I am not sure which is more cringey, the litany of erroneous assumptions you splayed out or the act of calling upon the student archetype with the intent of derision. Anti-intellectualism, check. src
It’s fine to argue that the mentally-ill are being manipulated by the pharmaceutical industry, but acting like you’re somehow winning because many of those mentally-ill people end up killing themselves is despicable.
Yeah I understand, people who don't the humanity to serve the economy but the economy to serve humanity clearly have no morals and don't deserve to be called humans.
That's nice to know you're a coward. You want to kill people for no reason so you just say they're not people. Lmao fucking bitch ass, grow some balls and find a real reason if you want to kill people.
Yeah it's funny to kill people I agree, every sunday I take out my baseball bat and go beat up some drunks. That's what I call having fun, all you young pussies do is harass trans people online to have them kill themselves, you got to step it up son. I mean seriously if you had some balls you'd at least shoot up a school.
They deserve you're a fucking pussy. If you had morals and really hated people you'd go kill them, but you're just like chapocels, you're another lowlife edgy cunt who can't match his words with actions.
You're the one who's no different that chapos, they're white kiddos who act like they want to kill rich people while they don't do anything. And you're here pretending like you want people to die while not doing anything. Both of your are LARPers shitheads.
I don't want to kill anyone because I'm not some edge fag like you guys lmao. I'm just here to laugh at the supposed revolutionaries eating themselves and occasionally eating a handful of pillies
Lmao thinking you're worth something because you have a job, nice try coward. We both know you're lying when you can't even tell me what you believe in, fucking trash.
But you're doing it. You say you want people to die. And then you're too much of a coward to defend it. "They're not really human 🤭😅😃" Lmao fucking find a logical argument for once retard.
Then go kill chapos you coward. Oh no you're just an edgy retard who can't match his words with actions? What's the difference between you and chapocels.
A person who can't act on their "beliefs". What I think is that you don't actually hold any belief, you're just a sad lost kid who doesn't understand anything.
Chapos wish death upon people all the time. I've seen threads where they unironically supported civilians getting killed in Venezuela. I'm not gonna defend these pieces of shit.
You don't make any sense. Pathetic kiddo pretending to have values online. You're LARPing just like them, you're pretending to not care about their value and they pretend to be commies. Both of you are sad cowards.
Jews during the holocaust/in concentration camps and blacks during slavery had lower suicide rates than white middle class trannies do in the first world.
If their suicide rate remains the same post and pre op even in the most progressive places on the planet (like sweden with the infamous study), in the most privilidged class (middle class white in the first world) then the issue is with them, not everyone else.
The swedish study evaluated normal people and post op
Their findings on the suicide attempt rate was only significant for those who transitioned before 1989 though. Cultural attitudes and medical procedure have changed a lot since then
From the study: "Even though the overall mortality was increased across both time periods, it did not reach statistical significance for the period 1989–2003."
the williams institute evaluated pre and post op. Table 5
It only evaluated lifetime rates, not before/after. We don't know when attempts for post-op took place
Page 16: "As has been noted, the NTDS instrument did not include questions about the timing of suicide attempts relative to transition, and thus we were unable to determine whether suicidal behavior is significantly reduced following transition-related surgeries, as some clinical studies have suggested (Dixen et al., 1984; De Cuypere
Their findings on the suicide attempt rate were only significant for those who transitioned before 1989 though. Cultural attitudes and medical procedure have changed a lot since then
From the study: "Even though the overall mortality was increased across both time periods, it did not reach statistical significance for the period 1989–2003."
If anything sort of a padded cell results in you necking yourself, the issue is you, not society. We're talking about sweden. I want to re-iterate, jews during the holocaust, people in gulags and black slaves had a lower suicide rate than trannies.
It only evaluated lifetime rates, not before/after. We don't know when attempts for presently post-op individuals took place
No, but the number of subject is significant enough to give us a fairly accurate result due to the law of large numbers, unless the results we got were complete coincidental and could have gone either way.
If anything sort of a padded cell results in you necking yourself, the issue is you, not society. We're talking about sweden. I want to re-iterate, jews during the holocaust, people in gulags and black slaves had a lower suicide rate than trannies.
