I hope that this is the end. r/Drama has a unique way of bringing out the worst in people. It really does, I think. The dynamic here is just so fucking toxic and it turns people into the worst possible people they can be.
Drama is an addiction. It should be classified as something more like heroine or meth than a game.
The legacy of Drama has been written large in blood, quite literally. Several Drama posters have committed mayocide, and this place enabled their downward spirals. u/DarqWolff's insanity was made far worse by this place. I've come to the conclusion that the internet, as a social platform, was a mistake.
It radicalizes people by isolating them with other people just like them and so they spiral into the worst versions of themselves. Drama made me a worse person, and it's made most of you worse people. It's been the breeding ground of pedophile groomers, alt-right killers, and suicidal narcissists. This place is a total fucking shithole and I spent three years of my life that I'll never get back immersed in it. It was a total waste and I'm going to regret this period of my life for the rest of my existence as will most of you.
Even the most moral people have been made worse for being here. I think that the fundamental issue with Drama is that due to the way reputations work, betrayal, secret cabals, two-faced bs, and bad faith negotiation isn't just prioritized, it's the only effective way to operate. Being a huge piece of shit to everybody around you and tearing them down like crabs in a bucket isn't just a viable strategy, it's actually the only viable strategy once Drama reached a certain size. It's all just a bunch of assholes circlejerking over how bad all the other assholes are, because it's impossible to do anything else short of outright genociding anybody who poses any sort of threat to Drama's security and dominance.
"Like, yes men getting raped happens and yes it’s just as horrible as a woman getting raped but it’s not like it’s some major statistic that is not talked about, it’s a tiny statistic that isn’t talked about."
Let me end his sentence "....and we should continue not talk about, because I personally don't care"
I see, so it's too small of a number for him to care, and minority stats suddenly doesn't matter eh? I hope heapplies the same logic when talking about topics he cares.
Who am I kidding, of course he doesn't and the thread is just a giant circlejerk.
I think male rape actually has an equal amount of victims it’s just not put into the “rape” category because men being raped doesn’t count (based) because they’re not being penetrated by the aggressor
here's my take: i was raped by a woman at a party where i passed out (and woke up to her slobbing my knob, which i would have turned down if i'd been awake for sure) -- and i don't particularly care. i barely cared at the time beyond "whoa what the fuck is this". i don't care if anyone cares or not now. i also think a lot of raped dudes care approximately this much.
I will have to look up the study later, but exactly this. Men who were "made to penetrate" are put into a different category. So the study compares men who were penetrated with women who were penetrated. Men forced to penetrate, doesn't count as rape in the study, it's put into a different category of sexual violence. When you add those forced to penetrate numbers, they are like almost identical to the womens.
Whats really really funny about that is, the study where they get their "1 in 5 women" number from, the numbers are virtually the same for the men. The only difference is that they have one of the things that happen to men, moved to a lesser insult, than flat out "rape". I think it's like made to penetrate is only considered sexual harassment or something, but it doesn't fall under their "rape" category. So the numbers only include men who were penetrated.
Despite 90% of rape victims being women( not including those who never talk about it ), r/teenagers decides this is a huge issue that NEEDS to be talked about more
That 90% number is extremely dubious. For example, buried in CDC data you find a different story:
These figures are from the CDC's 2010 NISVS (National Intimiate Partner Sexual Violence Survey), although you won't find it in the executive summary. You have to look at the data tables. Here is a link to the NISVS: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/specialreports.h...
The executive summary tells the usual story of rape being a male on female crime. There are 2 problems here. One is that they define rape as being penetrated against your will, and not being forced to penetrate (what a female rapist would do to a man). This erases female on male rape.
However, they did ask men if they had been forced to penetrate in the prior 12 months, and 1.1% of men surveyed reported that they had, and 80% of those had been attacked by a woman. 1.1% of women reported that they had been penetrated against their will in the prior 12 months, and 98% of those reported a male attacker.
So we have 50% of victims are male and 50% female. Of the 50% of male victims, 80%, or 40% of total victims, were raped by a woman.
Why the disparity between lifetime victimization and prior 12 month? Lifetime stats will tend to underestimate the problem, because, over time, people tend to erase their memory of traumatic events as a survival mechanism.
Researchers into the field of traumatic memory recovery note that the longer the period of time a person is asked recall a traumatic event, the less likely they are to remember it. How this works is that surveys that ask about a traumatic event in the last six months get less false negatives than those that ask about a traumatic event in the last twelve months which, itself, gets considerably fewer false negatives than lifetime prevalence.
For men this effect is even more pronounced.
