Virginity isn’t real. Think of all the experiences you haven’t had in your life. How many foods you’ve never tasted, how many songs you’ve never heard, how many places you’ve never visited, how many many many holes exist in the world that you’ve never stuck your dick in. Why does this one experience carry so much weight and shame? (I’m not saying it doesn’t, I’m saying it shouldn’t.)
How can you even be virgin shamed? No one knows unless you tell them. That's like complaining that everyone keeps making fun of your foot fetish. Like idk Carl maybe stop bringing it up in conversation then?
Women figured this out ages ago. If Tiffany can say she's pure even though her friends constantly see her leaving the bar with a different guy then you can say you're getting it on the regular even though no one has seen you talk with an unrelated female for more than 2 minutes at once.
Reminds me of a super feminist chick I went to university with, very attractive, started going out with the universally hated 6 foot 3 bar bouncer with a top-knot.
Um OK sweaty I might have "little money" and live a "destitute" life, but I am not a poor. The Poors are awful, bigoted people who hate employers and are only held by back their bad attitude. I also heard they were going to shoot up movie theaters after that pro-poors movie "the Joker" came out. Really it's more of a culture and it's one I do not identify with!
Sadly no, they are all emasculated men. There are a few women on the mod team and those who post regularly to keep them in line if they ever try to grow a spine.
You know, I'm not really sure how to feel about incels in general. I'm not gonna shit on these guys for being incels, but at the same time it doesn't change the fact that it is in some sense revealing. Women tend to find certain traits attractive, such as confidence, assertiveness, humor, and a lot of things that would be considered generally masculine.
If these guys aren't able to get laid than that implies they're lacking these things, and the only way to get them is to abandon their ideology that tells them that masculinity is inherently bad (I understand that they would say they only hate toxic masculinity, however, what they consider to be 'toxic masculinity' more or less accounts for anything considered masculine. Their 'redefinition' of masculinity is little more than a rhetorical slight of hand, just take immassculine concepts, call them masculine, and collectively pretend to believe it).
Back on point, this general sense of emasculated behavior is something I've noticed that runs through all incel communities, not just ones like r/menslib. The more bitter and angry ones on the surface have a sense of aggressive masculinity, but it's pretty obvious that it's an over compensation and the aggressive behavior is only able to exist behind the safety of a keyboard.
So, how do we get these incels to actually embrace a virtuous and productive masculinity? I understand that it'll probably be different for menslibbers as opposed to the more traditional incels, but both need to do that if they want to stop being incels
Say what you will about the red pill freaks, at least they channelled their anger into actually trying to get women. Incels are the worst of both world, too angry and they give up.
The joke is that this November your vote counts exactly as much as a senile retiree whose political sources are nestled between a thread of gay furry porn and a thread of kids wearing swimsuits.
Masculinity has very much been wrapped up in heterosexuality and possession of women. These things can be partially claimed by a man through attracting and having sex with women; sexual debut and continually having sex is seen as a claim on manhood. Manhood is also wrapped up in ability and potency. Virginity, then, is associated with failure to "be a man", because by not having had sex (plus the assumption that a man does de facto want sex with women), it shows the virgin as being unable to get women, and therefore he cannot perform and claim that masculinity as well. Insofar as a masculinity is still tied up in heteronormativity, then, we would expect social spaces hosting that kind of masculinity to be belittling of virgins and virginity status.
Can we add that to SnapshillBot's pasta collection?
I will never understand why these people think men want to have sex for the sole purpose of affirming their masculinity. When I was a virgin, which was when I was 8, I didn't give a shit about being a real man, I just wanted to put my penis in girls because some of them are hot and being a virgin meant that I hadn't achieved something I wanted to do.
I will never understand why these people think men want to have sex for the sole purpose of affirming their masculinity
It makes sense to a degree. It's probably a largely subconscious motivator, but considering women are the mate selectors when it comes to sex that means being chosen by a woman implies some sense of merit and/or value as, put simply, you best the competition.
This kind of goes back to the idea of men treating women like prizes. They can criticize it all they want, but it's not gonna stop until women stop treating men like competitors.
