How does it feel to be a filthy bedouin who belongs to a lineage and culture which has never actually accomplished anything for itself? The only remarkable traits of your people are that they sit atop oil which white people pay you for and that you are dishonest and relatively dim witted. If western leaders weren't a bunch of jew addled traitors they would have wiped your people off the face of the earth and simply taken your oil rather than paid your retarded royalty a single cent.
Now we have a scenario in which a bunch of dune coons run around playing 21st century warlord with weaponry their stupid people couldn't possibly invent and shitting up life on earth for everybody. We never should have sold you so much as a Lamborghini let alone a fucking autocannon. Handing you sand niggers modern weaponry is like handing a small child a hand grenade.
If your people were worth their weight in salt they would turn their own lands into a place fit for human beings. Since they aren't able to, they flee to our lands and proceed to breed like rats while feeding their children with fraudulently earned income and welfare paid for by white people. You and your ilk will eventually outnumber us in our homes and our lands will become as shitty and useless as your lands. Cograts, you'll achieve dar es salaam but you won't have running water or a functioning power grid. You played yourself.
Shameful behavior from a deceitful desert tribe. Yet you feel pride. So strange.
Agreed, these people are very easily manipulated by the media. They unironically think Sonlands presumptions are damning evidence, when it proves absolutely nothing.
I’m telling you one mans presumptions, especially someone under duress, are simply not fact. Political theater is entertaining, but that’s all it is imo
Well the good news is that after his second term when he is indicted, he likely not be able to get it up anyway. Unless they give boner pills in prison 🤔
He'll be fine, Reagan's gotten through worse. But watching the guy in charge of the USA slipping ever deeper into dementia is hilarious and I don't want the drama to go away.
“I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’ As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes,” Sondland said in his opening statement.
Yes to quid pro quo, bribery, whatever you want to call it.
Sondland also said U.S. military assistance to Ukraine was withheld and that in "the absence of any credible" reason for the hold on assistance, he emailed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and asked if Trump and Zelensky should meet to try to break that "logjam." He said Pompeo responded affirmatively.
Sondland in his testimony says that many throughout the Trump administration realized the link between the issues of quid pro quo and the White House visit, delivering a blow to Republicans who have sought to bat down claims there were contingencies placed by Trump for such probes, which are now at the center of the House impeachment inquiry.
“Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret. Everyone was informed view email on July 19, days before the Presidential call," he said. "As I communicated to the team, I told President Zelensky in advance that assurances to 'run a fully transparent investigation' and 'turn over every stone' were necessary in his call with President Trump."
The names on the email included Pompeo, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, the chief of staff to then-Energy Secretary Rick Perry, and others.
Sondland’s testimony also draws in several top names from the Trump administration, to whom he says he raised the issue of the delayed aid.
“I mentioned to Vice President Pence before the meetings that I had concerns that the delay in aid had become tied to the issue of investigations. I recall mentioning that before the Zelensky meeting,” Sondland testified, referring to meetings that occurred on September 1.
He also mentioned Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who he said raised concerns about aid being withheld as leverage for investigations.
Squawked in everybody.
While Sondland did not seek to explain why he had to amend his testimony to affirm a quid pro quo --a matter that is at heart of Democrats' concern as to whether the diplomat is credible or not -- he did criticize the White House for refusing to turn over documents that would help him answer the committee’s questions.
“I finally called the president, I believe it was on the 9th of September, I can’t find the records and [the State Department] won’t provide them to me, but I believe I just asked him an open-ended question, Mr. Chairman,” Sondland told House Intelligence Committe Chairman Adam Schiff.
Sondland told Schiff that he asked Trump: “What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that. What do you want?”
“It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” Sondland continued. “So I typed out a text to ambassador Taylor and my reason for telling him this was not to defend what the president was saying, not to opine on whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay I’ve gone as far as I can go. This is the final word that I heard from the president the United States.”
At another point in the hearing, Sondland told the Democrat counsel, “I don’t recall President Trump ever talking to me about any security assistance. Ever.”
Sondland continued, “I did not hear directly from President Trump that the aid would be held up until the statement was made. I did not hear those words.”
This is about whether or not he used his authority as pres to investigate a political opponent which unless you're retarded/ddf, he literally admitted to in the released call transcript
It's about investigating corruption in ukraine, which is a totally benevolent and bipartisan goal.
If Biden didn't want to be investigated for corruption in Ukraine, he probably should have stopped his son from taking millions from an obviously corrupt Ukrainian company. Or recused himself from Ukraine involvement when his son started taking the bribes83k monthly salary.
I'm curious, what exactly is the crime that Hunter is suposed to be guilty of here? Last I checked, it's not illegal to get a job, even if it's trading off your dad's name.
Trump is only interested because it could make his rival look bad.
What do you mean "could?" At this point everyone thinks Biden got his crackhead son a cushy job then used his influence to cover for the corrupt company that was doling out his payoff. You can tell even congressional democrats and the media think that's the case, because they've adopted the "no one is allowed to talk about" stance and refuse to broach the subject.
Trumps approval rating has gone up since the hearings started. Support for impeachment is down slightly. If you're actually watching the hearings and not getting it filtered through CNN and the rest of the media I don't know how you could think any of this is working out for the dems. They've been showing the bits they want you to see, but you're missing the parts where the republican cross-examination shreds the case Schiff is trying to build.
I guess we'll never know since you apparently can't investigate someone if they're running for president, despite the fact that the previous administration was "investigating" the Trump campaign during the last presidential election and the democrats are currently "investigating" Donald Trump, the incumbent republican presidential candidate. Sounds like "rules for thee but not for me."
Trump wasn't targeted for an investigation, he just so happened to have people in his campaign that were in contact with Russian assets that were targeted. This connection lead to an investigation on his campaign.
Trump literally targeted Biden. He wanted to shoot first and ask questions later and use a foreign state to do it.
If you belive Trump's campaign didn't have contact with Russian assets and that tends to get the FBIs attention you're unironically retarded and should have to join Captain for whatever the Australian equivalent to Thanksgiving is
I think he’s just obsessed with the 2016 elections and believes some crowdstrike conspiracy theory, and right before the call he probably heard Hannity mention Hunter Biden so he threw that in there. I don’t think Trump was playing 14D chess trying to use the aid as leverage but who knows. It’s a rorsach test. If you think Trump is corrupt to the bone, you won’t think he cared about corruption in Ukraine, if you love Trump you’ll think he was doing the right thing, and if you’re in the middle I don’t think this moves the needle one way or the other, especially given impeachment sets the bar so high for bad behavior and this feels like reaching, even if it was a no-no.
Dude, he sent his own lawyer to dig up dirt from the Ukraine at the same time he cut federal funds from them without explaining. None of this is normal.
Probably in the same place it says a vice president can withhold aid unless a foreign government fires one of their officials without going through legislation.
The other thing,
There's a lot of talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the
prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.
This is his own words, no? This is asking a foreign president to investigate a political rival. This has been released by the White House, it's a fact.
Is corruption in the call? Or the one from April? I didn’t see it. I must have missed when the president cared about Bidens son in the past three years, well before Joe announced his campaign in say April.
This is asking a foreign president to investigate a political rival corruption.
Biden is hardly a "political rival." Creepy Uncle Joe hasn't even locked down the dem nomination yet. I'd like to see Biden win, because having two senile old men trying to out-gaffe the other for eight months seems like it would be good for dramacoin. They're keeping our girl-sniffing ex-VP out of the public eye lately so that he doesn't say anything stupid, like "poor kids are just as smart as white kids," and botch his chances so bad that Crazy Uncle Bernie or the boring cat lady professor end up winning the race.
Can you share why you think Trump sent his personal lawyer, someone who doesn't work for the government and therefor not required to keep record of his activity, to Ukraine?
If you believed there were career people who were desperately trying to cover their tracks from a massive looting of a country, would you trust those same people to be truthful and actual represent US interests, or their save own necks?
It may be he thought Rudi was the only he could trust to tell him what was really going on.
Trump has been in power for 3 years now. He has already replaced most ambassadors with his own people.
Why would you do the sketchiest shit, like send your own lawyer to talk with foreign states to go off record, to discuss corruption and transparency?
Why did someone who donated millions to Trump, and appointed by him, testify against him today?
The only reason Trump would send a non federal agent to talk with Ukraine was so he could hide the paper trail. If he believed there were "career people who were desperately trying to cover their tracks from a massive looting of a country", then public records were exactly what was needed to expose them.
You are nothing but a boot licker who doesn't care what is done as long as it is done by someone you support.
Wow...ad hominem, in place of any actual evidence of any crime, and in the actual testimony by everyone called, no one could actually provide an instance of a quid pro quo or a bribe or whatever new crime they need to invent to desperately cover their own corrupt tracks, for which, in fact, there is plenty of evidence.
Maybe you should reexamine your own diet of boot leather as you shill for the war machine and those that led the looting of Ukraine
A Ukrainian MP says a document leaked from the Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General contains claims against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky, as well as Hunter Biden and his partners - who allegedly received $16.5 million for their 'services' - according to Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.
Dubinsky made the claim in a Wednesday press conference, citing materials from an investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.
"Zlochevsky was charged with this new accusation by the Office of the Prosecutor General but the press ignored it," said the MP. "It was issued on November 14."
"The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering," he then said, adding "Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens."
According to Dubinsky, Hunter Biden's income from Burisma is a "link that reveals how money is siphoned [from Ukraine]," and how Biden is just one link in the chain of Zlochevsky's money laundering operation which included politicians from the previous Yanukovich administration who continued their schemes under his successor, President Pyotr Poroshenko.
"We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt," said Dubinsky, adding that "in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds."
Franklin Templeton named
According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the 'family' of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party."
"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 - 2014.
"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach added.
Derkach then demanded "President Zelensky must pick up the phone, dial Trump, ask for help and cooperation in the fight against corruption and fly to Washington. The issue of combating international corruption in Ukraine with the participation of citizens, businessmen and U.S. officials should become a key during the meeting of the two presidents."
I assume you are as concerned about this as you are a phantom crime committed by Trump
I assume you are as concerned about this as you are a phantom crime committed by Trump
See, here is the thing. You are such a bootlicker that you assume everyone must be.
