No time to arrest people. Instead just set up an ambush, get far too close to your target while holding a weapon then shoot the fucker you screw it up. Gee why are people mad? Stupid “”joggers”” lol media bad
yeah man, hold a weapon in a non-menacing fashion, say "hey we want to ask you some questions" then get bum-rushed by an idiot who gets himself shot when he tries to grab your gun. looking forward to the acquittal.
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Yeah if I was running through the hood and a car swerved in front of me and a basketball jumped out with his gun ready, I'd calmly stand still and greet him before asking how I can help him.
? it took them so long to even bring charges against them because the district attorney didn't think there was a case and they had to find one that thought they even had a sliver of a chance to win the case. go watch any actual self-defense attorney talk about this, everyone was an r-slur there, but even if you dont think there's a citizens arrest taking place, the fat rednecks did nothing illegal.
Imagine feeling the need to defend a few good ol boys this bad.
I think the biggest mental disconnect is between those who understand how laws work and those who believe racial motivation supersedes every other precedent.
This is very similar to the Trayvon case. George is an idiot for following him, but Trayvon's choices lead to his death that was easily ruled self defense despite insane meddling from the media.
Rofl, citizens arrest when you chase a guy down in your truck with shotguns and he ends up dead. It's not self-defense when they intentionally put themselves in the way of danger by going after the guy after he had left the scene of the crime. Those fat fucks should have just let the police handle it. Now they're going to rot in prison for negligent homicide.
got any actual legal source for any of that from an attorney that isn't paid by an involved party? i'm honestly curious if you actually have read anything related to the law about this rather than just be mad because you saw something on the news.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
Legal source on what? The fact that a citizens arrest needs to take place at the scene of the crime? It's common sense.
Apart from physical harm, incorrectly making a citizen’s arrest can also have legal consequences. Using excessive force or detaining the suspect in an improper way can lead to criminal charges for the arresting party.
This is not shit you need to be a lawyer to know. I'm mad at having to read comments from r3tards like you, not the garbage from the media.
In most cases, you must find a person either in the act of committing a crime, or escaping from and freshly pursued by persons who have lawful authority to arrest that person, in order to lawfully make a citizen's arrest. In particular, if you are arresting a person for an indictable offence, which is the most serious type of offence and includes violent offences, you can only make the arrest at the time you witness the person committing the offence. It is against the law to arrest a person after any lapse in time for having committed an indictable offence, unless it is relation to your property.
me: there was no citizens arrest
you: WELL THERE WAS ONE
me: do you actually have a source on that
you: HERES ARTICLES ABOUT CITIZENS ARRESTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but hey have fun spending your morning typing paragraphs about a case that was so bad multiple district attorneys decided not to press charges.
I took your first comment as sarcasm, but you're actually admitting to something even more r3tarded. If there was no citizens arrest, then it's clear-cut negligent homicide. Why the fuck would they drive after him with shotguns then? Jesus, you're stupid.
was so bad multiple district attorneys decided not to press charges
Oh, man, the DA's office in some bumfuck Georgia county decided not to press charges against an ex-cop from the county and his son. There's no case!
except it's not even negligent homicide. they may have wanted to conduct some g*y citizens arrest, but they didnt. they didn't actually stop him, he approached them, and the best anyone can do to argue that they falsely imprisoned him is to say the guy filming the thing was in on this hypothetical murder plot too. you're as crazy as q larpers if you think this is going anywhere besides an acquittal. they didn't actually threaten him, they didn't point their guns at him, and he approached them. if you're gonna get this riled up about some shooting in a town no one cared about before this and no one will care about after, at least pick one that's obviously wrong (like that guy who got shot in his car) and doesn't have the guy who got shot slowly jogging up to someone with a gun and starting to attack them.
The video shows their truck stopped in the middle of the road in front of Arbery. Do people normally keep their trucks parked in the middle of the road? Otherwise, it's clear they drove up in front of him. Furthermore, driving after someone, pulling up in front of them in the middle of the road, and exiting the car with a shotgun is incredibly fucking threatening. Any gun-owner would know this, which leads me to believe you don't know fuckall about gun ownership. Any time you are holding a gun, you are fully liable for your actions. Even in clear-cut self-defense situations, there are legal procedures because that's just how fucking serious shooting someone in self-defense is. It's hard to understate just how extraordinary the situation has to be to even pull a gun on someone, let alone a fucking shotgun, in the middle of a county road, upon exiting your vehicle after chasing the other person down in it.
