You're all gonna be so mad when I definitely finish that Unity game I'm coding in my spare time and I can finally quit this shitty job.

I bet nobody ever tells Toby Fox he has to shower. I can't wait.

Can confirm. Am code monkey.

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I agree with you like imagine being one “OH BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP YIPPE I MADE A NEW ALGORITHM TO PROCESS WHAT A FUCKING LOSER I AM” god they make me fume just thinking about those sons of bitches

I would put 99.9% of the other professions with lower salary first.

"I'm a programmer, but I don't see the point of learning all this math."

70% my CS class says this exact quote while crying

In fucking calc 2 lmao

Calc is not really a CSm focus tbh. Algebra/LA are far more useful.

I took a few CS classes in college (had a completely unrelated major) and I remember one of them was a discrete math/algorithm class that confused the shit out of me at the time.

I'm actually finishing a coding bootcamp in the next three weeks, and I'm starting to get concerned about the lack of any teaching on data structures and constructing algorithms...

I got my first job as a Dev cause I have a masters degree in physics and every Dev shop likes to imagine you have to be real smart and good at maths to do what they do. That was a basic front end Dev job and since then I've worked on tons of different systems in tons of different capacities. Not once in my career have I really had to worry about algorithms or data structures. 99 percent of what you do on the job has been done a hundred times before by people a hundred times smarter and you can just copy.

You don't need to know that stuff to get a web dev job. It's not a dealbreaker for many code roles these days.

Thanks and good to know. Didn't help that an alum of my bootcamp spammed me and all our classmates on linkedin about the ways the school didn't prepare you for those jobs (specifically referring to data structures and algorithms). Though it also seems he was more interested in shilling his youtube channel than actually being helpful.

Went on his LinkedIn page and saw he is currently in a CS Masters degree program so idk wtf he was expecting lol

I mean, do it if you can via an online short course or something. But tbh most practical work in web dev will literally never touch that. Web dev isn't your douche friend's work, though. Sounds like he wants to be a real STEMcel algo programmer or some boring shit like that.

Yeah it seems his last job was purely backend, which might explain some of that. Wouldn't mind learning more at all though, cause I do think we didn't spend enough time with it in the course. Thanks brah

I'm sure he'll find some work with a CS Masters, but data structures and algorithms is really more of a stuff you learn in school thing. It's useful but hardly necessary for a lot of work. I did it with my bachelors degree but I've rarely needed to go back to that stuff in my job.

Awesome, good to know. You bros have eased my mind, thanks

you don't need it but you should learn it

you'll be able to do your job a lot better with a solid understanding of theory, and every once in a while it will impress the sort of people who might pay you more money

Tbh I've never worked with a custom data structure at a job. The data structures provided by default with the standard library (or built into the language) are usually good enough for virtually any purpose. You also rarely need to construct a custom algorithm, like that seems like intensive optimization work, most apps don't really need intensive optimization. And if they do a more senior dev than you is going to be called in to do it lol.

Oh definitely but Lin Alg doesn't cause near as much dramatic meltdowns and is thus an inferior course

M8 LA is for sure harder than Calc. Calc is basically paint by numbers mathematics for engineering manchildren. Fill in the blanks in this lagrangian problem, moron 😎

Wait, what? Linear algebra is a pain in the ass compared to Calc 2.

Yes, but the mathematically challenged (aka r*tards) fail out by that point.

True, will agree. Calc 2 is the mortal wound for people at my school.

It's the breaker of midwits who end up in the stem programs.

You have to actually do all the work, it's not easy, but if you do the work even a dipshit can pass.

But no one with sit for brains ever does, because if they did they'd not be a pea brain to begin with.

Calc 2 and 3 seem so much easier than calc 1. After you understand what a derivative and an integral is, the rest of calculus really isn't that difficult to parse.

That's the problem, these r-slurs don't understand shit, they just learn to move the small number down before the x. Then cry and piss their pants at Calc 2 when you need a basic level of understanding.

