I am not sure which is more cringey, the litany of erroneous assumptions you splayed out or the act of calling upon the student archetype with the intent of derision. Anti-intellectualism, check. src
I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.
Eh if you're gong for practical reasons and not with delusions of grandeur of being the next "it" of the moma scene an art degree can be super worthwhile. You just have to be super entrepreneurial which most at students lack
Under Water Basket Weaving is actually a usable skill though. You can sell those things for a pretty penny on Etsy and in yuppie craft stores as long as you pretend you're a tribeswoman. Get one to legally adopt you.
I could be wrong but I really only see the term “uni” used when someone’s from Europe/UK. And to possibly be wrong further, your first two years of uni over there are free. Now to continue on with this trend of possibly being wrong, you decide your degree from day one. Corrections welcome.
yikes. you have no idea what you're talking about. my cousins friend has an art degree and he makes 50 GRAND with 10 years experience in an unrelated field
Honey this is drama, we are connoisseurs of the finest bussy and shenis around here. I will gladly suck that feminine penis, but if I’m pouring you a drink you better pay me.
Oh, it doesn't sound unreasonable, even going off numbers from my undergraduate days and knowing a few people in the industry. Tax free for the most part, too.
Yup especially when I did credit card tips were just becoming popular towards my final 2 years really. In 07-08 most everyone in college was leaving cash Atleast where I was
Forcing kids into a field they have no talent or interest in is disastrous.
It's peak STEM stupidity to think that everyone should have a "lel STEM" degree, when most people aren't interested in it or have no talent in it.
Yeah but that doesn't make an art degree any less useless. My girlfriend is a fantastic artist. She didn't need an art degree to figure out that hentai drawing commissions make bank.
I wouldn’t say retard, but I would say that art degrees require an equal amount of commitment, talent, and raw luck. That’s just not something I can advise the average person to pursue, I’m not dismissing all of it out of hand.
I agree, but trying to withhold financial support from your daughter unless she studies something she's not interested in is a terrible idea; and I'm basically reacting to the high energy individuals implying the parents are right because STEM MASTER RACE
Truth is the parents are right to inject some reality in to the wide-eyed naivety of their daughter; but the execution is all wrong. And telling someone to just go in to STEM is a retarded meme and always has been: You need passion for engineering/maths/science to go in to that field, just like you need passion for art to do an art degree.
but trying to withhold financial support from your daughter unless she studies something she's not interested in is a terrible idea
Why? The parents are trying to let their daughter know that an art degree is a waste of time. Also the daughter is an adult now. She's not entitled to any of their money any more.
Undramatic but true take. I disagree with the college as financial institutions overall, I guess it just hits art degrees hardest. Of all of my old friend group that got art degrees, I’d say the one that might have most success needed it less and I feel bad for the others.
Major in economics. No one can figure out wtf it is apparently. I always considered it stem but I have people show me proof that certain schools don’t consider it one.
Either way, I have never had a company shit on me for having 1 and every job I have applied for that says “blah blah blah or similar fields” has always considered it to fall into that category.
majored in economics (BS) and i've been working at restaurants for almost a year bc nobody will hire me. def not the magical STEM in most employer's eyes
Apply to IT jobs and buisness analyst jobs. A big problem people with degrees fall for is that they think their major defines the job fields they can apply for.
I gaurentee you if you are tech savvy you could trive in either sector.
I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.
I'm honestly convinced you have a severe learning disability. The poor reading comprehension, the inability to grasp points, the forming of strong opinions on subjects you have no understanding of.
Economics is not stem. Although every person I know who got an accounting degree is making bank right now and firms fought for them pre graduation. That's not a stem field.
That’s my sister in law. Accounting and at 25
Makes more than I do after only 3 years. I have had people tell me it’s become a stem field, I no longer try and keep up bc it wasn’t 10 years ago when I went to school. But I guess it’s got “math n shiet”
What talent? Le STEM requires lots of memorization and book study. Anyone can do it with the required amount of autism and over reliance on the Jew’s pen of academia. STEM is constantly praised because it’s the “nerd’s work” and due to sissyification, it’s become supreme on the internet, which is why the push for girls in stem is so big. Because nerds want da poozy and girls in stem makes it easier for them. It just so happens that most Jews don’t understand stem which is why they pay the most sheckles for the least amount of work so nerds can be both smug and play vidya all day instead of working
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/arts-and-design/mobile/home.htm
Cause apparently, I have to link this. I'm sorry, but it is something people do for a living as children's book illustrators, graphic designers, product and packaging designers, fashion designers, comic book artists, typographers, print makers, etc. You probably didn't know this, but an artist made the Reddit logo and designed the ads you see everyday. It is a career.
Let me put it this way: If it's such a useless field, literally no one would hire an artist. So before you talk about how it's not a career, don't watch a movie that hired concept artists, set designers, or outfit designers; play a video game that employed 3d artists, compositors, or animators; read a comic that required the work of a penciler, embellisher, or colorist; or wear graphic tees that wear designed by graphic designers or fashion designers. In fact, don't use anything that has to do with UI design. Stay away from those awesome shoes that some guy spend months on designing. While we're at it, why not eat anything from a fancy restaurant because those guys don't have a real career. Culinary arts? What's that?
TL;DR Everything you use or enjoy required art to make (even the font on this website)
Our graphic designer at work literally dropped out of college in his second year. He just tells everyone he finished and he’s the best one I have personally ever worked with.
He can also drink like a mother fucker at happy hour.
Most art jobs require an associates, bachelor's, or apprenticeship in addition to a portfolio showcasing your previous work or style. I'm not sure what you're on about?
Food is something we all have some sort of connection to. Whether in excess or lack, we just know that food is an important part of culture and society and blah blah blah. It's something that connects us all.
If you work in a chocolate factory, you don't want to come home and have a Snickers. Pick something valuable/easy, do what you love in your spare time.
But- and hear me out- I could make money off of something I am talented with and enjoy doing. No lie, it's hard as with any job that you surround yourself with 24/7, but that's why you balance your life. For example: if I work at a chocolate factory, I can enjoy chocolate, but not have to make it the only thing I endulge in. I got that. Like I like art, but I'm not going to only draw because I have a life and multiple things I'm into. If you only have one hobby, that just speaks about you as a person who is unwilling to diversify their interest. Plus, why pick something "valuable/easy" for the next 40 years if you hate it and are only doing it for the satisfaction of other people? I'm not saying people should pick art as the only career, but if they want to make it their job, they should be allowed to without feeling pressure from others. If you're not into art, don't get an art job. Simple as that. Let's just respect what people [legally] do for work.
