It astounds me how many dinguses can look at the cyperpunk genre and completely miss all the anti-capitalism, sexism, class inequality, discrimination, and destruction of the environment that make up the primary themes, just to see pretty neon lights and robot arms.
Maybe it's because people just want to play videogames and have fun so they can forget about their troubles for a little while. I'm pretty sure the only reason that cbers and the SRDines care about this stuff is because they're unemployed or have easy jobs. No person with a job that demands attention and effort should care about this stuff after work.
Even as an International-Relations-cel, I get exhausted with this ridiculous level of analysis these freakshows always undertake
That’s really it. People recognize cyberpunk settings are dystopian oligarchies where the rich use access to tech to de facto rule over the masses, they just don’t feel the need to write a dissertation on the topic.
I think being located in Poland, even in this globalized world, might insulate CDPR to some extent from the stupidity of American radlibs, so I don’t think the recent whinefest will influence the ultimate quality of the game—
Oh, wait, we’re on /r/Drama, aren’t we? Imagine caring about vidya xd
I only want to play the game if I can fuck the trannies on their poster advertisements the same way Geralt in Witcher has sex with 90% of the women in the game that have a plot story element.
It's just a lot of wannabe literary critics who don't understand that not every condemnation needs to be spelled out in 10-foot high neon signage.
Profundity isn't always reached by proclaiming a stance to the viewer. Sometimes just the act of exploring a world and discovering it's nature through the inevitable consequences of life within it is enough.
Maybe it's because people just want to play videogames and have fun so they can forget about their troubles for a little while.
yeah until they put a girl character in crash bandicoot or whatever you things play these days and every, "I just want to have fun and forget about my troubles" guy goes into absolute hysterics
No person with a job that demands attention and effort should care about this stuff after work.
I use to give my pops shit for coming home from work and immidiately turning on Judge Judy and other mindless tv programs. 'Omg why don't you watch documentaries??'
Then I realized he was a engineer / mba / project manager and just wanted mindless entertainment after work. Just like 90% of people who will play that video game.
It's just another case of redditors thinking something is subtle to make themselves feel smarter. Similar to them jerking themselves off to all the "subtle" jokes they recognized in Arrested Development.
it's a hobby, don't stop letting losers on the internet try and out cool you because they're more apathetic, depressed and gay than you could ever dream.
There's nothing wrong with watching capeshit if you admit its just mindless entertaiment, the issue comes when retards compare stan lee to shakespeare.
Half the fun of cyberpunk is being plunked down in a nightmare dystopian society and manipulating your way through it to win. But how dare people enjoy that experience instead of sitting back and huffing their own farts about capitalism lmao
It’s almost as if all they have is politics. Politics politics politics. They are obsessed with politics to the point they say dumb shit like “everything is about politics” without noticing now insanely toxic that mentality is.
At risk of looking the biggest idiot here, take a look at my comment history from yesterday. Got in to a convo with a cth kid because he literally lost his shit when I said both Americans and Soviets fucked up Central America really bad.
Whoever fights yikesposters should see to it that in the process he does not become a yikesposter. If you gaze long enough into the wokeness, the wokeness will gaze back into you.
You said that the communists also destroyed Latin America. Can you elaborate? Are you saying it was Russian backed rebel groups during the cold War, or that far left policies which were parallel to communism lead to anarchy and a disintegration of social institutions? I know about Cuba and Venezuela, but most of what I think of regarding Latin America during the cold war was Iran/Contra, and US backed right wing police states. Love to hear more. Thanks.
Hi Don!
You're a good guy, and I should have known that you would have seen this. Look, just because it's my baby doesn't mean that it wasn't born within your marriage. So that means it's yours to take care of. I already told you, I wouldn't have fucked her over and over again in the hotel she paid for with your money if she didn't beg for it on Tinder.
A lot of people, especially Marxists, think genres like cyberpunk (or even vaporwave) are supposed to be critiques of capitalism, hierarchies, etc.
It's easy to come to this conclusion because cyberpunk almost always includes an oppressive environment and an oppressive authority. Who wants to live in a gritty, dirty, disease-infested concrete/neon jungle and be left powerless by elites who rule with an iron fist, right?
Well, apparently everyone lol.
Almost all devout fans of cyberpunk use the genre as a form of escapism. How can this be the case if cyberpunk is supposed to make us think that capitalism, inequality, and oppression are bad? Mad Max criticizes society for not caring about the environment and having violent tendencies, yet no one in their right mind wants to live in the Mad Marx universe.
I don't know, maybe a lot of people are too sick of the freedom they have in the 21st century and want to live simpler lives.
Frankly to say cyberpunk is just a critique of capitalism is reductionist.
I would say that it’s because we don’t truly want freedom. We want to feel free, we want to seem free, we probably even want to be able to tell ourselves that we are free, but true freedom is probably pretty lonely and miserable.
The same could be said about Mad Max which I mentioned in my post. Or other dystopian movies like, I don't know, Robocop (which isn't cyberpunk despite what some plebeians may think).
Robocop in particular is a very stereotypical good vs evil story, there's no "gray" characters. Yet I imagine most people wouldn't want to live in its settings because it's just a more technologically advanced 21st century city with a shit ton of crime.
the good guys in Robocop aren't very cool. (they're cops)
and I believe you're wrong about nobody wanting to actually live in Mad Max world. i've spent a lot of time around wasteland fanboys and i think a lot of them are sick of the structure and constraints of modern life and imagine a wide-open blank slate to be a potential improvement for them.