I have no problem with the Bidens being investigated, and hope justice is found if they are guilty.
You, on the other hand, will defend Trump til the day he dies, even if you think he did something wrong, because you assume it is for the greater good or some bullshit.
Bullshit, if he's guilty, fuck him. But there's no evidence of crime, that's the whole thing. NO EVIDENCE, the charges are made up, non prosecutable and flimsy at best.
The testimony, under oath, by the Dems handpicked witnesses is very clear.
Not only is there no evidence of bribery or whatever, they can't even prove attempted bribery.
You seem like you may want to know the truth instead of just taking a side, so I refer you to the testimony from the only person called who actually spoke to Trump:
“It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” Sondland continued. “So I typed out a text to ambassador Taylor and my reason for telling him this was not to defend what the president was saying, not to opine on whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay I’ve gone as far as I can go. This is the final word that I heard from the president the United States.”
At another point in the hearing, Sondland told the Democrat counsel, “I don’t recall President Trump ever talking to me about any security assistance. Ever.”
Sondland continued, “I did not hear directly from President Trump that the aid would be held up until the statement was made. I did not hear those words.”
“It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” Sondland continued. “So I typed out a text to ambassador Taylor and my reason for telling him this was not to defend what the president was saying, not to opine on whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay I’ve gone as far as I can go. This is the final word that I heard from the president the United States.”
If you understand the context of this, it was after Trump found out about the whistle blower. Of course he is going to say there was no quid pro quo. Why else would he say that unless he was being accused of quid pro quo?
It is in Sondland's opinion, who was appointed by Trump, that there was quid pro quo. He stated that plainly. He said he would have been able to show that clearly if the documents he requested wern't blocked by the White House.
But you are ignoring the rest of his testimony--“Did the president ever tell you personally about any preconditions for anything?” Republican counsel Steve Castor asked.
“No,” Sondland responded.
“The president never you told about any preconditions for the aid to be released?” Castor continued.
“No,” Sondland responded.
“The president never told about any preconditions for a White House meeting?” Castor asked.
I tried diligently to ask why the aid was suspended, but I never received a clear answer. Still haven’t to this day. In the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid, I later came to believe that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations of the 2016 elections and Burisma as Mr. Giuliani had demanded.
This is the thing. If there was a reason other than extortion for holding the aid, we would have heard it. Instead we hear nothing.
That doesn't prove extortion, bribery or anything else, the President sets foreign policy, not the Ambassador, intelligence agencies or anyone else, and it is not unusual for delays cancellations or even actual quid pro quo in foreign relations, (see Obama's 400M payment to Iran)
“Did he also mention to me in past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely,” Mulvaney said. “No question about that. But that’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”
What he’s saying is that President Trump was concerned about the historic corruption in Ukraine not at all related to the Bidens or to the Democratic Party — and that’s the primary reason why he delayed sending Ukraine the $400 million.
It doesn't prove it, it is just ridiculously suspicious and there is no reason to believe he wasn't acting in his own interests until he can provide a reason.
14:16 of Sondland's testimony
Commitment to reform and we were excited about the possibility of Ukraine making the changes necessary to support a greater western economic investment. And, we were excited that Ukraine might, after years and years of lip service, finally get serious about addressing its own well-known corruption problems. With that enthusiasm, we returned the White House on May 23rd to brief President Trump. We advised the president of the strategic importance of Ukraine and the value of strengthening the relationship with President Zelensky. To support this reformer, we asked the White House for two things. First, a working phone call between Presidents Trump and Zelensky, and second, a working oval office visit. In our view, both were vital to cementing the US-Ukraine relationship, demonstrating support for Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression and advancing broader US foreign policy interests.
Unfortunately, President Trump was skeptical. He expressed concerns that the Ukrainian government was not serious about reform and he even mentioned that Ukraine tried to take him down in the last election. In response to our persistent efforts in that meeting to change his views, President Trump directed us to, “talk with Rudy.” We understood that talk with Rudy meant, talk with Mr. Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer. Let me say again, we weren’t happy with the president’s directive to talk with Rudy. We did not want to involve Mr. Giuliani. I believe then, as I do now, that the men and women of the state department, not the president’s personal lawyer, should take responsibility for Ukraine matters.
You have it backwards, there is no reason to believe a crime was committed until there is evidence of a crime.
You don't investigate a murder typically, until you have a body for instance. And again, the President can set policy however he likes. He doesn't need approval from Congress, ambassadors, unelected bureaucrats or anyone else.
You can say its suspicious, if you like, but that is not evidence of a crime.
In fact, not one witness has produced any testimony or evidence of anything outside the realm of normal politics.
Sorry, but it just isn't there.
Sondland or Vindaman's or anyone else's opinion on how policy should be conducted is completely irrelevant.
There isn't a body, but there is a smoking gun and witness saying a man carrying a heavy bag was seen walking away from the scene into the White House and when asked if they could see the bag, the White House says, "No."
And again, the President can set policy however he likes. He doesn't need approval from Congress, ambassadors, unelected bureaucrats or anyone else.
The article goes into detail of the laws, but this is the summary:
Before the whistleblower complaint and the notes from Trump’s call with Zelensky were released, this timing perplexed Congress. Politico’s coverage of OMB’s delay suggests the Ukrainian funds were upheld as part of a larger White House initiative to review and cut “unnecessary” foreign assistance. This policy placed Trump in direct conflict with Senate Republicans, who saw the Ukrainian aid as vital to national security and thought the president was trying to circumvent Congress’s spending power.
OMB might have had the ability to withhold this aid if the White House had provided Congress with a message meeting the ICA’s requirements. But no message appears to have been sent. Furthermore, the aid from both Defense and State was held long past the mandated 45-day period and in apparent contravention of his powers defined by 31 U.S.C § 1512. The president and OMB did ultimately release the $250 million in aid from the Defense Department (on Sept. 11) and the $141 million from the State Department (around the same date). Whether there is some good legal or other explanation for the long delay in releasing the money is a question that lacks a clear answer, and that might remain unanswered indefinitely if Congress cannot get its hands on the requested documents.
It is usually an informal process re: aid, and that is not the same as setting foreign policy
When a reporter pointed out that Mulvaney was describing a “quid pro quo” in withholding the military aid package, Mulvaney responded, “We do that all the time with foreign policy.”
“We were holding up money at the same for the Northern Triangle Countries [Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador]…so that they would change their policies on immigration,” Mulvaney continued.
However, Mulvaney denied that Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine specifically to pressure the country to conduct investigations into Joe Biden.
It is written in law and did not comply with the process written in the law.
However, Mulvaney denied that Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine specifically to pressure the country to conduct investigations into Joe Biden.
And yet his only demand was to investigate a single company which Biden's son was affiliated with and a conspiracy that the Ukraine framed Russia's DNC hack, that his own cabinet asserts is unfounded.
Both his demands just so happen to be in his own personal interests.
I will only be satisfied once all documentation is released and clears him. There is no reason to trust him otherwise.
Where in the testimony does anyone say at any time that there was a demand?
The only person that actually spoke to the President, Sondland, explicitly testified that he was never told at any time by Trump that there were any conditions attached to the meeting, or the aid
No one else actually spoke to Trump, none of the other "witnesses" or the "whistleblower" spoke to Trump at any time, so what is your evidence?
The investigation you referenced is part of Durham's ongoing investigation into 2016, and is well within legal limits to investigate.
Biden himself was on video threatening to withold aid if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma, the actual evidence is on video, which we have all seen, so was that a violation also? It certainly meets the definition of a quid pro quo, and unlike Trump, he is on video bragging about it!
That's an easy one if you really care about the abject corruption surrounding Ukraine.
Where in the testimony does anyone say at any time that there was a demand?
Well, you yourself have said the aid was withheld to pressure Ukraine into doing what Trump wanted.
9:00 Sondland's testimony
Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing the investigations of the 2016 election, DNC server and Burisma. Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the President of the United States and we knew these investigations were important to the president.
If you want to throw Giuliani under the bus, fine.
The investigation you referenced is part of Durham's ongoing investigation into 2016, and is well within legal limits to investigate.
What happened to needing a body first? No one in US intelligence thinks Ukraine did it.
Biden himself was on video threatening to withold aid if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma
This is a lie. One of the reasons Viktor Shokin was outsted was BECAUSE he was not putting effort into investigating Burisma.
the actual evidence is on video, which we have all seen, so was that a violation also? It certainly meets the definition of a quid pro quo, and unlike Trump, he is on video bragging about it!
No, because he did it publicly which means he would have gone through the legal process, instead of doing it in private and then breaking the legal process, like Trump.
Also unlike Trump, Biden wouldn't directly benefit because Shokin wasn't taking taking the Burisma case seriously anyway. He was there for over a year and never made progress on it. Quid pro quo isn't negotiation, it is "benifit me personally, and I'll use my official power to help you".
Like I said before, I'm all for the investigation into Burisma, and if Hunter is found guilty, great. Trump doesn't care otherwise.
That's no lie, the new improved timeline is a lie, according to the Ukrainians
Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP
KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.
Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.
"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.
He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.
"According to the documents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014]," Derkach said.
"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.
"Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015 was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma. Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a bitch who was fired'," Derkach said.
The timeline of events proves that the U.S. linked the Zlochevsky case to loan guarantees, he said.
After the decree dismissing Shokin was published on April 3, 2016, the governments of the United States and Ukraine signed a loan guarantee agreement worth $1 billion, several months later, on June 3, he said.
"In this case, there are facts should be subject to investigation. There is an agency that has powers to investigate them; the U.S. Department of Justice. If the Ukrainian Prosecutor General signs documents and send them to U.S. Department of Justice without any requests, he will accomplish his mission," he said, adding that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General has such powers.
"Considering international corruption in public is a way-out for President Zelensky. I am certain that he is not involved in international corruption," Derkach said.
It was reported earlier that Derkach publicized correspondence between the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and officers of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. According to publicized correspondence, starting from July 14, 2017, the lists of criminal proceedings undertaken by NABU officers were sent from the electronic mailbox of Polina Chyzh, an assistant to NABU first deputy head Gizo Uglava, to the electronic mailbox of Hanna Yemelianova, a legal specialist of the anti-corruption program of the U.S. Justice Department at U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.