Let me simplify it for you: no gun-owner is going to approach someone with their gun drawn if their intent is to just ask questions.
I'm commenting on this case because so many people have decided to run their mouths off about it, like you and the author of this idiotic story.
Arbery had to run like 30 yards before attacking that fat redneck, really hard for me to wrap my head around the idea of a murder conviction when we have video evidence of self defense.
I don’t think people are saying it was completely justified, just a little unfair how the media is representing it.
They came out with the story that he was jogging and gunned down. They didn’t really release that he was jogging 12 miles away from his home in Nike high top boots with his belt below his waist carrying a hammer. They also didn’t release that he was casing a house before hand or that he was convicted of carrying a gun to a high school basketball game as a 22 yr old (pretty sure it was around there). They also only showed the part of him getting shot, not the moments leading up to it where he was running towards a truck of armed men and then assaulted them, resulting in him getting shot.
I believe a lot of people are upset the way the media portrays white on black crime as this horrendous thing, even though black on white crime is 16x more likely, but somehow never gets reported as it’s against the narrative and isn’t even news worthy anymore, because it’s just the norm. But one ex cop kills a black dude and pretty much tries to blame the white population in America
if you think they murdered him than you would have to prove first degree, that they came there with the intention of killing him. can you?
once a person is grabbing on to your firearm in order to take it from you, second degree murder ceases to be possible. Most you can argue is manslaughter.
No, they forced him to force them to shoot. The actions the jogger took were completely justified.
What the jogger did was self-defense, what they did was murder.
If someone pulls a gun on you, and you attack that person, you are the one acting legally, and if the person that pulled the gun shoots you, he's going to jail.
I think someone could make the case with the trespassing and the hammer and the intent to make a citizens arrest, maybe mistaking being actually within the grounds to do so, still qualifies as "coherent"
I mean by the video he was wearing running shoes and shorts.... No timbs , no hammer unless you have some other super secret video footage of the hammer , timbs, and sagging pants.
I'm not saying what they did was justified at all but there are some key details in this case that are being swept under the rug that I haven't seen anyone bring up. These people were not random strangers. The guy trying to make this "citizens arrest" was an ex-cop. Not only was he an ex-cop but he was an ex-cop who had previously helped convict the jogger for a previous crime. I never heard if he was the arresting officer in the previous crime or if he was just a witness for the prosecution but this wasn't just some random modern day lynching. It's a lot more complex than the outrage would have anyone believe.
Just because there isn't a video of every second of what went on that got put on the internet doesn't mean that there isn't evidence. That's what the trial is for. Jogger is at a disadvantage because he is dead and can't testify but don't act like you or anyone else who wasn't there knows every detail of what went on.
The ex-piggy is definitely a pos raci$t and I don't know what is worthy of a citizen's arrest in those parts but I wouldn't be surprised if they get off. I'm not about to paint the jogger as some sort of saint either though.
If that's really all there is to it then they should probably hang but I'm willing to bet there is more to it than all that. Nobody involved is making statements on twitter because they know to keep their mouths shut until a trial.
No they wouldn't. As soon as they get arrested any decent lawyer would tell them nobody says nothing until the trial and then they can try to spin it however they can. Not going to jail is the objective, not winning over the twitteratti
A good lawyer can spin all kinds of scenarios. I never listened to the 911 call. I'm just hoping some good white boys don't go to prison while the ghost of a black man gets to jog free.
Having a history with the guy doesn't make the ex-cop look better, it makes him look worse. He brought lethal means and created a lethal end to a situation where he tried to become the arbiter of justice.
He didn't get out of the truck because he feared for his life. He didn't try to let actual cops confront the jogger. He didn't have any reason to need to defend himself that wasn't a result of his own unjustifiable actions.
None of the background encounters changes that fact.
It probably will. You notice how none of these guys have said peep since the court of public opinion has decided they should hang? That's what anyone who knows the criminal justice system should do. All we have to go off of are the videos and the initial police report where they let the guys go. They are probably going to walk and they might even have a good reason to walk.
I think they could not go to jail just because they are white and the guy is an ex-cop alone but if they have some additional bs that their top-notch gofundme lawyer can lay on top of that then they might have an even better case.
1) What stolen property was on his person? If the answer is "none", he didn't rob anything.
2) They didn't witness a robbery (by their own admission, he just looked like someone who they'd heard was in an unfinished house), so citizen's arrest wouldn't be valid.