I’m kinda here. Not that an art degree is always a bad idea, but nothing in that post says that this woman has any real art talent or that she has been passionate about art for a long time (and based on artists I know, she absolutely would have said so). For the right people, arts and liberal arts degrees can work, but it’s probably rather than most people think.
So I think at least the degree part of the post makes sense. It’s almost like these evilasshole parents want her to get a job after graduation. While she isn’t actually thinking much about the life she’s going to have after graduation.
My stipulation on getting an art degree or liberal arts degree would be that if you’ve never published (starred in the HS play, sold a picture on Etsy, or written a piece that’s been published in a non school newspaper or magazine) it’s probably a bad idea to try to make a career of the arts. And so that’s why if my kids want those majors, they either publish or go in their own.
Everything you wrote is spot on. Art degrees used to be geared to these type of people and were a very small department. Now they're just diploma factories were the aimless subperforming children go to extend their adolescence and spend their parents savings.
not wanting to spend money on an education that will lead them worse off than having no education in the first place is emotional manipulation. the absolute entitlement of americans born here
AITA is a gift. It has become the easiest way to show how retarded Reddit is.
11k points
failed attempt at manipulation.
Parents having positive incentives for what they view as a better life is now some evil manipulation. God forbid if they get you something if you don't start smoking.
Nothing wrong with telling your parents to fuck off, this is the type of shit my parents did but its not like they would get mad if you turned them down.
Nothing wrong either with having an argument with your daughter when her chances of becoming a prostitute rise with 500% and she complains that you're not sponsoring it.
The actual problem is the constant stigma us artists face that push us a away from an actual promising career we could do well in because it's so common for us to undersell our work.
Let's reach one agreement: Artists are underemployed.
I would just like to add that these are also underappreciated careers that look easy, but take a lot of effort and that have a place in everyday life.
I hope that we both can gain some sort of perspective on this.
PM if you want to continue this discussion. I don't want to make a long chain of back and forth on r/drama
The problem is there are a good 3-4 billion starry-eyed art majors out there all looking for work. Literally half of the world's population has art degrees.
There's just too many of you out there. We already have enough baristas and bartenders.
Not all BA degrees are for visual art. Some are for English, humanities, foreign language, economics, criminal justice, religious studies, and some degrees that would also be a BS. So it would make sense.
Self-obsessed pieces of shit who convince pretentious politicians to put some ugly ass utter trash cheap artwork in the middle of a town and stealing tax payer dollars for it
Self-obsessed losers that make trash run-of-the-mill shit and cry online about being underappreciated; eventually becomes a barista with anger issues
If we're so entitled for wanting to get paid for putting our talent to work, then you do it. There's a reason why people pay US ARTISTS. It's because it's not easy. It's because it's pleasing to look at. It's because it's important to culture as a whole. I don't know what artist broke your heart, but I assure you it's not because we're "Self-obsessed losers" who go online to complain about a majority of an entire field because we feel that they contribute very little to the world when in actuality they just want to live their life without being judged. Of course, you're so creative. You must obviously be the next Rembrandt. Point is - labelling an group with negativity shows that you, yourself, cannot make a valid argument with concrete evidence. To address your confusion: Cities and politicians support murals and public art because of tourism which means money. For example London, Seoul, New York, Dallas, Chicago, literally any major city. They are huge population hubs but also have some of the most notable art scenes. They get money off of people looking at the free advertising from others taking pictures of a cool art display in the city that shows their creativity and provides colors to an otherwise boring landscape. Its promotion and branding. Unfortunately, I don't know if you'll ever be able to appreciate any of that.
Okay, here's an artwork in a nearby village that hardly knows what tourists are. It's not "promotion and branding", but a theft worth 54 000 EUR. The neighborhood was so annoyed they put a toilet next to it and said "If that's art this is as well, and free of charge, you're welcome".
You argue that art isn't pretentious, yet you never wonder why so many dislike modern art. It's not pleasing to look at. It's not important to the culture. It's trash. Most art tourism is still driven by historical art. Why? And no, not because people are too idiotic to understand their woke takes.
And I am an artist. I just took a shit, go have a look.
Art movements in the 60s covered this type of stuff extensively. In the end, we still consider Duchamp a fraud for not creating "actually art". Even some artists got annoyed with hidden meanings and ready-mades. I'm not talking about Duchamp (although I appreciate his work for giving me a chuckle) or even this guy. Again, you're labelling an entire group of people. Modern art is a broad term used in common language to encompass a large range of art of varying style and media starting from the early 1900s to today including modernism, pop-art, dadaism, postmodernism, and minimalism (there's actually more including anti-art movements). Not all modern artists have the same opinion on what is art. That art you showed most likely like that for the shock value. That shock value just brought that town publicity. But in the end, it's up to the creator to decide if they consider what they spent their time on as art. Also I don't want to see your Jackson Pollock toilet recreation. That's gross. I agree art can be pretentious, but that's not my argument. All I'm saying is art is a career. You took it in a whole other direction. If you're angry about it: cool. But unless you plan on doing something better, don't complain. For someone, that is pleasing to look at. Also art isn't just a job. Call me pretentious, but when we think of the classical period, we think of art. And for some artists it's a hobby and not their main source of income. Also, who makes art to exclude the "average man"? It is the average man who built art. In many cultures artisans aren't seen as valuable, but they are excluding the cultural significance that art provides. Aesthetics can only get an artist so far without experimentation.
You're so right! The benefits of job specialization is that no one is required to have the same job as everyone else. Kinda would suck if we all were accountants, doctors, and lawyers. Because those guys never had to work a boring minimum wage job in their life. Honestly, I have changed my ways. I shall spend my time making a decent wage to pay off my student loan debt (because either way I'll have to spend 2-4 years in college to get a business degree) and spend my next 43 years working a dead end job that brings me no satisfaction whatsoever. But hey, I have basic medical insurance and can now afford to increase my debt with a down payment on a brand new Camry. I'm sure hating my job is sooooo worth it. I'll live just like the 3/4 of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck. Maybe go into further debt and "buy" a house that the bank will own for the next 30 years. Sounds ideal overall. Yup. Just do what I hate because it's "more secure" even though a computer could end up doing my job in the few years. I don't personally want that for myself. And that's fine. If you think that's the life you want, I support that because it isn't my dream. It's yours. It's all a waste of time if you're not happy with where you are. You don't have to be an artist, but if that's what you want to do, go ahead because in the end, it's your life we're talking about. I'm sure you didn't pick your job without considering if that's really what you wanted to do with your life. I bet whatever job you have is rewarding. But it's just not for me. Its for you. I hope you get a little bit of my perspective on this. If you want to talk more, my PMs are open. I don't mind at all.
