It's not that, it's that the people bringing up China/India in this argument are profoundly misinformed.
The western world pollutes far more on a per capita basis. If we were to add up contributions to this problem since the 1900s, the US alone would blown both India and china out of the water, combined.
When you bring up climate change and rightoids show up saying "but what about China and India" it just reveals them to be absurdly ignorant. This isn't even getting into the fact that both of those countries are heavily investing in green energy and trying to fight climate change.
Denying climate change isn't a luxury they have and they know it.
Well, he's not wrong. China and India are shitting out CO2 left and right and the USA has the same CO2 emissions it did in 1996, except we have like 60 million more people than we did back then.
China and India also shit up the oceans with plastic at a rate we couldn't hope to achieve.
The fantastically ironic thing about your last point is that a lot of the plastic we ship to China for recycling ends up getting dumped into the ocean.
Literally the entire recycling plan for the last several decades was "ship our unused Mountain Dew bottles to China where they process it in shitty factories that wreck air quality and then pat ourselves on the back." There was no plan B, and now that gravy train is over and now the Ching Chongs are putting our Buitoni packages in with our tuna-American friends in the Pacific. I'm pissed, buddy.
The fantastically ironic thing about your last point is that a lot of the plastic we ship to China for recycling ends up getting intentionally dumped into the ocean.
people have insinuated that but I have never seen anybody post actual proof that the plastic sent to recycled gets dumped in the ocean. Beside china gets sent plastic to recycle and china dumps plastic in the ocean.
What's more, a lot of plastic sneaked in illegally, without permits. These fly-by-night recyclers dumped stuff they couldn't recycle, causing pollution on land and in waterways.
In fact, Bourque actually tracked some of the plastic scrap from his operation in Berkeley. In 2016, he buried a GPS transponder in one of his bales of paper and plastic waste from the Ecology Center. Waste brokers bought it. He followed the transponder's electronic signals to a town in China. Bourque then contacted local residents to document what happened to it. They reported to Bourque what they saw.
"And what we found confirms some of our worst nightmares: dumping in the local canyon of materials they couldn't recycle, plastic in the farmland incorporated into the soil of the cornfields nearby," he says.
This isn't direct proof, but we know that plastic meant for recycling does end up dumped randomly, here in a canyon, and we also know that China is dumping a lot of plastic into waterways which makes its way to the ocean.
using excel FORECAST graph projection from a mayo nationalist as a reputable source for population growth
except we have like 60 million more people than we did back then.
yeah, natural gas has less emissions but comparatively the US still has still more than more than 2 times higher emissions per capita, but of course you make it out to be like the US is making some kinda progress
the US still has still more than more than 2 times higher emissions per capita
So? Global warming only affects the 3rd World and the East Coast. That's awesome. Besides, Australia and Canada also have really high per capita numbers. I wonder if being in a country bigger than a postage stamp and populations of rural people has anything to do with it.
Also, I have taken the lead on this one by immediately advocating the immediate deportation (and cessation of future arrivals) of all immigrants from countries with lower CO2/person. They do not have the right to come here and create 4x the CO2 they did in Tegulcigalpa. I'm sure you agree
using excel FORECAST graph projection from a mayo nationalist as a reputable source for population growth projection
Nigga, he quotes the UN as his source. Here's a pdf for your stupid ass. Check out page 6, goddamn I want to slap you on your chunky rump.
So? Global warming only affects the 3rd World and the East Coast. That's awesome. Besides, Australia and Canada also have really high per capita numbers. I wonder if being in a country bigger than a postage stamp and populations of rural people has anything to do with it.
well of course emissions are closely tied to GDP, but if you look at Europe, who have smaller but not significantly smaller GDP, at general burgers have done a shit job of lowering emissions and you have to admit it
Also, I have taken the lead on this one by immediately advocating the immediate deportation (and cessation of future arrivals) of all immigrants from countries with lower CO2/person. They do not have the right to come here and create 4x the CO2 they did in Tegulcigalpa. I'm sure you agree
and why should the US natives have a right to shit more than people from other countries?
besides that, restriction on all immigration is not a solution, just another excuse for DDFs like you to not do anything while also using a pretextual justification since you want to eliminate immigration in general
also you can look at it this way, lowering emissions means lowering the GDP, so immigration of high-skilled workers into the US can offset that
Nigga, he quotes the UN as his source. Here's a pdf for your stupid ass. Check out page 6, goddamn I want to slap you on your chunky rump.