3) Pretend a citizen's arrest was reasonable (hint: it wasn't). Lethal force is limited to self defense. If a private citizen puts themself in a position where they need to defend themselves (like, say, attempting a citizen's arrest for a 'burglary'), they aren't protected when using lethal force.
If a private citizen puts themself in a position where they need to defend themselves (like, say, attempting a citizen's arrest for a 'burglary'), they aren't protected when using lethal force.
Nike high top boots with his belt below his waist carrying a hammer.
The media really did a good job at deep faking the video to look like running shoes. And deep fake his arms held at chest level, not running like he's holding a hammer in place.
It's real common that 2A supporters who love the constitution tuck stolen 38's into their basketball shorts and try to sneak them into basketball games. Ahmaud must have been one of us.
um sweaty why do you have a gun? don't you know this is a gun free zone? sweaty you don't NEED a gun, we can just call the cops if something goes wrong
Well people like Arbery break into houses and cars until they find one.
sweaty you don't NEED a gun, we can just call the cops if something goes wrong
We both know you're being disingenuous about what was essentially going to be a murder weapon. If your gun falls out of your pants while you run, you didn't give a shit about that gun or your rights in the first place.
The main problem was that they weren't arrested for a long time afterwards because the ex-cop has lots of buddies in the justice system. The second DA who got the case was just going to sit on it and side with the shooters, before the huge backlash made him recuse himself.
Except they are not in fact the initial aggressors. Chasing people in a vehicle is not an aggression. Holding guns is not an aggression. You can't see them pointing their guns or hear them issuing threats before the fight breaks out. He ran toward them, he punched first, he's the initial aggressors.
And pretend none of that was aggressive... They're in a car, he's on foot - they were in no fear for their lives until they decided to stop and get out. Self defense justification for lethal force is gone.
Those actions on there own might not be agressive. When you add the context that they were all done together and that a man was stopped by three guys with guns who were chasing him, it becomes an agressive action. Especially with the context that the people admitted they suspected him and were pursuing him. Pursing someone with a car , guns, And friends all at once is an agressive act.
An action doesn't have to be unlawful to be aggressive.
Even without that, they put themselves in a position where they'd need to defend themselves by getting out of the car. That's pretty much the example of how to invalidate your use of lethal force.
Because ultimately if you attack someone and try and steal that someones shotgun, that is 100% a situation that justifies that shotgun being used on you.
Seriously, everyone in this story is a raging id!ot and my only regret is that they did not somehow manage to all shoot each other for the good of the gene pool. THAT is the real tragedy.
I think the shooters deserve to go to jail, but should have their sentences commuted if they promise to turn their lives around and become electricians.
jogging towards the gunmen in order to assault them
So those two poor men just happened to be parked on the side of the road, standing by their truck with guns? Yes, very coincidental. Too bad there isn't a 911 tape of them describing how they're following him.
What is even the point of writing this thing? It does nothing to help clearing up the case, but to further muddy the water and create more talking points for shouting matches.
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Well he was probably looking to snatch something from the site but everything else still holds up. If I see another 'fugee crying about a magic hammer I'm going to go beat my dick off.
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12 somestupidname1 2020-05-26
Having your uncle teach you how to hotwire a car isn't becoming an electrician.
1 RecallRethuglicans 2020-05-26
How is it not?
1 mrv3 2020-05-26
Because it's a car so that'd make you a mechanic, duh.
4 loli_esports 2020-05-26
yeah i go out for a run in my timbs
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2020-05-26
He wasn’t wearing boots and I’ve decided I dislike you.
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
just like there was no citizens' arrest conducted.
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2020-05-26
No time to arrest people. Instead just set up an ambush, get far too close to your target while holding a weapon then shoot the fucker you screw it up. Gee why are people mad? Stupid “”joggers”” lol media bad
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
yeah man, hold a weapon in a non-menacing fashion, say "hey we want to ask you some questions" then get bum-rushed by an idiot who gets himself shot when he tries to grab your gun. looking forward to the acquittal.
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1 jackcaboose 2020-05-26
If some guys come up to me with a weapon and say "I just want to ask you some questions", then I'd assume I'm about to die.
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
too bad for you that open carry is 100% legal if someone isn't brandishing their weapon and it isn't considered intimidation then.
1 jackcaboose 2020-05-26
what's wrong with armed robbery open carrying a hammer
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
nothing, because the thing that got him killed was running at the rednecks and punching one then trying to take the other's gun.
1 GOD_HATES_DORKS 2020-05-26
Yeah if I was running through the hood and a car swerved in front of me and a basketball jumped out with his gun ready, I'd calmly stand still and greet him before asking how I can help him.
