An organized response to the DDF on impeachment.
1 2019-11-28 by professorshillphd
I've seen multiple rightoids within the last few days make the claim Sondland testified he had no proof the pressuring of Ukraine came from the president, and focusing on the "premsumption" part.
This is of course, absurd, because the president directed them to work with Giuliani.
If you work for the president of the united states and he tells you to "work with my lawyer" it is correct to presume that the things you are doing came directly from the president himself. Which is exactly what Sondland testified:
WASHINGTON — An ambassador at the center of the House impeachment inquiry testified on Wednesday that he was following President Trump’s orders, with the full knowledge of other top administration officials, when he pressured the Ukrainians to conduct investigations into Mr. Trump’s political rivals in what he called a clear “quid pro quo.”
Gordon D. Sondland, Mr. Trump’s envoy to the European Union, told the House Intelligence Committee that he reluctantly followed Mr. Trump’s directive. He testified that the president instructed him to work with Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, as he pressured Ukraine to publicly commit to investigating former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and an unsubstantiated theory that Democrats conspired with Kyiv to interfere in the 2016 election.
So constantly harping on the term "premsumption" is not a valid defense of the president.
This brings us to DDF defense #2.
- "he released the aid and said he wanted no quid pro quo during a phone call!!"
He did both of these things after learning of the whistleblower.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/26/us/politics/trump-whistle-blower-complaint-ukraine.html
The revelation could shed light on Mr. Trump’s thinking at two critical points under scrutiny by impeachment investigators: his decision in early September to release $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine and his denial to a key ambassador around the same time that there was a “quid pro quo” with Kyiv. Mr. Trump used the phrase before it had entered the public lexicon in the Ukraine affair.
Mr. Trump faced bipartisan pressure from Congress when he released the aid. But the new timing detail shows that he was also aware at the time that the whistle-blower had accused him of wrongdoing in withholding the aid and in his broader campaign to pressure Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to conduct investigations that could benefit Mr. Trump’s re-election chances.
You don't get points for releasing the aid and saying "no quid pro quo" after you get caught in the act. Attempted crime is still crime.
Be smarter DDF, you aren't even challenging anymore.
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1 BussyShillBot 2019-11-28
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1 PraisePerun 2019-11-28
I wonder even bother starting to read the post, downvoted.
1 QuadNarca 2019-11-28
Ok boomer.
1 princess_y_fronts 2019-11-28
Would you say this is exactly like all the previous other nothing burgers or is this new type of nothing burger ?
1 Kat_B0T 2019-11-28
End of drunpf 3, where he fights the Russians, was better
3 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-28
Season 4 of Drumpf Is Finished: The Walls Are Closing In is just stale at this point. Shit's gotten too repetitive.
1 EyeseeFN 2019-11-28
Pizza is /r/drama's version of DesTiny.
1 clubby789 2019-11-28
Unless the DDF mobilise against the government this whole impeachment process is pretty 😪😪
1 seshfan2 2019-11-28
The only thing the DDF is "mobilizing" on is their mobility scooters.
1 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-28
Already told you twice now to stop posting pictures of me on the internet.
1 Seattle_Bussy_Lmao 2019-11-28
Trying too hard.
1 Ted_UtteredBoast 2019-11-28
Cope
1 WeWuzKANG5 2019-11-28
Coping and seething over this failure of an impeachment.
1 Kaiser-romulus 2019-11-28
I’m not gonna listen to a kid diddler.
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2019-11-28
Implying anything other than public opinion and the amount of the makeup of the house and Senate matter in impeachment.
1 diggity_md 2019-11-28
I'm not reading all that.
1 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-28
Why does anyone even give a shit about the little details like whatever the fuck Sondland said or whatever?
At the end of the day he's not going to be removed in the senate, so all this screeching between leftoids and the DDF is meaningless retardation.
This will have the same outcome as the Mueller report- nothing- and the spergs will move onto the next big thing Rachel Maddow tells them to care about.
It's all gotten so tiresome and repetitive.
1 professorshillphd 2019-11-28
The senate won't remove him. This is about getting it on record that Donald Trump broke the law and is corrupt and then getting it on the record that Republicans defended him.
It's about precedent - not letting a president blatantly break the law with no backlash.
And in a few years when Trumptards are pretending they never supported Trump, we can look back to this.
1 Giulio-Cesare 2019-11-28
The precedence is irrelevant in American politics.
No one will care. You're pizza, but you're also not dumb. You know this.