So I was a few drinks in and trying to learn about some endangered languages and for some reason this time was particularly struck by how shitty the field is at not only making it accessible for people who want to learn (not necessarily even dumbing it down for laymen but including things like contextual education, e.g. where a character would be impossible for a layman to understand so they can, you know, actually learn) but consolidating information for pretty much anyone who wants to access it. I thought it'd be funny to post a half-sincere rant on the sub and was not expecting that kind of backlash. Jesus christ those people are insecure.
Yeah Spanish makes so much sense to me. I can get by I think.
But French I got stuck in a Parisian market looking like a retard because I couldn’t say “bottle of vodka” properly apparently. Thank god there was a bilingual woman in front of me willing to help or else I would have had to wait longer to get drunk.
The French were actually an extremely nice people. I think that whole smug anti American shit died out. My buddy’s gone a few times and a Frenchie told him that attitude is only from the older ones.
They were all real nice and super tolerant of English speakers
That's because we saved their asses. They're lucky the Pyrenees seperates Spain and France otherwise the Iberian Übermenchen wouldn't have btfo'd them long ago.
I was told that as long as you try to speak the language, they are cool. I suppose it's the same anywhere though. Nobody wants to deal with the guy who has been in the country for 10 years and refuses to learn the language. That's the way it is in Miami.
Well, in Paris, most of them spoke English just as good as us. So, my poor Francophile friend kept trying to order in French and the waiters would be like “you speak English right? I can take the order in English.” Lol.
lol I've heard they mostly speak English but they appreciate if you at least try. I'm hearing this from a non-American though, and yes I did hear that the whole "we hate americans" isn't really a thing in Paris anymore.
The French influence on English is filling it words that no one can spell or pronounce. French is retarded Latin, and ought to be expunged completely from the English lexicon. I'm sure the French people are lovely, but their language is simply the worst.
In elementary school they made us learn, and I hated it. Our teacher was terrible, plus she was from Peru so apparently none of the orher Spanish teachers could understand her lmao.
You want researchers to just release recordings and transcripts of conversation out at large? Lol what's ethics amirite? Let's put everyone's raw recordings online, I'm sure that kind of breach of ethics will be good publicity for the field!
I think it's like barging into a back-to-back terrace house and telling the inhabitants "you really ought to have a prettier front garden, and also why don't you have underfloor heating in the bathrooms? It's very comfy".
You're right for taking them to task. Literally one of the guys in that thread was saying how responding to posts on reddit counts as a valid form of public engagement. This isn't specific to linguistics though, pretty much all of the humanities seems to have fallen into a state of indolence and elitism. They see growing anti-intellectual sentiment in the West and seem unable to conceive what their role in it might be. They'd rather just sit around and jerk off and smell each other's farts in their ivory towers while blaming rightoids for not funding or appreciating them enough. The problem is that they are politically and culturally inbred.
Also, this is some A-tier drama you managed to stir up 😂
That does beg the question: How does linguistics as a field contribute to the well-being of say, your average burger? STEM is the guys working those fancy-smancy beep boop machines that he uses for work. Econ is his stock broker. Med is the guy he gets diabetes meds from. Law is the one he works with for divorce proceedings, and even a similar soft-sci field, psychology, dispenses his favorite legal recreational drugs.
When would he ever come into contact with a linguistics major?
FWIW linguistics is less about "conserving languages" than it is about documenting and analyzing them. It isn't really the same as zoology in that regard. That said I agree that recordings should be more widespread.
I think I made the distinction between conservation and study at some point, but idr. Either way the field should make itself more accessible to people who want to form a surface knowledge about it
Definitely true, and a quick scan of /r/badlinguistics proves that people largely DO NOT UNDERSTAND what the field is and how it works. You don't address idiocy like that by putting up your nose.