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
lol im sure thats why he was able to run up, punch one, then grab the gun of the other, because they came out of the car "with their gun ready"
1 GOD_HATES_DORKS 2020-05-26
do you realize that videos have a play button that lets you actually watch the video
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
do you know what "gun ready" means? it means this.
1 GOD_HATES_DORKS 2020-05-26
You don't have to be literally aiming with your finger on the trigger to have your gun ready.
bait better
1 ThenextRickSantorum 2020-05-26
Imagine feeling the need to defend a few good ol boys this bad. I’m assuming this hits close to home since they’re so much like you lmao.
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
? it took them so long to even bring charges against them because the district attorney didn't think there was a case and they had to find one that thought they even had a sliver of a chance to win the case. go watch any actual self-defense attorney talk about this, everyone was an r-slur there, but even if you dont think there's a citizens arrest taking place, the fat rednecks did nothing illegal.
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1 bipbopboomed 2020-05-26
ur bad at cs
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
yeah that happens when you play once a week or so at best
1 bipbopboomed 2020-05-26
same bro but i just have good genetics
2 loli_esports 2020-05-26
do you live in the cs castle too?
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
I think the biggest mental disconnect is between those who understand how laws work and those who believe racial motivation supersedes every other precedent.
This is very similar to the Trayvon case. George is an idiot for following him, but Trayvon's choices lead to his death that was easily ruled self defense despite insane meddling from the media.
1 colormebadorange 2020-05-26
First mistake.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2020-05-26
Rofl, citizens arrest when you chase a guy down in your truck with shotguns and he ends up dead. It's not self-defense when they intentionally put themselves in the way of danger by going after the guy after he had left the scene of the crime. Those fat fucks should have just let the police handle it. Now they're going to rot in prison for negligent homicide.
You're r3tarded.
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
got any actual legal source for any of that from an attorney that isn't paid by an involved party? i'm honestly curious if you actually have read anything related to the law about this rather than just be mad because you saw something on the news.
2 Barkasia 2020-05-26
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
2 loli_esports 2020-05-26
just post the rooster next time
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2020-05-26
Legal source on what? The fact that a citizens arrest needs to take place at the scene of the crime? It's common sense.
This is not shit you need to be a lawyer to know. I'm mad at having to read comments from r3tards like you, not the garbage from the media.
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1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
me: there was no citizens arrest
you: WELL THERE WAS ONE
me: do you actually have a source on that
you: HERES ARTICLES ABOUT CITIZENS ARRESTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but hey have fun spending your morning typing paragraphs about a case that was so bad multiple district attorneys decided not to press charges.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2020-05-26
I took your first comment as sarcasm, but you're actually admitting to something even more r3tarded. If there was no citizens arrest, then it's clear-cut negligent homicide. Why the fuck would they drive after him with shotguns then? Jesus, you're stupid.
Oh, man, the DA's office in some bumfuck Georgia county decided not to press charges against an ex-cop from the county and his son. There's no case!
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
except it's not even negligent homicide. they may have wanted to conduct some g*y citizens arrest, but they didnt. they didn't actually stop him, he approached them, and the best anyone can do to argue that they falsely imprisoned him is to say the guy filming the thing was in on this hypothetical murder plot too. you're as crazy as q larpers if you think this is going anywhere besides an acquittal. they didn't actually threaten him, they didn't point their guns at him, and he approached them. if you're gonna get this riled up about some shooting in a town no one cared about before this and no one will care about after, at least pick one that's obviously wrong (like that guy who got shot in his car) and doesn't have the guy who got shot slowly jogging up to someone with a gun and starting to attack them.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2020-05-26
The video shows their truck stopped in the middle of the road in front of Arbery. Do people normally keep their trucks parked in the middle of the road? Otherwise, it's clear they drove up in front of him. Furthermore, driving after someone, pulling up in front of them in the middle of the road, and exiting the car with a shotgun is incredibly fucking threatening. Any gun-owner would know this, which leads me to believe you don't know fuckall about gun ownership. Any time you are holding a gun, you are fully liable for your actions. Even in clear-cut self-defense situations, there are legal procedures because that's just how fucking serious shooting someone in self-defense is. It's hard to understate just how extraordinary the situation has to be to even pull a gun on someone, let alone a fucking shotgun, in the middle of a county road, upon exiting your vehicle after chasing the other person down in it.
Let me simplify it for you: no gun-owner is going to approach someone with their gun drawn if their intent is to just ask questions.