16% of men with documented cases of sexual abuse considered their early childhood experiences sexual abuse, compared with 64% of women with documented cases of sexual abuse. These gender differences may reflect inadequate measurement techniques or an unwillingness on the part of men to disclose this information (Widom and Morris 1997).
Only 16% of men with documented case histories of child sexual abuse disclosed that abuse on a survey intended to capture child sexual abuse. Sixteen percent of men compared to sixty-four percent of women.
Men are just less likely to report assault or recall assault.
This isn't even getting into the fact, you know, if we were to count prison, the majority of rape victims are male:
We assessed 12-month prevalence and incidence data on sexual victimization in 5 federal surveys that the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted independently in 2010 through 2012. We used these data to examine the prevailing assumption that men rarely experience sexual victimization. We concluded that federal surveys detect a high prevalence of sexual victimization among men—in many circumstances similar to the prevalence found among women. We identified factors that perpetuate misperceptions about men’s sexual victimization: reliance on traditional gender stereotypes, outdated and inconsistent definitions, and methodological sampling biases that exclude inmates. We recommend changes that move beyond regressive gender assumptions, which can harm both women and men.
Feminists try to skirt around this data by not counting 12 month timeframes, and because men are far less likely to report or even view assault as assault, it downplays the percentage of male victims.
Definition of rape (Entry 1 of 4)
1 : unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception
Weird how your arguments don't pan out in places that don't define rape like that.
Kinda blows your whole armchair statistical analysis out of the water.
Like, you understand that you are not qualified to interpret that raw statistical data, right?
Like that is something you are aware of? That what you're doing is that EXACT same thing that anti-vaxxers, and 9/11 truthers and other conspiracy theorists do, right?
You dismiss the conclusions of qualified professionals who have the educations and knowledge necessary to correctly interpret things in context, because you want a different answer. So you sift through raw data you don't understand, and can't possibly contextualize, find one random point that you think supports your preformed conclusion, then declare total victory of those filthy corrupt establishment Jews scientists.
Weird how your arguments don't pan out in places that don't define rape like that.
I don't give a shit what Canada says. I've provided actual data, all you've done is try to lie, define the word rape to only apply to men, and have proven yourself to be outright delusional.
You are easily one of the least educated, mentally ill morons I have ever encountered on /r/drama. I have no idea where you came from, I have no idea which one of us pulled a lolcow as insane as yourself to this subreddit, but holy fuck, you're like a sentient diva cup. You hit every legbeard stereotype, dead center.
Anyone, and I mean anyone trying to define rape as something that only happens to women, as something women can not do to men? That person isn't an expert on anything, they're just an idiot.
Another barely sentient moid pretends there's a epidemic of males being "forced to penetrate" lmao. Leave your room faggot that isn't how the world works
Lol @ any dweeb concerned with female on male rape. Neurotypical men would joke about that with their buddies, not whine about it. If that fucks you up mentally you're pathetic.
There's a reason that male on male rape is treated far more seriously - because it's much more psychologically damaging.
I've literally never met a man in real life concerned with FEMALE ON MALE RAPE. People joke about their frat bro getting drunkenly shanghai'd by the one fat sorority chick at the greek mixer. Nobody cares
"But muh female on male rape" is peak reddit. Feminism is dumb because men and women are fundamentally different. Whining about this crap is trying to beat them on their turf instead of admitting that their turf and entire worldview is retarded
Lol imagine being such a cuck manlet that you believe in "female on male" rape. What kind of low T loser doesn't want to bang most chicks that come on to him and isn't strong enough to stop uggos from getting to his dick? Pathetic.
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I hope that this is the end. r/Drama has a unique way of bringing out the worst in people. It really does, I think. The dynamic here is just so fucking toxic and it turns people into the worst possible people they can be.
Drama is an addiction. It should be classified as something more like heroine or meth than a game.
The legacy of Drama has been written large in blood, quite literally. Several Drama posters have committed mayocide, and this place enabled their downward spirals. u/DarqWolff's insanity was made far worse by this place. I've come to the conclusion that the internet, as a social platform, was a mistake.
It radicalizes people by isolating them with other people just like them and so they spiral into the worst versions of themselves. Drama made me a worse person, and it's made most of you worse people. It's been the breeding ground of pedophile groomers, alt-right killers, and suicidal narcissists. This place is a total fucking shithole and I spent three years of my life that I'll never get back immersed in it. It was a total waste and I'm going to regret this period of my life for the rest of my existence as will most of you.