Derkach also said that NABU-leak materials will be published on his Facebook account and materials that he got from investigating journalists have already been passed to Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigations and the Prosecutor's General Office.
He also said he will initiate the creation of an ad hoc parliamentary investigative commission and has already requested launching a criminal case against Ukrainian officials into interference into U.S. elections. The court session is scheduled for October 21, he said.
Burisma Holdings is a Cyprus-registered gas producing company holding assets in Ukraine. It is one of Ukraine's top-three independent gas producers headquartered in Kyiv. Zlochevsky is the founder and the ultimate beneficiary owner of the company.
Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP
Interesting if true, but that is an accusation. It says a few sentences down that the money was paid to a lobbying firm and they believe they then paid Joe Biden. Also, it doesn't mention a time table, which is relevant.
Certainly something that merits digging into.
"According to the documents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014]," Derkach said.
Unless I am mistaken, this is just lumping all of their salaries together to make it seem like they all got paid 16 million. They don't even imply that it was embezzled or otherwise illegal.
Again, I'm all for the investigation. The Bidens are at least guilty of being unethical and foolish even if they didn't break the law.
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Lmao don’t be a rightoid fag, trump is unironically a dumbass but he’s the most entertaining man we could ever have. Enjoy the drama and ignore the politics
Donald Trump tried to sell Vladimir Putin on a real estate project (with a special Vladimir pent house) during his campaign for president, while telling Russia to find Hillary’s emails.
Also his campaign chair was a known relation of Russian intelligence.
Point your blame at Debbie WashermanSchultz for hiring Imran Awan and his family. 'Twas he who leaked the DNC emails. She also allowed his whole clan to escape back to Pakistan scot-free despite the fact he stole their servers and overcharged half of the Dems congressmen.
You are a sub 80-IQ retard. You literally just repeat Redstate bullshit shoveled into your brain. I unironically hate you and wish you would get off the goddamn internet as soon as humanly possible for the good of our species. Repent.
I doubt you can finish anything. Whether that be that novel you promised yourself you’d get to one day, or that dick that you’ve beaten into permanent remission you fried dopamine receptor degenerate fuck.
Nah, the left would realize that they actually hate him, since he was very religious and a deregulator (which is why Teddy K primaried him as a sitting president).They only like him now because he's been a vocal dove and house builder in his post-presidency.
Yeah, dude is a serial DDF coper. Tbh, the DDF is kind of pissing me off right now, not cause they're rightoids but just because they've already won and they won't just admit Daddy did it.
I'd respect them if they just started screaming "QUID PRO QUO BITCH, YOU CAN'T TO SHIT 2/3 NEEDED IN THE SENATE" and just started kicking up the hornets nest without so much cope.
Honestly this whole thing is just boring at this point. First it was Stormy and Avenatti that were going to take him down, then it was Mueller, then it was thirty other things, now it's some Ukraine shit.
Nothing's going to happen. Either he'll win reelection in 2020 or he won't- that's all that really matters at this point.
Anyone defending him over this Ukraine shit is wasting their time, and anyone attacking him over it is also wasting their time.
“It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” Sondland continued. “So I typed out a text to ambassador Taylor and my reason for telling him this was not to defend what the president was saying, not to opine on whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay I’ve gone as far as I can go. This is the final word that I heard from the president the United States.”
I do not want to pretend that Daddy doesn't have dementia, but he is reading a quote from Sondland
I do not want to pretend that Daddy doesn't have dementia, but he is reading a quote from Sondland's testimony that he thinks vindicates him. Or he's writing a children's book, who knows
Por que no los dos? I can see it now: How I Didn't Bribe Ukraine by Donald Trump.
Trump is trolling the media so epicly right now hahhahaha hes doing that to own the leftists. You guys are playing checkers while trump is playing interdimensional catalan.
I mean it makes sense. He pissed off more people in 4 years than Italians did in the last 400 years. And he doesn't even make sick lasagna to make up for it.
Caught some on NPR this morning. The funniest part was that Sondland confirmed that no one in the administration cared about the investigation happening, they just wanted a public announcement of it.
It's Comey 2.0 and takes the wind out of the "president investigating corruption" sails.
Exactly, why should we have to put up with so much Trump drama agenda posting, when there is so few Terfs vs Tranny, trollX, and menslib posts these days?
No my man, I'm just saying it's not fair that we can have a trump agenda like this, when there is hardly ever any non-agenda posts like the above mentioned.
Not DDF, but I did actually listen to some of the hearings. All I’ve heard so far is hearsay on top of hearsay about a transcript I read a month ago, changing precisely nobody’s mind. Trump continues to sundown along with his top political opponent and one or two of the second string opponents. God bless America.
Impeachment is certain at this point. And the big witnesses haven't even been touched yet. Mulvaney and Bolton, under oath, will seal the deal on removal.
He's a fucking toddler with dementia who has to scribble his notes, so you realise how stupid defending him is? Are you getting marching orders directly from Putin?
Sondland? He contributed $1m to Trump. That's why he got the job in Ukraine.
He only donated to Trump after he won the primary, and probably as a means of securing an ambassadorial office, as is tradition. Before that, he was a Jeb! supporter with ties to the Bush family. I don't think Sondland is trying to hurt or help Trump. I think he's a deer in the headlights and has no idea which way he's supposed to go or what he's supposed to say.
I think stopped worrying and learned to love the Orange Man (who is bad), but only because he wanted to be an ambassador. I don't think he wants to be involved at this point, and is just trying to keep everyone happy so he doesn't get slapped with charges later and tossed in prison.
The look on Schiff's face in that second clip would pair well with the Curb Your Enthusiasm end-credits music. The whole thing's a farce, and I'm wallowing in schadenfreude watching Schiff get wrecked even after he set up the rules to give himself an advantage, won't let the republicans call witnesses, and is constantly interrupting them when they have the floor. If Andy Kaufman were still alive he'd be playing Schiff in SNL skits by now.
Schiff didn't approve any republican witness requests other than those that he was going to call anyway. The full list of GOP witnesses includes Hunter Biden, Devon Archer, Alexandra Chalupa, Tim Morrison, David Hale, Kurt Volker, Nellie Ohr, and "the whistle-blower"Lord Voldemort he who shall not be named even though we all know who he is already. Volker and Morrison were only there because Schiff had already requested them.
Lmao what would be the point in summoning Hunter Biden and Devon Archer?
Either way it’s a stupid argument. Democrats cant interview senior White House officials because the White House has blocked them from testifying. It goes both ways.
Lmao what would be the point in summoning Hunter Biden and Devon Archer?
Because this whole bag of shenanigans goes back to Creepy Uncle Joe getting Jr. and his business partner some cushy gigs.
Democrats cant interview senior White House officials because the White House has blocked them from testifying.
There's a big difference between one of the other branches of government invoking privilege and the majority party trying to cut the minority party out of the process.
Because this whole bag of shenanigans goes back to Creepy Uncle Joe getting Jr. and his business partner some cushy gigs.
Ask me how I know you’re retarded.
There's a big difference between one of the other branches of government invoking privilege and the majority party trying to cut the minority party out of the process.
AcTuAlLy when my president stretches his power to the constitutional limit that’s a good thing, but when democrats decide not to call three irrelevant witness to the stand it it’s deep state politics 🤣🤣🤣
I don't know about a "deep state," but the hubris displayed by the bureaucrats on parade this week show that they think they're supposed to be in charge instead of the people who actually get elected to office.
We won't see next level cope until the /r/politics and leftypol retards react to the House failing to impeach Trump. Swing district democrats aren't going to risk their seats trying to bail out Schiff and Pelosi.
Yes because this isn't a total slam dunk for Democrats.
I'm listening live right now, every Republican who speaks is using their 5 minutes to say "what about x." They absolutely refuse to ask questions that might be relevant because the fact is that dems are correct. They do it under the guise of this being a farce but that is obvious not the case.
I'm watching the one where the president clearly committed crimes and every person who has testified has agreed that what he did was wrong. Which one are you watching?
I'm watching the one where the democrats are trying to make out like asking a foreign government to investigate corruption is somehow an impeachable offense, where the only relevant evidence indicates nothing illegal happened, and where the morning's testimony "damning testimony" gets shot full of holes in the afternoon on cross examination.
If it's illegal to investigate -- or ask someone else to investigate -- a "possible political rival" then everyone should have some serious questions about people from the previous administration lying to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on members of the campaign of the opposing party's presidential candidate who was an actual political rival.
and where the morning's "damning testimony" gets shot full of holes in the afternoon on cross examination.
The Republicans repeatedly wasted their whole time by yelling at witnesses and asking zero questions. If they did ask questions they were either unrelated (Steele dossier, Obama gave them blankets etc.) Or they interrupted the witnesses when they heard an answer they didn't like.
If it's illegal to investigate -- or ask someone else to investigate -- a "possible political rival" then everyone should have some serious questions about people from the previous administration lying to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on members of the campaign of the opposing party's presidential candidate -- someone who was an actual political rival.
Absolutely classic Republican whataboutism. You clearly have the same NPC programming as the Republicans on that committee.
Holmes joined Sondland and others during the lunch meeting and told investigators Trump was talking so loudly he could hear the president clearly on the ambassador’s phone.
"I then heard President Trump ask, quote, ‘So he’s going to do the investigation?’” Holmes testified. “Ambassador Sondland replied that ‘He’s going to do it,’ adding that President Zelensky will, quote, ‘do anything you ask him to.’"
Holmes said he didn't take notes of the conversation he overheard between Trump and Sondland but remembers it "vividly."
Pressed during the closed-session interview if anyone helped him recall the details, Holmes said, “that wouldn’t have been needed, sir, because, as I said, the event itself was so distinctive that I remember it very clearly.”
Vindman was also present for the entirety of the initial call the whistleblower talked about. Do you realize the people who are testifying are under oath while the republicans trying to spin their words are not? There are quite a few instances of republicans lying during the hearings, but they are not under oath.
Being under oath doesnt mean people dont lie though. Look at the kavanaugh fiasco people lied on both sides. Im taking the centrist route here and not believing hear say
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1 SJCards 2019-11-20
Oh no no no, Snappy! Anti-Evil Operations will see this!