I'm commenting on this case because so many people have decided to run their mouths off about it, like you and the author of this idiotic story.
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
Arbery had to run like 30 yards before attacking that fat redneck, really hard for me to wrap my head around the idea of a murder conviction when we have video evidence of self defense.
Either way, this is a mess.
1 mcbrd 2020-05-26
As much as I wish he were wearing timbs, he wasn't. The footage of him in the construction site is much clearer and he definitely isn't wearing timbs
3 ImJustaBagofHammers 2020-05-26
Why are people saying the shooting was justified?
4 Mdaug201 2020-05-26
I don’t think people are saying it was completely justified, just a little unfair how the media is representing it.
They came out with the story that he was jogging and gunned down. They didn’t really release that he was jogging 12 miles away from his home in Nike high top boots with his belt below his waist carrying a hammer. They also didn’t release that he was casing a house before hand or that he was convicted of carrying a gun to a high school basketball game as a 22 yr old (pretty sure it was around there). They also only showed the part of him getting shot, not the moments leading up to it where he was running towards a truck of armed men and then assaulted them, resulting in him getting shot.
I believe a lot of people are upset the way the media portrays white on black crime as this horrendous thing, even though black on white crime is 16x more likely, but somehow never gets reported as it’s against the narrative and isn’t even news worthy anymore, because it’s just the norm. But one ex cop kills a black dude and pretty much tries to blame the white population in America
6 Redactor0 2020-05-26
Those things might not actually be technically true in our physical world, but they have an emotional truth for you, and that's what's important.
#believe4chan
2 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2020-05-26
Yeah, I think it was closer to 2 miles away from his home.
3 oskenvi 2020-05-26
(((THE MEDIA))) is biased so I had no choice but to believe image macros and random twitter rtards.
1 Bummunism 2020-05-26
im the only one you can trust
i will teach you everything
1 GOD_HATES_DORKS 2020-05-26
There is no source more trustworthy than /pol/ maymays.
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1 Mdaug201 2020-05-26
Well I honestly couldn’t tell you who does more research before posting. The screen captures I’ve seen as well as the video it does look like that.
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1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
The issue here is not a single point you just made is relevant to the fact he was murdered.
There's no doubt about it - those men chased down someone illegally and shot him when he tried to defend himself.
There is absolutely nothing that says anything those men did that was legal or justified.
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
he forced them to shoot, thats the end of it.
if you think they murdered him than you would have to prove first degree, that they came there with the intention of killing him. can you?
once a person is grabbing on to your firearm in order to take it from you, second degree murder ceases to be possible. Most you can argue is manslaughter.
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
No, they forced him to force them to shoot. The actions the jogger took were completely justified.
What the jogger did was self-defense, what they did was murder.
If someone pulls a gun on you, and you attack that person, you are the one acting legally, and if the person that pulled the gun shoots you, he's going to jail.
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
you dropped your ""
and no, not always
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
Yes, if you are in a state with self-defense laws you pulling a gun on someone for no coherent reason invalidates your claim to self-defense.
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
and what is the threshold for "coherent reason"?
I think someone could make the case with the trespassing and the hammer and the intent to make a citizens arrest, maybe mistaking being actually within the grounds to do so, still qualifies as "coherent"
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
You're actually completely wrong because walking into a construction site isn't criminal trespassing in Georgia.
This is the same defense they tried early on.
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
There is no "Pass Go, Collect $200" when your mistake ends with you killing someone.
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1 Dizzy732 2020-05-26
I mean by the video he was wearing running shoes and shorts.... No timbs , no hammer unless you have some other super secret video footage of the hammer , timbs, and sagging pants.
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
Cargo shorts and high tops. The hammer is seen on the road, he tossed it for plausible deniability
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
So you should be able to provide where that hammer is seen, correct?
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
It's on the road when the filming car comes up on the gunman car
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
And yet you don't see him tossing it, despite the video following him through his jog past that point in the road.
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
There is a turn and he is not in frame for a while
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
But he didn't chuck it 50 feet up the road. You seem him run through the point where the object in the road is.
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
Nah you don't
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Sure you do. Its right by the set of mailboxes that you see him jogging towards after the corner.
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
fleeing. the criminal is fleeing
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
And remind me, what stolen property was found on him?
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
if I go to a bank to crack their safe but run when someone spots me doing it, am I innocent?
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Looking around a construction site isn't cracking a safe at a bank. By Georgia law, it's questionable if it's even criminal trespass.
Try harder to have a point. Or at least make more relevant analogies.