Calc II was still mindless plug and chug garbage, its just the plug and chug got much longer and there were 15 different kinds of plug-and-chug as opposed to the 5 in Calc I. Rinse and repeat for Calc III.

The first math class where I actually had to engage my brain in any way as opposed to input time ->memorize formulas -> output test answers was my first proofs class. I unironically think that every STEM major should have to take a intro to real analysis class or a proofs-based "linear algebra done right" class.

a proofs-based "linear algebra done right"

This is show LA is done at mine. Absolute sucker-punch compared to calculus, as your brain has never thought it that way before (even multivariate pales in comparison).

This is Discrete Math at my college. Was actually a very enlightening class for the theory behind combinatorics and other concepts used in algorithms.

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discrete is a big doofus filter

What's funny is, once you adjust to the thought process of discrete mathematics, it's not really that bad. I'd take discrete over LA any day of the week.

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Using code to approximate integrals using increasingly smaller intervals to improve accuracy is a pretty illuminating but basic example

Same as expanding out a Taylor's Series and showing accuracy increasing as you use more terms is pretty easy to code and show the benefit of computers in iterative solutions

Particularly relevant for those everyday CS solutions when you need ln(x) to the 999th decimal place.

Calc sharpens your algebra skills and makes you more comfortable with exponential and logarithmic functions. It’s useful for complexity analysis and machine learning at the very least.

I heard people saying this quote in my fucking Data Structures class. People think they can learn to hecking coderinos and pay zero attention to the basics of data structures or algorithms, and this is how people like Yandere dev come to being.

When was the last time you used an integral in programming?

T. Backpropagation-let

Did they happen 2 use chegg?

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Can't wait for the tech bubble to finally burst and see all that sweet drama on reddit as all those thousands of huge IT companies running for years at a lose will finally close down and the rest will outsource those jobs to third world countries.

What would be the new "learn to code" of the 20s?🤔

What would be the new "learn to code" of the 20s?🤔

Probably "get in line for social security", TBH. Either that or just nothing, since, with the way things are going, soon all that'll be left are jobs in the military, jobs in emergency services, and (maybe) jobs in retail and delivery.

Everything else is gonna be taken up by automation or outsourced to some third world shithole.

soon all that'll be left are jobs in the military, jobs in emergency services, and (maybe) jobs in retail and delivery.

weirdly enough, creative class jobs like design and product management seem like they will be stable in the future, since they can't be automated and require cultural knowledge.

For sure

I keep seeing these videos on youtube of AI-generated music and the snivelling host does a big reveal like "WOW THAT WAS AN AI, GOT YOU, CLEARLY CREATIVITY WILL BE AUTOMATED AWAY!" but it is was obviously an AI because that shìt was formulaic af

Plus I dunno, if creativity is by definition a form of human expression then any AI-based simulacra are by extension automatically meaningless anyway

Because I seriousposted: lol dícks

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Retail and delivery are going away too, they're usually the first ones people talk about going away in the near-term future. Amazon has decimated retail, I only go to stores as an Amazon showroom anymore, and rarely at that. Delivery, as in trucking, will be automated in the near future as well. Last-mile delivery may be replaced by drones in some areas or bottom-of-the-barrel near-unprofitable delivery contracts. Basically the equivalent to pizza delivery or taxi service, not a living wage and no job security.

I felt really bad for this lady who was contracting for the local Amazon delivery service. She was really nice and polite at first, in her mid-20s I'd say, well-groomed, etc. She lasted about 2 months or so. Since then I've had a new middle-eastern guy every couple of weeks. It's not the same though, they're all skin and bone, not even enough meat to fill a 60L cooler.

This could be solved with central planning in a microsecond. It would be the easiest thing in the world. You guys would rather keep on shoveling resources down the trough of billionaires throats until we're all uber eats couriers. God the foolishness of the false consciousness of the citizens of bourgeois countries.

The only reason outsourcing makes any sense at all is literally monetary policy; you don't understand this because you subscribe to neoliberal theories which assume that money is an objective good that has no real influence on the perfect free market. Stupidity. We need communism.