All those groups also had immediate support networks. There's far more vulnerability in isolation than as part of a group, and untreated illness only makes things worse.
The great majority of studies show that acceptance drastically reduces suicide attempts. Your own Williams source says
"Two interrelated risk factors appear to be most strongly related to suicidal behavior among
transgender and gender non-conforming adults: rejection, discrimination, victimization, and violence related to anti-transgender bias and serious mental health conditions. In this study, we found a markedly high prevalence of lifetime suicide attempts among respondents who reported experiencing stressors related to anti-transgender bias, and among those who reported having a mental health condition that substantially affects a major life activity. In addition, our analyses suggest that these two sets of risk factors are closely related."
No, but the number of subject is significant enough to give us a fairly accurate result due to the law of large numbers, unless the results we got were complete coincidental and could have gone either way.
All those groups also had immediate support networks. There's far more vulnerability to be experienced in isolation than as part of a group, and untreated illness only makes things worse.
The great majority of studies show that acceptance drastically reduces suicide attempts. Your own Williams source says
I am confused does the Swedish study say this as well? Are you honestly implying they're facing rejection, violence, discrimination and victimization in Sweden?
Or do these studies consider being accidentally misgendered a massive discrimination?
I am sure whatever discrimination they face isolation or not is still not as bad as the holocaust
I didn't say it was worse, I said they were vulnerable
I am confused does the Swedish study say this as well? Are you honestly implying they're facing rejection, violence, discrimination and victimization in Sweden? Or do these studies consider being accidentally misgendered a massive discrimination?
"In accordance, the
overall mortality rate was only significantly increased for the group
operated before 1989. However, the latter might also be explained
by improved health care for transsexual persons during 1990s,along with altered societal attitudes towards persons with different
gender expressions.[35]...
Other facets to consider are first that this study reflects the
outcome of psychiatric and somatic treatment for transsexualism
provided in Sweden during the 1970s and 1980s. Since then,
treatment has evolved with improved sex reassignment surgery,
refined hormonal treatment,[11,41] and more attention to
psychosocial care that might have improved the outcome."
Try something more recent
Maybe they should check whether their mental illness plays a bigger role than the actual discrimination they think they face.
Imagine thinking LGBT people never face discrimination. I'm sure they comprise 40% of the youth homeless population for shits and giggles right?
I didn't say it was worse, I said they were vulnerable
So you're saying their mental fortitude is so weak they break under shit that are far less severe?
Imagine thinking LGBT people never face discrimination, especially before 1989. I'm sure they comprise 40% of the youth homeless population for shits and giggles right?
Funny you say LGBT as whole? Do gays and lesbians have similar suicide rates after facing similar homelessness and discrimination?
Again their discrimination and corresponding suicide rates seems disproportionate.
"LGB youth are almost five times as likely to have attempted suicide compared to heterosexual youth"
"LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection."
I mean are you? Look at what you're answer is to my question
"LGB youth are almost five times as likely to have attempted suicide compared to heterosexual youth"
"LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection."
I asked you whether it as high as Trans not "how much higher it is than Heteros?"
40% percent of trans attempting suicide is an extremely high number. Saying it's X times higher than hetero youth (who have the lowest suicide rates if we go by sexual orientation/gender issues) won't answer my question.
From what I know the numbers is 20% for LGB youth only half as bad as trannies.
Data from the Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System indicate that LGB youth are at greater risk for depression, suicide, and substance use and nearly one third (29%) of LGB youth had attempted suicide at least once in the prior year compared with 6% of heterosexual youth
gay males were more likely than non-gay males to have experienced other relationship problems, such as problems with a friend or associate (12.6% vs 2.1%, AOR=5.69, 95% CI=3.20, 10.13), or family relationship problems (16.2% vs 7.9%, AOR=1.97, 95% CI=1.17, 3.32). Gay males were more likely to have had an argument precede the death (21.2% vs 10.1%, AOR=2.03, 95% CI=1.46, 2.81).