I'm not attacking the discipline, I'm attacking the way it disseminates information to the public and how it doesn't do the bare minimum to bring attention to itself for its own benefit
I would recommend that you look at what physicists, ecologists, biologists, psychologists (well maybe not so much them), and even anthropologists have done to create public interest in their fields in pursuit of a goal
one thing i've learned is don't bring hard sciences into discussions with people in social sciences. it seems to universally piss them off.
I have a degree in any of them and I can unironically confirm that the softer the science gets, the more retarded it becomes. Recommended reading: Replication crisis, student IQ by field. Don't be anti-science.
If you bring hard sciences into the discussion, you get two reactions from the soft sciences.
"Wow, yikes. We soft sciences are very important, too."
"I am actually what people would call a hard science, too. We once did something with numbers. In out university we even share department with the medics."
The funniest thing you can do to some soft science majors who rant about how they are perceived as less than the actual sciences is to throw them a bone. "Everyone just does the STEM circlejerk. Fucking STEM! So annoying. STEM is so-" - "But I heard that psychology is kinda STEM, too?" - "YES! Exactly! This is actually true. We are not one of these stupid soft sciences. We are STEM! Lol, soft science is for idiots!"
Certainly, but being elit-ist is not necessary and reeks of insecurity and laziness. It's not unreasonable at all to wonder why the field has no approachability or public interest.
What's funny to me in particular those little babbies were bitching about not having funding to do the things Snally suggested, but usually generating more interest in the field increases funding. They're just bitches
lol no, imagine thinking a theory of human language acquisition predates computing.
Earlier computer languages are the basis of all computer languages, going back past OOP in the 60s, past Turing's a-machine in '36, past Babbage's difference engine, and even past Shickard's and Pascal's calculators in the 1600s. Computer language is a pure application of mathematics and logic and fundamentally a product of engineering.
It's all ones and zeroes nigga, you can literally not get a harder science.
Yeah because we don’t buy that fake dialects created by elitists like received pronunciation are “correct” we are taking your same error in reverse and declaring the dialects of English you hate in fact the correct and best
Maybe approach this from a different perspective nazi
Nobody has any obligation to satisfy your white savior complex.
Yeah, because it would be so hard to find one guy who would gladly agree to be recorded to have his language saved for future generations... lmao, as if this was the actual issue here.
You’re free to buy some obscure linguistics journal and read about these languages if you want too
Even if they made a shitty Rosetta course for you about some obscure language in the Amazons you’d never learn it
You can’t even learn Japanese after thirteen tries how tf are you going to learn a useless language
You’re a fucking liar
Linguistics is not the science of teaching people how to learn lanaguages, you don’t even understand the discipline you’re attacking, just more ignorant Americans who hate science and don’t even understand the sciences they hate
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1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
Sorry snally but I took one linguistics course and it was my favorite one ever so I’m gonna have to side with them.
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1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-08-04
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1 snallygaster 2019-08-04
So I was a few drinks in and trying to learn about some endangered languages and for some reason this time was particularly struck by how shitty the field is at not only making it accessible for people who want to learn (not necessarily even dumbing it down for laymen but including things like contextual education, e.g. where a character would be impossible for a layman to understand so they can, you know, actually learn) but consolidating information for pretty much anyone who wants to access it. I thought it'd be funny to post a half-sincere rant on the sub and was not expecting that kind of backlash. Jesus christ those people are insecure.
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1 Seattle_Bussy_Lmao 2019-08-04
Language is metaphor, redditors are autistic, and so the world turns
1 elephantofdoom 2019-08-04
Could be worse. I love studying linguistics but I can’t learn languages lmao.
1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
Have you tried Spanish? That always made sense to me. French is all fucky tho.
1 Tzar-Romulus-Dos 2019-08-04
Spanish is unironically easier than French even though French has had a larger influence on English.
1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
Yeah Spanish makes so much sense to me. I can get by I think.
But French I got stuck in a Parisian market looking like a retard because I couldn’t say “bottle of vodka” properly apparently. Thank god there was a bilingual woman in front of me willing to help or else I would have had to wait longer to get drunk.