The main character is more than a cop- he ends up defecting. The good vs bad story is him (and his side chick) vs the corrupt company that's overtaking the police department.
I also think the number of people who want to live in a post-apocalyptic blood bath in the desert are dwarfed by those who want to live in a sci-fi society where they can NEET the fuck out all day. But that's just my observation.
it's very clear who the bad guys are and the people who fight them are super-cool.
you could say the same shit about the nazis though. like its obvious Weinstein is evil just by looking at him and the guys who fight them wear hugo boss and have cool weapons and tactics.
just fucking once i want someone to actual subvert those expectations. The Iron Dream was made 50 years ago yet is the only book in that entire time to realize how you can show how easily people are tricked by the narratives.
What the people want is the tech of the cyberpunk universe without the societal problems.
Cyberpunk is not always a critique of capitalism, it can be a critique of a lot of things - but cyberpunk is always about some theoretical dark future and thus it is almost always political.
For example; psychopass, where the problem does not come from megacorps but from the government literally enforceing thought crime.
I think it has to do with the fact that in Mad Max, even the best off are still living worse lives than most people today. In a cyberpunk setting, if you are talented or rich, your life could be incredible. Most people who imagine living in a cyberpunk setting are not imagining themselves as part of the proles.
even the poor have cool shit though. like to a kid from 30 years ago we are living in an awesome cyberpunk reality because the poor have access to most movies and tv shows and porn for free. hot naked women at the touch of a button. if you have the money you can get food from any restaurant delivered to you. you can play games with your friends without ever leaving your house and be chauffeured to and from your job even if you're middle class, also you can buy almost anything and within 2 days max it will be at your house. (in 1989 it was considered speedy delivery if you ordered something through the mail or through QVC and it got there in 2 MONTHS.)
not really outside of the fashions and the person they're following. a detective will always have a more exciting life than a guy working at a restaurant.
on the other hand. a decade ago we were basically in an entirely different reality.
2009 most people still didn't have smart phones, which means no uber. no streaming outside of piracy of 240p quality, social media wasn't as big because you had to be a weirdo who was always next to their computer to post online. amazon wasn't as ubiquitous unless you were in a major city, plus 2 day shipping still had that $25 dollar minimum which really limited people's use. even porn sites were shit. pornhub and xvideos were pretty shit early on. also political bullshit wasn't in our face as much. like liberals still made gay and tranny and racist and misognist jokes and it was clear that you were the piece of shit if you dared whine about it as Katherine Hygal learned.
like if we're being honest "the good old days" for most people aren't the 1950s anymore. its the "2000s". if you wanted to remake pleasentville it wouldn't be mocking "leave it to beaver" tropes it would be mocking "HIMYM"
they want to live in a cool world where they have cyborg limbs and go on sexy adventures, they don't really want to live in an opressed society and be powerless.
the main character you play will likely be a cyborg god laying waste to everything, it's the same fantasy in any video game any one plays, in any setting.
I'm talking about the genre in general, not just the game.
The game is an fps so it's obviously going to be a power fantasy to some extent. But generally cyberpunk media have an inherently oppressive setting. Even if no real backstory is mentioned, you can tell by the aesthetics (giant bright structures with dirty people living down below) that there's always some level of oppression going on.
but i think generally the fantasy for people is about being a badass who fights and wins against the regime, they aren't imagining themselves as the pleb who works 15 hours a day for just enough credits to buy one food ration. they want to be a cool cyborg badass in a setting with a cool aesthetic, like that is probably the majority of the appeal.
Not for the cyberpunk fans as far as I've seen on forums. They care more about being an average nobody than being the bladerunner. Obviously it changes from person to person but this seems to be the case for the more dedicated followers of the genre
ok? in your small forums people are weird. some people chat in forums about wanting to be children or babies or slugs. its called outliers. 1 in 10000 people are struck by lightening. but we shouldn't say all of society has just based on those few.
Maybe a lot of people are too sick of the freedom they have in the 21st century and want to live simpler lives?
Simple answer. They don't imagine being the faceless lemmings who are oppressed. They imagine they're the badass cyborg-ninja fighting for freedom. It's just Red Dawn-tier fetishization of freedom fighting but with extra filtering layers of g*mer shit. It has nothing to do with living in the world itself. They fetishize living in a world where they can be a hero and resist something directly. And in the end, if they fail, it's because they were against a stronger foe, not because they're a failure like they are in real life.
you're looking too much into it. people enjoy cyberpunk for the same reason they love rollercoasters its fun but safe. if you fall off a cliff suddenly without noticing you get the same feeling as going down a rollercoaster. yes cyberpunk would be awful to live in but so would falling to the ground from a mile up. yet people love skydiving because its all the best parts of that experience without the awful parts.
I'm pretty sure the only reason that cbers and the SRDines care about this stuff is because they're unemployed or have easy jobs.
CB2ers are absolutely NEETs. SJWs spend 99% of their time fighting internet battles against people they've never met irl and they can't turn off that switch to relax.
Right because most people have real jobs and read books as well as play video games.
