There is huge inequality in the EU. Bulgaria uses horse drawn carts. Poland has abysmally low wages. This goes on. British companies love this. Instead of having mechanised farms for instance, where soft fruits are picked by machinery, there is a plethora of cheap labour to do this.
The knock on impact that refusing to innovate and embrace technology has is astounding. Suddenly you don't need engineers, service center with skills mechanics. Education becomes devalued.
The UK government, any not just the Tories, has systematically ignored this. If you talked about this under Blair and Brown you were labelled a racist.
The governments have done nothing to control the abuse of cheap labour until the Brexit vote. So the choice was made for them.
Next, Europe is great for lots of things but the UK doesn't fit in. It never has. The CAP is a policy designed to keep French farmers in business and economically conquer Africa by ditching products, like powdered milk, at below cost prices. The policy never made any sense for the UK (due to being an island), hence the rebate.
The EU has flawed with the implementation of a worrying amount of legislation.
It took the EU until August 2017, after the Brexit vote, to make it illegal to hire people in places like Poland and Bulgaria then send them to work in places like France, Germany and the UK at far below minimum wage on those countries. However it was legal as it was only "short term temporary relocation".
As an expansion here, it's legal for companies to label a product as have specific %ages of ingredients and then "tailor" it for the local market. Birdseye, and every other manufacturer, has different fish/meat content of prepared food for markets like Germany Vs Czechia and Bulgaria. Ever wondered how Dove soap can be so much cheaper across the EU? It's marketed as through its make for France, Germany and the UK and made as though it's for Romania.
Then there's the hilariousness of being unable to eject a member. Luxemburg steals about €4k of tax revenue per EU citizen a year. A country of < 500k people, including foreign workers. They have a huge history of blocking change, with even Juncker himself blocking legislation.
The concept of the EU is great. The current implementation is absolutely awful.
Leaving is stupid.
Staying without serious reform is also equally stupid. And the latter is not an option as the club has grown too big too quickly.
To be 100% clear, Farage and co are shit mongering thundercunts. They have only polarised and divided people on what is an incredibly complex topic.
Edits: formatting
Edit 2: Yes I have not answered the question about how it will benefit, because right now no one can answer that question. Anyone who tries is a liar. No concrete legislation has passed that can allow you to forsee. Everything now ranges between "bad" and "rather bad". Check back in 10 months.
Edit 3:
For those asking about Luxemburg, here is an EU parliament paper about how special purpose vehicles are used for foreign direct investment. This is how companies like Amazon avoid tax.
All this Brexit stuff is academic anyway if we don't fight climate change, so use Ecosia and pay to plant trees to fight climate change.
Yes I have not answered the question about how it will benefit, because right now no one can answer that question
Not entirely true, not sure if the EU ever passed it but we've had legislation waiting to remove the tax on female sanitary products for years now, I buy a lot of American goods and I like american cars and I expect the price of both to come down soon, what else, there's been talk of FoM between some commonwealth countries, and those are things that'll benefit me personally, the country I think the prioritisation of unskilled EU citizens over skilled outsiders was nuts, being able to negotiate trade deals without going through the commission and 27 other countries will benefit long term, not being subject to A13 etc, I'm not saying it's all going to be roses, but there are some benefits
It's easy to tell the LARPing Burgerfolx if you know anything about Europe or even just a lot about US politics. They think Europe basically works like it's run by the left wing of the Democrats.
/r/iwantout is a hilarious subreddit. It's filled with useless Americans wanting to know how to move to Finland because of Trump.
They are always shocked to learn that foreign countries don't take in high school graduates with no real skills, experience, or qualifications....and can't even speak the local fucking language.
My personal favorite is when Americans think the country is going off a cliff for... doing what many developed/European countries do.
A recent example is the addition of a means test (in the opposite sense as normal) for prospective immigrants.
I don't know that I think it's the right thing to do, but it's hardly unusual. Nations like Australia and the UK literally score applicants using a point system to judge their likely contributions on arrival. One of the things scored is financial means.
I love it when Aussies have the nerve to comment about how America treats people committing illegal entry.
Australia sends boat people to Papua New Guinea camps. They don't give a shit if you are a man, woman, or child...you are getting sent to a jungle camp to disappear. They don't even know how many kids have died.
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1 oss_spy 2020-02-01
The only good comment...
Synopsis:
There is huge inequality in the EU. Bulgaria uses horse drawn carts. Poland has abysmally low wages. This goes on. British companies love this. Instead of having mechanised farms for instance, where soft fruits are picked by machinery, there is a plethora of cheap labour to do this.
The knock on impact that refusing to innovate and embrace technology has is astounding. Suddenly you don't need engineers, service center with skills mechanics. Education becomes devalued.