1 Tzar-Romulus-Dos 2019-08-04
Frogicide when?
1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
The French were actually an extremely nice people. I think that whole smug anti American shit died out. My buddy’s gone a few times and a Frenchie told him that attitude is only from the older ones.
They were all real nice and super tolerant of English speakers
1 Tzar-Romulus-Dos 2019-08-04
That's because we saved their asses. They're lucky the Pyrenees seperates Spain and France otherwise the Iberian Übermenchen wouldn't have btfo'd them long ago.
1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
Are you my faggot uncle? You didn’t save shit and your granddaddy didn’t even save shit.
1 Tzar-Romulus-Dos 2019-08-04
That's not very nice. 😥
1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
Sorry I just loathe American exceptionalism and chauvinism
1 Tzar-Romulus-Dos 2019-08-04
My grandad didn't fight in world war ii but he did serve in the Mexican Military. 😸
1 Lysis10 2019-08-04
I was told that as long as you try to speak the language, they are cool. I suppose it's the same anywhere though. Nobody wants to deal with the guy who has been in the country for 10 years and refuses to learn the language. That's the way it is in Miami.
1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
Well, in Paris, most of them spoke English just as good as us. So, my poor Francophile friend kept trying to order in French and the waiters would be like “you speak English right? I can take the order in English.” Lol.
1 Lysis10 2019-08-04
lol I've heard they mostly speak English but they appreciate if you at least try. I'm hearing this from a non-American though, and yes I did hear that the whole "we hate americans" isn't really a thing in Paris anymore.
1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
They did appreciate my friend trying but their English was so good they just wanna be fast and take the order in English.
1 HeilHillary88 2019-08-04
The French influence on English is filling it words that no one can spell or pronounce. French is retarded Latin, and ought to be expunged completely from the English lexicon. I'm sure the French people are lovely, but their language is simply the worst.
1 lawlzposting 2019-08-04
That's the bongistanis' fault for being too retarded to transliterate.
1 elephantofdoom 2019-08-04
In elementary school they made us learn, and I hated it. Our teacher was terrible, plus she was from Peru so apparently none of the orher Spanish teachers could understand her lmao.
1 OversocializationALT 2019-08-04
My friends Peruvian mother is so hard to understand but part of that may be because she’s half paralyzed from giving birth to him.
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-08-04
Prime Humanities cope.
1 Tzar-Romulus-Dos 2019-08-04
The Humanities are always coping because they're field is a meme.
1 mechakingghidorah 2019-08-04
I bet snally is an anthropology major.
1 Elite_AI 2019-08-04
I think it's like barging into a back-to-back terrace house and telling the inhabitants "you really ought to have a prettier front garden, and also why don't you have underfloor heating in the bathrooms? It's very comfy".
1 Usernameof2015 2019-08-04
Were you one of those people in math class complaining about having to do basic algebra because you won’t use it at Burger King?
1 york_york_york 2019-08-04
C O O L W I N E A U N T
1 morroia 2019-08-04
M U M fam.
Did you pop the kid already, snally?
1 snallygaster 2019-08-04
no im just building its alcohol tolerance so it can be cool when it grows up
1 morroia 2019-08-04
You want a child with fetal alcohol syndrome? Poor thing
1 XhotwheelsloverX 2019-08-04
Why would you expect anything different from a drama mod?
1 CirqueDuFuder 2019-08-04
Can't wait until you birth a Pizzashill that only argues about Nazis on obscure furry forums.
1 600_lbs_of_sin 2019-08-04
based snally is just doing her part to increase the quality of drama in the world of tomorrow
1 LostMaterial0 2019-08-04
I hope ur bb was born and ur not drinkin while preggers
1 Jidi_Isle 2019-08-04
Which languages?
