What’s worse? Fascism or degeneracy? r/unpopularopinion has a calm, measured debate on the subtle and complex intricacies of differing ideologies.

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In The Lord of the Rings, J. R. R. Tolkien drew upon the language and themes found in the old Medieval hero-tales in order to construct a kind of new mythology. The brilliance of Tolkien was in his departure from the Pagan modes of conduct and morality of these old tales, his creation of a syncretistic fusion between Christian thought and Pagan language, and so his work achieved a deep resonance with all who read it.

We find this passage at the conclusion of The Return of the King:

The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare.

Adversaries in the stories that Tolkien drew upon, Grendel, Mordred and the like, often served as obstacles that the heroes could overcome through feats of strength and cunning. Sauron is not like them. When Sauron is defeated, it is not because Aragorn is stronger than him or because Gandalf is wiser. They are not. It is only that his hubris was so great that it never occured to him that anyone would want to destroy the thing he held so dear. It is not until the final few seconds of his existence that he realises his mistake.

I think that I Am Jazz displays a similar moment. In the pictured scene, Jazz's journey to what he believes is womanhood is almost complete. He is resting after surgery, a triumphant smile on his face, his rotting groin held together by a labyrinthine patchwork of stitches and grafts. But as Eru Ilúvatar nudged Gollum over the Crack of Doom into the fires beneath, so too does the God of our world intervene in this.

Pop!

In a second, the follies of men are undone and Jazz's crotch explodes, a meaty froth of blood and pus pouring out of the hole where his penis used to be.

In that moment of blind panic and terror, Jazz is Sauron. All triumph and victory is gone. Only the Void remains.

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A fascist cares about their country and its future.

Yeah, fascists have a good track record of making their countries better, as long as you count dragging them into unwinnable wars of conquest that nearly destroy them.

yeah but on the other hand bussy lmao

What's interesting to me is how conservatives never change. They were saying this exact shit in Weimar Germany to support nazis.

They were on campaigns against "city degeneracy" and sexual liberation, the whole 9 yards.

Every single generation these people come back, making the same fallacious arguments, repeating the same bullshit, and supporting the same demagogues.

I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.

It all adds up.

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wow. in one savage comment, you obliterated the entire conservative movement.

great job lefty

I mean, am I wrong? Why is it every generation conservatives are repeating the same bad arguments and supporting the same demagogues?

I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.

It all adds up.

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I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.

It all adds up.

I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.

It all adds up.

" Why is it every generation conservatives are repeating the same bad arguments and supporting the same demagogues? "
You cited one reddit comment and one specific ideology of one society. That's hardly a proof that this is a timeless characteristic in society. Go read Edmund Burke and tell me if you think he makes the same arguments. Then me and OP will certainly believe in you.

I'm a leftist by the way.

Are you gonna make me cite to you the examples from the 3rd reich trilogy of conservative mobilization against city degeneracy, birth control, gay sex, and abortion?

I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.

It all adds up.

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That's still two examples. Not exactly comprehensive though, is it?

Also, are all maoists, stalinists, leninists, and marxists the same just because they talk about capitalism and workers' rights? Could it perhaps be that ideologies that exist in a similar context have similar premises? Or perhaps are they all mistaken for exactly the same reasons, which sounds rather odd since you are generalizing conservatism out of one single reddit comment?

I am debating you, not a book. If you think I'm wrong, then show the evidence to me. If you don't care that I continue to espouse my wrong ideas, then just dismiss this comment. I'll gladly read whatever you cite.

That's still two examples. Not exactly comprehensive though, is it?

Those are MASSIVE examples. Weimar conservatives were spouting the same rhetoric American conservatives do.

Word for word.

I am debating you, not a book.

You're in for a let down, because I like to support the things I say using academic sources. I get that's a bit alarming to someone such as yourself, that prefers the realm of feelings.

I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.

It all adds up.

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Pizza posts enough that making it reply only randomly would be both sufficient and funnier when it does.

"You're in for a let down, because I like to support the things I say using academic sources." You didn't read that right, I do not reject academic sources. When I enter a debate, however, I am only concerned with the person I am talking about. Being pointed out to a variety of resources is of no concern to me. I do believe that if what you truly believe is actually right, then you can certainly distill its core argument in a reddit post, the same way a pop science article can reasonably tell you why it makes sense that the earth is round and not flat.