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I've never removed a snappy comment before. Feels wrong
1 chimpan_z 2019-11-20
Repent.
1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-11-20
It was for the good of snappy. Don't want him getting banned again
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
How DARE you assume the bot's gender? It's 2019. Everybody is eating ass.
1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-11-20
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1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
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1 Kat_B0T 2019-11-20
The end of drunpf is now eminent!
1 The_Great_I_Am_Not 2019-11-20
I'm starting a pool on whether he gets banned IRL or just succumbs with health issues first.
1 Kat_B0T 2019-11-20
Did you see his food tester is in critical condition? I have a feeling the end of drunpf is gonna happen, one way or another.
1 -M-o-X- 2019-11-20
The Reagan Dementia defense is definitely in the holster.
1 RIPGeorgeHarrison 2019-11-20
The stress of impeachment hearings will push his blood pressure over the edge and he will have a stroke or heart attack.
1 high_side 2019-11-20
Oh good, now I don't have to read /r/politcs comments sorted by user newness.
1 heretobefriends 2019-11-20
Classic DDFing.
1 Babybear_Dramabear 2019-11-20
Drumpf joke cope
1 Kat_B0T 2019-11-20
I come to r/drama for the cope, but I stay for the seething tbh
1 TrailerParkRide 2019-11-20
dilation is more fun with friends
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-11-20
it was kind of funny for the first couple of years lmao
now just confusing and sad
1 Kat_B0T 2019-11-20
Agreed, these people are very easily manipulated by the media. They unironically think Sonlands presumptions are damning evidence, when it proves absolutely nothing.
1 Ubertroon 2019-11-20
You telling me presumptions don't hold up as evidence?
1 Kat_B0T 2019-11-20
I’m telling you one mans presumptions, especially someone under duress, are simply not fact. Political theater is entertaining, but that’s all it is imo
1 Doctor-Pavel 2019-11-20
he was only under duress because he was caught lying the first two times lmao
1 MG87 2019-11-20
Awwww sweety, I'm sure they will give Trump conjugal visits
1 Kat_B0T 2019-11-20
Well the good news is that after his second term when he is indicted, he likely not be able to get it up anyway. Unless they give boner pills in prison 🤔
1 Doctor-Pavel 2019-11-20
lmao
captain mad(x24) lmao
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-11-20
in b4 the inevitable "no u" response with no punctuation
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-11-20
yes im very mad that the people i dont like keep failing hilariously and not learning
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1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2019-11-20
He'll be fine, Reagan's gotten through worse. But watching the guy in charge of the USA slipping ever deeper into dementia is hilarious and I don't want the drama to go away.
1 Al_Simmons 2019-11-20
If Obama can get away with literal war crimes, Trump is fine.
1 McFluff_TheCrimeCat 2019-11-20
Some relevant sections:
Yes to quid pro quo, bribery, whatever you want to call it.
Squawked in everybody.
WH is hiding the receipts.
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1 GoogMastr 2019-11-20
Quite the opposite
1 IraqiLobster 2019-11-20
Don’t give yourself too much credit
1 wow___justwow 2019-11-20
S E N T I E N T
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-11-20
this will surely be the end of drumpf
1 high_side 2019-11-20
Got em.
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1 RecallRethuglicans 2019-11-20
Drumpf and Pence so we have President Pelosi
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
“I finally called the president, I believe it was on the 9th of September, I can’t find the records and [the State Department] won’t provide them to me, but I believe I just asked him an open-ended question, Mr. Chairman,” Sondland told House Intelligence Committe Chairman Adam Schiff.
Sondland told Schiff that he asked Trump: “What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that. What do you want?”
“It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” Sondland continued. “So I typed out a text to ambassador Taylor and my reason for telling him this was not to defend what the president was saying, not to opine on whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay I’ve gone as far as I can go. This is the final word that I heard from the president the United States.”
https://twitter.com/TimMurtaugh/status/1197183725991333888
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At another point in the hearing, Sondland told the Democrat counsel, “I don’t recall President Trump ever talking to me about any security assistance. Ever.”
https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1197187001075871745
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Sondland continued, “I did not hear directly from President Trump that the aid would be held up until the statement was made. I did not hear those words.”
https://twitter.com/MarkBednar/status/1197208418911752192
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“Did the president ever tell you personally about any preconditions for anything?” Republican counsel Steve Castor asked.
“No,” Sondland responded.
“The president never you told about any preconditions for the aid to be released?” Castor continued.
“No,” Sondland responded.
“The president never told about any preconditions for a White House meeting?” Castor asked.
“Personally, no,” Sondland responded.
https://twitter.com/MarkBednar/status/1197193534283157505
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1 zergling_Lester 2019-11-20
Oh noes Killary is on the scent 😨😰😱
1 istural 2019-11-20
Daddy cope.
1 TehAlpacalypse 2019-11-20
I really like how the sole conservative defense at this point is that trump didn't have a notarized order to commit a crime.
1 wow___justwow 2019-11-20
If quid pro quo is a crime, every politician in the history of earth is guilty.
1 TehAlpacalypse 2019-11-20
Impeachment isnt a criminal proceeding
Making promises != quid pro quo
This is about whether or not he used his authority as pres to investigate a political opponent which unless you're retarded/ddf, he literally admitted to in the released call transcript
2 wow___justwow 2019-11-20
It's about investigating corruption in ukraine, which is a totally benevolent and bipartisan goal.
If Biden didn't want to be investigated for corruption in Ukraine, he probably should have stopped his son from taking millions from an obviously corrupt Ukrainian company. Or recused himself from Ukraine involvement when his son started taking the
bribes83k monthly salary.This impeachment is so backwards, it's laughable.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
😂😂😂
-1 wow___justwow 2019-11-20
Biden insists on investigating corruption in Ukraine: I sleep
Trump insists on investigating corruption in Ukraine: IMPEACH
0 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Trump is only interested because it could make his rival look bad. Nothing benevolent about him.
1 wow___justwow 2019-11-20
Maybe his rival shouldn't have let his son accept millions from an obviously corrupt company if he didn't want to be investigated for it.
But yeah, that's somehow Trump's fault.
1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-11-20
I'm curious, what exactly is the crime that Hunter is suposed to be guilty of here? Last I checked, it's not illegal to get a job, even if it's trading off your dad's name.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Trump didn't ask for the company to be investigated. He asked for the Bidens to be investigated.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
What do you mean "could?" At this point everyone thinks Biden got his crackhead son a cushy job then used his influence to cover for the corrupt company that was doling out his payoff. You can tell even congressional democrats and the media think that's the case, because they've adopted the "no one is allowed to talk about" stance and refuse to broach the subject.
Trumps approval rating has gone up since the hearings started. Support for impeachment is down slightly. If you're actually watching the hearings and not getting it filtered through CNN and the rest of the media I don't know how you could think any of this is working out for the dems. They've been showing the bits they want you to see, but you're missing the parts where the republican cross-examination shreds the case Schiff is trying to build.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Biden never did anything to protect him. The worst that happened was Hunter used his dad's clout to get hired.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
I guess we'll never know since you apparently can't investigate someone if they're running for president, despite the fact that the previous administration was "investigating" the Trump campaign during the last presidential election and the democrats are currently "investigating" Donald Trump, the incumbent republican presidential candidate. Sounds like "rules for thee but not for me."
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Trump wasn't targeted for an investigation, he just so happened to have people in his campaign that were in contact with Russian assets that were targeted. This connection lead to an investigation on his campaign.
Trump literally targeted Biden. He wanted to shoot first and ask questions later and use a foreign state to do it.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
If you believe that you're unironically retarded and should have to sit at the little table with Pizzashill during Thanksgiving dinner.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
If you belive Trump's campaign didn't have contact with Russian assets and that tends to get the FBIs attention you're unironically retarded and should have to join Captain for whatever the Australian equivalent to Thanksgiving is
1 Warbring3r 2019-11-20
Why would it make Biden look bad?
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Well, he literally went fishing for shit that would make Biden look bad. Who else would that potentially look bad for if he caught something? Hillary?
1 Warbring3r 2019-11-20
I think he’s just obsessed with the 2016 elections and believes some crowdstrike conspiracy theory, and right before the call he probably heard Hannity mention Hunter Biden so he threw that in there. I don’t think Trump was playing 14D chess trying to use the aid as leverage but who knows. It’s a rorsach test. If you think Trump is corrupt to the bone, you won’t think he cared about corruption in Ukraine, if you love Trump you’ll think he was doing the right thing, and if you’re in the middle I don’t think this moves the needle one way or the other, especially given impeachment sets the bar so high for bad behavior and this feels like reaching, even if it was a no-no.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Dude, he sent his own lawyer to dig up dirt from the Ukraine at the same time he cut federal funds from them without explaining. None of this is normal.
1 l2llllllllllllllll7 2019-11-20
Do you think you could shill any fucking harder, you fucking kike?
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Hold your tears, nothing will happen to Daddy no matter how obvious it is he is corrupt.
1 MiltonFriedmanisbae1 2019-11-20
Huh.
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
Obama tapped his Campaign's wires. Turn about is fair game.
0 MiltonFriedmanisbae1 2019-11-20
Woah
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Where does it say the president can withhold aid unless they investigate who he wants without going through legislation?
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
Probably in the same place it says a vice president can withhold aid unless a foreign government fires one of their officials without going through legislation.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
He didn't. He threatened the US would cut off aid.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
That is what most people would refer to as a distinction without a difference.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
One does something through their own means and the other threatens the country will do something through the proper process.
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
Sounds like the defense is there is no evidence, which is always the only defense, isn't it?
They don't need another defense if there is no actual evidence of a crime, if there is, I believe everyone would be on board, but...there isn't
1 TehAlpacalypse 2019-11-20
This is his own words, no? This is asking a foreign president to investigate a political rival. This has been released by the White House, it's a fact.
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
Its also asking to investigate corruption, just because he's a political rival doesn't give him immunity
1 chimpan_z 2019-11-20
"corruption" is synonymous with "my political opponents"
1 TehAlpacalypse 2019-11-20
Is corruption in the call? Or the one from April? I didn’t see it. I must have missed when the president cared about Bidens son in the past three years, well before Joe announced his campaign in say April.