These people don’t have real jobs and don’t read books so they’re forced to ram their nonexistent intellectual superiority into their games — when most people play games to zone out.
spends hours debating economic systems and politics more than any economist
comes to best solution is a system in which you pay people potatoes to grow potatoes
At least total anarchy is an option. And by total anarchy I mean a corporate backed prison where people race to death and whoever races best because the leader and ultimate racist as shown in the great movie Death Race 4 beyond anarchy.
Speak for yourself. I game to experience a story. If you aren't challenging yourself and your ideas when you consume a story, you might as well just go watch some popcorn movie that does nothing but validate your world view. You don't even have to hold a controller and push A to win.
Cyberpunk: here's a statement about the for profit sexualization of body modified people in a society where body modification is the norm and trans people are completely normalized.
Woketards: You're sexualizing trans people reeeeeeeee
Cyberpunk: Right, that's the point we're trying...
Woketards: YOU'RE SEXUALIZING TRANS PEOPLE REEEEEEEEEE
They want the dev to make a commentary on corporate greed etc, corporations bad, but they also don't want them to use any minorities to do it. It's really fucking stupid
To top it all off, what the fuck is even wrong with that advertisement? It's objectifying? Welcome to fucking advertisement TODAY let alone in a cyberpunk dystopia.
They also hilariously "assumed gender." There is zero reason to pick trans instead of some sort of other gender queering or, the actual most likely, a dude in makeup.
This was kind of my question as well. How do you create a "transgender" character? Make them masculine looking with feminine features? When you choose the transgender option, what changes? I would assume in the cyberpunk world that modifications and shit are so advanced, someone who was ftm or mtf would be indistinguishable from someone who wasn't trans.
In the case of cyberpunk what the fuck does it even mean to roll a trans character?
Kinda like a post apocalyptic race to the death movie, having minorities and transgender people in it kinda infers that lax sexual stratification in society leads to death racing murderball.
Don't they want trans people sexualized and normalized? Like I don't get it. I thought they'd be offended at the opposite thing but I never understand these types.
It is simple - they do not want women to show their bodies. They are like the old fogeys in the church saying sex is wrong because it makes their pee pee feel funny.
See your problem here is that you think there is a correct way to read and interpret fiction, but you're wrong, sweaty. If it means something else to me than what the author intended, I'm right.
Oh thanks Reddit lit crit, I think I have ocular cancer now
I just don't get where they keep finding all this outrage to be outraged at.
I'm a literal trans communist who spends too much time on subs like this and the internet in general and I never actually see the shit the raging against
Trannie commies never realize that, in their "worker's paradise", they'd be breaking coals and shoveling shit without the hormones and get slapped down if they got lippy.
so does this mean it's over for blackmalecels? looks like trannies have surpassed them so far on the oppression scale they're basically trump supporters by comparison
Can you even "as a black man" if you're actually a black man? Isn't that whole phrase for, like, mayos who pretend to be black so they can give their opinions more weight?
I guess wokescolds will reach for anything that lets them dismiss opinions critical of their bullshit lmao
Where the fuck did the whole progressive stack idea go in these instances? Like these morons want you to defer to minority opinions, but not THOSE minority opinions. Mayo Christ over here will tell these black people what's good for them.
Can you even "as a black man" if you're actually a black man?
Only if you're against the "right side of history".
Woke reddit white people gave me shit for a little bit because I made a comment saying a lot of rap is promoting bad cultural decisions within the black community. Reddit unironically makes me racist against a certain set of white people.
Can you even "as a black man" if you're actually a black man?
Kinda.
I've usually seen it used when you're not pretending to be an identity but your opinion is unpopular within your group, so they accuse you of speaking for everyone or using your identity to give your argument more weight. Obviously said wokescolds do this all the time, I am a gay latino and this is what this thing is problematic it's just that their opinion is correct so said thing doesn't apply.
This is a shitty example even by CB standards though, because he isn't using his identity to support an argument, he's literally telling mayos he doesn't need them to speak for him and in general, I'd say outside of the internet his opinion would not be unpopular.
And honestly in the end everyone should have his opinion on the matter, having certain identity doesn't make your opinions more correct, just offers a (valuable) different perspective.
And honestly in the end everyone should have his opinion on the matter, having certain identity doesn't make your opinions more correct, just offers a (valuable) different perspective.
Can you even "as a black man" if you're actually a black man?
Of course not. You'd have to be a white lefty to even come up with that hot take. They just don't want to admit they're racist and think all black people are the same and any black person that deviates from what they expect can't possibly be what they are.
I thought of “as a black man” was that it was obviously a white guy pretending to be black online. Mike Pondsmith is actually black. This doesn’t make sense.
Tbqh I'm not sure how to respond to this one because I'm kinda lost on what you meant by this. Are you trying to insult me by saying I lost perms on 2bf? First of all that's pathetic, second of all I own the 2bf everyone moved to so it's not even true. Or are you trying to say your server's not dead, in which case I'm not sure what the point of mentioning 2bf was. So which is it?
Can we mod this man? Hes just enough based to not be candace owens, and seems to cause all sorts of drama recently. Fucking admins wont even let me ping him to thank him
As yes, those damn rightoids thinking anarcho communism wouldn’t be the optimal government system in a universe of millions of human worlds barely being able to stem the tide of genocidial monsters and literal demons.
You can't "as a black man" when he's the one that created the fucking setting. If he says CD Projekt Red is doing his setting right then by god they're doing his setting right.