Lesbians were also more likely than non-lesbians to have had other relationship problems with a friend or associate (7.8% vs 2.1%, AOR=3.35, 95% CI=1.31, 8.59) or an argument precede the death (29.3% vs 10.6%, AOR=2.88, 95% CI=1.93, 4.29)
All those groups also had immediate support networks. There's far more vulnerability to be experienced in isolation than as part of a group, and untreated illness only makes things worse.
Really? People telling you that cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman is worse than being worked to death in concentration camps and working as a slave under the whip?
The great majority of studies show that acceptance drastically reduces suicide attempts.
No, all they show is that there is a temporary increase in short term happiness.
Your own Williams source says
"We discovered that drinking bleach results in death. It seems that there is an issue with the discrimination bleach drinkers face, our analysis suggests that in order for bleach drinkers to die less they need to face less discrimination instead of not drink bleach."
If "anti transgender bias" is the excuse for suicide then "anti jew bias" during the holocaust and "anti black bias" during slavery and segregation should have resulted in equally if not higher suicide rates.
Its clear they're bullshitting considering their result doesn't line up with reality.
What exactly does this mean?
They've got such a large number of subject that the numbers for pre and post op suicide will naturally skew to the expected value anyway.
Really? People telling you that cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman is worse than being worked to death in concentration camps and working as a slave under the whip?
Tell me how many Jews are kicked out of the house and rejected by their closest friends and family for being Jewish. How many slaves were rejected by their closest friends and family for being slaves?
If you fail to see that someone suffering in isolation is more vulnerable than someone suffering in a community, that's a problem with you
No, all they show is that there is a temporary increase in short term happiness.
Alright Einstein, show me the source that says satisfaction goes down
"We discovered that drinking bleach results in death. It seems that there is an issue with the discrimination bleach drinkers face, our analysis suggests that in order for bleach drinkers to die less they need to face less discrimination instead of not drink bleach."
Are you suggesting that transitioning hurts the trans person? Where does it do that?
They've got such a large number of subject that the numbers for pre and post op suicide will naturally skew to the expected value anyway.
That doesn't make any sense. The post op value of lifetime suicide attempt rates is going to be incredibly skewed by attempts pre-transition. Remove those if you want a proper comparison
Tell me how many Jews are kicked out of the house and rejected by their closest friends and family for being Jewish. How many slaves were rejected by their closest friends and family for being slaves?
None of that is worse than being put in a concentration camp where your starved, tortured, see your friends and and family die. Holy shit, how sheltered are you?
So people whose suffering is objectively worse were less "vulnerable" to suicide than trans folk. So maybe they have bigger issues than rejection from their network?
You realize that a force concentrated on one point exerts more pressure than a force distributed over many, yes? Even when the initial force can be substantially weaker than the first?
You realize that a force concentrated on one point exerts more pressure than a force distributed over many, yes? Even when the initial force can be substantially weaker than the first?
So now you're saying they're suffering is worse? Are you retarded?
And you're not arguing physics but psychology. Even looking at it from a physics point of it's retarded because that implies the force is equal when it's more like using a gun to shoot a specific part of your leg as opposed to dropping a truck on your entire leg.
Tell me how many Jews are kicked out of the house and rejected by their closest friends and family for being Jewish.
Are you serious? Jews were being betrayed by literally everyone around them. They had their property taken away and were being hunted down to be sent in camps. Their own communities were giving them away.
How many slaves were rejected by their closest friends and family for being slaves?
Having your dad tell you that you shouldn't cut your dick off is literally worse than being worked to death under the whip picking cotton.
Are you suggesting that transitioning hurts the trans person?
Where does it do that?
The literal physical body that undergoes extensive physical trauma for one. Having to rape yourself with a dildo to keep the axe wound on your crotch closed, the hormones that cause cancer and cardiovascular issues, alongside emotional instability, combined with whatever supplementary surgeries to turn yourself into a shitty caricature of the opposite sex. Not to mention the sterility of course and all the other complications that arise as a result of literally physically mutilating yourself.