"Word for word. As for your memes about communism, yes, they're all pretty much the same at the core. They all drink from the same ideological pool." Then why does it matter that conservatism repeats itself? This is clearly not special to the right-wing. Would you point this out if you saw a reddit thread quoted from late capitalism? If you think the conservative thought can be distilled into all of this biggotry just because a reddit post repeated the surface-level ideology of nazism, then there's not much help. You are also rejecting the possibility that this person is directly, or indirectly informed by sources that take their arguments and ideas explicitly from nazi ideology. If this is the case then it's not because conservatism is all the same, but really that a particular strand of conservatism is repeated. And Nazi ideology is pretty revolutionary itself, mind you. This person probably advocates for extreme social change, just pretty opposite of what a communist would advocate for.

Posts like this is why I do Heroine.

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Fix your formatting, I'm not reading this mess.

I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.

It all adds up.

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Done.

No, you didn't. Do you honestly not know how to quote on Reddit?

I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.

It all adds up.

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You didn't read that right, I do not reject academic sources. When I enter a debate, however, I am only concerned with the person I am talking about. Being pointed out to a variety of resources is of no concern to me. I do believe that if what you truly believe is actually right, then you can certainly distill its core argument in a reddit post, the same way a pop science article can reasonably tell you why it makes sense that the earth is round and not flat.

Claiming you argue with people and not books is exactly a rejection of academic sources. That's even more evident by the fact you think books are on equal footing with "pop science articles."

Then why does it matter that conservatism repeats itself? This is clearly not special to the right-wing. Would you point this out if you saw a reddit thread quoted from late capitalism? If you think the conservative thought can be distilled into all of this biggotry just because a reddit post repeated the surface-level ideology of nazism, then there's not much help.

Why does it matter if conservatives repeat the same talking points that lead to supporting demagogues, pushing conspiracies, and basically making society worse in every way possible?

This is not surface level. These people believe the same stupid shit they have believed for over 80 years. They're as dumb and incompetent as commies.

You are also rejecting the possibility that this person is directly, or indirectly informed by sources that take their arguments and ideas explicitly from nazi ideology. If this is the case then it's not because conservatism is all the same, but really that a particular strand of conservatism is repeated. And Nazi ideology is pretty revolutionary itself, mind you

Who cares where he got it from, it's standard conservative rhetoric all the same.

No, nazi ideology is not "revolutionary" and that's a fundamental misunderstanding of nazism. For example, Robert Paxton, the anatomy of fascism:

For fascists, the dysfunctional capitalism of the interwar period did not need fundamental reordering; its ills could be cured simply by applying sufficient political will to the creation of full employment and productivity. Once in power, fascist regimes confiscated property only from political opponents, foreigners, or Jews. None altered the social hierarchy, except to catapult a few adventurers into high places. At most, they replaced market forces with state economic management, but, in the trough of the Great Depression, most businessmen initially approved of that. If fascism was “revolutionary,” it was so in a special sense, far removed from the word’s meaning as usually understood from 1789 to 1917, as a profound overturning of the social order and the redistribution of social, political, and economic power.

In fact, one of the reasons Hitler purged the brownshirts of leaders he didn't like is they were obsessed with the idea of a revolution, a 2nd revolution, or the continuing revolution. There was no revolution, Nazism was not revolutionary. True: it can't be defined as simply conservative, but a mix of both, as Richard Evans writes in the 3rd reich trilogy:

The Nazis declared that they would scrape away foreign and alien encrustations on the German body politic, ridding the country of Communism, Marxism, ‘Jewish’ liberalism, cultural Bolshevism, feminism, sexual libertinism, cosmopolitanism, the economic and power-political burdens imposed by Britain and France in 1919, ‘Western’ democracy and much else. They would lay bare the true Germany. This was not a specific historical Germany of any particular date or constitution, but a mythical Germany that would recover its timeless racial soul from the alienation it had suffered under the Weimar Republic. Such a vision did not involve just looking back, or forward, but both.