I wonder why he didn't just link the graph unaltered, since it has variety of outcomes - also, if you can look at Europe, he straight up made it up to make mayos look like they're on the brink of extinction, this is of course why you double check what mayo nationalists are saying since they tend to be dishonest
at general burgers have done a shit job of lowering emissions and you have to admit it
How many times do I have to say that the main harm done by climate change will happen to the 3rd World, the East Coast and Florida and that I don't care at all? Leave your car on all night for all I care, that is if you're allowed to own a car in Belgium or wherever you live.
and why should the US natives have a right to shit more than people from other countries?
Because America is awesome and Central America sucks? Because America invented the Internet and baseball and Latin America invented cutting off rival cartel members dicks and putting them in their own severed head's mouth?
I'm surprised to see that you oppose my move to drastically and immediately reduce CO2 output. May your grandchildren forgive you for such an evil misdeed.
I'm surprised to see that you oppose my move to drastically and immediately reduce CO2 output
lol it wouldn't you numnut, if you cut all immigration today the output would be largely the same for as long as the US is able to shit, what you need to strive for is cutting emissions in general, but that would require policies that as a DDF member you would likely oppose
Dude, I'm willing to have a fun back and forth here, but goddamn you gotta at least chill on the seriousposting a little bit. Like throw in a joke or two, or at least vaguely consider the idea that I'm not very serious about this issue.
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1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-22
I love watching mayos nicely explain why brown people can’t be held responsible
1 _dude_jussy_lmao_ 2019-07-22
Even better when it's our own resident mayo in chief
1 Day_of_the_COPE 2019-07-22
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
1 professorshillphd 2019-07-22
It's not that, it's that the people bringing up China/India in this argument are profoundly misinformed.
The western world pollutes far more on a per capita basis. If we were to add up contributions to this problem since the 1900s, the US alone would blown both India and china out of the water, combined.
When you bring up climate change and rightoids show up saying "but what about China and India" it just reveals them to be absurdly ignorant. This isn't even getting into the fact that both of those countries are heavily investing in green energy and trying to fight climate change.
Denying climate change isn't a luxury they have and they know it.
1 PeskyPapaya 2019-07-22
No reason to blame anyone really, just clean up your own shit and encourage/force other countries to do the same.
1 Clean_lt_Up_Jannie 2019-07-22
The two most populated countries in the world have lower per capita everything. Really makes you think
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-22
Why is annarchist trolling the iowa sub?
1 _dude_jussy_lmao_ 2019-07-22
He's the top mod there. Which makes total sense, because he's from Nebraska
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-07-22
lmao imagine being this pathetic
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-22
Well, he's not wrong. China and India are shitting out CO2 left and right and the USA has the same CO2 emissions it did in 1996, except we have like 60 million more people than we did back then.
China and India also shit up the oceans with plastic at a rate we couldn't hope to achieve.
1 NumerousEvent 2019-07-22
The fantastically ironic thing about your last point is that a lot of the plastic we ship to China for recycling ends up getting dumped into the ocean.
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-22
Literally the entire recycling plan for the last several decades was "ship our unused Mountain Dew bottles to China where they process it in shitty factories that wreck air quality and then pat ourselves on the back." There was no plan B, and now that gravy train is over and now the Ching Chongs are putting our Buitoni packages in with our tuna-American friends in the Pacific. I'm pissed, buddy.