The cure to anorexia is not liposuciton
That doesn't make any sense. The post op value of lifetime suicide attempt rates is going to be incredibly skewed by attempts pre-transition. Remove those if you want a proper comparison
Except we still have the swedish study showing post op suicide rate and the williams one showing the pre-op.
Also, lol at the implication that causing grievous physical harm to your body with thousands of complications and no results would help.
If a mentally-ill child is bullied and kills themselves, do you say the bullying couldn’t have been a factor because children who aren’t mentally-ill but still have been bullied haven’t killed themselves?
I swear to god, it's always that. Give gays an inch and they'll take a mile. Hussie made a mistake by creating it. ~~Nobody look at my profile picture please.~~
Nah, it's a really old and dated meme named Crab rave. Started on r/OkBuddyRetard (tranny originated sub) but it's long dead since. Just like what the retards at r/frenworld did with Apu Apustaja, they want to bring back a dead meme but now with political connotations.
I don't think memes have an expiration date. Not really going to take Republicans seriously on the rules of humor, since they are where jokes go to die. They only have like one joke anyways.
They definitely have more jokes but they're still raging faggots. Anyone who unironically calls themself a democrat or republican is probably humorless anyways.
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1 ashleychudd 2019-06-27
40% of crabs will commit suicide.
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2019-06-27
Harass transgender people
They become depressed
lol gottem
It’s fine to argue that the mentally-ill are being manipulated by the pharmaceutical industry, but acting like you’re somehow winning because many of those mentally-ill people end up killing themselves is despicable.
1 OppaiDaisukiUwU 2019-06-27
They were depressed and mentally ill before you "harassed" (lol u couldn't harass anyone even if you tried, nicecel) them.
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2019-06-27
Yes, that’s why it’s especially terrible to still harass them.
1 OppaiDaisukiUwU 2019-06-27
Nah that's a good thing.
40% is simply not enough. It needs to be 100%, in fact, everyone who supports them in general should be harassed.
1 IsraeliArmyWaifu 2019-06-27
What about trappysaruh?
1 LaptopEnforcer 2019-06-27
An unfortunate side effect. However the loss of 65% of drama mods will not have any effect on this shithole anyway
1 OppaiDaisukiUwU 2019-06-27
I never heard about then so they aren't relevant.
1 diggity_md 2019-06-27
Imagine a world in which the Jews shoah'd themselves because someone posted an attack helicopter meme
1 AmschelGoldstein 2019-06-27
Implying tranny suicide isn't a win for everyone 😂😂
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Trannies necking isn't a good thing because they're people, but once they become Chapos, they're not people so it's funny again
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Yeah I understand, people who don't the humanity to serve the economy but the economy to serve humanity clearly have no morals and don't deserve to be called humans.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
All Chapos serve is themselves to the coroner
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
You still haven't given a reason, you hate filled prick.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Chapos are a stimulus package to the funeral business
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
So are you.
1 Anagalbroke2 2019-06-27
lmbo
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
I'm not a Chapo so I have no reason to neck tbh
1 Tobor27 2019-06-27
Holy shit
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-06-27
My boy Esteban Frances is based.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-27
Imagine defending chapos 😂
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Imagine wishing death on someone for no reason 😂
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Literally not people
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
That's nice to know you're a coward. You want to kill people for no reason so you just say they're not people. Lmao fucking bitch ass, grow some balls and find a real reason if you want to kill people.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Okay, this is epic
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
https://dougwalton.ca/~dougwalt/papers%20in%20pdf/96straw.pdf
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Lmao
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Proof that Chapos are not human
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Damn, top tier logic my dude, you really got them.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
But it's a fact so it's funny when they 40%, correct?
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Yeah it's funny to kill people I agree, every sunday I take out my baseball bat and go beat up some drunks. That's what I call having fun, all you young pussies do is harass trans people online to have them kill themselves, you got to step it up son. I mean seriously if you had some balls you'd at least shoot up a school.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
But kids, while almost equally disgusting, do not deserve it.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
They deserve you're a fucking pussy. If you had morals and really hated people you'd go kill them, but you're just like chapocels, you're another lowlife edgy cunt who can't match his words with actions.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
So like, to get your respect, he'd have to kill someone? You seem like the weird one.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Yeah. I only respect people who don't talk out of their ass. If you think someone should be dead, go kill them.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
Do you have anyone you want dead?