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1 MikeStoklasaBackup 2019-06-17
Maybe it's because people just want to play videogames and have fun so they can forget about their troubles for a little while. I'm pretty sure the only reason that cbers and the SRDines care about this stuff is because they're unemployed or have easy jobs. No person with a job that demands attention and effort should care about this stuff after work.
Even as an International-Relations-cel, I get exhausted with this ridiculous level of analysis these freakshows always undertake
1 Quietus42 2019-06-17
The funny part is they think those themes won't be present, but I guarantee you they will be.
1 ashleychudd 2019-06-17
That’s really it. People recognize cyberpunk settings are dystopian oligarchies where the rich use access to tech to de facto rule over the masses, they just don’t feel the need to write a dissertation on the topic.
1 aef823 2019-06-17
It's quite literally such a common theme that it's a genre.
The fact that they think they have to espouse something so well known just shows the disconnect, I guess.
1 SWIMsfriend 2019-06-17
hitler basically claimed 1920s germany was like that. the problem as John Cusack suddenly realized, is when you define who those rich people are.
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2019-06-17
They will that is like 101 shitty cyperpunk. Expect super dysfunctional evil mega corps and cod philosoph.
1 BlueLantern84 2019-06-17
Correct but you won’t have it made goofishly explicit — “YASS WALLS AREREEE BBADDDD WINK WINK!!”
1 dootwthesickness_II 2019-06-17
I think being located in Poland, even in this globalized world, might insulate CDPR to some extent from the stupidity of American radlibs, so I don’t think the recent whinefest will influence the ultimate quality of the game—
Oh, wait, we’re on /r/Drama, aren’t we? Imagine caring about vidya xd
1 Quietus42 2019-06-17
I don't play video games anymore but I'm actually thinking about picking this one up.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2019-06-17
I only want to play the game if I can fuck the trannies on their poster advertisements the same way Geralt in Witcher has sex with 90% of the women in the game that have a plot story element.
1 Quietus42 2019-06-17
I'd buy the collector's edition for that.
1 dootwthesickness_II 2019-06-17
DLC where Gerald cucks Dandelion.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2019-06-17
Fantasy is not my thing, but this looks pretty cool I might give it a shot.
1 lawlzposting 2019-06-17
There was a witchhunt some time ago because a game set in medieval Poland didn't feature black people so I doubt it.
1 dootwthesickness_II 2019-06-17
And the Polish developers didn’t cave.
1 Yellowofthecornholio 2019-06-17
It's just a lot of wannabe literary critics who don't understand that not every condemnation needs to be spelled out in 10-foot high neon signage.
Profundity isn't always reached by proclaiming a stance to the viewer. Sometimes just the act of exploring a world and discovering it's nature through the inevitable consequences of life within it is enough.
1 darth_stroyer 2019-06-17
ciberpunk say corporashun bad
i think corporashun bad
all ciberpunk conform to my worldview
i went to unversity for this
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-06-17
yeah until they put a girl character in crash bandicoot or whatever you things play these days and every, "I just want to have fun and forget about my troubles" guy goes into absolute hysterics
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
Not really Coco was always in that series. Also she’s adorable I can’t think of a single KiAutist that would unironically hate her
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-06-17
what is it about gamerstm where you seem to only have two modes when interacting with a woman
A: absolute unfiltered hated
or
B: sexual obsession to the point of fetishization
1 diggity_md 2019-06-17
Sir, GCJ is the other way. You have to turn back.
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-06-17
I'm not online enough to know what that acronym stands for
1 ShieldmaidenMathilda 2019-06-17
Gay Cock Juice
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-06-17
Reddit account for 7 years.
Your bad at LARPIng
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-06-17
I'm not here every second of every you day
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
Don’t downvote the lolcow
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-06-17
Ok just every other second of every other day.
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
I said adorable you fucking weirdos. Like a puppy or a small bike
1 taytaybraps 2019-06-17
this might surprise you but the character wasn't created to please your weenie.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-06-17
Speak for yourself.
1 voice_of_ukraine 2019-06-17
sorry but the world revolves around my weenie
also nice flair
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
I said adorable not fuckable
1 dootwthesickness_II 2019-06-17
What kind of manchild even plays mascot platformers? Shame on you.
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
Ouch too real
1 blastiff2 2019-06-17
That guy is an asshole, too. You're both assholes.
1 Fletch71011 2019-06-17
1 atmpls 2019-06-17
I use to give my pops shit for coming home from work and immidiately turning on Judge Judy and other mindless tv programs. 'Omg why don't you watch documentaries??'
Then I realized he was a engineer / mba / project manager and just wanted mindless entertainment after work. Just like 90% of people who will play that video game.
1 ryandanegayin 2019-06-17
Yeah. This is why I stopped criticizing old people TV. MTV can go fuck themselves however, that shit has no reason to be so awful.
1 cragbar 2019-06-17
It's just another case of redditors thinking something is subtle to make themselves feel smarter. Similar to them jerking themselves off to all the "subtle" jokes they recognized in Arrested Development.
1 hobocactus2 2019-06-17
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, this veers dangerously close to capeshit apologism.
1 MikeStoklasaBackup 2019-06-17
I used to read cape-shit up until uni. I still do sometimes for nostalgia >!and even unironically now on rare occasions.!<
1 oPLABleC 2019-06-17
it's a hobby, don't stop letting losers on the internet try and out cool you because they're more apathetic, depressed and gay than you could ever dream.
