A new grad software developer is going to make a minimum of $60k in the middle of fucking nowhere Nebraska. If that person is making $42k they're certainly not a "software engineer" whatever their title might be.
This is why any decent programmer should just do remote contracting, get $150/hr and live somewhere based with no taxes, and only have to deal with frisco autists over the phone.
Welcome to the world of programming Twitter. 1 and 0s don’t real anymore it’s all fucking pronouns all the fucking time.
They recently cancelled some guy because he played the circle game and the cuck actually apologised and said he should have known it would cause “”””HARM”””” so he deserves to have his career in the bin.
duh, but thinking that the majority of programmers are getting paid what the company is willing to pay them is ignorant. Most programmers can barely have normal conversations let alone negotiate.
They just take their money and are happy because it's enough.
I think you’re projecting a bit, if you’re not shit at your job and have a pair of balls and know your worth you will pretty easily get a good salary. Most developers I meet seem scared to ask for raises because they don’t have the balls. Grow a pair or git gud, ideally both
Haha this is exactly my point. You see you are getting a good salary compared to the general population and you are happy. Why aren't you earning a great salary?
It's because you aren't a good negotiator. Come back and talk salary when you are well above the average. Go look at the salary range for your position at your company with your skills/experience, you should be able to talk your way into being in the top 5-10% every time.
Yeah. Does nobody here remember the huge Silicon Valley wage-fixing / anti-competition lawsuit from the other year? Apple, Google, Intel, and Adobe paid out $415 million in damages, which is absolutely zero deterrent because the reward was only a few thousand per employee. So... wildly profitable collusion. 5 years of anticompetitive behavior affecting over 60,000 employees.
Say an average major tech co dev gets paid $300k in total compensation, but creates $20 million/yr in value, and people still wonder what the point of unions is. Unions aren’t perfect, but this is an area where they could help.
At any rate, most devs do not make $300k+. The norm is closer to $100-150k, which is lower middle class in that area.
The real thing unions could help with in tech is crunch time, unpaid overtime, arbitrary firings, “unlimited vacation” bullshit (read: undefined vacation that results in you mysteriously getting passed over for promotions/raises if you ever attempt to use it, where because of sick American work culture people actually fucking brag about not using it), and the expectation of being always-online (it’s 2am: answer that Slack message, email, pull request, Jira ticket).
Anyone who thinks CSS is proper coding and deserves to be paid like an engineer with a computer science degree is a fucking retard that deserves to be poor
“Hi I’m a web developer” - IN THE FUCKING BIN IT GOES.
If your language doesn’t compile you go get molested by Epstein. No ifs, buts, or maybes - you’re getting fucking molested on the Lolita Express and if you protest you’ll end up killing your self in prison while on suicide watch. I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD.
Python has good libraries for data scientists and is accessible, hence why mathscels use it so often since they don’t have to fuck around with memory management etc.
Python is literally NodeJS but with a better reputation
I hope you won't be upset then when you find out front end developers make just as much and/or more as whichever compiled language you're choosing to program in.
Dude made Stack Overflow along with Joel "did I mention I was a paratrooper? Did I mention Excel? Did I mention I'm gay?" Splotsky, so he is probably used to them doing it for free.
Shame on your toxic ways reddit. No, Netflix didn’t pay me and no I never got paid to post on reddit or rather accepted to post sponsored posts. But it’s heart breaking to see the amount of toxicity and threats you’re willing to spew at someone for using this platform as a 4 year old hobby now. Say what you will, we’re all on here together being bored and killing time.
Some of us enjoy lurking. Some enjoy shitposting. Others moderating. And sadly some enjoy toxic harassment without reason or proof.
It wouldn't be the richcel programmers getting even more money, it would be retardedcels prevented from being fired tho. The net negative contribution programmers.
Champagne socialists like to make a big show out of how much they support unions, but if they had to spend an hour with the type of guys in Steamfitters Local 33 they’d literally kill themselves.
Ok lemme lay this out to you as someone balls deep in this unfortunate (((community))) and working in London so I get paid half as much as these blue haired chapoposters.
£22k first year since I was too much of a chad in uni
£55k second year and still fat af
£80k third year
£95k+30% bonus fourth (current) year since I graduated
Average UK salary is £21k or something stupid. I get 5x that amount and I work 7< hours a day, work from home 2 days a week, 38 days holiday (30+national holidays), fucking company car allowance but I don’t even have a driving license because I’m such a fuckup lmao
If you work this industry and didn’t get fired for being incompetent (happens a surprising amount for graduates and people trying to break in, but discover why don’t meet the autism requirement) then you have zero fucking right to complain.