The conservatives who levered Hitler into power shared a good deal of this vision. They really did look back with nostalgia to the past, and yearn for the restoration of the Hohenzollern monarchy and the Bismarckian Reich. But these were to be restored in a form purged of what they saw as the unwise concessions that had been made to democracy. In their vision of the future, everyone was to know their place, and the working classes especially were to be kept where they belonged, out of the political decision-making process altogether. But this vision cannot really be seen as pre-industrial or pre-modern, either. It was shared in large measure, for one thing, by many of the big industrialists who did so much to undermine Weimar democracy, and by many modern, technocratic military officers whose ambition was to launch a modern war with the kind of advanced military equipment that the Treaty of Versailles forbade them to deploy. Like other people at other times and in other places, the conservatives, as much as Hitler, manipulated and rearranged the past to suit their own present purposes. They cannot be reduced to expressions of ‘pre-industrial’ social groups. Many of them, from capitalist Junker landlords looking for new markets, to small retailers and white-collar workers whose means of support had not even existed before industrialization, were as much modern as they were traditional. It was these congruities in vision that persuaded men like Papen, Schleicher and Hindenburg that it would be worth legitimizing their rule by co-opting the mass movement of the Nazi Party into a coalition government whose aim was to erect an authoritarian state on the ruins of the Weimar Republic.

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It all adds up.

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I've known more coherent downies.

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Weimar

And then, for no reason at all, the people elected Adolph Hitler.

Why is it every generation conservatives are repeating the same bad arguments and supporting the same demagogues?

Never anything new.

New is not our job. Finding new ways to degrade yourself is the liberal's job.

He said, as he sorted fent out of his sister/mom's anus while a poster of Roy Moore loomed over them.

Congratulations, you lost to a fucking pizzashill comment you profound moron

dude bussy

Wow almost as if fascism was a direct response to commies and degeneracy.

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Pizza,do you really think that these bipedal tumors can think beyond their little 80 years old manifestos? They can't.

Is there a more cucked ideology than fascism? You’re basically admitting that you want to be dommed by another man.

Except you never actually get a dick in your ass and even if you did, it'd be from some deadend fatty with a shitty haircut who's too pussy to fully take off his pants.

This but unironically. Anarcho-Monarchist Paradise when?

this but unironically, anarcho-kaczynski monarchist warfare paradise

anarchocapitalism all the way.

Never saw myself upboating 🍕, but here we are.

Fascism built everything that allows you to be a gay faggot on the internet.

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that wasn't true fascism. true fascism has never been tried.

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i love how they referred to alessandra MUSSOLINI as a “pop singer turned politician” as opposed to the granddaughter of daddy fash himself

He even choose the most dumb whore of the whole modern Italian far right. That's a big accomplishment

They love her for her grandfather though, not her actual accomplishments:

“Crossdressing Nazis”

Actually looked this up, apparently they would crossdress, as female characters in plays, to entertain themselves. Or for funny pictures next to their girlfriends “who were dressed in their boyfriends uniforms” Apparently almost every country did this too, weirdly enough. For example here’s some U.S soldiers doing it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XCjSw8grUck

Don't bother, braindead chapos think there were was some trannie epidemic plaguing the nazis because of a few pictures, and because their queen contrapoints told them so.

That’s funny, especially considering the Nazis burned tranny books, and closed thousands of urban bars “like the Eldorado club” that were meant for gays, and trannies.

i mean tbf the soldiers doing it wasn't nearly as bad as the drag queens today

le Italymutt, 56% pure Aryan mednigger genes

More proof Italians aren't white.

username is funkygirljulia

actually a man in a dress

Assistant mod this man, pronto!

Fascists are degenerates, change my mind

The top comment is more based than this post, that's when you know you've fucked up

Fascist and Faggot both originate from the same Latin word, coincidence? 🤔

Mainly because Latin is retarded for its poetic-ness and everyone's love of metaphors. It is odd how "bundle" and "head consul" were loosely interchangeable, but then again, it's been years since I've had to apply my latin knowledge.

I blame Ovid and Vergil, personally.

Tomatoes and tomatoes

a nine month pregnant Anne Frank and Peter van Pels find themselves lost in a land of deepest shade, comforting each other in the dark, reliant only on each other's light to lead the other into a world of insidious evil that threatens to swallow them whole, caught between a familiar tormenter and a new unknown almost demonic terror that leaves their hearts trembling with unimaginable fears

This terror was unknown, but had been stalking the couple for a few days now. It moved with superhuman speed, never allowing the couple to get a good look at it before it fled further into the darkness. The Jewish couple did nothing but run, further and further into the abyss. Desperate to escape the persuing Germans, and now whatever else was hunting them. They were exausted from days of non stop running, and decided to rest under the comforting embrace of a great birch tree. Hoping it would give them at least some cover. They both wanted to keep going, but their bodies desperately needed rest.

