when being counter-culture for the sake of it is even more basic.
You want to say you didn't like ASOIAF? Fine. You want to say that it objectively sucks ass? Get a life.
Just like the top comment reply to me is going to be about how the user is just too cool to care about anything, and that's why he lives in a shitty 1 bedroom apartment alone.
P.S to the Great I am not, too. Wheel of Time is terrible and only popular with nerds who have time to read through a series longer than the old testament
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1 uniqueguy263 2019-04-10
This is a bizarre pathetic rant and it's really weird that you wrote it. It's also entirely 100% correct
1 masterstick8 2019-04-10
You know I realized about halfway through writing it that your assessment is correct.
I made a post that got /r/drama users to upvote a pro-GRRM and mainstream comment but it was weird as hell and written like I have a mental disorder.
I spent so long thinking if I could, when I should have asked if I should.
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
The Arctic Monkeys tangent was my favorite part.
1 Raven0520 2019-04-10
I was more referring to stuff like the scene in the first book where Danny gets cream-pied. What does that add to the book? It reads like Martin was jacking off while writing it.
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1 ParticularDrummer 2019-04-10
At least you called out the Wheel of Time posters.
1 Dollar_Store_Dildo 2019-04-10
I'll burn the whole fucking internet to the ground right now if you don't shut your stupid mouth.
1 michaelisnotginger 2019-04-10
Arctic monkeys first album was the fastest ever selling UK album, they were hardly in a garage before am lol. Even their early eps had a huge amount of hype
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1 oss_spy 2019-04-10
He writes from the perspectives of the characters the chapters are from. You choose Tyrion, Asha, and Sam - a midget frat bro, a literal crazy viking bitch, and a guy with self esteem so low that a poster from /r/politics would take his lunch money.
Good job, now start quoting Dany, Jon, or Jaime.
1 69weed420 2019-04-10
Shutup r-slur your book is shit stop serious posting and stop being so shook someone doesn't like your epic fantasy books
1 Ohpiekang 2019-04-10
The books are shit, its 2deep4u lotr smut.
1 Kalvthe 2019-04-10
How smoothbrained do you have to be to think GoT is in any way deep.
1 Ohpiekang 2019-04-10
Exactly.
1 ItsGettinBetterMan 2019-04-10
Doesn't it have like 4 pages dedicated to someone shitting?
1 VapeOnYourNape 2019-04-10
Someone post the gravity’s rainbow bit
1 ihopeitsnormal 2019-04-10
When I read A Game of Thrones when I was twelve after reading The Legend of Drizzt books and I realized you could actually kill a main character when they lopped off Ned's head and Khal Drogo died from a scratch, it was pretty gud
Watching GOT on tv in 2019 however 🤢🤢🤢
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-04-10
I first read it when I was 14. I kept flipping ahead to see when the next Daenerys chapter was because I masturbated while reading each of them. I also skipped the prologue because I confused "prologue" with "preface" and thought it was just a boring introduction.
1 michaelisnotginger 2019-04-10
dude yes I was 12 too and when Ned Stark died it was literal galaxy brain stuff. This was nearly 20 years ago now :(
1 POST_BUSSY 2019-04-10
I thought the TV show was great for the first 4 seasons when it was about political backstabbing etc.
Then season 5 onwards it became generic dragons and zombies fantasy shit 😴😴😴
1 ksatriamelayu 2019-04-10
muh wimmen power etc
1 Rentokill_boy 2019-04-10
Dragon lady and snow man are popular because they're the most generic one-dimensional overpowered characters, making them great for brainlets to identify with when their boring lives dissatisfy them
1 Miley345 2019-04-10
Wait, who snowman?
1 VicisSubsisto 2019-04-10
Jon who is ill-informed.
1 BillyRayAtkins 2019-04-10
The last episode of season one had a cripple and two children throw cgi fireballs at bad cgi skeletons. It also featured a shirtless sociopath fight and easily overpower 20 good vikings who spent a whole season rowing to his house. Then the main character kills his father for no good reason because D&D thought viewers were too stupid to remember what action happened and instead just left it as he was angry about being sentenced to death when his dad told him to stop threatening to kill Joffrey and offered him the wall.