1 MikeStoklasaBackup 2019-06-17
😮
1 hobocactus2 2019-06-17
Absolutely haram, brother
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1 Adramolino 2019-06-17
There's nothing wrong with watching capeshit if you admit its just mindless entertaiment, the issue comes when retards compare stan lee to shakespeare.
1 exponentialism 2019-06-17
The whole problem with capeshit is when people view it as more than just light entertainment.
There's nothing wrong with just enjoying it. Unless you start buying shit like funkopops.
1 dramasexual 2019-06-17
Imagine being so anti-fun that you write this.
Half the fun of cyberpunk is being plunked down in a nightmare dystopian society and manipulating your way through it to win. But how dare people enjoy that experience instead of sitting back and huffing their own farts about capitalism lmao
1 SpiceAndEvNice 2019-06-17
It’s almost as if all they have is politics. Politics politics politics. They are obsessed with politics to the point they say dumb shit like “everything is about politics” without noticing now insanely toxic that mentality is.
At risk of looking the biggest idiot here, take a look at my comment history from yesterday. Got in to a convo with a cth kid because he literally lost his shit when I said both Americans and Soviets fucked up Central America really bad.
1 Seattle_Bussy_Lmao 2019-06-17
They’re not even obsessed with the policy-side of politics. They’re obsessed with the TMZ-equivalent.
1 dramasexual 2019-06-17
You have to go back
1 SideFumbling 2019-06-17
Sometimes you ironically sweaty-post so much, you become the sweaty.
1 dramasexual 2019-06-17
Whoever fights yikesposters should see to it that in the process he does not become a yikesposter. If you gaze long enough into the wokeness, the wokeness will gaze back into you.
1 CoolsterMcgee 2019-06-17
You said that the communists also destroyed Latin America. Can you elaborate? Are you saying it was Russian backed rebel groups during the cold War, or that far left policies which were parallel to communism lead to anarchy and a disintegration of social institutions? I know about Cuba and Venezuela, but most of what I think of regarding Latin America during the cold war was Iran/Contra, and US backed right wing police states. Love to hear more. Thanks.
1 SideFumbling 2019-06-17
Hi buddy, I think I can address your questions:
eat shit
take care,
1 CoolsterMcgee 2019-06-17
Hi Don! You're a good guy, and I should have known that you would have seen this. Look, just because it's my baby doesn't mean that it wasn't born within your marriage. So that means it's yours to take care of. I already told you, I wouldn't have fucked her over and over again in the hotel she paid for with your money if she didn't beg for it on Tinder.
1 SideFumbling 2019-06-17
yikes
1 ElonMuskarr 2019-06-17
A lot of people, especially Marxists, think genres like cyberpunk (or even vaporwave) are supposed to be critiques of capitalism, hierarchies, etc.
It's easy to come to this conclusion because cyberpunk almost always includes an oppressive environment and an oppressive authority. Who wants to live in a gritty, dirty, disease-infested concrete/neon jungle and be left powerless by elites who rule with an iron fist, right?
Well, apparently everyone lol.
Almost all devout fans of cyberpunk use the genre as a form of escapism. How can this be the case if cyberpunk is supposed to make us think that capitalism, inequality, and oppression are bad? Mad Max criticizes society for not caring about the environment and having violent tendencies, yet no one in their right mind wants to live in the Mad Marx universe.
I don't know, maybe a lot of people are too sick of the freedom they have in the 21st century and want to live simpler lives.
Frankly to say cyberpunk is just a critique of capitalism is reductionist.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-06-17
Not to mention that china is on the leading edge of bringing this brand of dystopian authoritative future a reality.
1 voice_of_ukraine 2019-06-17
because people are retards and are easily baited with neon lights and sick music
1 MikeStoklasaBackup 2019-06-17
Synthwave is kino
1 hobocactus2 2019-06-17
I can never tell if it's supposed to be ironic
But it makes for a pretty good running/exercise playlist
1 dootwthesickness_II 2019-06-17
I would say that it’s because we don’t truly want freedom. We want to feel free, we want to seem free, we probably even want to be able to tell ourselves that we are free, but true freedom is probably pretty lonely and miserable.
1 gilmore606 2019-06-17
it's because in cyberpunk it's very clear who the bad guys are and the people who fight them are super-cool. it's not any more complicated than that.
1 ElonMuskarr 2019-06-17
The same could be said about Mad Max which I mentioned in my post. Or other dystopian movies like, I don't know, Robocop (which isn't cyberpunk despite what some plebeians may think).
Robocop in particular is a very stereotypical good vs evil story, there's no "gray" characters. Yet I imagine most people wouldn't want to live in its settings because it's just a more technologically advanced 21st century city with a shit ton of crime.
1 gilmore606 2019-06-17
the good guys in Robocop aren't very cool. (they're cops)
and I believe you're wrong about nobody wanting to actually live in Mad Max world. i've spent a lot of time around wasteland fanboys and i think a lot of them are sick of the structure and constraints of modern life and imagine a wide-open blank slate to be a potential improvement for them.
1 ElonMuskarr 2019-06-17
The main character is more than a cop- he ends up defecting. The good vs bad story is him (and his side chick) vs the corrupt company that's overtaking the police department.