1 vampireweekend23 2019-11-20
-Joe Stalin
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
Biden is hardly a "political rival." Creepy Uncle Joe hasn't even locked down the dem nomination yet. I'd like to see Biden win, because having two senile old men trying to out-gaffe the other for eight months seems like it would be good for dramacoin. They're keeping our girl-sniffing ex-VP out of the public eye lately so that he doesn't say anything stupid, like "poor kids are just as smart as white kids," and botch his chances so bad that Crazy Uncle Bernie or the boring cat lady professor end up winning the race.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
The one thing we seem to agree on is Joe Biden is a fucking idiot.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
Great minds think. Sometimes they think alike.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Can you share why you think Trump sent his personal lawyer, someone who doesn't work for the government and therefor not required to keep record of his activity, to Ukraine?
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
If you believed there were career people who were desperately trying to cover their tracks from a massive looting of a country, would you trust those same people to be truthful and actual represent US interests, or their save own necks?
It may be he thought Rudi was the only he could trust to tell him what was really going on.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Trump has been in power for 3 years now. He has already replaced most ambassadors with his own people.
Why would you do the sketchiest shit, like send your own lawyer to talk with foreign states to go off record, to discuss corruption and transparency?
Why did someone who donated millions to Trump, and appointed by him, testify against him today?
The only reason Trump would send a non federal agent to talk with Ukraine was so he could hide the paper trail. If he believed there were "career people who were desperately trying to cover their tracks from a massive looting of a country", then public records were exactly what was needed to expose them.
You are nothing but a boot licker who doesn't care what is done as long as it is done by someone you support.
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
Wow...ad hominem, in place of any actual evidence of any crime, and in the actual testimony by everyone called, no one could actually provide an instance of a quid pro quo or a bribe or whatever new crime they need to invent to desperately cover their own corrupt tracks, for which, in fact, there is plenty of evidence.
Maybe you should reexamine your own diet of boot leather as you shill for the war machine and those that led the looting of Ukraine
Hypocrisy at its finest...lol
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
What does this have to do with a war machine, and what looting are you referring to, exactly?
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
Glad you asked
A Ukrainian MP says a document leaked from the Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General contains claims against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky, as well as Hunter Biden and his partners - who allegedly received $16.5 million for their 'services' - according to Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.
Dubinsky made the claim in a Wednesday press conference, citing materials from an investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.
"Zlochevsky was charged with this new accusation by the Office of the Prosecutor General but the press ignored it," said the MP. "It was issued on November 14."
"The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering," he then said, adding "Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens."
According to Dubinsky, Hunter Biden's income from Burisma is a "link that reveals how money is siphoned [from Ukraine]," and how Biden is just one link in the chain of Zlochevsky's money laundering operation which included politicians from the previous Yanukovich administration who continued their schemes under his successor, President Pyotr Poroshenko.
"We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt," said Dubinsky, adding that "in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds."
Franklin Templeton named
According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the 'family' of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party."
"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 - 2014.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/625831.html
"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach added.
Derkach then demanded "President Zelensky must pick up the phone, dial Trump, ask for help and cooperation in the fight against corruption and fly to Washington. The issue of combating international corruption in Ukraine with the participation of citizens, businessmen and U.S. officials should become a key during the meeting of the two presidents."
I assume you are as concerned about this as you are a phantom crime committed by Trump
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1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
See, here is the thing. You are such a bootlicker that you assume everyone must be.
I have no problem with the Bidens being investigated, and hope justice is found if they are guilty.
You, on the other hand, will defend Trump til the day he dies, even if you think he did something wrong, because you assume it is for the greater good or some bullshit.
I'll give that a read on my break. It's long.
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
Bullshit, if he's guilty, fuck him. But there's no evidence of crime, that's the whole thing. NO EVIDENCE, the charges are made up, non prosecutable and flimsy at best.
The testimony, under oath, by the Dems handpicked witnesses is very clear.
Not only is there no evidence of bribery or whatever, they can't even prove attempted bribery.
You seem like you may want to know the truth instead of just taking a side, so I refer you to the testimony from the only person called who actually spoke to Trump:
“It was a very short abrupt conversation, he was not in a good mood, and he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,’ something to that effect,” Sondland continued. “So I typed out a text to ambassador Taylor and my reason for telling him this was not to defend what the president was saying, not to opine on whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay I’ve gone as far as I can go. This is the final word that I heard from the president the United States.”
https://twitter.com/TimMurtaugh/status/1197183725991333888
At another point in the hearing, Sondland told the Democrat counsel, “I don’t recall President Trump ever talking to me about any security assistance. Ever.”
https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1197187001075871745
Sondland continued, “I did not hear directly from President Trump that the aid would be held up until the statement was made. I did not hear those words.”
https://twitter.com/MarkBednar/status/1197208418911752192
“Did the president ever tell you personally about any preconditions for anything?” Republican counsel Steve Castor asked.
“No,” Sondland responded.
“The president never you told about any preconditions for the aid to be released?” Castor continued.
“No,” Sondland responded.
“The president never told about any preconditions for a White House meeting?” Castor asked.
“Personally, no,” Sondland responded.
https://twitter.com/MarkBednar/status/1197193534283157505
Judge for yourself
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1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
If you understand the context of this, it was after Trump found out about the whistle blower. Of course he is going to say there was no quid pro quo. Why else would he say that unless he was being accused of quid pro quo?
It is in Sondland's opinion, who was appointed by Trump, that there was quid pro quo. He stated that plainly. He said he would have been able to show that clearly if the documents he requested wern't blocked by the White House.
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
But you are ignoring the rest of his testimony--“Did the president ever tell you personally about any preconditions for anything?” Republican counsel Steve Castor asked.
“No,” Sondland responded.
“The president never you told about any preconditions for the aid to be released?” Castor continued.
“No,” Sondland responded.
“The president never told about any preconditions for a White House meeting?” Castor asked.
“Personally, no,” Sondland responded.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
9:37 of Sondland's testimony
This is the thing. If there was a reason other than extortion for holding the aid, we would have heard it. Instead we hear nothing.
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
That doesn't prove extortion, bribery or anything else, the President sets foreign policy, not the Ambassador, intelligence agencies or anyone else, and it is not unusual for delays cancellations or even actual quid pro quo in foreign relations, (see Obama's 400M payment to Iran)
“Did he also mention to me in past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely,” Mulvaney said. “No question about that. But that’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”
What he’s saying is that President Trump was concerned about the historic corruption in Ukraine not at all related to the Bidens or to the Democratic Party — and that’s the primary reason why he delayed sending Ukraine the $400 million.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
It doesn't prove it, it is just ridiculously suspicious and there is no reason to believe he wasn't acting in his own interests until he can provide a reason.
14:16 of Sondland's testimony
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1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Got me
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
You have it backwards, there is no reason to believe a crime was committed until there is evidence of a crime.
You don't investigate a murder typically, until you have a body for instance. And again, the President can set policy however he likes. He doesn't need approval from Congress, ambassadors, unelected bureaucrats or anyone else.
You can say its suspicious, if you like, but that is not evidence of a crime.
In fact, not one witness has produced any testimony or evidence of anything outside the realm of normal politics.
Sorry, but it just isn't there.
Sondland or Vindaman's or anyone else's opinion on how policy should be conducted is completely irrelevant.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
There isn't a body, but there is a smoking gun and witness saying a man carrying a heavy bag was seen walking away from the scene into the White House and when asked if they could see the bag, the White House says, "No."
Absolutely false. There is a specific process that involves communication with congress to withhold funding.
The article goes into detail of the laws, but this is the summary:
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1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
It is usually an informal process re: aid, and that is not the same as setting foreign policy
When a reporter pointed out that Mulvaney was describing a “quid pro quo” in withholding the military aid package, Mulvaney responded, “We do that all the time with foreign policy.”
“We were holding up money at the same for the Northern Triangle Countries [Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador]…so that they would change their policies on immigration,” Mulvaney continued.
However, Mulvaney denied that Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine specifically to pressure the country to conduct investigations into Joe Biden.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
It is written in law and did not comply with the process written in the law.
And yet his only demand was to investigate a single company which Biden's son was affiliated with and a conspiracy that the Ukraine framed Russia's DNC hack, that his own cabinet asserts is unfounded.
Both his demands just so happen to be in his own personal interests.
I will only be satisfied once all documentation is released and clears him. There is no reason to trust him otherwise.
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
Where in the testimony does anyone say at any time that there was a demand?
The only person that actually spoke to the President, Sondland, explicitly testified that he was never told at any time by Trump that there were any conditions attached to the meeting, or the aid
No one else actually spoke to Trump, none of the other "witnesses" or the "whistleblower" spoke to Trump at any time, so what is your evidence?
The investigation you referenced is part of Durham's ongoing investigation into 2016, and is well within legal limits to investigate.
Biden himself was on video threatening to withold aid if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma, the actual evidence is on video, which we have all seen, so was that a violation also? It certainly meets the definition of a quid pro quo, and unlike Trump, he is on video bragging about it!
That's an easy one if you really care about the abject corruption surrounding Ukraine.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Well, you yourself have said the aid was withheld to pressure Ukraine into doing what Trump wanted.
9:00 Sondland's testimony
If you want to throw Giuliani under the bus, fine.
What happened to needing a body first? No one in US intelligence thinks Ukraine did it.
This is a lie. One of the reasons Viktor Shokin was outsted was BECAUSE he was not putting effort into investigating Burisma.
No, because he did it publicly which means he would have gone through the legal process, instead of doing it in private and then breaking the legal process, like Trump.
Also unlike Trump, Biden wouldn't directly benefit because Shokin wasn't taking taking the Burisma case seriously anyway. He was there for over a year and never made progress on it. Quid pro quo isn't negotiation, it is "benifit me personally, and I'll use my official power to help you".
Like I said before, I'm all for the investigation into Burisma, and if Hunter is found guilty, great. Trump doesn't care otherwise.
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1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
That's no lie, the new improved timeline is a lie, according to the Ukrainians
Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP
KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.
Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.
"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.
He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.
"According to the documents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014]," Derkach said.
"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.
"Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015 was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma. Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a bitch who was fired'," Derkach said.