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
No.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Well you're a Chapo so there's a 40% chance that you do 🤭🤭🤭
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
I shit on chapo retards daily but sure mate.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
🤭
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
You're the one who's no different that chapos, they're white kiddos who act like they want to kill rich people while they don't do anything. And you're here pretending like you want people to die while not doing anything. Both of your are LARPers shitheads.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
🤭
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
I don't know, I at least have an argument instead of hiding behind retarded drawings.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
You make one retarded drawing and suddenly you're a retard.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Exactly.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Why would I argue for facts lmao, you're incorrect
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Because you know that you don't have a functionning moral system.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Laughing at the plight of the Chapocel is moral though. They deserve it
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Keep lying to yourself, one day you'll believe it.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
He does believe it tho.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Because it's true
1 Wordshark 2019-06-27
Ok
“Chapos are people”
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
I don't want to kill anyone because I'm not some edge fag like you guys lmao. I'm just here to laugh at the supposed revolutionaries eating themselves and occasionally eating a handful of pillies
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
"Just here to laugh". Nice excuse for being useless.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
But I have a job that's useful lmao. And I'm not a Chapo. Truly a superior person, and I'm a person at that. Unlike chapos
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Lmao thinking you're worth something because you have a job, nice try coward. We both know you're lying when you can't even tell me what you believe in, fucking trash.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
"heh this dude doesn't even want to LARP as a stone cold killer online, what a dweeb" -Mayo kid on Mom's wifi
Absolutely epic
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
But you're doing it. You say you want people to die. And then you're too much of a coward to defend it. "They're not really human 🤭😅😃" Lmao fucking find a logical argument for once retard.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Find one person that thinks Chapos are people. You cant
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
You.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Incorrect
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Yet you wouldn't kill one. You think they're human wether you want it or not coward.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
I don't want to kill a cow, either.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Really? You're a fucking pussy mate.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
Define pussy.
1 TheodorHerzl 2019-06-27
Yo gender neutral language please. Christ sake
1 Butch_Patterson 2019-06-27
https://i.imgur.com/y950M0U.jpg
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-27
Show me where I've wished death upon them.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
You don't want to defend chapo users against a guy who said he wants to see them dead. So you're fine with them being dead.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
Yes?
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
I know it's hard to follow a conversation you're not part of.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
Nobody here wishes death on anyone. That being said, chapos aren't people. Imagine getting upset at a man swatting a fly.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Then go kill chapos you coward. Oh no you're just an edgy retard who can't match his words with actions? What's the difference between you and chapocels.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
The difference is I'm a person.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
A person who can't act on their "beliefs". What I think is that you don't actually hold any belief, you're just a sad lost kid who doesn't understand anything.
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
Probably right 😩😩😩
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-27
Chapos wish death upon people all the time. I've seen threads where they unironically supported civilians getting killed in Venezuela. I'm not gonna defend these pieces of shit.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Sure.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-27
You can't try to use shitty appeals to emotions here. You'd have a better time persuading people by showing your mayo bussy.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
It's not an appeal to emotion. It's an appeal to human rights you uneducated dork.
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
CHAPOS
ARE
NOT
HUMAN
they don't have human rights lmao
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-27
😪😪😪😪
Getting told to keep yourself safe isn't a fucking infringement on humans rights you retard.
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Yikes.
1 UhmThatsAYikesSweaty 2019-06-27
Uhm like can we unpack this sweaty??
1 YaBoyStevieF 2019-06-27
Eww, I would never want to actually see a chapocel.
🤭🤭🤭
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
Imagine.
1 jubbergun 2019-06-27
Who said there was no reason?
1 lolcows63 2019-06-27
.>Edit* Don't downvote the lolcow
This rule needs to be sticking look how many downvotes these cows are taking its just disgraceful, such poor passive miking powers.
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-06-27
no just chapos
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Just because you don't value your life doesn't mean others don't mate.