Learn to weld

Robots are coming for that next.

Because structural underemployment is really about a lack of skills in the workforce durrr

If companies needed welders you wouldn't have to learn it, the companies would train welders. They have advertisements out for experienced welders but they're literally just trying to poach their competitors skilled welders, they are not interested in somebody that took a crash course on welding and they aren't going to invest in the resources to train anybody either.

seriousposters will one day be beheaded inshallah

No one is interested training welders cause they can hire one from your local community college. It’s a pretty transient job.

If you want to make a great living welding, you are on pipeline jobs across the country. Living out your truck and in man camps.

Hell ya baw

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lmao

Learn to knot

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Saying there's a "software bubble" is the same as saying there's

Inb4: "NOOOO I'M VALUABLE YOU CANT JUST GIVE MY JOB TO SOME UNSKILLED INDIAN"

Salty plebs have been clinging to this meme for thirty years and yet it's no closer to fruition than it was in the early 2000s. There's a very predictable cycle:

1) idiot middle manager gets sold on offshoring everything to India by some IT consultant

2) company sees short term revenue increase as problems and miscommunication has yet to pile up

3) same middle manager leaves company or is promoted elsewhere

4) offshore team starts to cost as much or more money in the medium term as communication difficulties and poor programming lead to accumulating technical debt and cost overruns

5) person who took over for aforementioned manager eventually has to spend a bunch of money bringing work back onshore

5a) possibly has to hire another (or the same, lol) IT consulting firm to bring the work back

6) a couple years down the line, another middle manager gets a bright idea, rinse and repeat

I'm an IT consultant that literally just had to do this with another IT consulting firm's offshored work. Notice who's benefitting from this entire situation? Do you know what Accenture used to be before becoming Accenture?

Saying there's a "software bubble" is the same as saying there's an "accounting bubble". Most software jobs are in enterprise and B2B. All the software companies that normal consumers are exposed to are really just the tip of the iceberg. Uber could go under, but State Farm, Cigna, AT&T, Ford, etc won't, and that's where most of the work is.

Inb4: "NOOOO I'M VALUABLE YOU CANT JUST GIVE MY JOB TO SOME UNSKILLED INDIAN"

Salty plebs have been clinging to this meme for thirty years and yet it's no closer to fruition than it was in the early 2000s. There's a very predictable cycle:

1) idiot middle manager gets sold on offshoring everything to India by some IT consultant

2) company sees short term revenue increase as problems and miscommunication has yet to pile up

3) same middle manager leaves company or is promoted elsewhere

4) offshore team starts to cost as much or more money in the medium term as communication difficulties and poor programming lead to accumulating technical debt and cost overruns

5) person who took over for aforementioned manager eventually has to spend a bunch of money bringing work back onshore

5a) possibly has to hire another (or the same, lol) IT consulting firm to bring the work back

6) a couple years down the line, another middle manager gets a bright idea, rinse and repeat

I'm an IT consultant that literally just had to do this with another IT consulting firm's offshored work. Notice who's benefitting from this entire situation? Do you know what Accenture used to be before becoming Accenture?

IT consultant

The people who make the real money.

Who needs to be a code monkey when you can just tell people to code shit and get paid double? This is why business analysis skills > all.

Codecels in San Franshithole labor for $200k a year while some finance chad who studied history or ancient greek at Princeton is consulting their job away to India. You love to see it.

tfw you literally just know BPML and shitty business terms but earn more than an Ivy League CS graduate. I count it as a personal honour to be the harbinger of the code monkey's doom 😎

The codemonkey doesn't realise that he is nothing more than the typist or telephone operator of the 21st century. Also, if I have to hear one more "software engineer" discuss """"architecting"""" fucking anything I will make it my mission to personally offshore their job.

I mean, software arch is pretty important if you want your Uber-of-Male-Escorts service to work. But in the end, the real deal is always with management. Besides, cocaine > weed.