The timeline of events proves that the U.S. linked the Zlochevsky case to loan guarantees, he said.
After the decree dismissing Shokin was published on April 3, 2016, the governments of the United States and Ukraine signed a loan guarantee agreement worth $1 billion, several months later, on June 3, he said.
"In this case, there are facts should be subject to investigation. There is an agency that has powers to investigate them; the U.S. Department of Justice. If the Ukrainian Prosecutor General signs documents and send them to U.S. Department of Justice without any requests, he will accomplish his mission," he said, adding that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General has such powers.
"Considering international corruption in public is a way-out for President Zelensky. I am certain that he is not involved in international corruption," Derkach said.
It was reported earlier that Derkach publicized correspondence between the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and officers of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. According to publicized correspondence, starting from July 14, 2017, the lists of criminal proceedings undertaken by NABU officers were sent from the electronic mailbox of Polina Chyzh, an assistant to NABU first deputy head Gizo Uglava, to the electronic mailbox of Hanna Yemelianova, a legal specialist of the anti-corruption program of the U.S. Justice Department at U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.
Derkach also said that NABU-leak materials will be published on his Facebook account and materials that he got from investigating journalists have already been passed to Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigations and the Prosecutor's General Office.
He also said he will initiate the creation of an ad hoc parliamentary investigative commission and has already requested launching a criminal case against Ukrainian officials into interference into U.S. elections. The court session is scheduled for October 21, he said.
Burisma Holdings is a Cyprus-registered gas producing company holding assets in Ukraine. It is one of Ukraine's top-three independent gas producers headquartered in Kyiv. Zlochevsky is the founder and the ultimate beneficiary owner of the company.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936-amp.html
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1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
I read that and it lacks details.
Interesting if true, but that is an accusation. It says a few sentences down that the money was paid to a lobbying firm and they believe they then paid Joe Biden. Also, it doesn't mention a time table, which is relevant.
Certainly something that merits digging into.
Unless I am mistaken, this is just lumping all of their salaries together to make it seem like they all got paid 16 million. They don't even imply that it was embezzled or otherwise illegal.
Again, I'm all for the investigation. The Bidens are at least guilty of being unethical and foolish even if they didn't break the law.
Same thing goes for Trump.
1 EdVaguelyJr 2019-11-20
Agreed-cheers
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-11-20
you dont need a defense if youre not actually accused of anything real
1 TehAlpacalypse 2019-11-20
That explains the very well thought out notes our president read defending himself before hopping in a choper
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-11-20
have you not seen his notes before lol theyre always like that
1 TehAlpacalypse 2019-11-20
“The President is normally retarded”
1 MG87 2019-11-20
Cope
1 JohnWoo4 2019-11-20
It's Mueller all over again lol.
1 duckraul2 2019-11-20
It's ambassador sondland time 😎
1 ryry117 2019-11-20
The George Soros Foundationtm would like to thank you for your daily shill on cuc- I mean reddit. 5000 Good Boy Points have been deposited into your Israeli offshore account.
1 Matues49 2019-11-20
lmao
1 nayytay 2019-11-20
The paper underneath is a printed out tweet 😂😂😂
1 TheRootinTootinPutin 2019-11-20
Holy shit lmao
1 nayytay 2019-11-20
How can you not love this man regardless of politics
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
Stupid people watch Television. The Television tells them 🍊👴👎. The more educated can appreciate a good Wrasslin promotion and all the kayfabe that generates.
1 nayytay 2019-11-20
Lmao don’t be a rightoid fag, trump is unironically a dumbass but he’s the most entertaining man we could ever have. Enjoy the drama and ignore the politics
1 Poes_Lawyer_Esq 2019-11-20
Booming the millenials
1 CucksLoveTrump 2019-11-20
Quick reminder that this is all a distraction from Epstein/pizzagate. No one has seen James Alefantis in 3 months. Makes you think
1 Alicesnakebae 2019-11-20
The american people are too retarded to need a distraction
1 CucksLoveTrump 2019-11-20
Sounds like you might know if you'd play better on pasta
1 Kaladin_MemeBlessed 2019-11-20
Did you have a stroke, or did I lose my reading comprehension?
1 CucksLoveTrump 2019-11-20
One part sperm milk one part breast milk drink on earthquake nights?
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
... I...shagged...yer nan, m8?
1 CucksLoveTrump 2019-11-20
ol girl got around
1 Kaladin_MemeBlessed 2019-11-20
Two helpings of bussy as well
1 eva_remastered 2019-11-20
Pretty sure he's quoting Podesta emails
1 Kaladin_MemeBlessed 2019-11-20
imagine knowing those by memory.
**Sounds Like a COPE to me boyo
1 eva_remastered 2019-11-20
this guy wants his pizza related map back
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-11-20
those kids will be in that pool for sure
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2019-11-20
Gee who do I care about. A pervert who’s dead or the President who’s trying to use his office to tilt the election in his favor?
1 CucksLoveTrump 2019-11-20
G L O W
1 Zero5urvivers 2019-11-20
C O P E
1 wow___justwow 2019-11-20
DILATE
1 LightUmbra 2019-11-20
T I T T Y
1 MG87 2019-11-20
JERK
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
PROLAPSE
1 WholesomeDrama 2019-11-20
In
1 simplicity3000 2019-11-20
elections favor the bold
1 Ubertroon 2019-11-20
He should make up some bullshit about the primary front runner having ties to Russia, and start a clandestine investigation
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2019-11-20
Donald Trump tried to sell Vladimir Putin on a real estate project (with a special Vladimir pent house) during his campaign for president, while telling Russia to find Hillary’s emails.
Also his campaign chair was a known relation of Russian intelligence.
And Carter Page.
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
Point your blame at Debbie WashermanSchultz for hiring Imran Awan and his family. 'Twas he who leaked the DNC emails. She also allowed his whole clan to escape back to Pakistan scot-free despite the fact he stole their servers and overcharged half of the Dems congressmen.
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2019-11-20
You are a sub 80-IQ retard. You literally just repeat Redstate bullshit shoveled into your brain. I unironically hate you and wish you would get off the goddamn internet as soon as humanly possible for the good of our species. Repent.
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
Wrong move, bucko. I'm Canadian. My shit does not have odour, and you are a filthy infidel. How does my ass taste?
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2019-11-20
Retarded. Your ass tastes retarded.
And like AIDS. Don’t ask me how I know, but I do. The AIDS is coming out very prominently.
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
Oh yes, the strawman. Last retort of the retarded. Your Mom's bull must be very proud he ain't your father.
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2019-11-20
My mom’s bull could beat up your mom’s bull okay dude. Don’t even start.
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
You started it. I will finish all over your homely face.
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2019-11-20
I doubt you can finish anything. Whether that be that novel you promised yourself you’d get to one day, or that dick that you’ve beaten into permanent remission you fried dopamine receptor degenerate fuck.
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
Why the vitriol?
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
Smh people are already forgetting the name SETH RICH
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
No, he leaked the Podesta emails. Try to keep up.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
My memory for shit that doesn't matter is prestine. Seth worked for the DNC.
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
He did, and he provided Podesta's EMA's to wikeaks. Imran Awan stole the DNC stuff and profited handsomely before heading back to Islambad.
1 ManBearFridge 2019-11-20
I can't tell if we are joking or you are sperging.
1 canad1anbacon 2019-11-20
guys look at this
Trump notes actually say
I WANT NOTHING
I WANT NOTHING
I WANT NO QUID PRO QUO
in Sharpie
This is fucking hilarious
1 McFluff_TheCrimeCat 2019-11-20
And here I thought that was a photoshopped meme...
1 hmunkey 2019-11-20
Is he an actual retarded person?
1 The_White_Light 2019-11-20
No, he just has dementia and hiding it has become very difficult for him lately.
1 haulingtaters 2019-11-20
Cant they just feed him jellybeans like Reagan?
1 high_side 2019-11-20
He makes 1988 Reagan look like Johnny Fucking Cochran.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2019-11-20
If Reagan was able to dodge Iran-Contra then Trump should be able to dodge this. This is Trump's case to lose. Which is a real possibility for him.
1 high_side 2019-11-20
Reagan ended with a feelz > realz address, Trump started with it. I think we're going full circle and Carter us getting his second term.
1 Akula765 2019-11-20
Even at 95 years old, I suspect Jimmy Carter would unironcially win both the Primary and the General election in a landslide.
2 preserved_fish 2019-11-20
Nah, the left would realize that they actually hate him, since he was very religious and a deregulator (which is why Teddy K primaried him as a sitting president).They only like him now because he's been a vocal dove and house builder in his post-presidency.
1 Akula765 2019-11-20
That's what makes it such a fun proposition.
2 preserved_fish 2019-11-20
It would indeed be funny to see anti-Carter posts from Telesur hit the top of arr politics.
1 Captainhook18 2019-11-20
It's similar to how they say they hate Trump because of his unconstitutional proposals and "concentration camps" yet they love FDR.
1 Msmit71 2019-11-20
The brain worms must fill his entire skull
1 The_Live_Ghost 2019-11-20
I think there starving to death
1 Msmit71 2019-11-20
They can just migrate, plenty of fat they could be c,onsuming
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-11-20
At this point hes physically like the boogie man from nightmare before christmas.
1 Msmit71 2019-11-20
Bruh he's been a fat burger for decades
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-11-20
No I mean that hes literally full of worms in that movie
1 reiianisatroll 2019-11-20
This is a certified Donny Trump™ Moment.
1 -M-o-X- 2019-11-20
Why
Why would you need this in your notes
1 WhoopassDiet 2019-11-20
He'd forget of it wasn't written down.
Alternatively, he thought it was such a profound thought, he just had to include it
1 TehAlpacalypse 2019-11-20
As funny as this is to read, imagine how funny it must have been to watch him writing this down
1 bipbopboomed 2019-11-20
pure silence except for the squeak of each stroke
1 seenten 2019-11-20
"Sir, maybe you shouldn't-"
SQUEEEEAK
1 xl200r 2019-11-20
Was probably his advisor
1 FearOfBees 2019-11-20
I write everything down actually. Even things I can easily remember. He's probably mildly ocd like me.