Yeah, I agree there is some truth to the idea that it works as a subconscious motivator even though I never want to admit I have ever been influenced by society. I just don't think you're ever going to fix the incel problem by trying to redefine what it means to be a man because it's defined by what men want. Your point about women being treated like prizes is really good. A lot of boring feminist stuff about objectifying women would make a lot more sense if it was women being objectives and not objects.
A lot of boring feminist stuff about objectifying women would make a lot more sense if it was women being objectives and not objects.
That is a fucking amazing way to put it. From Tinder to meeting at the bars to just falling for a friend, 98% of the time the dynamic is the man has the goal of getting the woman to go out with or fuck him. The man persues, the women chooses yes or no.
I'm not against this dynamic, either. I just wish we could talk openly about it.
we're animals. our sole purpose is to fuck. My fellow incels on menslib are trying to convince themselves we can redefine 2 million years of human evolution.
And yet our genetics are so diluted after 10 generations we may as well not have existed in the first place...being only biological robots marching forward without the ability to change our nature...spinning madly in the void of nothingness
You’re just denying your purpose though. Maybe there is a greater objective, maybe not, but navel gazing won’t change the fact that you were born to procreate. You can try to reject that purpose, but your body will always have it.
A the entire thread shows, it's also about a value judgement. A lot of these male feminists have been consistently judged to be so inferior that their genes aren't worth passing on by the type of women they consider to be highly attractive.
Dude, it boggles the mind. Like, do they ever stop and think "I have these ideological beliefs built around trying to convince everyone that being emasculated is actually masculine, could this have something to do with why women don't find me attractive?". It just blows my mind how they're so close yet so lost. It's like they're 200 feet from being out of the forrest but still have no idea which direction they need to be going.
Like, exactly man. Not all merit is tied up in being considered attractive to women, but being considered attractive to women is almost universally caused by having some type of particular merit. Sometimes it's just being born lucky and having good looks or being tall or coming from money, but most of the times it's largely to do with things you can control.
Unironically the best part about being a man is that certain types of self-improvement will make you more attractive, the same can't really be said of the opposite.
None of them are willing to name the foid. They're the cause of >50% of the stigma surrounding virginity. Why do you think their go to insult/retort is calling men virgins/incels? And moids being honest about their virginity is one of the best ways to stay a virgin. Most moids are used to being mocked by other moids (especially these types) so they're at least somewhat immunized to it. But they are deathly afraid of being insulted by women.
The same women who are dead against objectification of women and slut-shaming use "incel" as their first insult, and it will never stop being funny to me. The entire act of using that as an insult combines treating women as achievements and/or sets of holes, with shaming people for their sexual history.
Usually in cases like this, people will say "[group] says [thing] and also [contradictory thing]", but it'll be different people within that group. In this case though, it is literally the exact same people. I have seen these things done by the same person within minutes of each other on multiple occasions, because "incel" and "virgin" are the first insults they use in any kind of conflict 90% of the time.
And remember: Fuckers aren't cooler than non-fuckers. Donald Trump has fucked a lot and he's a fucking dickwad. The sex doesn't change you so until you get around to the sex look at ways you can improve yourself so you're as awesome a dude as possible when the sex happens.
tbh I would never vote for someone who was a virgin. How can you run a country if you can't even run that cunt, see?
Holy shit that is literally a depressed incel thread, except every five lines of text they have to interject with “not an incel” or “hate those redpilled incels”.
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5 Peetrius 2020-01-10
There it is!
1 sobratonix 2020-01-10
I read that as "How many foids you’ve never tasted"
4 freet0 2020-01-10
How can you even be virgin shamed? No one knows unless you tell them. That's like complaining that everyone keeps making fun of your foot fetish. Like idk Carl maybe stop bringing it up in conversation then?
Women figured this out ages ago. If Tiffany can say she's pure even though her friends constantly see her leaving the bar with a different guy then you can say you're getting it on the regular even though no one has seen you talk with an unrelated female for more than 2 minutes at once.
Lies are the fabric that holds society together.