Business analysts are literally just parasites

You really think your parasitism can be the entire economy, just a bunch of business analysts figuring out how to cut wages and investment to increase the amount of parasitic dividends sent to investors. What you do adds negative value to the economy, you are a parasites mouth.

^ cuckedbymiddlemanagementcel 😎

"tfw you will never be Elon Musk paying Indians $5 a day to write broken Java for PayPal.com while you sit in your underwear playing Diablo II 15 hours a day and then make millions and get called a genius"

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W O R D S

I was actually asking myself the same thing.

Learn to collect UBI and run your wife’s OnlyFans

Pls no. I literally did l2code via a bootcamp, and I've really been enjoying it

If the bootcamp is actually sorta difficult and by a reputable org then you should be fine.

Learn to salesforce.

Any day now.

With all the 'subtle cs major flex' going on in this thread i expect to see rdrama implode

The work I do, is not really at all relevant to that. My employer needs a domestic workforce close to the customers.

Yeah I can’t wait either, the top of this field is full of queers. What are we doing next

Talking about a tech bubble is peak reddit pseudointellectual nonsense, especially in the sense your talking about.

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Sounds like c()pe to me

Other way around, r*dditors love to think every job exept programming will be automated away in our glorious STEMlord future. In reality programming jobs will go the way of manufacturing. You can't hide from automation and outsourcing forever.

Again this is a statement made by someone with little knowledge of programming and the field in general. Outsourcing sure, this happens all the time with mixed results. Automated programming is so far away right now you might as well be telling people not to buy cars cause they'll be replaced by flying ones soon enough. If this is what bursts the "tech bubble" only people generations down the line should care.

Code monkeys are disgusting

On the other hand OP is SEETHING he got laid off and I.T nerds can work remotely and keep their jobs 😂😂

if OP got laid of because of a code money, OP was a code monkey himself 🤣

“Did you say you were going for bu-business? scoff Um yeah so I’m a PROGRAMMER, I learned Python and C in high school and once I transfer from my local community college I’ll be able to get a job in the biggest emerging market right out of college. I will never fell the touch of a woman”

still not remotely as annoying as new engineers.

Hello, based department?

Don't need women when you'll end up transitioning into one.

Business majors are a parasites

Business is liberal arts

1. Business is not liberal arts

2. Nothing wrong with liberal arts if you’re going for an actual profession like teaching or law

3. Business can get you a great job in sales, finance, management, marketing, etc. It’s an actual major unlike communications or shit like that

I get paid big money to press buttons

OOPSIE WOOPSIE!! Uwu We made a fucky wucky!! A wittle fucko boingo! The code monkeys at our headquarters are working VEWY HAWD to fix this!

Unless you're proficient at x64/x86 asm you're code monkey

change my mind :⁾

I took x86-64 (there is no such thing as x64 tard) in college, it was kind of weird. I think it's one of the only cs programs in the nation that still teaches that shit. You go in the class and one of the first things you learn too is that it's almost entirely useless, takes several times as long, makes no sense to anyone but you, and it's usually actually faster to write shit in C. The only actual uses of x86-64 programming are basically to create custom functions called by other languages to optimize small, critical functions in programs that can occasionally be hand optimized, with a huge amount of work, to be faster than C. You don't actually program apps from ground up with this shit, it wouldn't work. Also there is some low level OS stuff still done in x86-64 because it's difficult to do in C.

Imagine be a non functional.

W-what if you write in a non-x86 based assembly for a living

lol embeddedcel

even worse bro...mainframe assembly....

G-d weeps

C, C++, COBOL, or FORTRAN, anything else is just a webmonkey

Imagine looking at COBOL and not having an aneurysm.

DAW low-level == smart!???

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Pay me to write assembly and I will.

Coding is really easy and pays really well, sucks to me I guess?

Yeah it really sucks having lots of free time and disposable income and no stress at work.

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I did a 2 week bootcamp where's my 6 figures

It never even began for STEMcels.

Inc3l/STEMcel relationship must be nearly 1:1

Actual STEMcels write eye-gouging code, every time I get anxious about job security, I look at PhD code