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-06-27
i value mine just not communists
theyre bascially like ants lmao whoops stepped on one who cares though
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
Chapocels aren't communists lol.
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-06-27
they think they are and thats good enough for me
1 drunkfrenchman 2019-06-27
You don't make any sense. Pathetic kiddo pretending to have values online. You're LARPing just like them, you're pretending to not care about their value and they pretend to be commies. Both of you are sad cowards.
1 yetanotherbaldcunt 2019-06-27
Your grimy seriousposting hands are all over this sub at the moment. At least pretend to not being an autist plz.
1 Adramolino 2019-06-27
Jews during the holocaust/in concentration camps and blacks during slavery had lower suicide rates than white middle class trannies do in the first world.
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2019-06-27
If transgender people are largely mentally-ill, they could be more susceptible to harassment than other demographics.
1 Adramolino 2019-06-27
If their suicide rate remains the same post and pre op even in the most progressive places on the planet (like sweden with the infamous study), in the most privilidged class (middle class white in the first world) then the issue is with them, not everyone else.
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
That study didn't evaluate pre and post op...
1 Adramolino 2019-06-27
The swedish study evaluated normal people and post op, the williams institute evaluated pre and post op. Table 5
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
Their findings on the suicide attempt rate was only significant for those who transitioned before 1989 though. Cultural attitudes and medical procedure have changed a lot since then
From the study: "Even though the overall mortality was increased across both time periods, it did not reach statistical significance for the period 1989–2003."
It only evaluated lifetime rates, not before/after. We don't know when attempts for post-op took place
Page 16: "As has been noted, the NTDS instrument did not include questions about the timing of suicide attempts relative to transition, and thus we were unable to determine whether suicidal behavior is significantly reduced following transition-related surgeries, as some clinical studies have suggested (Dixen et al., 1984; De Cuypere
et al., 2006)."
1 Adramolino 2019-06-27
If anything sort of a padded cell results in you necking yourself, the issue is you, not society. We're talking about sweden. I want to re-iterate, jews during the holocaust, people in gulags and black slaves had a lower suicide rate than trannies.
No, but the number of subject is significant enough to give us a fairly accurate result due to the law of large numbers, unless the results we got were complete coincidental and could have gone either way.
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
All those groups also had immediate support networks. There's far more vulnerability in isolation than as part of a group, and untreated illness only makes things worse.
The great majority of studies show that acceptance drastically reduces suicide attempts. Your own Williams source says
"Two interrelated risk factors appear to be most strongly related to suicidal behavior among
transgender and gender non-conforming adults: rejection, discrimination, victimization, and violence related to anti-transgender bias and serious mental health conditions. In this study, we found a markedly high prevalence of lifetime suicide attempts among respondents who reported experiencing stressors related to anti-transgender bias, and among those who reported having a mental health condition that substantially affects a major life activity. In addition, our analyses suggest that these two sets of risk factors are closely related."
What exactly does this mean?
1 Takvids 2019-06-27
I am confused does the Swedish study say this as well? Are you honestly implying they're facing rejection, violence, discrimination and victimization in Sweden?
Or do these studies consider being accidentally misgendered a massive discrimination?
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
I didn't say it was worse, I said they were vulnerable
"In accordance, the overall mortality rate was only significantly increased for the group operated before 1989. However, the latter might also be explained by improved health care for transsexual persons during 1990s,along with altered societal attitudes towards persons with different gender expressions.[35]...
Other facets to consider are first that this study reflects the outcome of psychiatric and somatic treatment for transsexualism provided in Sweden during the 1970s and 1980s. Since then, treatment has evolved with improved sex reassignment surgery, refined hormonal treatment,[11,41] and more attention to psychosocial care that might have improved the outcome."
Try something more recent
Imagine thinking LGBT people never face discrimination. I'm sure they comprise 40% of the youth homeless population for shits and giggles right?
1 Takvids 2019-06-27
Funny you say LGBT as whole? Do gays and lesbians have similar suicide rates after facing similar homelessness and discrimination?
Again their discrimination and corresponding suicide rates seems disproportionate.