1 POST_BUSSY 2019-04-10
It's been a while since I saw the show, but wasn't he also angry because he had a lifelong grudge against his father who has never treated him well, and that his girlfriend betrayed him to be with his father?
But yeah I agree with you that it's retarded to kill your dad because of that.
In general I'm quite lenient of dumb shit that happens in tv shows. Like Jamie and Cersei are god damned retards but at least they are people. I much prefer that over the mindless zombie enemies in the later seasons.
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1 POST_BUSSY 2019-04-10
It's been a while since I saw the show, but wasn't he angry because he had a lifelong grudge against his father who has never treated him well, and that his girlfriend betrayed him to be with his father?
In general I'm quite lenient of dumb shit that happens in tv shows. It just needs to be exciting and unpredictable. Jamie and Cersei for example are god damned retards who keep digging themselves into bigger holes, but at least they are people. I much prefer that over the mindless zombie enemies in the later seasons.
1 POST_BUSSY 2019-04-10
Doesn't he literally type with one finger on some ancient computer?
1 redthrow1125 2019-04-10
Wordstar hiphop!
1 DoesntSmellLikePalm 2019-04-10
Agreed
Except the part where Jaime is still Cersei's bitch, this was done right and not for "no good reason".
1 BillyRayAtkins 2019-04-10
Nope. In the show Tywin warns Tyrion to stop threatening to kill Joffrey and tries to get him sent to the wall. Tyrion decides to threaten to murder Joffrey, gets caught with the murder weapon, and then refuses to be sent to the wall. He also had no reason to go to Tywins room that night so you can take Shae out of the picture. If Tyrion wasn't a fan favorite then fewer people would justifying him killing his dad while whining about how his dad somehow knew he was innocent but sentenced him to die (nope that was you when you choose Oberyn).
1 DoesntSmellLikePalm 2019-04-10
Yes, until Cersei/tywin uses Shae against Tyrion which sets Tyrion off. It was the second time his family used someone he loved to crush him and humiliate him completely.
Lol what murder weapon, Joffrey was poisoned. Tyrion was caught getting pointed at and that was enough for Tywin to condemn him to the wall or to death.
IIRC Tywin wanted Tyrion out of the picture so Jaime would be forced to inherit and Joffrey's death gave him the perfect opportunity. Tywin obviously preferred sending him to the wall to keep Jaime happy, but he had no issues letting Tyrion die.
His whole family besides Jaime just did a repeat of the most traumatic event of his life except this time both his freedom and his life were on the line.
No shit he wanted to kill Tywin. He doesn't need a reason. He was angry that his father willingly condemned him to death even though he knew of his innocence. It's possible that he didn't plan to kill Tywin at first, but seeing Shae up there set him off.
You seem to think that "no rational reason" = "no reason". Tyrion isn't an infallible character who acts without emotion. He's subject to making shit irrational decisions as much as the rest of us. "HURRR WHY DID HE DO DUMB THING????" idk probably cuz he's been shit on his whole life and he's had not one but two of his life's loves used to absolutely demolish him.
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1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-10
Was that a "20 good men" reference?
1 muffler_kek 2019-04-10
Lel, Ironborn are literally the worst people in Westeros, they only steal shit
1 Bigspartandaddy 2019-04-10
The n-slur of the Game of Thrones universe
1 darth_tiffany 2019-04-10
She’s one of the more embarrassing characters ever put to tv that’s for sure, but her book counterpart manages to be worse by being an actual child.
1 Shaunosaurus 2019-04-10
tits
1 SpiceAndEvNice 2019-04-10
Emilia Clark looks so much better as a brunette. The wom(an)s’s gorgeous but she doesn’t look that great in GoT.
1 Bigspartandaddy 2019-04-10
You are a r-slur, sir
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
1 Bigspartandaddy 2019-04-10
Because she's hot
1 bunkerman11 2019-04-10
Dragon ladys eyebrows are the best actors on the show.
1 GoyInTheStripedPJs 2019-04-10
If you take the show on its own rights that is a fair point I think. However, having read the books before the show came out I have found the show to be an entertaining but not as deep adaptation of the novels. There are elements to GRR Martin’s writing that I find kind of cringe or boring at times compared to fantasy classics like Tolkien, but overall the series is very well written and has a lot of depth.
