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It's always some junior level whore in STEM bitching that she has to "prove herself." DUH you dumb bitch you're junior level and that comes with the territory. Get 20 years in the industry and you can ride on your experience too.
Damore never even said all women couldn’t be in stem. His point was just to choose the best, regardless of gender. I have a female stem in my family and she experienced some sexist BS recently that she handled like a boss. So staying vigilante isn’t a bad thing, but whining about shit when you aren’t at the level of your colleagues isn’t helping anyone.
Sexist stuff happens, but what gets me about 2019 feminists is that everything that happens in a job is because of some sexist reason, when lots of times the person being the asshole is just an asshole to everyone. My experience in the industry is that the assholes are just assholes to everyone in most cases.
Actually, he didn’t even go that far. What he said was women are average motivated by different type of work environment than men. He proposed to introduce pair programming because a lot of women prefer to work as a team.
Sometimes I’d rather listen to music, but what really matters is that my current coworker is riding shotgun googling things for me all day - not off on her own writing code unsupervised.
I can get on board with this, but then feminism forces hires based on gender. If you are hired because you're a female, then it's probably not a good place to be. I'd rather just be hired for other reasons. I'm even ok with being hired because females bring something to the team that the others don't. For instance, I've been hired because they needed someone with social skills to work with sales and marketing people who hate the current developers. I'm ok with that. I'm not ok with being hired just so they can tell TechCrunch they have 35% women. I don't feel that the latter happens often, though. I usually ask for more money than the other developers, so too much for a diversity hire. :D
Yeah, if you’re at a company where it’s known to hire based on diversity quotas, people are just gonna question your abilities until you prove yourself.
I hate all these “look at how diverse our company is” sort of campaigns. I always get put on those too. I always refuse.
In my role, I generally need to work harder to establish credibility
Isn't there already a lot of data from studies that looked into the difference of "perceived effort vs. actual effort" between men and women? AFAIK women tend to overrate their perceived effort compared to men. Saying that you just need to work harder without any metrics is just meaningless feel-truth.
As a woman in STEM 💅🏻 I honestly don’t understand where all these come from. Men in STEM are super easy to walk over. Sometimes too nice for their own good. Of course, there’s gonna be a sexist asshole or two but is that really unique to STEM or even men?
Just think about this logically. Why would any straight man in the right mind be against a bunch of women who are into the same thing? From my experience, most men are enthused to have women on board.
Going into STEM is like putting social aspects of the workplace on easy mode. I always get to decide what to get for lunch. Whenever I don’t want to do something, there’s always someone who volunteers. I don’t think I would have these privileges in other fields where there are a lot of women.
Maybe not assume that men are out to get you and try to be nicer to them. Most people treat you better when you treat them better.
No they are just junior stem grads who have never worked in corporate America and havnt figured out that their belief that they have inherent value is bullshit.
You get this a lot with juniors and new people just out of college. They’ve been told all their life how smart they are and that if you work hard in school you will be smarter then everyone and more successful. So you get women(and men) who think that just because they did really well in school and some internships that they are the best thing since sliced bread and everyone should listen to them.
Reality hits hard and they start feeling insecure since they are basically idiot puppies at the start, and this causes people to lash out and blame their environment.
In my role, I generally need to work harder to establish credibility with my colleagues because I need to compete with the idea that “men have systems-oriented brains, and women have relationships-oriented brains.” It’s exhausting, and despite my success so far in my field, and I know I might actually be more successful in a field where I don’t have to fight the assumption that I am naturally not as good as a man at what I do.
As a man in STEM, i find this is just what everyone has to deal with in STEM because it's a brutal and cold environment where everyone elbows one another, connections are everything, your PhD advisor controls your future, pay is shit, P-Values are God, everyone suffers from imposter syndrome, and sacrificing everything in your life is often seen as a normal thing to do. You think you just have to prove yourself more because you're a woman? Get fucking real.
This is a junior stem grad who hasn’t figured out that no one in stem cares about you and if you aren’t working as hard as everyone else you will be ostracized.
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1 rocinantebabieca 2019-11-20
Islam. Is. Right. About. Women.
1 Kaiser-romulus 2019-11-20
Can’t say this enough
1 15nelsoc 2019-11-20
Mashallah, brother!
1 Lysis10 2019-11-20
It's always some junior level whore in STEM bitching that she has to "prove herself." DUH you dumb bitch you're junior level and that comes with the territory. Get 20 years in the industry and you can ride on your experience too.