Not only that but you learn the skills to start your own company F O R F R E E
So most likely we've got what? 2-4% making 300k in the entire USA? How many of those are in tech?
These idiots all assuming that because you develop software that you automagically make 300k a year, work in Silicon Valley and can get a job at Facebook/Google/Apple is a lot of assumptions that add up to non-realistic expectations.
They're clueless tech bros, reddit and the internet are full of these idiots who think theyre worth so much. All the tech hubs combined make a minority of the software development jobs. Most programmers aren't living in them.
Programmers are unionizing, while Cgi artists with specified higher education are underpaid, have zero rights, are at time blacklisted from industries for not occasionally working for months with no pay, are showing no signs of unionization.
Realistically it would vastly improve CG on more popular films, while also hiking up budgets into 1% extra of that sweet capeshit profit. Lots of CGI firms, especially those related to/currently working on pop culture have incredible turnover and unpaid intern rates, because they realized nerds will workon cape shit and video games for free. The downside is that pop culture CGI will always be mediocre because there's nobody experienced employed in the industry, it's all recent grad retards straight out of some art school tought by professors who don't know how anything works.
The tweets in this thread are obviously cringe. And I have to extra laugh at the non-dev/designer low skill tech community managers who think they deserve 6 figures too. Those jobs pay well because they are hard, and not many people can do the work well (and a good dev is a rarity worth their weight in gold).
Unions for occupations make much more sense than unions for diverse industries. No, google janitor, you probably shouldn’t be in the tech union.
But a high skill tech union does make some sense. Anybody here remember the huge Silicon Valley wage-fixing / anti-competition lawsuit from the other year? Apple, Google, Intel, and Adobe paid out $415 million in damages, which is absolutely zero deterrent because the reward was only a few thousand per employee. So... wildly profitable collusion. 5 years of anticompetitive behavior affecting over 60,000 employees.
Say an average major tech co dev gets paid $300k in total compensation, but creates $20 million/yr in value, and people still wonder what the point of unions is. Unions aren’t perfect, but this is an area where they could help.
At any rate, most devs do not make $300k+. The norm is closer to $100-150k, which is lower middle class in that area.
The real thing unions could help with in tech is crunch time, unpaid overtime, arbitrary firings, “unlimited vacation” bullshit (read: undefined vacation that results in you mysteriously getting passed over for promotions/raises if you ever attempt to use it, where because of sick American work culture people actually fucking brag about not using it), and the expectation of being always-online (it’s 2am: answer that Slack message, email, pull request, Jira ticket).
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1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
Some bonus hot takes:
Guy says very few developers make less than average US salary. Poverty-tier developers get PISSED.
“”””Developer advocate”””” (((#1 ADVOCATE BTW))) is SEETHING because he earns $45k. Bitch you can’t even fucking code why the FRICK would the tweet apply to you, you fucking poverty-tier wanker
Mongoloid has GOTCHA because Amazon warehouse workers work in tech!!! Yeah nah love sit yer fucking flat white girl ass back down
Rich white MOIDS need to unionize because WAHMEN and PeepeePoopoo of COLOR get paid LESS. So we fix it by paying FAT WHITE AUTISMO-GOS even more!
1 Burnnoticelover 2019-09-13
This is what Chapos mean when they talk about the working class.
1 Rocketteman 2019-09-13
I'm not even sure that's possible.
1 ChevalBlancBukowski 2019-09-13
millennial job title inflation is the biggest bubble of our time
I mean have you seen the people calling themselves "comedians" on twitter?
1 qwertyman_101 2019-09-13
A new grad software developer is going to make a minimum of $60k in the middle of fucking nowhere Nebraska. If that person is making $42k they're certainly not a "software engineer" whatever their title might be.
1 Sudokublackbelt 2019-09-13
Nailed it.
1 CarefulExamination 2019-09-13
Unless he works like 10 hours a week or something, it's not.
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1 Biden_or_Bust 2019-09-13
Lol millenialacide when
1 ChilisWaitress 2019-09-13
This is why any decent programmer should just do remote contracting, get $150/hr and live somewhere based with no taxes, and only have to deal with frisco autists over the phone.
1 Alicesnakebae 2019-09-13
Dumb dumb checkmark as always
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-09-13
these people should unionize and take back the programming factory from those evil capitalists!
1 cptnhaddock 2019-09-13
This but unironically.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-09-13
They are proletarians of intellectual labor!
1 loli_esports 2019-09-13
lol @ what about nfl cte
you type on a keyboard
1 diggity_md 2019-09-13
The poor oppressed millionaires need to unionize.