So I’d say there is an important difference in source material between superhero movies and fantasy epics like ASOIAF
1 EndTimesRadio 2019-04-10
I kinda disagree. As a fight, Battle of the Bastards was very well done as a medieval combat scene. Perfect? Nah. But pretty damn good.
1 oss_spy 2019-04-10
Yeah if you think everyone having swords qualifies as medieval combat
1 EndTimesRadio 2019-04-10
Shields, positioning, encirclement, spears, cavalry, massed archery. It was at least interesting. Perfect? Nah. But interesting.
1 muffler_kek 2019-04-10
Dude piles of bodies lmao
1 kaeden334 2019-04-10
Faggot
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1 uniqueguy263 2019-04-10
Beats weebshit lol
1 MrKearns 2019-04-10
Edgy
1 DmesticG 2019-04-10
I bet you listen to 60s rock
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
Ah yes,the famous cliche where the kill of the most famous actor in season 1.
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1 The_Reason_Trump_Won 2019-04-10
GOT has been overrated from the start and doubly so after season 4.
1 Curbside_dental 2019-04-10
Rapecapeshit.
1 -Shank- 2019-04-10
Rapeshit works just fine
1 BillyRayAtkins 2019-04-10
I read that as Runescapeshit
1 Raven0520 2019-04-10
Can we ping J-mods?
1 spicwetbackbeanerboy 2019-04-10
(((j-slur mods)))
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
Ruinscapeshit
1 chimpan_z 2019-04-10
capeshit is just shit with capes
1 SaltyMeth 2019-04-10
But they do have cloaks which are basically capes
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-04-10
I’ve seen one episode of the old Tits n’ Swords shit. Just seems like a lot to get involved in idk.
1 HodorTheDoorHolder_ 2019-04-10
Oh ok 👍
1 LaylaCumiaFan420 2019-04-10
You’re mad.
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1 ManBearFridge 2019-04-10
Epoc
1 SwiftOnSobriety 2019-04-10
C O P E
1 Slithice_ 2019-04-10
Cope
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1 Slithice_ 2019-04-10
😉
1 give_me_my_keys 2019-04-10
Also swords are lame.
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
swords are old and homosexual
1 SandorClegane_AMA 2019-04-10
Not really seeing a problem here.
1 Matues49 2019-04-10
Nobody cares, phaggot
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-04-10
Game of Thrones is trash.
Depending upon where you get your information from (or can ACTUALLY READ) Martin tried to write high fantasy, but he failed.
It's horrible. A shitty story, poorly written and just bad all the way around.
And HBO made it something to make money from, and now they have to finish the story because that shitty writer, loser and all-around dumb-ass isn't even close to high quality high fantasy such as Wheel of Time, Middle Earth compendium, Stormlight, and Mazalan.
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-04-10
🤢🤢🤢
I stopped reading that one as soon as I realized that all the g-slurs in it are huge b-slurs.
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-04-10
I know...it's hard to keep up with stuff above your head.
1 Kalvthe 2019-04-10
...said dryly.
1 MalcolmFFucker 2019-04-10
Robert Jordan strikes me as one of those guys who could only get off when his wife stepped on his balls with stilettos and spit in his face
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-04-10
https://imgur.com/gallery/iWKad22
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-04-10
Oh my. You lack so much knowledge.
1 Jinzub 2019-04-10
That's hot
1 ToTheNintieth 2019-04-10
And his wife was a sub, hence WoT.
1 conductorofpooptrane 2019-04-10
Yeah its pretty bad in the first few books, rand literally talks to a few g-slurs and egwene gets p-slurred but she grinded on a hippie for a week and that was acceptable
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2019-04-10
My main problem with the series is that I realized it felt like a Mount and Blade session -- Almost every power-holder/noble character/whatever exudes either woodenness or obnoxiousness that made me stop caring about them early on.
And seeing the scenes on TV, with the usual pacing issues such an adaptation brings, makes the grimdark scenes seem overtly purposefully placed.
1 Kalvthe 2019-04-10
I'd like to see an adaptation of WoT just so people see how truly unwoke it is on the transgender debate.