Unironically I'd actually consider the toilet to be an artistic expression. Not anything deep, but it actually has a meaning and it's displayed through visuals, that the piece of "art" its next to is shit.
Imagine being an artcel and being outdone by some dope and his toilet lmao
TBH if you got an art degree you're fucking dumb, and I say that as an artist (primarily music). Everything art related is merit-based. You make good fucking art and you do some basic marketing and networking, you're going to be successful. You make average or subpar art, even with a degree, you're going to have a bad time. Literally nobody cares if you have some worthless piece of paper so long as you've proven your worth.
lol the best part about this is that these same retards will bitch about the predatory lending that gets done to people who are "barely 18" and how we should forgive these people's student loan debts. You're too retarded at 18 to be an adult and read a contract, but yaas slay qween when you tell off your dad for not paying you 10k to study chocolate therapy.
This is an art degree not cigarettes. It's someone choosing to invest the next ~40 years of their life to something that doesn't negatively impact them, but instead, makes them truly happy.
It's something they have to do for the next 40+ years of their life. Excuse them for not wanting to spend that time miserable. And before you start talking about how much debt they'll be in, it's art school, not Harvard. And there are literally tons of scholarships for virtually anything. In fact, I know people who made it debt free in college with scholarships, grants, and a work study. But of course, going into debt for a BA in English or a business degree is so fulfilling.
You can tell this by the fact that no one here understands how this whole argument is stupid and your college degree is never going to decide your life
your college degree is never going to decide your life
No, but you're definitely plotting the course if your choices are:
Free ride to get an in-demand degree, or:
Start out your adult life in debt with a low-value degree.
You're probably right in this situation though, because either way it sounds like mommy and daddy will end up footing the bill and either way she'll end up being useless and living off somebody else.
I had to claw my way from a fucking small meth town in northern Alberta to a decent life and it took me 13 years. I want to beat the shit out of people like OP. "Oh waah, my parents are ensuring that I have a successful life, woe is me!"
the fact that people cannot instantly percieve that this is clearly just a classic mom and dad are worried about their daughter going out into the real world scenario is actually astounding.
thank god that redditors do not reproduce because these 'people' would make incredibly poor parents.
Don't worry, she'll move across the country to move from her 'abusive' family and go to a $40k/yr private college and rack up somewhere around $250,000 in unsubsidized student debt before getting $12/hr at a frame shop in the hood and then come back and whine about how unfair it is she has so much debt and how we all should give her neetbux to forgive it.
I guess this is an unpopular opinion here but I read that thread and thought the parents were major assholes. I get that an art degree may not set up the kid for a financially successful future, but them studying something more lucrative subject and ultimately working in whatever field their parents want guarantees they will be a miserable adult. Sometimes it's okay to take a chance and I would say it's better to take a chance in your 20's than in your 40's when you have a kid and a mortgage. And most students change their minds after their first year anyway. Let your kids live their lives and make mistakes. I don't necessarily think it's wrong to put conditions on the money but I think the conditions they put on it were shitty and manipulative. There is a middle ground here.
a lot of them are the alt-right mirror images of our tankie edgelord teens, and a lot of people there are broken, toxic people and their parasites who exploit and humiliate them for sociopathic fun
Only they have that perfect mix of arrogance and cluelessness that comes from a lifetime of Fox News required to think soft-blackmailing your own kid is a good idea
This sub is what happens when minimally educated unintelligent people join together to find common ground and project their own self loathing to the rest of the world. There has never been anything clever that I have ever seen from this sub. I will continue to look for humor but I am just starting to think that loss and anger plus unemployment equals humor
Only they have that perfect mix of arrogance and cluelessness that comes from a lifetime of Fox News required to think soft-blackmailing your own kid is a good idea
Someone never grew up with Asian continent parents.
These are the women who "require" their boyfriends to have a college degree. As if a fucking art degree is above welding/electrician work/construction lmao.
How would she be the arsehole? Even if you think the parents did nothing wrong she certainly has the right (and is making the right choice) to turn them down.
it disgusts me that you think accepting help from your parents with college funding is considered leeching, and that you don’t support it because why? “It’s a food getting an art degree”, that’s your fuckin reason?
Actual retard alert.
Her parents are guiding her in the right direction, as they should, away from impulsive/moronic decisions that would literally ruin her life. An art degree is literally useless, a waste of time/money.
Art can be studied without having to go to school for it, the only thing that matters in the industry is connections and your portfolio, just like with animation.
Not only that, but she comes off as way too immature and just generally a complete fool who makes all decisions based off her turbulent emotions. I wonder why?
Oh right, she’s a teenager.
Keep telling yourself that this sub supports her parents because she’s a foid, not because of her poor decision making and that her parents are clearly making a good choice.
I have to assume this is an American thing. You're getting paid ten thousand dollars to spend forty thousand dollars on a shit no-name university just because your parents live close to it. It's not worth it. Go to a good, famous university.
What's wrong with being elitist? It's just realistic. Some people have better positions in society than others. Those who go to no-name universities will never have those positions. Those who sell feet pics are among the higher classes of society, actually, so.
NTA for sure. That NTA hit hard. Your parents are HUGE assholes for trying to force your life. Don’t ever let someone force your life choices.
Edit: Wow I want to respond to everyone’s stories and the like but oof. First off to all the people saying “ARt Is NOt A rEaL suBJecT” no one asked for your input on what she wants to study. She asked if she is an asshole for not accepting the strings attached. Holy SHIET. Thanks for your story’s though, from everyone with a similar experience to OP.
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Only Americans would ever say the parents were in the right. Choosing to go to a university because it's the closest to you is the ultimate in brainletism.
trying to bribe your daughter with $10K so they don't ruin their future with an Art Degree and go into huge student debt by going to college super far away now makes you a 'manipulate asshole'. Thanks Reddit for that bit of enlightenment
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1 ManBearFridge 2019-07-15
10K would probably only cover the first year, you don't even have to declare a major until your 2nd.