2 Tzar-Romulus 2020-01-10
Men have too high of morals. It troubles them to lie.
1 forseti911 2020-01-10
We all know that this is false considering that lying to get pussy is a classic strategy employed by men worldwide.
If you're socially retarded enough to parade your v-card you already have major issues.
3 I_will_bum_your_mum 2020-01-10
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
1 gandhitheblue 2020-01-10
Reminds me of a super feminist chick I went to university with, very attractive, started going out with the universally hated 6 foot 3 bar bouncer with a top-knot.
3 NumerousEvent 2020-01-10
Oh, there is so much gold.
😆😂🤣
3 closedshop 2020-01-10
Soon to be 23 year old virgin. AMA
5 cumsocket 2020-01-10
have sex incel
1 closedshop 2020-01-10
Took your advice and am no longer a virgin. Thanks.
1 cumsocket 2020-01-10
hope it didn't hurt
2 black_panther_sucks 2020-01-10
Present me your bussy and you won’t be a virgin much longer
2 zerostile 2020-01-10
These are the dorkiest, most pathetic examples of men I've ever seen.
I love it, these are some of the people you compete with for things: just makes life a little easier.
2 DidntAsked 2020-01-10
Being a virgin is a symptom of being a menslibber.
2 Feanorfanclub 2020-01-10
Objectively wrong dumb dumb
5 capnfappin 2020-01-10
They forgot about gender identity
4 Jeb4Pres2020 2020-01-10
Like poor, which describes not having any money. You would think they wouldn't forget that one.
2 freet0 2020-01-10
Um OK sweaty I might have "little money" and live a "destitute" life, but I am not a poor. The Poors are awful, bigoted people who hate employers and are only held by back their bad attitude. I also heard they were going to shoot up movie theaters after that pro-poors movie "the Joker" came out. Really it's more of a culture and it's one I do not identify with!
3 black_panther_sucks 2020-01-10
Hopeless is another one, which they also frequently experience
1 Dramabanevader 2020-01-10
Atheist = to not have belief in God
Philistine = to not have appreciation for art
Weak = to not have strength
Cowardly = to not have bravery
Poor = to not have money
Naked = to not have clothes
r/menslibber = to not have dignity
2 DangerNut 2020-01-10
These are cat ladies larping as men right? Is that the joke?
2 DeathBahamutXXX 2020-01-10
Sadly no, they are all emasculated men. There are a few women on the mod team and those who post regularly to keep them in line if they ever try to grow a spine.
2 IHeartCommyMommy 2020-01-10
You know, I'm not really sure how to feel about incels in general. I'm not gonna shit on these guys for being incels, but at the same time it doesn't change the fact that it is in some sense revealing. Women tend to find certain traits attractive, such as confidence, assertiveness, humor, and a lot of things that would be considered generally masculine.
If these guys aren't able to get laid than that implies they're lacking these things, and the only way to get them is to abandon their ideology that tells them that masculinity is inherently bad (I understand that they would say they only hate toxic masculinity, however, what they consider to be 'toxic masculinity' more or less accounts for anything considered masculine. Their 'redefinition' of masculinity is little more than a rhetorical slight of hand, just take immassculine concepts, call them masculine, and collectively pretend to believe it).
Back on point, this general sense of emasculated behavior is something I've noticed that runs through all incel communities, not just ones like r/menslib. The more bitter and angry ones on the surface have a sense of aggressive masculinity, but it's pretty obvious that it's an over compensation and the aggressive behavior is only able to exist behind the safety of a keyboard.
So, how do we get these incels to actually embrace a virtuous and productive masculinity? I understand that it'll probably be different for menslibbers as opposed to the more traditional incels, but both need to do that if they want to stop being incels
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1 IHeartCommyMommy 2020-01-10
Keep talking like that and I'mma make you call me daddy, lpb 😤😤😤
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1 gandhitheblue 2020-01-10
Say what you will about the red pill freaks, at least they channelled their anger into actually trying to get women. Incels are the worst of both world, too angry and they give up.