1 lolcows63 2019-07-22
people have insinuated that but I have never seen anybody post actual proof that the plastic sent to recycled gets dumped in the ocean. Beside china gets sent plastic to recycle and china dumps plastic in the ocean.
1 NumerousEvent 2019-07-22
I remembered this NPR piece earlier this year:
This isn't direct proof, but we know that plastic meant for recycling does end up dumped randomly, here in a canyon, and we also know that China is dumping a lot of plastic into waterways which makes its way to the ocean.
1 Seattle_Bussy_Lmao 2019-07-22
Tangentially, why does NPR insist on staffing a bunch of dorks with lisps. It’s infuriating.
2 NumerousEvent 2019-07-22
DRIVES ME INSANE.
1 LightUmbra 2019-07-22
People on radio should be able to speak reasonably well. You don't even have to look good like on TV.
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2019-07-22
Good question
1 _dude_jussy_lmao_ 2019-07-22
I'm not saying he's wrong. Annarchist is trying to defend climate change, which only retards still believe is "a thing" in current year + 5
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-22
Broke: denying climate change
Bespoke: calling it a Chinese hoax
Woke: never even heard of climate change <---this is me
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-07-22
yeah, natural gas has less emissions but comparatively the US still has still more than more than 2 times higher emissions per capita, but of course you make it out to be like the US is making some kinda progress
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-22
So? Global warming only affects the 3rd World and the East Coast. That's awesome. Besides, Australia and Canada also have really high per capita numbers. I wonder if being in a country bigger than a postage stamp and populations of rural people has anything to do with it.
Also, I have taken the lead on this one by immediately advocating the immediate deportation (and cessation of future arrivals) of all immigrants from countries with lower CO2/person. They do not have the right to come here and create 4x the CO2 they did in Tegulcigalpa. I'm sure you agree
Nigga, he quotes the UN as his source. Here's a pdf for your stupid ass. Check out page 6, goddamn I want to slap you on your chunky rump.
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-07-22
well of course emissions are closely tied to GDP, but if you look at Europe, who have smaller but not significantly smaller GDP, at general burgers have done a shit job of lowering emissions and you have to admit it
and why should the US natives have a right to shit more than people from other countries?
besides that, restriction on all immigration is not a solution, just another excuse for DDFs like you to not do anything while also using a pretextual justification since you want to eliminate immigration in general
also you can look at it this way, lowering emissions means lowering the GDP, so immigration of high-skilled workers into the US can offset that
I wonder why he didn't just link the graph unaltered, since it has variety of outcomes - also, if you can look at Europe, he straight up made it up to make mayos look like they're on the brink of extinction, this is of course why you double check what mayo nationalists are saying since they tend to be dishonest
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1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-22
How many times do I have to say that the main harm done by climate change will happen to the 3rd World, the East Coast and Florida and that I don't care at all? Leave your car on all night for all I care, that is if you're allowed to own a car in Belgium or wherever you live.
Because America is awesome and Central America sucks? Because America invented the Internet and baseball and Latin America invented cutting off rival cartel members dicks and putting them in their own severed head's mouth?
I'm surprised to see that you oppose my move to drastically and immediately reduce CO2 output. May your grandchildren forgive you for such an evil misdeed.
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-07-22
lol it wouldn't you numnut, if you cut all immigration today the output would be largely the same for as long as the US is able to shit, what you need to strive for is cutting emissions in general, but that would require policies that as a DDF member you would likely oppose
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-22
Dude, I'm willing to have a fun back and forth here, but goddamn you gotta at least chill on the seriousposting a little bit. Like throw in a joke or two, or at least vaguely consider the idea that I'm not very serious about this issue.
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-07-22
i get that you are trolling me, so i only responded to the point that i thought might be serious since DDF members actually believe this shit
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-22
But seriously if you had to choose one area for global warming to destroy, what would it be?
1 Tytos_Lannister 2019-07-22
Russia no doubt
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-07-22
My man.