Just finish your associates on your parents dime then take loans for under water basket weaving.
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1 Slump_o 2019-07-15
10k for one year? Is this a community college lol?
1 Whaddaulookinat 2019-07-15
Most state schools are way under 10k for attendance
1 Slump_o 2019-07-15
since he said art degree I figured he would be going T20 at least or it will be worthless.
1 theydoitforfREEE 2019-07-15
Do you genuinely believe someone retarded enough to turn down free room & board and 10 grand in cash is smart enough to go to a respectable uni?
1 Slump_o 2019-07-15
idk, lotta retards out here
1 theydoitforfREEE 2019-07-15
the type of person who turns down 10 large because she wants to do macaroni art her whole life is a special level of retard tho.
1 Elite_AI 2019-07-15
Fucking idiot, did you miss the part where the parents want her to go to one of two close-by presumably no-name universities?
1 Slump_o 2019-07-15
yea
1 Whaddaulookinat 2019-07-15
Eh if you're gong for practical reasons and not with delusions of grandeur of being the next "it" of the moma scene an art degree can be super worthwhile. You just have to be super entrepreneurial which most at students lack
1 Pinksister 2019-07-15
lmao Imagine being American.
1 911roofer 2019-07-15
Under Water Basket Weaving is actually a usable skill though. You can sell those things for a pretty penny on Etsy and in yuppie craft stores as long as you pretend you're a tribeswoman. Get one to legally adopt you.
1 dustinleone 2019-07-15
I could be wrong but I really only see the term “uni” used when someone’s from Europe/UK. And to possibly be wrong further, your first two years of uni over there are free. Now to continue on with this trend of possibly being wrong, you decide your degree from day one. Corrections welcome.
1 lifesbrink 2019-07-15
Lol, an art degree. Dont worry guys, I'm sure she will be making 6 figures in a few years, because most art degrees are definitely employed.
1 kaczynskireborn2 2019-07-15
yikes. you have no idea what you're talking about. my cousins friend has an art degree and he makes 50 GRAND with 10 years experience in an unrelated field
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
Tfw I made what your cousin did at 22 bartending 4 days a week my senior year of college.
1 JamesYSmithson 2019-07-15
The bar tending was free, it was the dick-sucking that made this guy the $$$
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
Honey this is drama, we are connoisseurs of the finest bussy and shenis around here. I will gladly suck that feminine penis, but if I’m pouring you a drink you better pay me.
1 JamesYSmithson 2019-07-15
Underused term
1 TheRootinTootinPutin 2019-07-15
Buttholes should be called a shitoris imo
1 Psyman2 2019-07-15
Absolutely based.
1 SJCards 2019-07-15
What shit ass college town has scrubs throwing down that much?
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
The north east lol
1 SJCards 2019-07-15
This is why generational wealth was a mistake. Good on bar tenders for milking that shit, tho.
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
You think about it, 50k is about 24 a hour. You are making probably closer to 15 during dead time but 40+ easy on fri/Saturday/event nights
1 SJCards 2019-07-15
Oh, it doesn't sound unreasonable, even going off numbers from my undergraduate days and knowing a few people in the industry. Tax free for the most part, too.
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
Yup especially when I did credit card tips were just becoming popular towards my final 2 years really. In 07-08 most everyone in college was leaving cash Atleast where I was
1 weebsarentpeople 2019-07-15
customer service is not a "field"
1 GodOfDarknessWine 2019-07-15
Forcing kids into a field they have no talent or interest in is disastrous. It's peak STEM stupidity to think that everyone should have a "lel STEM" degree, when most people aren't interested in it or have no talent in it.
1 TropeSlope 2019-07-15
Yeah but that doesn't make an art degree any less useless. My girlfriend is a fantastic artist. She didn't need an art degree to figure out that hentai drawing commissions make bank.
1 RedditIsFullOfBasics 2019-07-15
What percentage of people calling OP a retard would you guess actually have a STEM degree? My money would be on single-digits
I smell gamer-level autism in this thread
1 JuliusEvolasSkeleton 2019-07-15
There are degrees besides STEM and art.
An art degree is objectively a waste of money.
1 RedditIsFullOfBasics 2019-07-15
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-15
Yes. That word was used correctly.
1 JuliusEvolasSkeleton 2019-07-15
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-07-15
I wouldn’t say retard, but I would say that art degrees require an equal amount of commitment, talent, and raw luck. That’s just not something I can advise the average person to pursue, I’m not dismissing all of it out of hand.
1 RedditIsFullOfBasics 2019-07-15
I agree, but trying to withhold financial support from your daughter unless she studies something she's not interested in is a terrible idea; and I'm basically reacting to the high energy individuals implying the parents are right because STEM MASTER RACE
Truth is the parents are right to inject some reality in to the wide-eyed naivety of their daughter; but the execution is all wrong. And telling someone to just go in to STEM is a retarded meme and always has been: You need passion for engineering/maths/science to go in to that field, just like you need passion for art to do an art degree.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-15
Why? The parents are trying to let their daughter know that an art degree is a waste of time. Also the daughter is an adult now. She's not entitled to any of their money any more.
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-07-15
Undramatic but true take. I disagree with the college as financial institutions overall, I guess it just hits art degrees hardest. Of all of my old friend group that got art degrees, I’d say the one that might have most success needed it less and I feel bad for the others.
1 Plzbpatienthavetism 2019-07-15
Blow and hookers is a better use of 10k than an art degree
1 Peytons_5head 2019-07-15
Lol no you dont
1 Vyrnie 2019-07-15
lmao
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-15
I have a STEM degree and a career in the STEM field. Original OP is a retard.
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
Major in economics. No one can figure out wtf it is apparently. I always considered it stem but I have people show me proof that certain schools don’t consider it one.
Either way, I have never had a company shit on me for having 1 and every job I have applied for that says “blah blah blah or similar fields” has always considered it to fall into that category.
1 Anti-GallowBoob 2019-07-15
You can be a history teacher sweetie
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
That’s why I minored in it lol
1 Futhermucker 2019-07-15
majored in economics (BS) and i've been working at restaurants for almost a year bc nobody will hire me. def not the magical STEM in most employer's eyes
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
I spent 3 years out of college working my way up for experience.
Took a starting roll job making 28k a year at 23 and bartended on weekends. I don’t think it’s magical, but it depends on what you are doing as well.
Have you gotten interviews, etc? What’s your areas economy like.