1 TanksAreLit 2019-09-13
A majority of 🏀🏀🏀NFL players🏀🏀🏀 are broke after playing in the NFL. The NFLPA got players pensions and medical care after they retire.
1 diggity_md 2019-09-13
It's because of the modern slavery that is the college football system. Not their fault.
1 [deleted] 2019-09-13
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1 drake_irl 2019-09-13
Concealing brain dmg, basket ball american culture doesnt exactly promote living within your means, and theyl nfl likes their labor dumb and hungry
1 [deleted] 2019-09-13
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1 TheColdTurtle 2019-09-13
Womp womp
1 PUBLIQclopAccountant 2019-09-13
Then they should be responsible with their money.
1 TanksAreLit 2019-09-13
They are black you racist
1 PUBLIQclopAccountant 2019-09-13
Black or Blaq®™?
1 diggity_md 2019-09-13
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikerugnetta/photo
https://mobile.twitter.com/dylnuge/photo Pronouns in bio
https://mobile.twitter.com/not_ced/photo
https://mobile.twitter.com/mykola/photo Autistic, grandson of immigrant refugees
https://mobile.twitter.com/ASpittel/photo Pronouns in bio
https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeHerrington/photo Pronouns in bio
https://mobile.twitter.com/nota_bennett/photo Agender, posts about DBZ
https://mobile.twitter.com/seldo/photo Lol
https://mobile.twitter.com/Mx_Reese/photo @jack is a Nazi
https://mobile.twitter.com/laripley/photo Look at it
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
Welcome to the world of programming Twitter. 1 and 0s don’t real anymore it’s all fucking pronouns all the fucking time.
They recently cancelled some guy because he played the circle game and the cuck actually apologised and said he should have known it would cause “”””HARM”””” so he deserves to have his career in the bin.
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1 KaaraRaven 2019-09-13
Well duh, programming attracts that sort of crowd because you don't have to leave the house for it.
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1 Platycel 2019-09-13
What circle game?
1 TheRootinTootinPutin 2019-09-13
If you see the circle you get punched. It's an "OK" sign, and more of a younger millenial thing. Zoomers do it too, now, I think?
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
The white power one
1 HeilHillary88 2019-09-13
Ngl, the circle game is pretty gay, frankly he had it coming.
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1 Plexipus 2019-09-13
Programming is a spectrum, babe, not binary 😘
1 TanksAreLit 2019-09-13
In the words of Jesse Lee Peterson, BETA!
1 KaaraRaven 2019-09-13
All those links and all of them are mobile. You disgust me. >:v
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
Sorry I don’t have time to sit at a Ducking desktop ALL DAY.
Some of us HAVE PLACES TO BE. OK?
Fucking nerds I swear to fucking god.
1 ason 2019-09-13
Twitter is a menagerie of horrors.
1 MoistLanguage 2019-09-13
One more for the collection
https://twitter.com/lizthegrey/status/1172286985949593602?s=19
1 10inchblackhawk 2019-09-13
That is MasterLawls in drag. No way is that an actual person.
1 BoredMongolHorde 2019-09-13
Found a group pic with Xe/Xer: https://twitter.com/stillinbeta/status/1134951588391464965/photo/1
1 artemis_m_oswald 2019-09-13
OP is poorcel confirmed. 300k isn't even that great in Silicon Valley.
1 CarefulExamination 2019-09-13
it's pretty decent if you're not old
1 drake_irl 2019-09-13
Cali takes 50% of it
1 ChevalBlancBukowski 2019-09-13
lol for every $300k techbro there's probably 100 kids slinging
assCSS for $5/hr after expenses1 TrollFarm4 2019-09-13
Even if every techbro made 300k we would get more by unionizing.
You think most programmers have enough skills to negotiate salary?
1 ChevalBlancBukowski 2019-09-13
"capital is unlimited"
I assure you it's not
1 TrollFarm4 2019-09-13
duh, but thinking that the majority of programmers are getting paid what the company is willing to pay them is ignorant. Most programmers can barely have normal conversations let alone negotiate.
They just take their money and are happy because it's enough.
1 fucken_random 2019-09-13
I think you’re projecting a bit, if you’re not shit at your job and have a pair of balls and know your worth you will pretty easily get a good salary. Most developers I meet seem scared to ask for raises because they don’t have the balls. Grow a pair or git gud, ideally both
1 label_and_libel 2019-09-13
The fact that the owners of Google have tens of billions of dollars means that there are tens of billions of dollars left on the table.
1 TrollFarm4 2019-09-13
Haha this is exactly my point. You see you are getting a good salary compared to the general population and you are happy. Why aren't you earning a great salary?