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
Are you really this dense or what?
I mean yeah
"LGB youth are almost five times as likely to have attempted suicide compared to heterosexual youth"
"LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection."
1 Takvids 2019-06-27
I mean are you? Look at what you're answer is to my question
I asked you whether it as high as Trans not "how much higher it is than Heteros?"
40% percent of trans attempting suicide is an extremely high number. Saying it's X times higher than hetero youth (who have the lowest suicide rates if we go by sexual orientation/gender issues) won't answer my question.
From what I know the numbers is 20% for LGB youth only half as bad as trannies.
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
From the American Journal of Preventative Medicine32436-X/fulltext)
Is 30% not high enough for you?
1 Adramolino 2019-06-27
Really? People telling you that cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman is worse than being worked to death in concentration camps and working as a slave under the whip?
No, all they show is that there is a temporary increase in short term happiness.
"We discovered that drinking bleach results in death. It seems that there is an issue with the discrimination bleach drinkers face, our analysis suggests that in order for bleach drinkers to die less they need to face less discrimination instead of not drink bleach."
If "anti transgender bias" is the excuse for suicide then "anti jew bias" during the holocaust and "anti black bias" during slavery and segregation should have resulted in equally if not higher suicide rates.
Its clear they're bullshitting considering their result doesn't line up with reality.
They've got such a large number of subject that the numbers for pre and post op suicide will naturally skew to the expected value anyway.
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
Tell me how many Jews are kicked out of the house and rejected by their closest friends and family for being Jewish. How many slaves were rejected by their closest friends and family for being slaves?
If you fail to see that someone suffering in isolation is more vulnerable than someone suffering in a community, that's a problem with you
Alright Einstein, show me the source that says satisfaction goes down
Are you suggesting that transitioning hurts the trans person? Where does it do that?
That doesn't make any sense. The post op value of lifetime suicide attempt rates is going to be incredibly skewed by attempts pre-transition. Remove those if you want a proper comparison
1 Takvids 2019-06-27
None of that is worse than being put in a concentration camp where your starved, tortured, see your friends and and family die. Holy shit, how sheltered are you?
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
I never said it was worse, I said it left you more vulnerable
If you want to throw out all nuance and make suffering some kind of competition please do it on your own time
1 Takvids 2019-06-27
So people whose suffering is objectively worse were less "vulnerable" to suicide than trans folk. So maybe they have bigger issues than rejection from their network?
1 zodigwen 2019-06-27
You realize that a force concentrated on one point exerts more pressure than a force distributed over many, yes? Even when the initial force can be substantially weaker than the first?
Would you like to complain to physics as well?
1 Takvids 2019-06-27
So now you're saying they're suffering is worse? Are you retarded?
And you're not arguing physics but psychology. Even looking at it from a physics point of it's retarded because that implies the force is equal when it's more like using a gun to shoot a specific part of your leg as opposed to dropping a truck on your entire leg.
1 Adramolino 2019-06-27
Are you serious? Jews were being betrayed by literally everyone around them. They had their property taken away and were being hunted down to be sent in camps. Their own communities were giving them away.
Having your dad tell you that you shouldn't cut your dick off is literally worse than being worked to death under the whip picking cotton.
The literal physical body that undergoes extensive physical trauma for one. Having to rape yourself with a dildo to keep the axe wound on your crotch closed, the hormones that cause cancer and cardiovascular issues, alongside emotional instability, combined with whatever supplementary surgeries to turn yourself into a shitty caricature of the opposite sex. Not to mention the sterility of course and all the other complications that arise as a result of literally physically mutilating yourself.
The cure to anorexia is not liposuciton
Except we still have the swedish study showing post op suicide rate and the williams one showing the pre-op.
Also, lol at the implication that causing grievous physical harm to your body with thousands of complications and no results would help.
1 LongPostBot 2019-06-27
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1 rDramaWorstsubreddit 2019-06-27
Your premise is generally correct, but wouldnt upper class white people be more privileged?
1 Mayos_side 2019-06-27
If your mental well-being relies so heavily on every single person who communicates with you lying to you, you might deserve to be snipped.