1 toosig513 2019-11-20
Looks like the DDF have found a new level of cope
1 FearOfBees 2019-11-20
But i do actually do that i even categorize my meme folders
1 IHeartCommyMommy 2019-11-20
Yeah, dude is a serial DDF coper. Tbh, the DDF is kind of pissing me off right now, not cause they're rightoids but just because they've already won and they won't just admit Daddy did it.
I'd respect them if they just started screaming "QUID PRO QUO BITCH, YOU CAN'T TO SHIT 2/3 NEEDED IN THE SENATE" and just started kicking up the hornets nest without so much cope.
1 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-20
Honestly this whole thing is just boring at this point. First it was Stormy and Avenatti that were going to take him down, then it was Mueller, then it was thirty other things, now it's some Ukraine shit.
Nothing's going to happen. Either he'll win reelection in 2020 or he won't- that's all that really matters at this point.
Anyone defending him over this Ukraine shit is wasting their time, and anyone attacking him over it is also wasting their time.
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
Brilliant tautology
1 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-20
Tbh there could be a tie I guess.
I didn't really consider that option.
1 WholesomeDrama 2019-11-20
You're better than this sweaty. Do better.
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
You mom tried to off herself because you embarrass her with your coping.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-11-20
You retarded enough to forget something as simple as "I dindu nuffin"?
Even basketballs can improvise that
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-11-20
Even though this is clearly COPE, you're not wrong. He's quoting Sondland's testimony.
1 FearOfBees 2019-11-20
Yeah i mentioned in my other post
1 wwaalleess 2019-11-20
NOW THAT'S
WHAT I CALL
C O P E
VOL. 69420
1 FearOfBees 2019-11-20
https://i.imgur.com/sN0Srbc.jpg
1 wwaalleess 2019-11-20
Did u just nazi frog face me?
1 200iqBigBrain 2019-11-20
Well you're obviously a stable genius
1 MG87 2019-11-20
Cope
1 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-20
Hold up, maybe it's because I'm drunk but I don't see that in the notes.
Where is it?
1 -M-o-X- 2019-11-20
enhance
1 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-20
Thank you
1 MG87 2019-11-20
It's funny because it's not his final word
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1 BIknkbtKitNwniS 2019-11-20
Dude burgers lmao
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-11-20
I do not want to pretend that Daddy doesn't have dementia, but he is reading a quote from Sondland
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
Por que no los dos? I can see it now: How I Didn't Bribe Ukraine by Donald Trump.
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-11-20
https://www.amazon.com/Winners-Arent-Losers-Donald-Hardcover/dp/168418035X
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
That's almost exactly what I had in mind.
1 ComedicSans 2019-11-20
He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and tried to wind back the felonies and thinks that somehow absolves him, lmao.
1 Mayos_side 2019-11-20
What did he mean by this?
1 Sudokublackbelt 2019-11-20
But really I have no idea
1 black_panther_sucks 2019-11-20
Don’t forget the printed tweet he has in the sheet underneath it
1 DepravedMutant 2019-11-20
This is incredible. It's like the lyrics to a punk song.
1 poopoocumcum 2019-11-20
top jej
1 FoidBlaster 2019-11-20
Lmao my fucking sides
1 Burnnoticelover 2019-11-20
Shouldn’t that be in past tense?
1 AFellowCanadianGuy 2019-11-20
Oh man, I hope this guy stays president for life.
Us Canadians will finally have the ultimate comeback to anything an American says
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
Careful, friend. Do not forget that Toronto is still humiliated by the man who showed Trump the way. The Night Mayor literally put TO on the map.
1 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-20
It's nothing new. Who could forget the classic Tom Brady Notes?
1 DefectiveDelfin 2019-11-20
Uhh actually no liberal.
Trump is trolling the media so epicly right now hahhahaha hes doing that to own the leftists. You guys are playing checkers while trump is playing interdimensional catalan.
1 MG87 2019-11-20
Dude writes like a fucking moron
1 diggity_md 2019-11-20
I didn't need to see the name of the poster to know, I just knew
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2019-11-20
McFluff Cat is best Cat.
1 diggity_md 2019-11-20
TBH you need the McFluffs to balance out the Collectijisms
1 McFluff_TheCrimeCat 2019-11-20
Don’t compare me to that smooth brain tyvm.
1 diggity_md 2019-11-20
You're basically the leftoid version of him with even less focus on drama tbh, at least see of his fevered selfposts have drama inside
1 Zero5urvivers 2019-11-20
McFluff can never match Collectijism’s raw unhingedness.
1 WholesomeDrama 2019-11-20
Im pretty sure jism actually drugposts. Mcfluff is just a normie leftoid with enough of a sense of humor to survive here
1 Kaladin_MemeBlessed 2019-11-20
Dilate
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-11-20
Collectijism is wayyy more retarded and even to pretend to be more retarded than he is kn top of that. Mcfluff is just another boring seriousposter.
1 McFluff_TheCrimeCat 2019-11-20
My response
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-11-20
donald trump, by the time he finally dies, will probably have a bigger and more detailed wikipedia entry than the entire country of italy. incredible
1 Woolgun 2019-11-20
I mean it makes sense. He pissed off more people in 4 years than Italians did in the last 400 years. And he doesn't even make sick lasagna to make up for it.
1 WhaIeBones 2019-11-20
He isn’t even part of an axis power yet
1 Al_Simmons 2019-11-20
All that just for being rent free.
1 heretobefriends 2019-11-20
Imagine keeping up with his gaffes in real time when someone is already working on an 8 hour cringe comp.
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-11-20
or even in retrospect, it's exhausting. I mean fuck how does anyone have the attention span for it
1 allendrio 2019-11-20
Narcissists can just keep lying endlessly it comes naturally to them and isnt mentally taxing like it is for normal people.
1 wwaalleess 2019-11-20
Implying pastas deserve any mention on the internet at all
1 Ravensthrowit 2019-11-20
He also used the word “braggadocio” in his testimony lol
1 heretobefriends 2019-11-20
It's a good word.
1 high_side 2019-11-20
Caught some on NPR this morning. The funniest part was that Sondland confirmed that no one in the administration cared about the investigation happening, they just wanted a public announcement of it.
It's Comey 2.0 and takes the wind out of the "president investigating corruption" sails.
1 ObjectiveSuspect 2019-11-20
Agendaposts OUT OUT OUT
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
This is funny shit.
1 forseti911 2019-11-20
Nothing wrong with agendaposts newfag.
1 ObjectiveSuspect 2019-11-20
Shut up faggot.
1 forseti911 2019-11-20
Orange Fan Mad!
1 ObjectiveSuspect 2019-11-20
Post bussy.
1 forseti911 2019-11-20
Here we have a DDFugee pretending that he's one of us
1 ObjectiveSuspect 2019-11-20
why do you think im a fan of Israel boomer
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
Because you are the usual Objective Suspect in these situations.
1 ObjectiveSuspect 2019-11-20
epic reddit moment xD
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
Is this wear I am suppose to post one of those mt Dew and COD memes from 2014/15 that end in an explosion?
1 pepperouchau 2019-11-20
Because you know they're higher IQ than you
1 RIPGeorgeHarrison 2019-11-20
Exactly, why should we have to put up with so much Trump drama agenda posting, when there is so few Terfs vs Tranny, trollX, and menslib posts these days?
1 ObjectiveSuspect 2019-11-20
are you sticking up for foids and soylets
1 RIPGeorgeHarrison 2019-11-20
No my man, I'm just saying it's not fair that we can have a trump agenda like this, when there is hardly ever any non-agenda posts like the above mentioned.
1 ObjectiveSuspect 2019-11-20
the politics ban was the second best thing to ever happen to this sub
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
It is going to be hard with the impeachment hearings going on. Trump is a drama maelstrom.
1 BobTewilliger 2019-11-20
The eternal chapstick won't be denied.
1 ObjectiveSuspect 2019-11-20
I'm being mass downvoted for it too. The cope is real.
1 duckraul2 2019-11-20
I'm not sure if you're serious or not, tranny/menslib/male feminist/foid drama collectively outnumbers daddyposts significantly tbqh
1 RIPGeorgeHarrison 2019-11-20
Lol, I was being sarcastic.
1 FlexualHealing 2019-11-20
74%
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
Anyone notice DDF does not deploy as much or heavy as it use to? I'm not talking about just here, all subs.
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
Their talking points get obliterated every day. They aren't sure what to say beyond the canned orange man bad memes.
1 FearOfBees 2019-11-20
Cope
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
That's another one! Thanks for the quality contribution!
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-11-20
Seethe
1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-11-20
Yes that's exactly what the DDF is doing
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1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-11-20
lmao
1 MG87 2019-11-20
Lol u mad
1 Warbring3r 2019-11-20
Not DDF, but I did actually listen to some of the hearings. All I’ve heard so far is hearsay on top of hearsay about a transcript I read a month ago, changing precisely nobody’s mind. Trump continues to sundown along with his top political opponent and one or two of the second string opponents. God bless America.
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
You did not listen yesterday? There were first hand accounts.
1 Warbring3r 2019-11-20
Yeah but his “big bombshell” was a presumption which he walked back under cross examination. Just... ehhhh
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
Thoughts on Hill and Holmes first hand accounts?
1 Warbring3r 2019-11-20
No, haven’t been following today. QRD?
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
Impeachment is certain at this point. And the big witnesses haven't even been touched yet. Mulvaney and Bolton, under oath, will seal the deal on removal.
1 Warbring3r 2019-11-20
Anything is possible, I guess. I wouldn’t put money on it.
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1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
While usually I would agree. this impeachment thing will be going on for a bit.
1 hmunkey 2019-11-20
Out of material tbh.
1 whyguitar 2019-11-20
I’ve noticed a lot more cryposting about Orange here since the sub changed its rules
1 TruthPains 2019-11-20
Please kiss me like yer nan kisses me, m8
1 whyguitar 2019-11-20
Mmmmmwah
1 BernieMadeoffSanders 2019-11-20
DDF'ing gets you memebanned by tranny jannies
1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-11-20
DDF mad x24 lmao
1 forseti911 2019-11-20
DDF SEETHING
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-11-20
DEATH TO THOSE WHO INSULT MY FATHER FIGURE BY PROXY 😡✊🔪
1 diggity_md 2019-11-20
That's not your bit, faggot
1 forseti911 2019-11-20
I'm doing a public service bitch.