In no way am I saying it’s magical, but it got me in front of lots of people a less practical degree wouldn’t have.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-07-15
Apply to IT jobs and buisness analyst jobs. A big problem people with degrees fall for is that they think their major defines the job fields they can apply for.
I gaurentee you if you are tech savvy you could trive in either sector.
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1 Peytons_5head 2019-07-15
It depends on the program. A lot of econ curriculums will remove as much math as possible at the undergrad level.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-07-15
Unless you are have a doctorate, which is essentially a brach of math, I wouldn't consider it STEM. It would be in the realm of buissness.
Still would probably be more beneficial than an undergrad in biology or chemistry.
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1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
I agree totally. I have had people tell me its STEM now and I just shrug it wasn’t when I went to college but shit changes in 10 years
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-15
Economics is not stem. Although every person I know who got an accounting degree is making bank right now and firms fought for them pre graduation. That's not a stem field.
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
That’s my sister in law. Accounting and at 25 Makes more than I do after only 3 years. I have had people tell me it’s become a stem field, I no longer try and keep up bc it wasn’t 10 years ago when I went to school. But I guess it’s got “math n shiet”
1 COPEstomper40percent 2019-07-15
What talent? Le STEM requires lots of memorization and book study. Anyone can do it with the required amount of autism and over reliance on the Jew’s pen of academia. STEM is constantly praised because it’s the “nerd’s work” and due to sissyification, it’s become supreme on the internet, which is why the push for girls in stem is so big. Because nerds want da poozy and girls in stem makes it easier for them. It just so happens that most Jews don’t understand stem which is why they pay the most sheckles for the least amount of work so nerds can be both smug and play vidya all day instead of working
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-15
Lmao imagine actually believing this. I've never read so much cope in my life.
1 COPEstomper40percent 2019-07-15
Get a real job, nerd
1 Plzbpatienthavetism 2019-07-15
I think I bullied you in high school
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2019-07-15
t. Poorcel COPING
1 NPC_in_disguise 2019-07-15
Most are employed, you know them as sandwich artisans or baristas.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Yeah that's so funny, picking a career that makes you happy. How stupid.
1 pm_me_ur_butthole420 2019-07-15
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/arts-and-design/mobile/home.htm Cause apparently, I have to link this. I'm sorry, but it is something people do for a living as children's book illustrators, graphic designers, product and packaging designers, fashion designers, comic book artists, typographers, print makers, etc. You probably didn't know this, but an artist made the Reddit logo and designed the ads you see everyday. It is a career.
1 pm_me_ur_butthole420 2019-07-15
Yes you’re right thank god for artists, that sidebar ad for a mobile ad with the big tiddy cartoon alien is so a e s t h e t i c
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Let me put it this way: If it's such a useless field, literally no one would hire an artist. So before you talk about how it's not a career, don't watch a movie that hired concept artists, set designers, or outfit designers; play a video game that employed 3d artists, compositors, or animators; read a comic that required the work of a penciler, embellisher, or colorist; or wear graphic tees that wear designed by graphic designers or fashion designers. In fact, don't use anything that has to do with UI design. Stay away from those awesome shoes that some guy spend months on designing. While we're at it, why not eat anything from a fancy restaurant because those guys don't have a real career. Culinary arts? What's that?
TL;DR Everything you use or enjoy required art to make (even the font on this website)
1 -9069x- 2019-07-15
But not the art degree lmao!
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-15
Our graphic designer at work literally dropped out of college in his second year. He just tells everyone he finished and he’s the best one I have personally ever worked with.
He can also drink like a mother fucker at happy hour.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Most art jobs require an associates, bachelor's, or apprenticeship in addition to a portfolio showcasing your previous work or style. I'm not sure what you're on about?
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-07-15
Why does it ALWAYS go to food?
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Food is something we all have some sort of connection to. Whether in excess or lack, we just know that food is an important part of culture and society and blah blah blah. It's something that connects us all.
1 MightiestPhallus 2019-07-15
Sweaty studying art turns you gay, thats a fact. Btw, studying anything than S from STEM makes you an autistic retard, thats a fact too.
1 pm_me_ur_butthole420 2019-07-15
Are you saying the chef at my favourite restaurant got a 4 year arts degree? Poor guy
1 kermit_was_wrong 2019-07-15
It doesn't matter that you've got sand in your bussy over it, someone is still paying those people.
1 TrumpsUsedBussy 2019-07-15
The thing is there are way more people who can easily fill such positions than art degree having retards.
1 kermit_was_wrong 2019-07-15
They usually just suck ass at the job tbh.
1 capthazelwoodsflask 2019-07-15
Because with your STEM degree you're not going to be doing something equally as soulless.
1 ironicshitpostr 2019-07-15
Happiness is degenerate
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Lol
1 Grundleberries 2019-07-15
If you work in a chocolate factory, you don't want to come home and have a Snickers. Pick something valuable/easy, do what you love in your spare time.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
But- and hear me out- I could make money off of something I am talented with and enjoy doing. No lie, it's hard as with any job that you surround yourself with 24/7, but that's why you balance your life. For example: if I work at a chocolate factory, I can enjoy chocolate, but not have to make it the only thing I endulge in. I got that. Like I like art, but I'm not going to only draw because I have a life and multiple things I'm into. If you only have one hobby, that just speaks about you as a person who is unwilling to diversify their interest. Plus, why pick something "valuable/easy" for the next 40 years if you hate it and are only doing it for the satisfaction of other people? I'm not saying people should pick art as the only career, but if they want to make it their job, they should be allowed to without feeling pressure from others. If you're not into art, don't get an art job. Simple as that. Let's just respect what people [legally] do for work.
1 Grundleberries 2019-07-15
You ain't going to love it after doing your 500th furry scat vore fetish drawing to keep your landlord off your back.
1 MightiestPhallus 2019-07-15
Thats where you are wrong kiddo
1 lifesbrink 2019-07-15
Has nothing to do with happiness. Let's do a simple math problem to give an idea of how the art problem works.
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1 charming_tatum 2019-07-15
You can make pretty good money bartending in a tourist town
1 TiberSeptimIII 2019-07-15
I’m kinda here. Not that an art degree is always a bad idea, but nothing in that post says that this woman has any real art talent or that she has been passionate about art for a long time (and based on artists I know, she absolutely would have said so). For the right people, arts and liberal arts degrees can work, but it’s probably rather than most people think.