I also think the number of people who want to live in a post-apocalyptic blood bath in the desert are dwarfed by those who want to live in a sci-fi society where they can NEET the fuck out all day. But that's just my observation.
1 SideFumbling 2019-06-17
It's a real laugh that Marxists envision themselves the temporarily oppressed cyberpunks rather than the champagne socialist oppressors.
1 SWIMsfriend 2019-06-17
you could say the same shit about the nazis though. like its obvious Weinstein is evil just by looking at him and the guys who fight them wear hugo boss and have cool weapons and tactics.
just fucking once i want someone to actual subvert those expectations. The Iron Dream was made 50 years ago yet is the only book in that entire time to realize how you can show how easily people are tricked by the narratives.
1 doombybbr 2019-06-17
What the people want is the tech of the cyberpunk universe without the societal problems.
Cyberpunk is not always a critique of capitalism, it can be a critique of a lot of things - but cyberpunk is always about some theoretical dark future and thus it is almost always political.
For example; psychopass, where the problem does not come from megacorps but from the government literally enforceing thought crime.
1 elephantofdoom 2019-06-17
I think it has to do with the fact that in Mad Max, even the best off are still living worse lives than most people today. In a cyberpunk setting, if you are talented or rich, your life could be incredible. Most people who imagine living in a cyberpunk setting are not imagining themselves as part of the proles.
1 SWIMsfriend 2019-06-17
even the poor have cool shit though. like to a kid from 30 years ago we are living in an awesome cyberpunk reality because the poor have access to most movies and tv shows and porn for free. hot naked women at the touch of a button. if you have the money you can get food from any restaurant delivered to you. you can play games with your friends without ever leaving your house and be chauffeured to and from your job even if you're middle class, also you can buy almost anything and within 2 days max it will be at your house. (in 1989 it was considered speedy delivery if you ordered something through the mail or through QVC and it got there in 2 MONTHS.)
1 elephantofdoom 2019-06-17
Actually now that I think about it, for 99% of people in a cyberpunk dystopia, is life even really much different than it is now?
1 SWIMsfriend 2019-06-17
not really outside of the fashions and the person they're following. a detective will always have a more exciting life than a guy working at a restaurant.
on the other hand. a decade ago we were basically in an entirely different reality.
2009 most people still didn't have smart phones, which means no uber. no streaming outside of piracy of 240p quality, social media wasn't as big because you had to be a weirdo who was always next to their computer to post online. amazon wasn't as ubiquitous unless you were in a major city, plus 2 day shipping still had that $25 dollar minimum which really limited people's use. even porn sites were shit. pornhub and xvideos were pretty shit early on. also political bullshit wasn't in our face as much. like liberals still made gay and tranny and racist and misognist jokes and it was clear that you were the piece of shit if you dared whine about it as Katherine Hygal learned.
like if we're being honest "the good old days" for most people aren't the 1950s anymore. its the "2000s". if you wanted to remake pleasentville it wouldn't be mocking "leave it to beaver" tropes it would be mocking "HIMYM"
1 Trans_Sexual_Weiner 2019-06-17
they want to live in a cool world where they have cyborg limbs and go on sexy adventures, they don't really want to live in an opressed society and be powerless.
the main character you play will likely be a cyborg god laying waste to everything, it's the same fantasy in any video game any one plays, in any setting.
1 ElonMuskarr 2019-06-17
I'm talking about the genre in general, not just the game.
The game is an fps so it's obviously going to be a power fantasy to some extent. But generally cyberpunk media have an inherently oppressive setting. Even if no real backstory is mentioned, you can tell by the aesthetics (giant bright structures with dirty people living down below) that there's always some level of oppression going on.
1 Trans_Sexual_Weiner 2019-06-17
but i think generally the fantasy for people is about being a badass who fights and wins against the regime, they aren't imagining themselves as the pleb who works 15 hours a day for just enough credits to buy one food ration. they want to be a cool cyborg badass in a setting with a cool aesthetic, like that is probably the majority of the appeal.
1 ElonMuskarr 2019-06-17
Not for the cyberpunk fans as far as I've seen on forums. They care more about being an average nobody than being the bladerunner. Obviously it changes from person to person but this seems to be the case for the more dedicated followers of the genre
1 Trans_Sexual_Weiner 2019-06-17
guess i'll take your word for it then i'm not really super into the genre that much as to hang out on forums.
1 SWIMsfriend 2019-06-17
ok? in your small forums people are weird. some people chat in forums about wanting to be children or babies or slugs. its called outliers. 1 in 10000 people are struck by lightening. but we shouldn't say all of society has just based on those few.
1 ElonMuskarr 2019-06-17
We're talking about the people who care about cyberpunk because we're talking about cyberpunk lol
1 MehmedIIDidNoWrong 2019-06-17
Simple answer. They don't imagine being the faceless lemmings who are oppressed. They imagine they're the badass cyborg-ninja fighting for freedom. It's just Red Dawn-tier fetishization of freedom fighting but with extra filtering layers of g*mer shit. It has nothing to do with living in the world itself. They fetishize living in a world where they can be a hero and resist something directly. And in the end, if they fail, it's because they were against a stronger foe, not because they're a failure like they are in real life.
1 SWIMsfriend 2019-06-17
you're looking too much into it. people enjoy cyberpunk for the same reason they love rollercoasters its fun but safe. if you fall off a cliff suddenly without noticing you get the same feeling as going down a rollercoaster. yes cyberpunk would be awful to live in but so would falling to the ground from a mile up. yet people love skydiving because its all the best parts of that experience without the awful parts.