It's because you aren't a good negotiator. Come back and talk salary when you are well above the average. Go look at the salary range for your position at your company with your skills/experience, you should be able to talk your way into being in the top 5-10% every time.
I'm not sure why you are proud of being mediocre.
1 dreamedifice 2019-09-13
Yeah. Does nobody here remember the huge Silicon Valley wage-fixing / anti-competition lawsuit from the other year? Apple, Google, Intel, and Adobe paid out $415 million in damages, which is absolutely zero deterrent because the reward was only a few thousand per employee. So... wildly profitable collusion. 5 years of anticompetitive behavior affecting over 60,000 employees.
Say an average major tech co dev gets paid $300k in total compensation, but creates $20 million/yr in value, and people still wonder what the point of unions is. Unions aren’t perfect, but this is an area where they could help.
At any rate, most devs do not make $300k+. The norm is closer to $100-150k, which is lower middle class in that area.
The real thing unions could help with in tech is crunch time, unpaid overtime, arbitrary firings, “unlimited vacation” bullshit (read: undefined vacation that results in you mysteriously getting passed over for promotions/raises if you ever attempt to use it, where because of sick American work culture people actually fucking brag about not using it), and the expectation of being always-online (it’s 2am: answer that Slack message, email, pull request, Jira ticket).
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
Anyone who thinks CSS is proper coding and deserves to be paid like an engineer with a computer science degree is a fucking retard that deserves to be poor
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2019-09-13
Webshitter oppression is good praxis, tho.
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
“Hi I’m a web developer” - IN THE FUCKING BIN IT GOES.
If your language doesn’t compile you go get molested by Epstein. No ifs, buts, or maybes - you’re getting fucking molested on the Lolita Express and if you protest you’ll end up killing your self in prison while on suicide watch. I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD.
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2019-09-13
Python doesn't compile and it's actually usefull for things, but beyond that, unfathomly based.
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
Python has good libraries for data scientists and is accessible, hence why mathscels use it so often since they don’t have to fuck around with memory management etc.
Python is literally NodeJS but with a better reputation
Tbf tho Node is based and is taking over
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2019-09-13
They hated jesus because he told them the truth.
lmao, nothing derived from jabbascript is anything but a mistake.
1 jimmerz28 2019-09-13
I hope you won't be upset then when you find out front end developers make just as much and/or more as whichever compiled language you're choosing to program in.
1 minerva_ATL 2019-09-13
Dude made Stack Overflow along with Joel "did I mention I was a paratrooper? Did I mention Excel? Did I mention I'm gay?" Splotsky, so he is probably used to them doing it for free.
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1 NumerousEvent 2019-09-13
Uh... yes?
It's a compelling mission statement to the millionaires.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-09-13
It wouldn't be the richcel programmers getting even more money, it would be retardedcels prevented from being fired tho. The net negative contribution programmers.
1 NumerousEvent 2019-09-13
That's probably right, but the argument that well-paid programmers (or whatever employee) shouldn't be jockeying for more money is dumb.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-09-13
Yeah, that's a dumb argument.
1 drake_irl 2019-09-13
On average union bois make more money then non union-cels
1 nd2017 2019-09-13
Champagne socialists like to make a big show out of how much they support unions, but if they had to spend an hour with the type of guys in Steamfitters Local 33 they’d literally kill themselves.
1 trappysaruh 2019-09-13
>Steamfitters Local 33
man i bet those are some kicken rad people to hang with
1 LaptopEnforcer 2019-09-13
Hey man the Pipelayers and Plumbers Local 348 and Steelworkers Union 156 guys are solid as hell
1 spookyguy109 2019-09-13
Those guys aren’t working class, they’re racist and homophobic
1 Growey 2019-09-13
Only bearded fags and hair colored trannies are replying to him.
1 drake_irl 2019-09-13
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
WOW
1 jimmerz28 2019-09-13
All that money can't buy them job security.
Or vacation.
Or sick days.
Or maternity leave.
Or fix "at will employment".
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Maybe 0.5% of all programmers in the US make 300k+ if that.
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Another ridiculous attack on what should be a good start to restarting worker's rights movement in the USA.
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
Ok lemme lay this out to you as someone balls deep in this unfortunate (((community))) and working in London so I get paid half as much as these blue haired chapoposters.
Average UK salary is £21k or something stupid. I get 5x that amount and I work 7< hours a day, work from home 2 days a week, 38 days holiday (30+national holidays), fucking company car allowance but I don’t even have a driving license because I’m such a fuckup lmao
If you work this industry and didn’t get fired for being incompetent (happens a surprising amount for graduates and people trying to break in, but discover why don’t meet the autism requirement) then you have zero fucking right to complain.