1 self_safety_advocate 2019-08-04
Drunkenly laying into linguists for not making their findings more accessible to a general audience is peak snally
1 DeweaponizedAutism 2019-08-04
You're right for taking them to task. Literally one of the guys in that thread was saying how responding to posts on reddit counts as a valid form of public engagement. This isn't specific to linguistics though, pretty much all of the humanities seems to have fallen into a state of indolence and elitism. They see growing anti-intellectual sentiment in the West and seem unable to conceive what their role in it might be. They'd rather just sit around and jerk off and smell each other's farts in their ivory towers while blaming rightoids for not funding or appreciating them enough. The problem is that they are politically and culturally inbred.
Also, this is some A-tier drama you managed to stir up 😂
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
Linguistics isn’t humanities retard, it’s STEM
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1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2019-08-04
That does beg the question: How does linguistics as a field contribute to the well-being of say, your average burger? STEM is the guys working those fancy-smancy beep boop machines that he uses for work. Econ is his stock broker. Med is the guy he gets diabetes meds from. Law is the one he works with for divorce proceedings, and even a similar soft-sci field, psychology, dispenses his favorite legal recreational drugs.
When would he ever come into contact with a linguistics major?
1 TrailerParkRide 2019-08-04
If it makes you feel any better their responses reinforced all of your arguments. Linguists are pompous eggheads by default.
1 tyuijvhvhcfcjf 2019-08-04
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On a scale of 1-10, how epically triggered are you when I post the schwa?
1 snallygaster 2019-08-04
4/20
1 darth_tiffany 2019-08-04
FWIW linguistics is less about "conserving languages" than it is about documenting and analyzing them. It isn't really the same as zoology in that regard. That said I agree that recordings should be more widespread.
1 snallygaster 2019-08-04
I think I made the distinction between conservation and study at some point, but idr. Either way the field should make itself more accessible to people who want to form a surface knowledge about it
1 darth_tiffany 2019-08-04
Definitely true, and a quick scan of /r/badlinguistics proves that people largely DO NOT UNDERSTAND what the field is and how it works. You don't address idiocy like that by putting up your nose.
1 FoidBlaster 2019-08-04
That was unironically a good post, snally. As always.
1 snallygaster 2019-08-04
Thanks man
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
Linguistics is about a lot more than documenting lenguages retard.
1 darth_tiffany 2019-08-04
What Snally seems to be looking at is what we're talking about faggot.
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
You’re an idiot who doesn’t even halfway understand the discipline you’re attacking
Go drunk more you anti-science ignoramous
1 snallygaster 2019-08-04
I'm not attacking the discipline, I'm attacking the way it disseminates information to the public and how it doesn't do the bare minimum to bring attention to itself for its own benefit
1 charming_tatum 2019-08-04
Would Snally be interested in a career criminal in his 30s?
1 LostMaterial0 2019-08-04
Fk off snally is mine 🤬🤬🤬
1 shitpersonality 2019-08-04
She's my wine aunt IRL. PM for pics.
1 tyuijvhvhcfcjf 2019-08-04
If that's true, it'd be bigger news than Ed's curry reveal
1 i_Chapo-d_my_pants 2019-08-04
one thing i've learned is don't bring hard sciences into discussions with people in social sciences. it seems to universally piss them off.
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1 i_Chapo-d_my_pants 2019-08-04
anthropology as well; they were science mixing 🤮
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
Le hard science = good and I’m a retarded redditor without a degree in any of them
1 i_Chapo-d_my_pants 2019-08-04
what part of your post is true and why are you still working at McDonalds?
1 Ingelri 2019-08-04
I have a degree in any of them and I can unironically confirm that the softer the science gets, the more retarded it becomes. Recommended reading: Replication crisis, student IQ by field. Don't be anti-science.
1 DasRoteOrgan 2019-08-04
If you bring hard sciences into the discussion, you get two reactions from the soft sciences.
"Wow, yikes. We soft sciences are very important, too."