Even the most moral people have been made worse for being here. I think that the fundamental issue with Drama is that due to the way reputations work, betrayal, secret cabals, two-faced bs, and bad faith negotiation isn't just prioritized, it's the only effective way to operate. Being a huge piece of shit to everybody around you and tearing them down like crabs in a bucket isn't just a viable strategy, it's actually the only viable strategy once Drama reached a certain size. It's all just a bunch of assholes circlejerking over how bad all the other assholes are, because it's impossible to do anything else short of outright genociding anybody who poses any sort of threat to Drama's security and dominance.
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1 tonguelessnitch 2019-06-17
"Like, yes men getting raped happens and yes it’s just as horrible as a woman getting raped but it’s not like it’s some major statistic that is not talked about, it’s a tiny statistic that isn’t talked about."
Let me end his sentence "....and we should continue not talk about, because I personally don't care"
I see, so it's too small of a number for him to care, and minority stats suddenly doesn't matter eh? I hope heapplies the same logic when talking about topics he cares.
Who am I kidding, of course he doesn't and the thread is just a giant circlejerk.
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-06-17
Ah yes, we all know these people always fall in line with the numbers when it comes to confronting issues.
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-06-17
Despite being 13% of the population, male feminists commit 95% of all rapes.
1 bdpxthrown 2019-06-17
It's not even that they don't care, it's that if they acknowledge them, they're accidentally agreeing with some of the ewwwy ew ew people.
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
I think male rape actually has an equal amount of victims it’s just not put into the “rape” category because men being raped doesn’t count (based) because they’re not being penetrated by the aggressor
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
That's not true. It's something manlets who can't read numbers good made up when they read numbers they didn't understand.
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
Ok I respect ur opinion
1 gilmore606 2019-06-17
here's my take: i was raped by a woman at a party where i passed out (and woke up to her slobbing my knob, which i would have turned down if i'd been awake for sure) -- and i don't particularly care. i barely cared at the time beyond "whoa what the fuck is this". i don't care if anyone cares or not now. i also think a lot of raped dudes care approximately this much.
1 nybbas 2019-06-17
I will have to look up the study later, but exactly this. Men who were "made to penetrate" are put into a different category. So the study compares men who were penetrated with women who were penetrated. Men forced to penetrate, doesn't count as rape in the study, it's put into a different category of sexual violence. When you add those forced to penetrate numbers, they are like almost identical to the womens.
1 nybbas 2019-06-17
Whats really really funny about that is, the study where they get their "1 in 5 women" number from, the numbers are virtually the same for the men. The only difference is that they have one of the things that happen to men, moved to a lesser insult, than flat out "rape". I think it's like made to penetrate is only considered sexual harassment or something, but it doesn't fall under their "rape" category. So the numbers only include men who were penetrated.
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
That 90% number is extremely dubious. For example, buried in CDC data you find a different story:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5414518
Men are just less likely to report assault or recall assault.
This isn't even getting into the fact, you know, if we were to count prison, the majority of rape victims are male:
Even more:
Feminists try to skirt around this data by not counting 12 month timeframes, and because men are far less likely to report or even view assault as assault, it downplays the percentage of male victims.
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
Imagine being this much of a cuck faggot that you twist yourself into pretzels trying to convince yourself men get rapes as much as women hahahaha.
You're the mirror of a feminist saying there's no bioogical difference between the sexes.
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
Imagine ignoring overwhelming empirical data that says I'm wrong and you're wrong.
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
The empirical data that explicitly says you're wrong? hahaha
You're like an anti-vaxxer screaming "would you inject mercury into your child?"
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
What in my linked data says I'm wrong?
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
The CDC says the overwhelming majority of rape victims are women
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
No, that's what the CDC says when you define rape as being penetrated against your will.
When you account for being forced to penetrate, which is how a female would rape a male, it shifts the numbers.
I literally linked you the CDC report, that's what you're claiming is wrong here.
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
Yeah cause that's literally the definition of rape you complete fuckin nutter hahaha
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
Are you mentally ill? So your argument is "we'll define rape in a way in which men literally can not be raped except by other men" ?
Do you even read the shit you type? I hope to god you're a troll, because if you aren't, you're unironically just an absurdly dumb person.
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
Goddamn words having meaning! Why can't they just redefine rape like they redefine gender. Transwomen are biological women.
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
Rape is not defined in the way you're claiming.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rape
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
Oh fuck you broke out the internet dictionary to define a legal term. I didn't realize you were this retarded. Now i feel bad.
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
That's Merriam Webster, are you retarded? don't answer that, I already know.
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/14842-eng.htm
Weird how your arguments don't pan out in places that don't define rape like that.
Kinda blows your whole armchair statistical analysis out of the water.
Like, you understand that you are not qualified to interpret that raw statistical data, right?
Like that is something you are aware of? That what you're doing is that EXACT same thing that anti-vaxxers, and 9/11 truthers and other conspiracy theorists do, right?