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1 Equities-in-Dallas 2019-11-20
"Sondland was born to a Jewish family[4][5] in Seattle, Washington, the son of Frieda (Piepsch) and Gunther Sondland."
Wow I am shocked.
1 heretobefriends 2019-11-20
The (((highest average IQs))) strike again.
1 blukey5 2019-11-20
Based chosen people BTFOing wh*toids left right and centre
1 FearOfBees 2019-11-20
Looks like sondland is now saying that trump personally said to him that he wants no quid pro quo
1 ItsSugar 2019-11-20
According to your article, it is Trump who is saying that Sondland said that 👀
Lmao, what a literal toddler. They should fire him based on his handwriting alone.
1 FearOfBees 2019-11-20
So it exists or it doesn't? This is such a vague article.
1 Winecell_98 2019-11-20
He's a fucking toddler with dementia who has to scribble his notes, so you realise how stupid defending him is? Are you getting marching orders directly from Putin?
1 lickedTators 2019-11-20
Cope
1 AugustinesBitchBoy 2019-11-20
So now that Trump is officially impeached, how do we get Hillary to her rightful place as supreme ruler of the USA
1 pepperouchau 2019-11-20
>implying it's not Jeb!'s turn
1 CantWakeUpJPG 2019-11-20
Based and guacpilled.
1 BostonBrandToots 2019-11-20
C O P E
1 FearOfBees 2019-11-20
Yeah wtf I saw that I'm coping if this is false but it seems like another never trumper trying to drop trump off a cliff.
1 preserved_fish 2019-11-20
Sondland? He contributed $1m to Trump. That's why he got the job in Ukraine. He's flipping because he doesn't want to go to jail.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
He only donated to Trump after he won the primary, and probably as a means of securing an ambassadorial office, as is tradition. Before that, he was a Jeb! supporter with ties to the Bush family. I don't think Sondland is trying to hurt or help Trump. I think he's a deer in the headlights and has no idea which way he's supposed to go or what he's supposed to say.
1 preserved_fish 2019-11-20
So not exactly a neverTrumper then.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
I think stopped worrying and learned to love the Orange Man (who is bad), but only because he wanted to be an ambassador. I don't think he wants to be involved at this point, and is just trying to keep everyone happy so he doesn't get slapped with charges later and tossed in prison.
1 BostonBrandToots 2019-11-20
"SUNG LIKE A CANARY"
and moonwalked right back like ^ Michael Jackson
https://mobile.twitter.com/breaking911/status/1197233276215349248?s=21
1 lickedTators 2019-11-20
How convenient that a person chosen by Trump for an imcredibly important position can't be trusted to make accurate presumptions.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
COPE
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1 unrulyfarmhand 2019-11-20
I wonder if Trump will stop sucking Hebrew dick now that one has publicly stabbed him in the back
1 Anti-GallowBoob 2019-11-20
TFW you fall for plausible deniability
1 whyguitar 2019-11-20
Can’t wait for the tears in here when he wins again
1 duckraul2 2019-11-20
drink every time the words "chalupa" or "asap rocky" are uttered
1 sidspornaccount 2019-11-20
Uh
1 big_papa_stiffy 2019-11-20
fucking lmao i love how every politics thread here makes the leftys sperg and turn in to literal politics posters
just remember you guys were smugly pretending it was the end like 3 years ago too
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
The walls are closing in. For real. This time. Really.
1 Fortizen 2019-11-20
Really Really
1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-11-20
Trust me this part is not lost on me.
1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-11-20
Reminder to upvote, even if you think someone is being a soyboy faggot or a DDF retard or something.
1 Doctor-Pavel 2019-11-20
I downvoted you because you're a jannie :^)
1 MG87 2019-11-20
Good boye
1 Doctor-Pavel 2019-11-20
give me a treat and post titties
1 The_Reason_Pete_Wins 2019-11-20
As it should be
1 pig_farming 2019-11-20
What's ddf?
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
If you're not watching the hearings yourself you're missing out on some primo comedy. The other day one of these idiots said that hearsay is better than direct evidence with a straight face. Then there was the bit where Schiff probably should have just admitted he knew who the whistleblower was. You've probably already seen the clip of Sondland admitting his testimony was based on his "impression" and not on anything he actually experienced firsthand, because it's been posted multiple times in this thread, but Sondland's not the only who had to admit their testimony was only an "impression" or "clear understanding." Ambassador Taylor had to admit his testimony was based on nothing but his imagination during a cross-examination that sounded like an Abbot and Costello routine.
The look on Schiff's face in that second clip would pair well with the Curb Your Enthusiasm end-credits music. The whole thing's a farce, and I'm wallowing in schadenfreude watching Schiff get wrecked even after he set up the rules to give himself an advantage, won't let the republicans call witnesses, and is constantly interrupting them when they have the floor. If Andy Kaufman were still alive he'd be playing Schiff in SNL skits by now.
1 Chapocel 2019-11-20
If Kaufman were sti alive he be the Secretary of Wrasslin and it would be perfect.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
I bet Jerry Lawler would be his Undersecretary of Piledrivers.
1 Seagebs 2019-11-20
That second link is just Jordan confusing himself on
1 Ravensthrowit 2019-11-20
Lol COPE both Volker and Morrison were witnesses requested by republicans and I believe Sondland was requested by Republicans as well
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
Schiff didn't approve any republican witness requests other than those that he was going to call anyway. The full list of GOP witnesses includes Hunter Biden, Devon Archer, Alexandra Chalupa, Tim Morrison, David Hale, Kurt Volker, Nellie Ohr, and
"the whistle-blower"Lord Voldemorthe who shall not be named even though we all know who he is already. Volker and Morrison were only there because Schiff had already requested them.1 Ravensthrowit 2019-11-20
Lmao what would be the point in summoning Hunter Biden and Devon Archer?
Either way it’s a stupid argument. Democrats cant interview senior White House officials because the White House has blocked them from testifying. It goes both ways.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
Because this whole bag of shenanigans goes back to Creepy Uncle Joe getting Jr. and his business partner some cushy gigs.
There's a big difference between one of the other branches of government invoking privilege and the majority party trying to cut the minority party out of the process.
1 Ravensthrowit 2019-11-20
Ask me how I know you’re retarded.
AcTuAlLy when my president stretches his power to the constitutional limit that’s a good thing, but when democrats decide not to call three irrelevant witness to the stand it it’s deep state politics 🤣🤣🤣
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
I don't know about a "deep state," but the hubris displayed by the bureaucrats on parade this week show that they think they're supposed to be in charge instead of the people who actually get elected to office.
1 gunowner63 2019-11-20
This cope is next level.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
We won't see next level cope until the /r/politics and leftypol retards react to the House failing to impeach Trump. Swing district democrats aren't going to risk their seats trying to bail out Schiff and Pelosi.
1 gunowner63 2019-11-20
Yes because this isn't a total slam dunk for Democrats.
I'm listening live right now, every Republican who speaks is using their 5 minutes to say "what about x." They absolutely refuse to ask questions that might be relevant because the fact is that dems are correct. They do it under the guise of this being a farce but that is obvious not the case.
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
We must be watching different hearings.
1 gunowner63 2019-11-20
I'm watching the one where the president clearly committed crimes and every person who has testified has agreed that what he did was wrong. Which one are you watching?
1 jubbergun 2019-11-20
I'm watching the one where the democrats are trying to make out like asking a foreign government to investigate corruption is somehow an impeachable offense, where the only relevant evidence indicates nothing illegal happened, and where the morning's testimony "damning testimony" gets shot full of holes in the afternoon on cross examination.
If it's illegal to investigate -- or ask someone else to investigate -- a "possible political rival" then everyone should have some serious questions about people from the previous administration lying to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on members of the campaign of the opposing party's presidential candidate who was an actual political rival.
1 gunowner63 2019-11-20
How many times does trump say corruption during the famous phone call?
See the "impoundment" section.
The Republicans repeatedly wasted their whole time by yelling at witnesses and asking zero questions. If they did ask questions they were either unrelated (Steele dossier, Obama gave them blankets etc.) Or they interrupted the witnesses when they heard an answer they didn't like.
Absolutely classic Republican whataboutism. You clearly have the same NPC programming as the Republicans on that committee.
1 MG87 2019-11-20
Well the threat of prison rape had that effect
1 ComedicSans 2019-11-20
user reports: 1: Literally said the opposite of what you and daddy-posters said he did. About a meeting, not Aide.
Fentanyl. Not even once.
1 seenten 2019-11-20
DDF isn't even a burger
1 L-o-lPOLITICS 2019-11-20
So not credible
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
Heard the call and not credible? Okay...
1 L-o-lPOLITICS 2019-11-20
Not hearing the call directly. What they remember hearing someone else take a phone call say
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
Holmes heard the call directly, sweaty!
source
1 L-o-lPOLITICS 2019-11-20
Fair enough. I dont trust the credibility of it after people have cried wolf so many times to finish blumpf. Enjoy your friday sweaty 😘
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
Vindman was also present for the entirety of the initial call the whistleblower talked about. Do you realize the people who are testifying are under oath while the republicans trying to spin their words are not? There are quite a few instances of republicans lying during the hearings, but they are not under oath.
1 L-o-lPOLITICS 2019-11-20
Being under oath doesnt mean people dont lie though. Look at the kavanaugh fiasco people lied on both sides. Im taking the centrist route here and not believing hear say
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
You're not being centrist, you're just retarded.
1 L-o-lPOLITICS 2019-11-20
Yikes let’s unpack this sweaty
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
I just did!
1 L-o-lPOLITICS 2019-11-20
Glad we could have this moment together
1 shitpersonality 2019-11-20
I'm always inside you!
1 L-o-lPOLITICS 2019-11-20
I’ll cherish that forever. Thank you
1 Spysix 2019-11-20
ITT:
r-slurs beating themselves raw thinking THIS IS IT! ITS REAL! and not even bother to read the details that don't match the headlines.
Any mention of this and be responded with the equivalent of "ok boomer" DDF.
haha us dramatards are so above those left and right wingers amiright?