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-06-27
everyone gets bullied but for some magical reason normal kids dont kill themselves en masse
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2019-06-27
If a mentally-ill child is bullied and kills themselves, do you say the bullying couldn’t have been a factor because children who aren’t mentally-ill but still have been bullied haven’t killed themselves?
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-06-27
no im saying dont pretend your identity is something dumb if you dont want to get picked on
like furries
trans shit isnt actually real so who cares just be a regular person
effeminate boys and masculine girls have always existed, let kids be kids
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2019-06-27
I’m not saying it is.
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-06-27
yeah ultimately i say punish the parents
but for real you cant brainwash your kid into being a mental case and then blame society for saying "what the fuck"
1 rapeplaypenpals 2019-06-27
harassing them is just telling them they need to not take gay drugs lol
1 Wheretheflowersgrew 2019-06-27
My shitty work pc just shows rectangles.
1 le_epic_xd_part_2 2019-06-27
And obviously they're Chapoids as well
1 Silence_Diabetic 2019-06-27
Great idea chapomongs
1 Al_ButteredToast 2019-06-27
🤢🤢🤮😴
1 loli_esports 2019-06-27
boi
1 Luigichu1238 2019-06-27
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrabWorld/comments/buybhn/innocuous_homestuck_meme/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
🤢🤢🤢
1 ryandanegayin 2019-06-27
I swear to god, it's always that. Give gays an inch and they'll take a mile. Hussie made a mistake by creating it. ~~Nobody look at my profile picture please.~~
1 IqtaKadabra 2019-06-27
I looked
1 TheColdTurtle 2019-06-27
I wonder if hussie is suicidal
1 YourLocalMonarchist 2019-06-27
so unoriginal they steal memes from runescape
1 DaBigToe 2019-06-27
Are you talking about pepe?
1 lolcows63 2019-06-27
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrabWorld/comments/bvpn58/take_the_crab_pill/
2nd all time post lol
1 Dramacel69 2019-06-27
why crabs? is there a reason to why it's crabs, is it based on some kind of meme?
1 bareballzthebitch 2019-06-27
I think it's in response to the Lobster movement (Peterson).
1 ryandanegayin 2019-06-27
Nah, it's a really old and dated meme named Crab rave. Started on r/OkBuddyRetard (tranny originated sub) but it's long dead since. Just like what the retards at r/frenworld did with Apu Apustaja, they want to bring back a dead meme but now with political connotations.
1 DaBigToe 2019-06-27
Actually funny unlike you sorry clowns.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-27
The crab meme has been dead since early February.
1 DaBigToe 2019-06-27
I don't think memes have an expiration date. Not really going to take Republicans seriously on the rules of humor, since they are where jokes go to die. They only have like one joke anyways.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-27
What's the joke?
1 DaBigToe 2019-06-27
something something becareful don't misgender, lol sjw. Something stupid like that.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-06-27
They definitely have more jokes but they're still raging faggots. Anyone who unironically calls themself a democrat or republican is probably humorless anyways.
1 Trandere 2019-06-27
1 HammerSpamAtlantic 2019-06-27
seething
1 DaBigToe 2019-06-27
okay
1 lewds28 2019-06-27
I mean, it's not as pathetic as baby speak frogs but it's also devoid of anything actually funny. Honestly Lobster Daddy memes are better
1 Mrtheliger 2019-06-27
Lol pathetic
1 Phantom_Engineer 2019-06-27
The smart thing would be to repurpose the clowns.
Ex.
The world is melting, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. People are having to sell plasma to make rent. Clownworld is real.
1 Ingelri 2019-06-27
This is actually convincing though, and therefore unacceptable
1 jubbergun 2019-06-27
What's hilarious is that it's the same handful of people making posts, and they don't even have three pages worth of content after a month.
1 RevolverHotTubRevive 2019-06-27
HAHA THE PARTY I HAVE NO ARGUMENTS AGAINST GOT FORCEFULLY REMOVED FROM THE DEBATE BY MOM I WIN HAHA XXDDD 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