Peter looked at his sleeping partner, and couldn’t help but smile. Even in this seemingly eternal darkness, he could still make out her features. Anne was just as beautiful as ever. Peter wanted with all his being to keep her safe, alongside their unborn child. He remembered when they had first consummated their love, in the attic of a friendly communist spy in Salzgitter, a couple weeks after they had escaped from Bergen-Belsen. Peter was still drained of semen from the cruel Nazi masterbation machines of Bergen at the time, so he couldn’t even climax! He still remembered how embarrassed he had felt after that!

Peter laughed to himself, which startled Anne out of her peaceful sleep. Peter rested his hand on her cheek and lovingly stroked it “It’s ok Anne, everything is fine. Get some sleep.”

Anne turned at him, her beautiful blue eyes shinning through the darkness. “Peter i’m scared, the Germans are hunting us, but i’m even more scarred of the thing stalking us! God Peter, i’m so scarred. I can’t go back!”

Peter moved his hand to her curly black hair, and began stroking that too. “It’s ok, i’m keeping watch. If anything happens i’ll wake you up, and we’ll run. I love you Anne, I won’t let anything happen to you.”

Anne seemed to warm up to that, she took Peter’s hand out of her hair, and held it, their fingers interlocking. “I love you too Peter”

And with that a object of incredible speed crashed into Peter, and their whole world came crashing down.

Anne was shocked, just a moment ago she had been holding hands with Peter, the love of her life. And then a object of indescribable speed and mass had smashed into him, dragging Peter off to Yahweh knows where. Anne’s first instinct was to scream, but her survival instinct quickly kicked in and she stabilized herself. Then she got up and ran towards the direction that she thought she saw Peter go, her fear not stopping her. Peter was all that mattered to Anne, and she would rather die than leave him.

After running for what seemed like hours Anne finally reached what she assumed to be Peter and their stalker. But she couldn’t be sure, the darkness making the two figures infront of her indistinguishable. One was huge, easily 8 feet tall, while the other was small, frail, just like Anne. The huge person stood over the much smaller one, his back facing Anne. As Anne approached them she got a better look at the huge figure, she noticed a certain armband at his side, glowing with malevolence in the darkness. It held the dread symbol of the most powerful and terrifying foe her people had ever faced, the Nazi Swastika. It’s Black silhouette still somehow seen in the eternal darkness.

Looking over the Nazi and getting a better look at his captive. She saw that the smaller one was indeed Peter, his handsome eyes bleeding through the darkness. His eyes were starring at her in desperation, they told her one thing, run!

But Anne would not run, she had lost enough of her loved ones to the German savages. The Jewess could not bear the thought of losing another. Picking up a large stone with both hands, Anne quickly rushed towards the Nazi, screaming at the top of her lungs. She swinged the stone straight towards the Nazi’s head with all her might, aiming to splatter his brain matter onto the ground.

Hitler was not in a good mood, the war was going poorly for the Reich. The Judeo-Bolsheviks had broken into Germany proper, comrade Mussolini had been tortured to death by hordes of Marxist savages, and the treacherous British and their American pets were getting ever closer to the fatherland. Hitler was incredibly stressed out, his world was crumbling around him, and he needed to relieve some of that stress. The two Juden untermenschen he had stumbled upon were the perfect candidates to help him with this prospect.

He had been stalking them for days now, enjoying the torment that he brought to the creatures. He listened to every conversation that they had, he starred at them as they slept, he consumed their droppings, he could taste their fear. The foreplay was always Hitler’s favorite part. To make his prey paranoid, filled with fear, and anxiety before he had his way with them always made the actual rape so much better.

Adolf had already violated the Juden boy, inserting his superior Aryan penis into every orifice of the little Jew boy’s body. Adolf had also ripped the kike’s penis off with his razor sharp Atlantian teeth, symbolizing Juden circumcison, and then devouring the penis whole, symbolizing the depravity of the Jewish Rabbi. Hitler had then inserted his massive Aryan cock into the penis hole, symbolizing just how god damn horny Hitler was.

Hitler was just finishing up with the little Juden, blowing his superior Aryan load all over his immobilized body, when something hit Adolf hard in the back of the head. The stone rushed towards the Ubermensch’s cranium, the two objects collided, and the cranium prevailed, pulverizing the stone into dust. “That would have killed a lesser man, but I am Hyperborean Ubermensch, and no little Juden’s trick can kill me!” Adolf spoke to his would be assassin.