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-04-10
https://www.tor.com/2019/01/23/the-wheel-of-time-tv-series-adaptation-production-fall-2019/
I'm not a fan of the tv adaptation, because the special effects and the morality and mentality is not possible to financially recreate on tv or streaming, but it is supposedly being done.
1 conductorofpooptrane 2019-04-10
Dialogue
"Hey Thom guess what moiraine just told me" said a woman who was more handsome than beautiful then crossed her arms under her breasts.
"You better watch out Aes Sedai can't lie but they can spin the truth like a top" Thom said as he harrumphed and blew out his long mustaches.
I'm only on 9 so no spoilers but the only problem I can see really is >!Lews therins voice and making the battles between channelers interesting when there basically just standing there trying to shield each other!<
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-04-10
You've slightly misquoted it, and it's relevant. You've got to pay attention if you're going to truly the whole story, and get the best of what's it's all about:
"An Aes Sedai never lies, but the truth she speaks may not be the truth you think you hear."
1 conductorofpooptrane 2019-04-10
They literally mean the same thing
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-04-10
Kinda, but not really. It's a bit nuanced, like understanding the difference between the Ten Commandments and the Ten Commitments.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-10
How did a fantasy book series manage to stumble into the transgender discussion, let alone that far in advance?
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1 Kalvthe 2019-04-10
These aren't really spoilers, I'm basically summarizing a prologue.
So a good way through the series, a character pops up. They had lived and died as a man, but Big Baddy brings them back to sow more chaos. Except this time, they're a womn lol. At first glance, it *is** kind of woke. The character even coming to identify with their sex.
Except with all the implications of the magic system. Magic is split between the boy and girl variety, and it comes straight from the soul. Basically, even God of that universe can't switch that shit around.
TL;DR - It doesn't matter what kind of plumbing your body has, because your soul's got balls or it doesn't.
1 ironicshitpostr 2019-04-10
You forgot the other modern High Fantasy classic, Sword of Truth
1 Kalvthe 2019-04-10
Was there a single character that didn't get raped or almost raped? I don't think so.
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1 BillyRayAtkins 2019-04-10
He's not trying to write high fantasy. He wasn't even going to have dragons in it.
It's light fantasy merged with real world politics. Unfortunately the politics became too complicated for GRRM to keep track of and HBO attracted too many casuals who wouldn't be interested in the political side so the show simplified. The action fantasy side seems like something GRRM doesn't actually like but the nature of the story kind of means that the fantasy of frost giants w-slur walkers and wyverns dragons will overtake the political side. Then you have D&D who admit they only cared about the red wedding and don't respect a lot of the characters (Stannis) and now just want a binary good vs evil story with epic hashtag moments.
That said it's a fun watch if you turn your brain off.
1 pepperouchau 2019-04-10
Narnia doesn't even get that bad. Look at That Hideous Strength if you really want to see Lewis reveal his christcel power level.
1 tritter211 2019-04-10
which loser low life gave this comment gold?
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-04-10
At least the real greats had some semblance of understanding of geopolitics, mythology and history.
1 Ohpiekang 2019-04-10
This is an apt description of the shit I just took.
1 Bigspartandaddy 2019-04-10
What they did to Stannis character should be punishable by intense ball torture
1 SwiftOnSobriety 2019-04-10
Wardens wear capes.
Teft sells his cape.
Literally nothing but capes.
1 noxpallida 2019-04-10
Shut up nerd
1 snowkarl 2019-04-10
Malazan is just as cringe with Eriksens 62 page downs syndrome Kruppe monologues and his complete and utter inability to write a fucking climax and seems to believe in a dramaturgical flatline when it comes to pacing. The world building is the only good thing about it.
Wheel of Time sucks hard core and Stormlight lul.
All fantasy sucks in some way because it's impossible to get it right. It's just children's books for kids and someone will always complain. Aoiaf was great for the first 4ish books, all of Lotr is obviously great, the first Dune book is good but let's just admit fantasy is just capeshit for nerds
1 Karmawasforsuckers 2019-04-10
There are lots of capes in GoT.