1 Void-Malign 2019-06-17
CB2ers are absolutely NEETs. SJWs spend 99% of their time fighting internet battles against people they've never met irl and they can't turn off that switch to relax.
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
Both sides do that
1 Adramolino 2019-06-17
Who are the cbers?
1 MikeStoklasaBackup 2019-06-17
Circlebrokers
1 BlueLantern84 2019-06-17
Right because most people have real jobs and read books as well as play video games.
These people don’t have real jobs and don’t read books so they’re forced to ram their nonexistent intellectual superiority into their games — when most people play games to zone out.
1 freet0 2019-06-17
No you don't understand, if you set a videogame in the future then it has to be about all of today's social problems.
1 ConstantlyDeathRace 2019-06-17
At least total anarchy is an option. And by total anarchy I mean a corporate backed prison where people race to death and whoever races best because the leader and ultimate racist as shown in the great movie Death Race 4 beyond anarchy.
1 SideFumbling 2019-06-17
Since when is there an ISO standard for cyberpunk? It could be whatever the fuck you want it to be.
1 the_jak 2019-06-17
Speak for yourself. I game to experience a story. If you aren't challenging yourself and your ideas when you consume a story, you might as well just go watch some popcorn movie that does nothing but validate your world view. You don't even have to hold a controller and push A to win.
1 Quietus42 2019-06-17
Cyberpunk: here's a statement about the for profit sexualization of body modified people in a society where body modification is the norm and trans people are completely normalized.
Woketards: You're sexualizing trans people reeeeeeeee
Cyberpunk: Right, that's the point we're trying...
Woketards: YOU'RE SEXUALIZING TRANS PEOPLE REEEEEEEEEE
1 TheBigDogAteMyAss 2019-06-17
Literal brainlets. That advertisement is peek science fiction
1 nybbas 2019-06-17
They want the dev to make a commentary on corporate greed etc, corporations bad, but they also don't want them to use any minorities to do it. It's really fucking stupid
1 JustLions 2019-06-17
But they also simultaneously want minority representation. No matter what, hoes mad.
1 nybbas 2019-06-17
To top it all off, what the fuck is even wrong with that advertisement? It's objectifying? Welcome to fucking advertisement TODAY let alone in a cyberpunk dystopia.
1 JustLions 2019-06-17
They also hilariously "assumed gender." There is zero reason to pick trans instead of some sort of other gender queering or, the actual most likely, a dude in makeup.
1 nybbas 2019-06-17
This was kind of my question as well. How do you create a "transgender" character? Make them masculine looking with feminine features? When you choose the transgender option, what changes? I would assume in the cyberpunk world that modifications and shit are so advanced, someone who was ftm or mtf would be indistinguishable from someone who wasn't trans.
In the case of cyberpunk what the fuck does it even mean to roll a trans character?
1 dramasexual 2019-06-17
That's the secret. What they really want is just to be mad.
1 ConstantlyDeathRace 2019-06-17
Kinda like a post apocalyptic race to the death movie, having minorities and transgender people in it kinda infers that lax sexual stratification in society leads to death racing murderball.
1 Fletch71011 2019-06-17
Don't they want trans people sexualized and normalized? Like I don't get it. I thought they'd be offended at the opposite thing but I never understand these types.
1 dootwthesickness_II 2019-06-17
Trans 👏 women 👏 are 👏 women 👏
Sexualizing women is GROSS
Therefore, sexualizing trans women is GROSS
1 trappysaruh 2019-06-17
depressing boring world
1 atmpls 2019-06-17
Shut up saruh you get enough attention
1 trappysaruh 2019-06-17
i was saying they're are perspective is a depressing boring world, u fool, u moron, u absolute abomination 👻
1 doombybbr 2019-06-17
It is simple - they do not want women to show their bodies. They are like the old fogeys in the church saying sex is wrong because it makes their pee pee feel funny.
1 Woolgun 2019-06-17
See your problem here is that you think there is a correct way to read and interpret fiction, but you're wrong, sweaty. If it means something else to me than what the author intended, I'm right.
1 freet0 2019-06-17
Followed by confusion at their unwillingness to wade into topics like that again.
1 Quietus42 2019-06-17
And that's the really sad part.
1 m0gul6 2019-06-17
Lol well said.
1 diggity_md 2019-06-17
Oh thanks Reddit lit crit, I think I have ocular cancer now
Nigga just look in the mirror
1 911roofer 2019-06-17
Trannie commies never realize that, in their "worker's paradise", they'd be breaking coals and shoveling shit without the hormones and get slapped down if they got lippy.
1 rhyme-ocerus 2019-06-17
They want to call him an uncle Tom so bad
1 tonguelessnitch 2019-06-17
What would happen if someone linked these threads to his reddit account.
1 kaczynskireborn2 2019-06-17
so does this mean it's over for blackmalecels? looks like trannies have surpassed them so far on the oppression scale they're basically trump supporters by comparison
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-17
Did it ever start for blackmalecels?
1 _Suprememe_ 2019-06-17
Straight black cis men are the straight white cis men of the progressive stack.
1 freet0 2019-06-17
They got ally-zoned
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-06-17
Over under on when they have a heated gamer moment?