"I am actually what people would call a hard science, too. We once did something with numbers. In out university we even share department with the medics."
The funniest thing you can do to some soft science majors who rant about how they are perceived as less than the actual sciences is to throw them a bone. "Everyone just does the STEM circlejerk. Fucking STEM! So annoying. STEM is so-" - "But I heard that psychology is kinda STEM, too?" - "YES! Exactly! This is actually true. We are not one of these stupid soft sciences. We are STEM! Lol, soft science is for idiots!"
1 LadyVetinari 2019-08-04
Linguists are elite whiny little bitches, confirmed
1 Tzar-Romulus-Dos 2019-08-04
Linguistics has always been for elites. Nobody working a 9-5 has time to ponder which words from English are cognates with Latin or loanwords.
1 LadyVetinari 2019-08-04
Certainly, but being elit-ist is not necessary and reeks of insecurity and laziness. It's not unreasonable at all to wonder why the field has no approachability or public interest.
What's funny to me in particular those little babbies were bitching about not having funding to do the things Snally suggested, but usually generating more interest in the field increases funding. They're just bitches
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
Yeah and they’re gong to do this by dumping language funding into making shitty Rosetta courses for languages with no utilitty
When people don’t even learn languages they have to use very well through such methods
Such stupidity and ignorance, Snally is a retartd
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
Noam Chomsky’s universal syntax is the basis for all computer languages
But some rightoid who knows nothing about science besides a Stephan Molyneux rant about how STEM = good is going to school them all ofc
1 Ingelri 2019-08-04
lol no, imagine thinking a theory of human language acquisition predates computing.
Earlier computer languages are the basis of all computer languages, going back past OOP in the 60s, past Turing's a-machine in '36, past Babbage's difference engine, and even past Shickard's and Pascal's calculators in the 1600s. Computer language is a pure application of mathematics and logic and fundamentally a product of engineering.
It's all ones and zeroes nigga, you can literally not get a harder science.
1 Adramolino 2019-08-04
jfc the ammount of raw unadulterated smug in that thread, how do these dipshits not choke on their own emissions of it every single day?
1 Dildokin 2019-08-04
The basketball americans have the best linguistics
1 600_lbs_of_sin 2019-08-04
CunninLynguists are the only good linguists in this world, tho iirc one of them is actually mayo
1 Dildokin 2019-08-04
ye i think its 2 basketballs and one fentanyl, I really like their stuff
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
Yeah because we don’t buy that fake dialects created by elitists like received pronunciation are “correct” we are taking your same error in reverse and declaring the dialects of English you hate in fact the correct and best
Maybe approach this from a different perspective nazi
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1 RIPGeorgeHarrison 2019-08-04
Opinion discarded.
1 Zozbot 2019-08-04
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1 DasRoteOrgan 2019-08-04
Yeah, because it would be so hard to find one guy who would gladly agree to be recorded to have his language saved for future generations... lmao, as if this was the actual issue here.
1 Sudokublackbelt 2019-08-04
Meanwhile /r/etymology is an incredibly interesting subreddit, likely fulled with a lot of bullshit but interesting nonetheless
1 error404brain 2019-08-04
This shit right there is why I hate humanities, unironically.
Information should be accessible to all.
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
You’re free to buy some obscure linguistics journal and read about these languages if you want too
Even if they made a shitty Rosetta course for you about some obscure language in the Amazons you’d never learn it
You can’t even learn Japanese after thirteen tries how tf are you going to learn a useless language
You’re a fucking liar
Linguistics is not the science of teaching people how to learn lanaguages, you don’t even understand the discipline you’re attacking, just more ignorant Americans who hate science and don’t even understand the sciences they hate
1 error404brain 2019-08-04
> Implying I am american.
Cyberbullying is not okay.
1 watermark002 2019-08-04
Snally you don’t really understand linguistics do you
It’s not the study of language learning
1 snallygaster 2019-08-04
Did you even try to read the thread?