So I think at least the degree part of the post makes sense. It’s almost like these evil asshole parents want her to get a job after graduation. While she isn’t actually thinking much about the life she’s going to have after graduation.
My stipulation on getting an art degree or liberal arts degree would be that if you’ve never published (starred in the HS play, sold a picture on Etsy, or written a piece that’s been published in a non school newspaper or magazine) it’s probably a bad idea to try to make a career of the arts. And so that’s why if my kids want those majors, they either publish or go in their own.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-15
Everything you wrote is spot on. Art degrees used to be geared to these type of people and were a very small department. Now they're just diploma factories were the aimless subperforming children go to extend their adolescence and spend their parents savings.
1 lifesbrink 2019-07-15
The sad thing is that there is a market for art degrees, but it is far outstripped by the number of people who get the degrees
1 shhh_im_ban_evading 2019-07-15
Both my cousins got art degrees. The closest either of them got to an art career is installing other people's art in rich people's houses.
1 lifesbrink 2019-07-15
Lol
1 FreeDirlewanger 2019-07-15
not wanting to spend money on an education that will lead them worse off than having no education in the first place is emotional manipulation. the absolute entitlement of americans born here
1 Whaddaulookinat 2019-07-15
Exactly.
Although why would this end in a fight? There's another side to this I'm sure. The foid is a crafty and mischevious race, after all.
1 WreckingYourHome 2019-07-15
AITA is a gift. It has become the easiest way to show how retarded Reddit is.
Parents having positive incentives for what they view as a better life is now some evil manipulation. God forbid if they get you something if you don't start smoking.
1 lolcows63 2019-07-15
Nothing wrong with telling your parents to fuck off, this is the type of shit my parents did but its not like they would get mad if you turned them down.
1 WreckingYourHome 2019-07-15
Nothing wrong either with having an argument with your daughter when her chances of becoming a prostitute rise with 500% and she complains that you're not sponsoring it.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Dude. It's actually a good field that pays well. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/arts-and-design/mobile/home.htm
1 WreckingYourHome 2019-07-15
The problem is the high unemployment and underemployment rate, not whether the perfect outcome jobs are somewhat decent. Too much supply.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
The actual problem is the constant stigma us artists face that push us a away from an actual promising career we could do well in because it's so common for us to undersell our work. Let's reach one agreement: Artists are underemployed. I would just like to add that these are also underappreciated careers that look easy, but take a lot of effort and that have a place in everyday life. I hope that we both can gain some sort of perspective on this. PM if you want to continue this discussion. I don't want to make a long chain of back and forth on r/drama
1 JuliusEvolasSkeleton 2019-07-15
The problem is there are a good 3-4 billion starry-eyed art majors out there all looking for work. Literally half of the world's population has art degrees.
There's just too many of you out there. We already have enough baristas and bartenders.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Not all BA degrees are for visual art. Some are for English, humanities, foreign language, economics, criminal justice, religious studies, and some degrees that would also be a BS. So it would make sense.
1 WreckingYourHome 2019-07-15
Self-obsessed pieces of shit who convince pretentious politicians to put some ugly ass utter trash cheap artwork in the middle of a town and stealing tax payer dollars for it
Self-obsessed losers that make trash run-of-the-mill shit and cry online about being underappreciated; eventually becomes a barista with anger issues
That's 80% of them. Artistcide when?
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
If we're so entitled for wanting to get paid for putting our talent to work, then you do it. There's a reason why people pay US ARTISTS. It's because it's not easy. It's because it's pleasing to look at. It's because it's important to culture as a whole. I don't know what artist broke your heart, but I assure you it's not because we're "Self-obsessed losers" who go online to complain about a majority of an entire field because we feel that they contribute very little to the world when in actuality they just want to live their life without being judged. Of course, you're so creative. You must obviously be the next Rembrandt. Point is - labelling an group with negativity shows that you, yourself, cannot make a valid argument with concrete evidence. To address your confusion: Cities and politicians support murals and public art because of tourism which means money. For example London, Seoul, New York, Dallas, Chicago, literally any major city. They are huge population hubs but also have some of the most notable art scenes. They get money off of people looking at the free advertising from others taking pictures of a cool art display in the city that shows their creativity and provides colors to an otherwise boring landscape. Its promotion and branding. Unfortunately, I don't know if you'll ever be able to appreciate any of that.
1 911roofer 2019-07-15
Art is hard, but artists tend to be jerks who run off with my patreon money and give me nothing.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Who are you even talking about?
1 WreckingYourHome 2019-07-15
Okay, here's an artwork in a nearby village that hardly knows what tourists are. It's not "promotion and branding", but a theft worth 54 000 EUR. The neighborhood was so annoyed they put a toilet next to it and said "If that's art this is as well, and free of charge, you're welcome".
You argue that art isn't pretentious, yet you never wonder why so many dislike modern art. It's not pleasing to look at. It's not important to the culture. It's trash. Most art tourism is still driven by historical art. Why? And no, not because people are too idiotic to understand their woke takes.
And I am an artist. I just took a shit, go have a look.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
Art movements in the 60s covered this type of stuff extensively. In the end, we still consider Duchamp a fraud for not creating "actually art". Even some artists got annoyed with hidden meanings and ready-mades. I'm not talking about Duchamp (although I appreciate his work for giving me a chuckle) or even this guy. Again, you're labelling an entire group of people. Modern art is a broad term used in common language to encompass a large range of art of varying style and media starting from the early 1900s to today including modernism, pop-art, dadaism, postmodernism, and minimalism (there's actually more including anti-art movements). Not all modern artists have the same opinion on what is art. That art you showed most likely like that for the shock value. That shock value just brought that town publicity. But in the end, it's up to the creator to decide if they consider what they spent their time on as art. Also I don't want to see your Jackson Pollock toilet recreation. That's gross. I agree art can be pretentious, but that's not my argument. All I'm saying is art is a career. You took it in a whole other direction. If you're angry about it: cool. But unless you plan on doing something better, don't complain. For someone, that is pleasing to look at. Also art isn't just a job. Call me pretentious, but when we think of the classical period, we think of art. And for some artists it's a hobby and not their main source of income. Also, who makes art to exclude the "average man"? It is the average man who built art. In many cultures artisans aren't seen as valuable, but they are excluding the cultural significance that art provides. Aesthetics can only get an artist so far without experimentation.