2 69733348 2020-01-10
I bet if someone decides to let him near an orifice he wouldn’t be able to get it up 😂
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1 Alicesnakebae 2020-01-10
I may be a 40 year old virgin but at least I'm not an incel
5 Frostfright 2020-01-10
You just know there are redditors out there who unironically think the same thing.
1 realwhoopiegoldberg3 2020-01-10
Huh it always seems the people who are against virgin shaming happen to be virgins... makes you think
4 Tzar-Romulus 2020-01-10
Maybe they should..............have sex? 😌
1 GaysianSupremacist 2020-01-10
Can we add that to SnapshillBot's pasta collection?
4 capnfappin 2020-01-10
I will never understand why these people think men want to have sex for the sole purpose of affirming their masculinity. When I was a virgin, which was when I was 8, I didn't give a shit about being a real man, I just wanted to put my penis in girls because some of them are hot and being a virgin meant that I hadn't achieved something I wanted to do.
6 IHeartCommyMommy 2020-01-10
It makes sense to a degree. It's probably a largely subconscious motivator, but considering women are the mate selectors when it comes to sex that means being chosen by a woman implies some sense of merit and/or value as, put simply, you best the competition.
This kind of goes back to the idea of men treating women like prizes. They can criticize it all they want, but it's not gonna stop until women stop treating men like competitors.
4 capnfappin 2020-01-10
Yeah, I agree there is some truth to the idea that it works as a subconscious motivator even though I never want to admit I have ever been influenced by society. I just don't think you're ever going to fix the incel problem by trying to redefine what it means to be a man because it's defined by what men want. Your point about women being treated like prizes is really good. A lot of boring feminist stuff about objectifying women would make a lot more sense if it was women being objectives and not objects.
4 IHeartCommyMommy 2020-01-10
That is a fucking amazing way to put it. From Tinder to meeting at the bars to just falling for a friend, 98% of the time the dynamic is the man has the goal of getting the woman to go out with or fuck him. The man persues, the women chooses yes or no.
I'm not against this dynamic, either. I just wish we could talk openly about it.
2 GaysianSupremacist 2020-01-10
Sex and sexual desires are socially constructed patriarchal concepts that makes men subconsciously oppressing womyn, sweaty.
3 no_maps_no_plans 2020-01-10
we're animals. our sole purpose is to fuck. My fellow incels on menslib are trying to convince themselves we can redefine 2 million years of human evolution.
1 GaysianSupremacist 2020-01-10
Evolution doesn't affect the organ inside our skull. Stop spreading alt right propaganda.
1 colormebadorange 2020-01-10
Then why do ppl wanna fuck so bad?
1 gandhitheblue 2020-01-10
And yet our genetics are so diluted after 10 generations we may as well not have existed in the first place...being only biological robots marching forward without the ability to change our nature...spinning madly in the void of nothingness
1 colormebadorange 2020-01-10
You’re just denying your purpose though. Maybe there is a greater objective, maybe not, but navel gazing won’t change the fact that you were born to procreate. You can try to reject that purpose, but your body will always have it.
1 BigFatGamerNuts 2020-01-10
Nigga, sometimes fucking your hand gets a little old
4 lickedTators 2020-01-10
That's called being brainwashed by the patriarchy. They get you early and you never even notice.
2 capnfappin 2020-01-10
Im happy I didn't get raped by a male feminist as a kid
5 Platycel 2020-01-10
You were safe, male feminists are only interested in raping women.
2 katzen_kratzen 2020-01-10
Explain Dr. Pizza
1 thowaway_throwaway 2020-01-10
It's also not just about "affirming masculinity".
A the entire thread shows, it's also about a value judgement. A lot of these male feminists have been consistently judged to be so inferior that their genes aren't worth passing on by the type of women they consider to be highly attractive.
1 fuckedupridiculant 2020-01-10
I guess he doesn't know that girls also go through that desperate race to stop being virgins when they're teenagers.
1 HansaHool 2020-01-10
At this point i'm pretty sure these are trollX users cosplaying as moids.