The UK government, any not just the Tories, has systematically ignored this. If you talked about this under Blair and Brown you were labelled a racist.
The governments have done nothing to control the abuse of cheap labour until the Brexit vote. So the choice was made for them.
Next, Europe is great for lots of things but the UK doesn't fit in. It never has. The CAP is a policy designed to keep French farmers in business and economically conquer Africa by ditching products, like powdered milk, at below cost prices. The policy never made any sense for the UK (due to being an island), hence the rebate.
The EU has flawed with the implementation of a worrying amount of legislation. It took the EU until August 2017, after the Brexit vote, to make it illegal to hire people in places like Poland and Bulgaria then send them to work in places like France, Germany and the UK at far below minimum wage on those countries. However it was legal as it was only "short term temporary relocation".
As an expansion here, it's legal for companies to label a product as have specific %ages of ingredients and then "tailor" it for the local market. Birdseye, and every other manufacturer, has different fish/meat content of prepared food for markets like Germany Vs Czechia and Bulgaria. Ever wondered how Dove soap can be so much cheaper across the EU? It's marketed as through its make for France, Germany and the UK and made as though it's for Romania.
Then there's the hilariousness of being unable to eject a member. Luxemburg steals about €4k of tax revenue per EU citizen a year. A country of < 500k people, including foreign workers. They have a huge history of blocking change, with even Juncker himself blocking legislation.
The concept of the EU is great. The current implementation is absolutely awful.
Leaving is stupid.
Staying without serious reform is also equally stupid. And the latter is not an option as the club has grown too big too quickly.
To be 100% clear, Farage and co are shit mongering thundercunts. They have only polarised and divided people on what is an incredibly complex topic.
Edits: formatting
Edit 2: Yes I have not answered the question about how it will benefit, because right now no one can answer that question. Anyone who tries is a liar. No concrete legislation has passed that can allow you to forsee. Everything now ranges between "bad" and "rather bad". Check back in 10 months.
Edit 3: For those asking about Luxemburg, here is an EU parliament paper about how special purpose vehicles are used for foreign direct investment. This is how companies like Amazon avoid tax.
All this Brexit stuff is academic anyway if we don't fight climate change, so use Ecosia and pay to plant trees to fight climate change.
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1 reubeniv 2020-02-01
Not entirely true, not sure if the EU ever passed it but we've had legislation waiting to remove the tax on female sanitary products for years now, I buy a lot of American goods and I like american cars and I expect the price of both to come down soon, what else, there's been talk of FoM between some commonwealth countries, and those are things that'll benefit me personally, the country I think the prioritisation of unskilled EU citizens over skilled outsiders was nuts, being able to negotiate trade deals without going through the commission and 27 other countries will benefit long term, not being subject to A13 etc, I'm not saying it's all going to be roses, but there are some benefits
1 oss_spy 2020-02-01
I tried reading but that's a big ol sentence
1 reubeniv 2020-02-01
split into bullets if that helps
1 FUCKYOURITALIN 2020-02-01
😴😴😴
1 DangerNut 2020-02-01
99 percent of people in that thread are Americans....
1 forseti911 2020-02-01
To be fair threads concerning American politics are always shit up by Eurofags and other randoms.
1 DangerNut 2020-02-01
I think you mean Americans larping as Europeans.
1 ISO-8859-1 2020-02-01
It's easy to tell the LARPing Burgerfolx if you know anything about Europe or even just a lot about US politics. They think Europe basically works like it's run by the left wing of the Democrats.
1 DangerNut 2020-02-01
/r/iwantout is a hilarious subreddit. It's filled with useless Americans wanting to know how to move to Finland because of Trump.
They are always shocked to learn that foreign countries don't take in high school graduates with no real skills, experience, or qualifications....and can't even speak the local fucking language.
1 ISO-8859-1 2020-02-01
My personal favorite is when Americans think the country is going off a cliff for... doing what many developed/European countries do.
A recent example is the addition of a means test (in the opposite sense as normal) for prospective immigrants.
I don't know that I think it's the right thing to do, but it's hardly unusual. Nations like Australia and the UK literally score applicants using a point system to judge their likely contributions on arrival. One of the things scored is financial means.
1 DangerNut 2020-02-01
I love it when Aussies have the nerve to comment about how America treats people committing illegal entry.
Australia sends boat people to Papua New Guinea camps. They don't give a shit if you are a man, woman, or child...you are getting sent to a jungle camp to disappear. They don't even know how many kids have died.
1 FUCKYOURITALIN 2020-02-01
daily reminder that bongs have a queen that can basically rule the country and has actual dictatorship power
also reminder that they got rid of the monarchy but then voted for the monarchy to get reinstated again
why do we take these people seriously?