Not only that but you learn the skills to start your own company F O R F R E E
1 jimmerz28 2019-09-13
No offense, but with four years of work experience you're not "balls deep" in any field.
95k a year +30% bonus isn't the norm for only four years of experience and I'd also be tempted to call BS if it wasn't in a metropolis.
Which is part of the problem: most people don't live in a metroplis or work for Google/Facebook/Apple in Silicon Valley.
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Startups go bottom up, what? 90-95% of the time? Great idea.
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Do you guys have work contracts in the UK? Cause we don't in the US.
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I'll lay out the US facts for you:
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https://www.irs.gov/statistics/soi-tax-stats-tax-stats-at-a-glance
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So most likely we've got what? 2-4% making 300k in the entire USA? How many of those are in tech?
These idiots all assuming that because you develop software that you automagically make 300k a year, work in Silicon Valley and can get a job at Facebook/Google/Apple is a lot of assumptions that add up to non-realistic expectations.
1 TheBestEagle 2019-09-13
They're clueless tech bros, reddit and the internet are full of these idiots who think theyre worth so much. All the tech hubs combined make a minority of the software development jobs. Most programmers aren't living in them.
1 label_and_libel 2019-09-13
It's got to be more than 0.5%.
1 jimmerz28 2019-09-13
It's really not considering what the IRS posts.
Unless all these magical unicorns are getting paid under the table.
1 SideFumbling 2019-09-13
Jeff Atwood is one of the most retarded retards to ever spread his retardation on our precious internet.
And I say that as a software developer.
1 MoistLanguage 2019-09-13
https://twitter.com/lizthegrey/status/1172286985949593602?s=19
Holy shit its the google goblin who got into a spat with Damore because "women" like him can code just as well as man.
1 TheFerrret 2019-09-13
Programmers are unionizing, while Cgi artists with specified higher education are underpaid, have zero rights, are at time blacklisted from industries for not occasionally working for months with no pay, are showing no signs of unionization.
1 drake_irl 2019-09-13
I support cgi unionizing because it will hopefully slow capeshit production, or even stop it during a strike
1 TheFerrret 2019-09-13
Realistically it would vastly improve CG on more popular films, while also hiking up budgets into 1% extra of that sweet capeshit profit. Lots of CGI firms, especially those related to/currently working on pop culture have incredible turnover and unpaid intern rates, because they realized nerds will workon cape shit and video games for free. The downside is that pop culture CGI will always be mediocre because there's nobody experienced employed in the industry, it's all recent grad retards straight out of some art school tought by professors who don't know how anything works.
1 3D_women_disgust_me 2019-09-13
Their jobs will be automated soon anyway
1 TheFerrret 2019-09-13
Yeah no
1 TerribleRelief9 2019-09-13
They're making too much money and they want to give it to the mafia.
1 wow___justwow 2019-09-13
For once a twitter profile that makes sense.
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2019-09-13
Well, yes, that's the point, lmao.
1 dreamedifice 2019-09-13
The tweets in this thread are obviously cringe. And I have to extra laugh at the non-dev/designer low skill tech community managers who think they deserve 6 figures too. Those jobs pay well because they are hard, and not many people can do the work well (and a good dev is a rarity worth their weight in gold).
Unions for occupations make much more sense than unions for diverse industries. No, google janitor, you probably shouldn’t be in the tech union.
But a high skill tech union does make some sense. Anybody here remember the huge Silicon Valley wage-fixing / anti-competition lawsuit from the other year? Apple, Google, Intel, and Adobe paid out $415 million in damages, which is absolutely zero deterrent because the reward was only a few thousand per employee. So... wildly profitable collusion. 5 years of anticompetitive behavior affecting over 60,000 employees.
Say an average major tech co dev gets paid $300k in total compensation, but creates $20 million/yr in value, and people still wonder what the point of unions is. Unions aren’t perfect, but this is an area where they could help.
At any rate, most devs do not make $300k+. The norm is closer to $100-150k, which is lower middle class in that area.
The real thing unions could help with in tech is crunch time, unpaid overtime, arbitrary firings, “unlimited vacation” bullshit (read: undefined vacation that results in you mysteriously getting passed over for promotions/raises if you ever attempt to use it, where because of sick American work culture people actually fucking brag about not using it), and the expectation of being always-online (it’s 2am: answer that Slack message, email, pull request, Jira ticket).
1 LongPostBot 2019-09-13
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1 lakassket 2019-09-13
What a shitty world we’re setting up for ourselves and our children.. Jeez...