1 PostDemocracyISNOW 2019-04-10
Better than Harry Retcon, tbf
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1 AntiIntellectual 2019-04-10
Absolutely. Arya is unbearable (plus LMAO plot armor), Jon Snow is cringe and g8y, the dragons add nothing of interest and dumb down the plot, the Bran shit is possibly the worst subplot of all time and just looking at his dumb fucking face and the scenes with Hodor tilted the shit out of me.
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-04-10
just kill all Starks already and make Littlefinger the overlord
oh wait they totally fucked up Littlefinger, nvm
1 oss_spy 2019-04-10
He was an interesting character ruined by the show. Evil for the sake of evil is dumb
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-04-10
his ending was extremely anti-climactic and dumb, how do you get outsmarted by Sansa for christ's sake
they had to get rid off him because the show was no longer about politics, but about superheroes tossing out one-liners getting themselves needlessly in impossible situations and getting out solely because of luck and plot-armour
the great days of red wedding or other good moments when anyone who fucked up and broke the rules of the game (don't trust nobody, show no mercy, dont fuck some doctor instead of a designated bribe and think you can get away with it) was whacked, now is the time for capeshit
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
You realize that Sansa is going to kill LF in the end, right? Not in the r-slurred show way. But still.
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-04-10
if she kills him it will be because he broke one of the candinal rules (don't trust noone), not because they are playing high school girl drama in a fucking medieval castel
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-10
I agree. But she is totally going to kill the dude who is love with the young version of her mother and by proxy her and set off a whole huge war to gratify his lust.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-10
There was no room for a political saboteur once the show finally reached its "dragons and magic" phase. This was the trap GRRM wrote himself into. There would be no way to keep having political intrigue when you had an army of undead and a kid who could see the past.
1 oss_spy 2019-04-10
I take it you have read the books then, because Cersei is still...well, trying, and Meereen isn't exactly a paradise.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-10
Aren't the books still around Season 5 of the show in terms of plot? I know events get mixed around/dropped in the show. That was before the "capeshit" started being emphasized.
1 oss_spy 2019-04-10
I don't remember, though it's whenever Dany got on her dragon and left Meereen.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-04-10
I mean, the books' politics are still better than the show, regardless. Even if GoT had better writing for its later seasons, TV isn't really a medium that lends itself to that kind of worldbuilding. All of the things GRRM could expound on with prose have to be presented visually or through dialogue alone.
1 jamesangleton 2019-04-10
“seriously I'm ok with having an r-slur character but don't subject me to extended scenes of their r******dness it's awkard and nobody enjoys that shit.”
Y the fuck do you even hang out here?
1 Phantom_Engineer 2019-04-10
All genre fiction is just some variant on the capeshit formula.
1 FriendlyJordy 2019-04-10
Thought this was negareddit for a second
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
my nega
1 ______________pewpew 2019-04-10
Horseshoe confirmed
1 Let_you_down 2019-04-10
Sounds like someone is salty they can't afford HBO.
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-04-10
sounds like someone doesn't know torrents
1 Futhermucker 2019-04-10
game of thrones has a complex plot, far more complex characters, and the heroes actually die
1 IllegitimateLiteracy 2019-04-10
Stop lying there is no way you can tell who will survive a super hero movie, especially when all the characters already have two sequels in pre-production.
1 StumpyAlex 2019-04-10
I like capeshit, and I like GoT even more. Fight me, f@gg0t
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1 StumpyAlex 2019-04-10
I like capeshit, and I like GoT even more. Fight me, f-slur
1 sevgee 2019-04-10
Early-seasons GoT is acceptable. Capeshit otoh is haram.
1 Slithice_ 2019-04-10
Easy, two words is all it takes.
BUSSY LMAO😂
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
Real Shit Unironically
1 pepperouchau 2019-04-10
Why would I disagree with the blatantly obvious
1 collectijism 2019-04-10
At least theres no 70 year old playing science guy
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
Keep Bill Nye out of your mouth.
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1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
Doing God’s work
1 tritter211 2019-04-10
I mean, if you are a dramatard who hates capeshit, then by definition this means, you expect a story that is told better. GoT is a story told better.
It got extremely popular exactly because it got so unpredictable, and it actually kills off the heroes you love.