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1 MightiestPhallus 2019-07-15
This x10000
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1 plumtree3 2019-07-15
🤡
1 ecksmonchan2 2019-07-15
all those words just to say you're unemployed lmao
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
You're so right! The benefits of job specialization is that no one is required to have the same job as everyone else. Kinda would suck if we all were accountants, doctors, and lawyers. Because those guys never had to work a boring minimum wage job in their life. Honestly, I have changed my ways. I shall spend my time making a decent wage to pay off my student loan debt (because either way I'll have to spend 2-4 years in college to get a business degree) and spend my next 43 years working a dead end job that brings me no satisfaction whatsoever. But hey, I have basic medical insurance and can now afford to increase my debt with a down payment on a brand new Camry. I'm sure hating my job is sooooo worth it. I'll live just like the 3/4 of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck. Maybe go into further debt and "buy" a house that the bank will own for the next 30 years. Sounds ideal overall. Yup. Just do what I hate because it's "more secure" even though a computer could end up doing my job in the few years. I don't personally want that for myself. And that's fine. If you think that's the life you want, I support that because it isn't my dream. It's yours. It's all a waste of time if you're not happy with where you are. You don't have to be an artist, but if that's what you want to do, go ahead because in the end, it's your life we're talking about. I'm sure you didn't pick your job without considering if that's really what you wanted to do with your life. I bet whatever job you have is rewarding. But it's just not for me. Its for you. I hope you get a little bit of my perspective on this. If you want to talk more, my PMs are open. I don't mind at all.
1 ecksmonchan2 2019-07-15
bitch i wrote fewer words on my medical finals than your internet spergout
1 IHeartCommyMommy 2019-07-15
Unironically I'd actually consider the toilet to be an artistic expression. Not anything deep, but it actually has a meaning and it's displayed through visuals, that the piece of "art" its next to is shit.
Imagine being an artcel and being outdone by some dope and his toilet lmao
1 southy1995 2019-07-15
How many years have you supported yourself (with no help from family or taxpayers) by working in the art field?
1 RETARDED_NIBBA_COCK 2019-07-15
TBH if you got an art degree you're fucking dumb, and I say that as an artist (primarily music). Everything art related is merit-based. You make good fucking art and you do some basic marketing and networking, you're going to be successful. You make average or subpar art, even with a degree, you're going to have a bad time. Literally nobody cares if you have some worthless piece of paper so long as you've proven your worth.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-15
You are coping all over this thread because you cant deal with the fact you choose a worthless major.
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-15
lol the best part about this is that these same retards will bitch about the predatory lending that gets done to people who are "barely 18" and how we should forgive these people's student loan debts. You're too retarded at 18 to be an adult and read a contract, but yaas slay qween when you tell off your dad for not paying you 10k to study chocolate therapy.
1 investment2questions 2019-07-15
Why do random subreddits like AITA get infested with white knights and feminists? Same thing with the SRDines.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
This is an art degree not cigarettes. It's someone choosing to invest the next ~40 years of their life to something that doesn't negatively impact them, but instead, makes them truly happy.
1 JuliusEvolasSkeleton 2019-07-15
I don't see how crippling debt and a job as a barista would make her happy, but I guess everyone has their quirks.
1 Colorsofthewind0307 2019-07-15
It's something they have to do for the next 40+ years of their life. Excuse them for not wanting to spend that time miserable. And before you start talking about how much debt they'll be in, it's art school, not Harvard. And there are literally tons of scholarships for virtually anything. In fact, I know people who made it debt free in college with scholarships, grants, and a work study. But of course, going into debt for a BA in English or a business degree is so fulfilling.
1 Pinksister 2019-07-15
Wanna know how I know that you're literally a child with no experience in the employment sector?
1 TrailerParkBride 2019-07-15
Everyone on this site is 16 years old
1 istural 2019-07-15
You can tell this by the fact that no one here understands how this whole argument is stupid and your college degree is never going to decide your life
1 Pinksister 2019-07-15
No, but you're definitely plotting the course if your choices are:
You're probably right in this situation though, because either way it sounds like mommy and daddy will end up footing the bill and either way she'll end up being useless and living off somebody else.
1 doughboy011 2019-07-15
It's great that the sub creates stupidity like saying that the cops should be called over some dumbass 14 year old peeping on his sunbathing neighbor.
1 i_Chapo-d_my_pants 2019-07-15
~ a year after HS ended a friend's parents bought him a car under the condition he stop smoking. it worked. pot use went up a lot tho
1 Pinksister 2019-07-15
I had to claw my way from a fucking small meth town in northern Alberta to a decent life and it took me 13 years. I want to beat the shit out of people like OP. "Oh waah, my parents are ensuring that I have a successful life, woe is me!"
1 cragbar 2019-07-15
Parents are probably talking about plan B. Hoping she marries some rich guy.
1 Iowa_Hawkeye 2019-07-15
I wonder if he is one of those free college for all kids.
1 MightiestPhallus 2019-07-15
1 rdramaaccount 2019-07-15
the fact that people cannot instantly percieve that this is clearly just a classic mom and dad are worried about their daughter going out into the real world scenario is actually astounding.
thank god that redditors do not reproduce because these 'people' would make incredibly poor parents.
1 theydoitforfREEE 2019-07-15
Don't worry, she'll move across the country to move from her 'abusive' family and go to a $40k/yr private college and rack up somewhere around $250,000 in unsubsidized student debt before getting $12/hr at a frame shop in the hood and then come back and whine about how unfair it is she has so much debt and how we all should give her neetbux to forgive it.
So goes the cycle.
1 HellBurial 2019-07-15
"Muh parents' generation had it so easy 😢"
1 twelvefortyseven 2019-07-15
Not just a retard, but a foid too.
1 dramateer 2019-07-15
Not all retards are foids, but all foids are retards.
1 belckie 2019-07-15
I guess this is an unpopular opinion here but I read that thread and thought the parents were major assholes. I get that an art degree may not set up the kid for a financially successful future, but them studying something more lucrative subject and ultimately working in whatever field their parents want guarantees they will be a miserable adult. Sometimes it's okay to take a chance and I would say it's better to take a chance in your 20's than in your 40's when you have a kid and a mortgage. And most students change their minds after their first year anyway. Let your kids live their lives and make mistakes. I don't necessarily think it's wrong to put conditions on the money but I think the conditions they put on it were shitty and manipulative. There is a middle ground here.
1 dramateer 2019-07-15
get out
1 belckie 2019-07-15
okay, but i'm curious what's a mayo foid?