Peter’s attacker turned to face Anne, the Nazi’s head destroying the stone that had collided with it just moments ago. What Anne saw was the most terrifying thing she had ever seen in her entire life. The rollercoasters of death, gas chambers, masterbation machines, and ovens that she saw at Auschwitz being easily far less scary than the being standing before her. It was Satan in human form, the leader of the great enemy, the most terrifying monster in all of human history, the origin of all evil in the universe, Adolf Hitler.

Anne Frank froze in absolute terror, pissing and shitting herself in the process. She wanted to run, she had to escape, nothing mattered more to the little Jewess more than getting the HELL OUT OF THERE! But her legs wouldn’t move, she was a deer in headlights, completly at the mercy to the Aryan sexual predator.

Hitler licked his lips seductively, and then got on all fours infront of Anne, he then began to lick up the puddle of piss that bled through Anne’s panties off the ground. After the Fuhrer was done consuming her iron, he stood up, and looked her right in the eyes.

Anne had the full picture of the demon now, he was well muscled, handsome even, with a massive two foot cock. The Ubermensch’s penis was huge, bulging with power, it was covered in swastika tattoos, with a couple of SS runes as well. Hitler’s penis also smelled of Zyklon B, just like the gas chambers, Anne also noticed that Hitler had only one shriveled up ball at the end of his massive shaft. Hitler’s penis was also covered in genital warts.

Hitler wanted to make this even more fun, so he called up the Pagan Gods Odin and Wotan to increase his sexual virility. Anne watched as Hitler’s two foot cock grew to 20 feet before her very eyes, and she nearly fainted. Finally working up the courage to run, Anne booked it, Hitler crushing Peter’s windpipe with his massive Nazi cock as she ran.

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Anne ran as fast as her legs could take her, but Adolf was faster. Hitler’s firm Aryan hands grabbing hold of her hair, ripping most of it from her scalp in one pull. Anne fell in shock, her asshole facing skyward, still filled with chocolate sludge. Hitler took his penis, and pushed it into the crevice of Anne’s ass, it easily destroying the pants she was wearing to get at the soft flesh bellow.

Hitler’s penis travelled through Anne’s body, eventually finding its final destination coming through the back end of Anne’s throat. The Ubermensch’s cock came out of her mouth covered in shit, digestive fluids, and blood “both Anne’s and Peter’s” the Aryan penis knocking out all of Anne’s teeth in the process. And at the very end of Hitler’s penis was Anne’s unborn baby, impaled the same way Anne was.

Anne was in a indescribable amount of pain throughout her being, every fiber of her existence hurt, and every nerve in her body was burning with the heat of a thousand suns. She cried, internally praying for a death that would not come, only one thing would cum, and that was Hitler.

Hitler then lifted Anne up with his penis, almost looking like old Vlad the Impaler lifting up one of his many impaled victims. Hitler spun Anne around and around with his penis, then he pulled his penis out of her as she was mid spin, sending her flying.

Anne crashed into the violated corpse of Peter, the corpse of her unborn baby shortly following her. She cried, and cried, she was in as much emotional and physical pain as possible. Hitler slowly walked over to her, and then started to finger her asshole, while licking the tears off her face.

“I love Juden tears! So yummy to Aryan Predators!” Hitler laughed “This will be the fate of all your kind for running the banking system!” Hitler then started to twirl his mustache.

Anne wanted to scream, she wanted to scream that the Jews did not in fact run the banking system, and that was just a Neo Nazi conspiracy theory. But as she was longer capable of speech, she couldn’t voice her logical and nuanced point of view.

It was time to finish up, Hitler cummed all over Anne, her boyfriend, and her babies corpse. He cummed so much that a new lake was created “Lake Hitler” and Anne spent her last moments drowning in Hitler’s cum.

“Das Juden good fuck” Hitler said to himself “But the Aryan Predator is never satisfied, I must have more.” And with that Hitler set off to find more victims.

THE END

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Hitler is sexy

Hitler is sexy

It's better to be a kiddy diddler than a child murderer.

A kiddy diddler cares about children and their future. They care about their hairless bodies and their soft hands. They ardently strive to build a future for their country and their children, and they desire to create a nation that their children can take pride in.

On the other hand, child murderers hate their children. They despise their lack of hair, the hate their playful noises and cute smiles. They hate their families and their ancestors. Child murderers actively seek to destroy everything their ancestors built, and the generations of sacrifice and had work that produced them. Child murderers take many forms. They are stranglers, they are drowners, they are butchers, they are ungrateful and jealous. They hate the family unit, and they hate their nation. Child murderers are a disgrace.

Fascism gave us civilization. Degeneracy gave us GRIDS.

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