1 Kat_B0T 2019-11-20
Damore never even said all women couldn’t be in stem. His point was just to choose the best, regardless of gender. I have a female stem in my family and she experienced some sexist BS recently that she handled like a boss. So staying vigilante isn’t a bad thing, but whining about shit when you aren’t at the level of your colleagues isn’t helping anyone.
1 Lysis10 2019-11-20
Sexist stuff happens, but what gets me about 2019 feminists is that everything that happens in a job is because of some sexist reason, when lots of times the person being the asshole is just an asshole to everyone. My experience in the industry is that the assholes are just assholes to everyone in most cases.
1 HardIsLife 2019-11-20
Actually, he didn’t even go that far. What he said was women are average motivated by different type of work environment than men. He proposed to introduce pair programming because a lot of women prefer to work as a team.
1 Lysis10 2019-11-20
Ew I hated pair programming. I always thought "can I just fucking do my work listening to music instead of having someone hover over me while I work?"
1 HardIsLife 2019-11-20
I loved it when I was junior. Now I would prefer to also put in earbuds in and tune out completely.
1 Brahmasexual 2019-11-20
Sometimes I’d rather listen to music, but what really matters is that my current coworker is riding shotgun googling things for me all day - not off on her own writing code unsupervised.
1 Lysis10 2019-11-20
I make my bitches get me coffee.
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1 HardIsLife 2019-11-20
The main reason we have to prove ourselves and develop imposter syndrome is because of diversity hires.
1 Lysis10 2019-11-20
I can get on board with this, but then feminism forces hires based on gender. If you are hired because you're a female, then it's probably not a good place to be. I'd rather just be hired for other reasons. I'm even ok with being hired because females bring something to the team that the others don't. For instance, I've been hired because they needed someone with social skills to work with sales and marketing people who hate the current developers. I'm ok with that. I'm not ok with being hired just so they can tell TechCrunch they have 35% women. I don't feel that the latter happens often, though. I usually ask for more money than the other developers, so too much for a diversity hire. :D
1 HardIsLife 2019-11-20
Yeah, if you’re at a company where it’s known to hire based on diversity quotas, people are just gonna question your abilities until you prove yourself.
I hate all these “look at how diverse our company is” sort of campaigns. I always get put on those too. I always refuse.
1 ponzishill 2019-11-20
Women are like 50x more likely think standard things everyone goes through are "gendered."
1 newcomer_ts 2019-11-20
That thread is filled up to the brim with "my anecdotal evidence is the only evidence I need" .
1 pvijay187 2019-11-20
Actually women who are successful in STEM never say shit like that
1 sup3r_hero 2019-11-20
True
1 HardIsLife 2019-11-20
Shots fired 🤭
1 HardIsLife 2019-11-20
As a woman in STEM 💅🏻 I honestly don’t understand where all these come from. Men in STEM are super easy to walk over. Sometimes too nice for their own good. Of course, there’s gonna be a sexist asshole or two but is that really unique to STEM or even men?
Just think about this logically. Why would any straight man in the right mind be against a bunch of women who are into the same thing? From my experience, most men are enthused to have women on board.
Going into STEM is like putting social aspects of the workplace on easy mode. I always get to decide what to get for lunch. Whenever I don’t want to do something, there’s always someone who volunteers. I don’t think I would have these privileges in other fields where there are a lot of women.
Maybe not assume that men are out to get you and try to be nicer to them. Most people treat you better when you treat them better.
1 Al_Simmons 2019-11-20
I got a feeling some of those stories in that thread were gender studies graduates larping.
1 istural 2019-11-20
No they are just junior stem grads who have never worked in corporate America and havnt figured out that their belief that they have inherent value is bullshit.
You get this a lot with juniors and new people just out of college. They’ve been told all their life how smart they are and that if you work hard in school you will be smarter then everyone and more successful. So you get women(and men) who think that just because they did really well in school and some internships that they are the best thing since sliced bread and everyone should listen to them.
Reality hits hard and they start feeling insecure since they are basically idiot puppies at the start, and this causes people to lash out and blame their environment.
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1 Ultrashitposter 2019-11-20
As a man in STEM, i find this is just what everyone has to deal with in STEM because it's a brutal and cold environment where everyone elbows one another, connections are everything, your PhD advisor controls your future, pay is shit, P-Values are God, everyone suffers from imposter syndrome, and sacrificing everything in your life is often seen as a normal thing to do. You think you just have to prove yourself more because you're a woman? Get fucking real.
1 istural 2019-11-20
This is a junior stem grad who hasn’t figured out that no one in stem cares about you and if you aren’t working as hard as everyone else you will be ostracized.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2019-11-20
Women are cooperative?