1 tonguelessnitch 2019-06-17
So white allies eh? More like white debils.
Smh
1 NumerousEvent 2019-06-17
The use of debil instead of devil is hilarious.
1 goofylookinghomo 2019-06-17
get out of here, russian tolle your not gonna divide mE!!!!
1 MehmedIIDidNoWrong 2019-06-17
Nothing sends a radlib into a psychopathic spiral quite like a black man disagreeing with their religion of woke directly.
1 lolcows63 2019-06-17
Man SJWs have decided that any fiction that isn't and SJW agenda material is evil.
It reminds me of the Christians that try and make anything and everything about the devil.
1 doombybbr 2019-06-17
I wonder if they will call this period "the fascistic panic" in history textbooks?
1 dramasexual 2019-06-17
Can you even "as a black man" if you're actually a black man? Isn't that whole phrase for, like, mayos who pretend to be black so they can give their opinions more weight?
I guess wokescolds will reach for anything that lets them dismiss opinions critical of their bullshit lmao
1 taytaybraps 2019-06-17
The point being that your status as a minority doesn't excuse you from having or voicing regressive opinions if you do so.
1 dramasexual 2019-06-17
Where the fuck did the whole progressive stack idea go in these instances? Like these morons want you to defer to minority opinions, but not THOSE minority opinions. Mayo Christ over here will tell these black people what's good for them.
I hate these people so much fam.
1 CuriousKrow 2019-06-17
Only if you're against the "right side of history".
Woke reddit white people gave me shit for a little bit because I made a comment saying a lot of rap is promoting bad cultural decisions within the black community. Reddit unironically makes me racist against a certain set of white people.
1 dramasexual 2019-06-17
1 CapeshitterCOPE 2019-06-17
Rap is cool tho
1 Woolgun 2019-06-17
Kinda.
I've usually seen it used when you're not pretending to be an identity but your opinion is unpopular within your group, so they accuse you of speaking for everyone or using your identity to give your argument more weight. Obviously said wokescolds do this all the time, I am a gay latino and this is what this thing is problematic it's just that their opinion is correct so said thing doesn't apply.
This is a shitty example even by CB standards though, because he isn't using his identity to support an argument, he's literally telling mayos he doesn't need them to speak for him and in general, I'd say outside of the internet his opinion would not be unpopular.
And honestly in the end everyone should have his opinion on the matter, having certain identity doesn't make your opinions more correct, just offers a (valuable) different perspective.
1 swimisafuckingidiot 2019-06-17
😂😂😂
1 Woolgun 2019-06-17
I deserve this for that extremely gay seriouspost tbh.
1 swimisafuckingidiot 2019-06-17
you deserve spankins
1 Woolgun 2019-06-17
That is one fat cat with a degenerate fetish, I like her 😍
You shouldn't threaten me with good time though or I'll take you up on the offer.
1 swimisafuckingidiot 2019-06-17
🥵
1 Woolgun 2019-06-17
Why do cats like butt slapping so much but dogs like butt scratches? 🤔
1 jubbergun 2019-06-17
Of course not. You'd have to be a white lefty to even come up with that hot take. They just don't want to admit they're racist and think all black people are the same and any black person that deviates from what they expect can't possibly be what they are.
1 SpiceAndEvNice 2019-06-17
Internet “woke” kids eliminating someone’s identity because they disagree with them? Shocking! Shocking I tell you.
1 ResistingDaddyDrumpf 2019-06-17
I thought of “as a black man” was that it was obviously a white guy pretending to be black online. Mike Pondsmith is actually black. This doesn’t make sense.
1 OnionBits 2019-06-17
For someone who hates /r/drama you sure post here a lot
1 want-dick-in-butt-xd 2019-06-17
Stay mad babe, how's your server doing? Still dead?
1 OnionBits 2019-06-17
About as dead as your mod perms on 2bf
1 want-dick-in-butt-xd 2019-06-17
Ooo, what a searing insult. I mean it would be more of one if I didn't own 2bf now, but whatever.
1 want-dick-in-butt-xd 2019-06-17
Are you trying to own me by saying I lost perms on a discord server? How I'll ever recover from this one I don't know.
1 want-dick-in-butt-xd 2019-06-17
Tbqh I'm not sure how to respond to this one because I'm kinda lost on what you meant by this. Are you trying to insult me by saying I lost perms on 2bf? First of all that's pathetic, second of all I own the 2bf everyone moved to so it's not even true. Or are you trying to say your server's not dead, in which case I'm not sure what the point of mentioning 2bf was. So which is it?
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-06-17
Can we mod this man? Hes just enough based to not be candace owens, and seems to cause all sorts of drama recently. Fucking admins wont even let me ping him to thank him
1 dootwthesickness_II 2019-06-17
> be black man
> anger the circlebetas
> aSaBlAcKmAn
tfw
1 Drama_banned_me 2019-06-17
> I'm a literal trans communist
​
Stalin, Castro and Mao would throw you in a labor camp faster than you can "Seize the means of production"
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-06-17
As yes, those damn rightoids thinking anarcho communism wouldn’t be the optimal government system in a universe of millions of human worlds barely being able to stem the tide of genocidial monsters and literal demons.
1 whatinconservation 2019-06-17
You can't "as a black man" when he's the one that created the fucking setting. If he says CD Projekt Red is doing his setting right then by god they're doing his setting right.