1 TheDarthJeb 2019-07-15
Run from this place my child. Only serpents dwell here.
1 JuliusEvolasSkeleton 2019-07-15
They prefer to be called Foids of Mayo, actually. You should try to respect FoM more.
1 MightiestPhallus 2019-07-15
leave that place it isn't worth it
a lot of them are the alt-right mirror images of our tankie edgelord teens, and a lot of people there are broken, toxic people and their parasites who exploit and humiliate them for sociopathic fun
just a really bad community all around
1 vtesterlwg 2019-07-15
they can study art without spending a hundred thousand dollars on it.
seriously, if u can be a great artists of some sort give it a try, but spending 100k you're never gonna earn back is literally a scam
1 RedditIsFullOfBasics 2019-07-15
This sub is full of Boomers
Only they have that perfect mix of arrogance and cluelessness that comes from a lifetime of Fox News required to think soft-blackmailing your own kid is a good idea
1 belckie 2019-07-15
LOL I’m getting that sense.
1 MightiestPhallus 2019-07-15
This sub is what happens when minimally educated unintelligent people join together to find common ground and project their own self loathing to the rest of the world. There has never been anything clever that I have ever seen from this sub. I will continue to look for humor but I am just starting to think that loss and anger plus unemployment equals humor
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2019-07-15
Someone never grew up with Asian continent parents.
1 -holier-than-mao- 2019-07-15
Asian parents aren't "soft-blackmailing" anything.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2019-07-15
Yeah, to be fair bamboo sticks are quite hard.
1 Pinksister 2019-07-15
Amerimutt spotted.
1 d-amazo 2019-07-15
literal cope post.
1 investment2questions 2019-07-15
These are the women who "require" their boyfriends to have a college degree. As if a fucking art degree is above welding/electrician work/construction lmao.
1 911roofer 2019-07-15
You sound bitter.
1 wellhellotherefellas 2019-07-15
Gay and retarded.
1 MightiestPhallus 2019-07-15
Ummmm sweaty I spend years and spend tons of money to work at starbucks, so dont talk to me like that without a degree 💁💅
1 ardasyenden 2019-07-15
How in the flying fuck are people saying NTA
Jesus Christ I hate redditors so much
1 Elite_AI 2019-07-15
How would she be the arsehole? Even if you think the parents did nothing wrong she certainly has the right (and is making the right choice) to turn them down.
1 ardasyenden 2019-07-15
it disgusts me that you think accepting help from your parents with college funding is considered leeching, and that you don’t support it because why? “It’s a food getting an art degree”, that’s your fuckin reason?
Actual retard alert.
Her parents are guiding her in the right direction, as they should, away from impulsive/moronic decisions that would literally ruin her life. An art degree is literally useless, a waste of time/money.
Art can be studied without having to go to school for it, the only thing that matters in the industry is connections and your portfolio, just like with animation.
Not only that, but she comes off as way too immature and just generally a complete fool who makes all decisions based off her turbulent emotions. I wonder why? Oh right, she’s a teenager.
Keep telling yourself that this sub supports her parents because she’s a foid, not because of her poor decision making and that her parents are clearly making a good choice.
1 Elite_AI 2019-07-15
Found the leecher lmao
If you seriously chose your university because it was close to your parents...you deserve that data entry job you're inevitably gonna get.
1 ardasyenden 2019-07-15
Imagine not taking advantage of opportunities given to you for no reason. Have some family issues, I assume.
You wouldn’t be choosing the school cuz it’s close to your parents, you’d be choosing it cuz you’re getting $10k, retard.
1 Elite_AI 2019-07-15
I have to assume this is an American thing. You're getting paid ten thousand dollars to spend forty thousand dollars on a shit no-name university just because your parents live close to it. It's not worth it. Go to a good, famous university.
1 ardasyenden 2019-07-15
you’re a fucking idiot.
The university doesn’t matter so much as the experience, work you’ve done, and connections you make.
Sure, it’s easier to find opportunities at bigger colleges. But if you literally look for them anywhere, you’ll find em anyway.
Spending $60k per year on a shit major at a famous school is retarded.
Average Harvard grad only makes $55k per year.
Trade school can net you more than that.
1 Elite_AI 2019-07-15
That's some hardcore Burger cope. Data entry for you!
fucking lmao
1 ardasyenden 2019-07-15
holy fuck what sort of elitist fag are you?
1 Elite_AI 2019-07-15
What's wrong with being elitist? It's just realistic. Some people have better positions in society than others. Those who go to no-name universities will never have those positions. Those who sell feet pics are among the higher classes of society, actually, so.
1 JuliusEvolasSkeleton 2019-07-15
A tale as old as time
1 911roofer 2019-07-15
No one is the bad guy here. Her parents are concerned but controlling, and she's just a bit rebellious as all young people are.
1 markadillo 2019-07-15
triggered.
1 owmytrussy 2019-07-15
lol I majored in physics and I'm still a drug addict loser. Majoring in STEM isn't a guarantee of anything
1 Leithz7 2019-07-15
NTA for sure. That NTA hit hard. Your parents are HUGE assholes for trying to force your life. Don’t ever let someone force your life choices.
Edit: Wow I want to respond to everyone’s stories and the like but oof. First off to all the people saying “ARt Is NOt A rEaL suBJecT” no one asked for your input on what she wants to study. She asked if she is an asshole for not accepting the strings attached. Holy SHIET. Thanks for your story’s though, from everyone with a similar experience to OP.
Edit 2: Since I don’t have money to give awards to all the comments. Here is some “Off brand Reddit gold” 🏅 🥇🥇🥇🥇🏅🏅🏅🥇🏅🥇🏅🏅🏅🥇🏅🏅🥇🏅
Edit 3: My phone told me it’s getting tired of all these alerts but it appreciates them. First platinum, ooo shiny, thanks. I don’t know how one comment in AITA can give me so much internet clout.
1 Elite_AI 2019-07-15
Only Americans would ever say the parents were in the right. Choosing to go to a university because it's the closest to you is the ultimate in brainletism.
1 shhh_im_ban_evading 2019-07-15
Really should be a subreddit for Am I A Dumbass?
1 RANDYRANDYRANDY420 2019-07-15
trying to bribe your daughter with $10K so they don't ruin their future with an Art Degree and go into huge student debt by going to college super far away now makes you a 'manipulate asshole'. Thanks Reddit for that bit of enlightenment