5 freet0 2020-01-10
I see you think trollx users are female, that's interesting
3 automatic_cluck 2020-01-10
Troids cosplaying as moids???
wtf🤔🤔🤔🤔
2 HansaHool 2020-01-10
Jewatry
1 colormebadorange 2020-01-10
Fellow (((dudes)))
1 blastiff2 2020-01-10
Who's cosplaying? There were at least a dozen "I'm a woman so let me womansplain this to you" posts in there.
1 NumerousEvent 2020-01-10
So close to self-awareness.
4 IHeartCommyMommy 2020-01-10
Dude, it boggles the mind. Like, do they ever stop and think "I have these ideological beliefs built around trying to convince everyone that being emasculated is actually masculine, could this have something to do with why women don't find me attractive?". It just blows my mind how they're so close yet so lost. It's like they're 200 feet from being out of the forrest but still have no idea which direction they need to be going.
3 NumerousEvent 2020-01-10
The follow-ups are great too. One guy even spells out the correct reasoning:
Except he then backpedals, because of course they are the pure ones and everyone else is bad.
3 IHeartCommyMommy 2020-01-10
Like, exactly man. Not all merit is tied up in being considered attractive to women, but being considered attractive to women is almost universally caused by having some type of particular merit. Sometimes it's just being born lucky and having good looks or being tall or coming from money, but most of the times it's largely to do with things you can control.
Unironically the best part about being a man is that certain types of self-improvement will make you more attractive, the same can't really be said of the opposite.
2 NumerousEvent 2020-01-10
This poet said it best.
1 somegurk 2020-01-10
good shit
2 freet0 2020-01-10
If I didn't already know the answer it would be impossible to tell if this was from an incels sub or menslib.
3 Platycel 2020-01-10
Are you retarded, pretending, or both?
1 BINGO_U_BETTER_B18 2020-01-10
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3 black_panther_sucks 2020-01-10
This is maximum bespoke 😎
1 Msmit71 2020-01-10
None of them are willing to name the foid. They're the cause of >50% of the stigma surrounding virginity. Why do you think their go to insult/retort is calling men virgins/incels? And moids being honest about their virginity is one of the best ways to stay a virgin. Most moids are used to being mocked by other moids (especially these types) so they're at least somewhat immunized to it. But they are deathly afraid of being insulted by women.
4 I_will_bum_your_mum 2020-01-10
The same women who are dead against objectification of women and slut-shaming use "incel" as their first insult, and it will never stop being funny to me. The entire act of using that as an insult combines treating women as achievements and/or sets of holes, with shaming people for their sexual history.
Usually in cases like this, people will say "[group] says [thing] and also [contradictory thing]", but it'll be different people within that group. In this case though, it is literally the exact same people. I have seen these things done by the same person within minutes of each other on multiple occasions, because "incel" and "virgin" are the first insults they use in any kind of conflict 90% of the time.
3 Tzar-Romulus 2020-01-10
Being insulted by a foid is like being insulted by a child.
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1 DeathBahamutXXX 2020-01-10
If your a straight male and haven’t consensually touched a titty by age 25 the problem lies with you. CMV.
1 gandhitheblue 2020-01-10
Just go to a party, get slightly less drunk than a drunk unattractive girl, bingo
1 SnapagatortheCroc 2020-01-10
I can only hope to teach our BOIS we abandon the anti-avian game of "Duck, Duck, Goose" and replace it with the more teachable "Chad, Chad, Cuck"
1 gandhitheblue 2020-01-10
tbh I would never vote for someone who was a virgin. How can you run a country if you can't even run that cunt, see?
1 MinerHornet 2020-01-10
Ok, Chris Chan.
1 600_lbs_of_sin 2020-01-10
1 600_lbs_of_sin 2020-01-10
ackshually women can detect when a man writes longposts on the internet and they immediately go dryer than the sahara 🐫
1 Mrtheliger 2020-01-10
Pretty sure the top comment is a textbook definition of an incel
1 sobratonix 2020-01-10
How is this pearl missed here?
Like, imagine thinking that someone's insecure because of virgins.
1 contentedserf 2020-01-10
Holy shit that is literally a depressed incel thread, except every five lines of text they have to interject with “not an incel” or “hate those redpilled incels”.