You dismiss the conclusions of qualified professionals who have the educations and knowledge necessary to correctly interpret things in context, because you want a different answer. So you sift through raw data you don't understand, and can't possibly contextualize, find one random point that you think supports your preformed conclusion, then declare total victory of those filthy corrupt establishment Jews scientists.
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
I don't give a shit what Canada says. I've provided actual data, all you've done is try to lie, define the word rape to only apply to men, and have proven yourself to be outright delusional.
You are easily one of the least educated, mentally ill morons I have ever encountered on /r/drama. I have no idea where you came from, I have no idea which one of us pulled a lolcow as insane as yourself to this subreddit, but holy fuck, you're like a sentient diva cup. You hit every legbeard stereotype, dead center.
Anyone, and I mean anyone trying to define rape as something that only happens to women, as something women can not do to men? That person isn't an expert on anything, they're just an idiot.
1 Karmawasntforsuckers 2019-06-17
Rude
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
Sure bud
1 Osterion 2019-06-17
Another barely sentient moid pretends there's a epidemic of males being "forced to penetrate" lmao. Leave your room faggot that isn't how the world works
1 yangpede 2019-06-17
Take it up with the CDC.
1 Osterion 2019-06-17
U know it isn't true dumbass, quit being a sjw
1 shitpersonality 2019-06-17
It is not truebecause your personal feelings are at odds with the data. True beta brain, you are.
1 Osterion 2019-06-17
imagine assuming all surveys constitute indisputable data.
u probably also think 40% of cops abuse their wives and 1 in 4 women in college get raped. idiot
1 shitpersonality 2019-06-17
Imagine replying to me and not providing any data at all to back up your incel worldview.
1 Osterion 2019-06-17
cringe
1 shitpersonality 2019-06-17
no u
1 Arbys_Official 2019-06-17
I see what you're trying to do but I don't think this is going to help you get laid
1 BernieMadeoffSanders 2019-06-17
Don't argue with pizzashill. You can't out-tard our top of the line retard.
1 wellhellotherefellas 2019-06-17
Absolutely based.
1 BernieMadeoffSanders 2019-06-17
'za I love when you talk about foids <3 <3 <3 slamming that updootaroo button !
1 Osterion 2019-06-17
Down voted for speaking the truth 😠
1 LightUmbra 2019-06-17
😴😴😴
1 Osterion 2019-06-17
Imagine feeling even a shred of empathy for male rape victims. Lmao
1 LilKwazulaB2Fresh 2019-06-17
Why ain’t nobody ever be talking about black on black rape?
1 HodorTheDoorHolder_ 2019-06-17
Whenever /r/teenagers gets "deep"...
1 ChaposArentPeople 2019-06-17
It should be legal to rape chapos.
1 DeliciousPaste 2019-06-17
Lol @ any dweeb concerned with female on male rape. Neurotypical men would joke about that with their buddies, not whine about it. If that fucks you up mentally you're pathetic.
There's a reason that male on male rape is treated far more seriously - because it's much more psychologically damaging.
1 wellhellotherefellas 2019-06-17
Dumbass.
1 DeliciousPaste 2019-06-17
I've literally never met a man in real life concerned with FEMALE ON MALE RAPE. People joke about their frat bro getting drunkenly shanghai'd by the one fat sorority chick at the greek mixer. Nobody cares
"But muh female on male rape" is peak reddit. Feminism is dumb because men and women are fundamentally different. Whining about this crap is trying to beat them on their turf instead of admitting that their turf and entire worldview is retarded
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
Interesting and retarded
1 Futaba-Sakura 2019-06-17
We really need to bring back the guillotine.
1 donkquadroon 2019-06-17
Lol just old people mad at teenagers on reddit.
1 ReBurnInator 2019-06-17
Imagine typing that into the circlebroke2 comment box.
1 imaginatronator 2019-06-17
"Like we should talk about it, but not sap airtime from women's issues"
imagine thinking acknowedleging bad things happen to men too is a nefarious plot to take away attention from women
they're fucking reddit teenagers they're not going to come up with that shit you fucking retard with selective empathy that only triggers for women
1 AlveolarPressure 2019-06-17
Lol imagine being such a cuck manlet that you believe in "female on male" rape. What kind of low T loser doesn't want to bang most chicks that come on to him and isn't strong enough to stop uggos from getting to his dick? Pathetic.
1 CthuIhuhoop 2019-06-17
women are objectively all unattractive and anyone who claims they are attractive is just coping with their insecurities
join me and open up your bussy to the world, brother
1 transgirltradwife 2019-06-17
Ahhh the subreddit that has downplayed my sexual assault before with their fair, nuanced takes on male victims