Can you name one capeshit movie that did this? capeshit is capeshit because they are basically standardized serials told on the big screen, and nothing serious ever happens to these heroes because we all know movie producers want to keep producing sequels to these movies until the superhero fatigue sets in.
1 ParticularDrummer 2019-04-10
Logan (2017.)
1 ironschlong22 2019-04-10
It is absolutely haram. Why is Danerys simply not forced to wear a hijab?
1 aucunejus 2019-04-10
WHATS CAPESHIT?
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
VIGILANT
1 plurpnslurp 2019-04-10
It appeals to the lowest common denominator, like capeshit. So yeah, you’re right.
1 MrKearns 2019-04-10
What are some high culture TV shows?
1 plurpnslurp 2019-04-10
I have pretty basic tastes but the wire, sopranos, mad men I would say are quality shows
1 letter_of_resignatio 2019-04-10
First book was good rest was trash. Third had potential. Extended universe is utterly trashy.
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
Get out of here with your normie bullshit
1 letter_of_resignatio 2019-04-10
Reeeeee
1 LittleBigPerson 2019-04-10
The later seasons of the show are yeah.
1 powerincarnate1 2019-04-10
yeah
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
weak
1 Wild_Hunt 2019-04-10
Boy, I’ll fucking /u/Onitan your ass
1 Veroneko 2019-04-10
The show is now, at the beginningthere was a lot of subverting expectations and departing from cliches but the tv show would likely end with a Dreamworks style musical number the way it is shaping up.
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
Punish real takes with death “mods”
1 MrKearns 2019-04-10
Since last season, yes
1 RHYS116 2019-04-10
Tolkien is to creative literary genius what Martin is to hack pulp idiocy. They both so far surpass anyone else in their field that they will be remembered 1,000 years from now as a kind of yin and yang of fantasy, a Manichaen duality of speculative letters. For every sublime, luminous beauty that Tolkien has gifted the world, Martin has cursed us with a tedious, banal ugliness. It is unfair to compare the two directly on any one point, because Martin is in every way the anti-Tolkien, patently sterile, parasitical, and inferior, but so much so that he becomes a monument in his own right, and counterbalances Tolkien. Could one exist without the other? Tolkien obviously could. But it is only by the contrast that Martin offers that we can truly appreciate the full depths and heights of Tolkien. Our understanding of Tolkien would be incomplete if Martin had never set pen to page. It is through only the abject failure and futility of Martin that we can approach an apprehension of the true scope and scale of Tolkien's hitherto inconceivable greatness. Perhaps this is what Tolkien had in mind when he wrote about the Music of the Ainur. If Tolkien is a subcreator in the image of Eru, truly Martin is like unto Melkor. It is only reflected in the awfulness of the one that we can fully see the goodness of the other.
1 LongPostBot 2019-04-10
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1 BumwineBaudelaire 2019-04-10
ITT a lot of "GoT sucks lol" from people who have clearly watched every episode and maybe read a few of the books too
1 iprobablyneedahobby 2019-04-10
The show has definitely gone off the rails since it went past it's source material but it is was excellent until then. This thread is just nerds jerking each other off over liking more obscure fantasy. Ending bullying was a mistake.
1 orangecatgarfield 2019-04-10
Fuck off Sauron
1 __TIE_Guy 2019-04-10
Better actors and Better script. Look at it this way Sophie Turner went to marvel, no one from marvel went to GOT
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
Not Marvel but Mamoa
1 Lysis10 2019-04-10
BITE YOUR TONGUE
1 ToTheNintieth 2019-04-10
Wasn't always, but the more it diverged from the books the more one-dimensional and simplistic it became.
1 Some_Khajiit 2019-04-10
No ur g-slur.
1 Ferocetis 2019-04-10
Yes. When Bobby B and Boromir died, I lost interest really fast.
1 its_probably_a_tumor 2019-04-10
The little girl beats up the big strong man
and everybody claps.
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
Are there many actual capes in the show? I think Selmy wore one.
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
Season 5-7 us mostly terrible with some great set pieces.The character work has gone down the drain.
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
Ctrl F "sunset"
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You chumps are pathetic at this.
1 sudevsen 2019-04-10
/r/umpopularopinions is that way >>>>>>>
1 teem0carriedu 2019-04-10
You're right.