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
I'm not saying what they did was justified at all but there are some key details in this case that are being swept under the rug that I haven't seen anyone bring up. These people were not random strangers. The guy trying to make this "citizens arrest" was an ex-cop. Not only was he an ex-cop but he was an ex-cop who had previously helped convict the jogger for a previous crime. I never heard if he was the arresting officer in the previous crime or if he was just a witness for the prosecution but this wasn't just some random modern day lynching. It's a lot more complex than the outrage would have anyone believe.
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
I mean it's pretty black in white. We've seen no evidence the person in question did anything that met any of the standards for a "citizens arrest."
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
Just because there isn't a video of every second of what went on that got put on the internet doesn't mean that there isn't evidence. That's what the trial is for. Jogger is at a disadvantage because he is dead and can't testify but don't act like you or anyone else who wasn't there knows every detail of what went on.
The ex-piggy is definitely a pos raci$t and I don't know what is worthy of a citizen's arrest in those parts but I wouldn't be surprised if they get off. I'm not about to paint the jogger as some sort of saint either though.
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
The only "crime" they have tried to accuse him of is trespassing and them "suspecting" him of something.
You're trying really hard to spin this event. There's nothing here that shows any valid justification for a "citizens arrest."
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
If that's really all there is to it then they should probably hang but I'm willing to bet there is more to it than all that. Nobody involved is making statements on twitter because they know to keep their mouths shut until a trial.
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
If there was more to it they would have already tried to use it lol.
We even have the 911 call.
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
No they wouldn't. As soon as they get arrested any decent lawyer would tell them nobody says nothing until the trial and then they can try to spin it however they can. Not going to jail is the objective, not winning over the twitteratti
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
We literally have the 911 call specifically stating what they were doing and based on what accusations.
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
A good lawyer can spin all kinds of scenarios. I never listened to the 911 call. I'm just hoping some good white boys don't go to prison while the ghost of a black man gets to jog free.
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
I'll eat a shoe if his lawyer can spin him responding to the question "what is your emergency" with "a black guy is running down my street."
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
Hey someone's daughter might have been raped
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1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Having a history with the guy doesn't make the ex-cop look better, it makes him look worse. He brought lethal means and created a lethal end to a situation where he tried to become the arbiter of justice.
He didn't get out of the truck because he feared for his life. He didn't try to let actual cops confront the jogger. He didn't have any reason to need to defend himself that wasn't a result of his own unjustifiable actions.
None of the background encounters changes that fact.
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
I guess that will be up to a jury to decide
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
I can't imagine it'll take long to deliberate.
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
It probably will. You notice how none of these guys have said peep since the court of public opinion has decided they should hang? That's what anyone who knows the criminal justice system should do. All we have to go off of are the videos and the initial police report where they let the guys go. They are probably going to walk and they might even have a good reason to walk.
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Are you speculating they might have a good reason to walk, or is there something you think suggests they do?
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
Either/or.
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Curious what you think that reason is
1 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
I think they could not go to jail just because they are white and the guy is an ex-cop alone but if they have some additional bs that their top-notch gofundme lawyer can lay on top of that then they might have an even better case.
1 TrollFarm4 2020-05-26
Some with Zimmerman right?
1 nonsiamouguali 2020-05-26
When did they do this?
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
They literally chased him down and cut him off while being armed.
1 nonsiamouguali 2020-05-26
So they did not actually pull a gun on him.
1 professorshillphd 2020-05-26
This is some of the most absurd mental gymnastics I've seen on reddit.
1 Dizzy732 2020-05-26
You should have seen what they were saying about the Charleston spaz who ran his car into the crowd.
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
Lol that fat bitch did have a heart attack, she was like 350 pounds.
And the guys car was being swarmed and attacked
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
In Georgia, lethal force is not justifiable if you are the initial aggressor. That is law, plain and simple.
In what situation is a private citizen chasing you down in a truck with a firearm not being the initial aggressor?
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
when you were just robbing an unfinished house
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
1) What stolen property was on his person? If the answer is "none", he didn't rob anything.
2) They didn't witness a robbery (by their own admission, he just looked like someone who they'd heard was in an unfinished house), so citizen's arrest wouldn't be valid.
3) Pretend a citizen's arrest was reasonable (hint: it wasn't). Lethal force is limited to self defense. If a private citizen puts themself in a position where they need to defend themselves (like, say, attempting a citizen's arrest for a 'burglary'), they aren't protected when using lethal force.
1 Trudict 2020-05-26
You should tell that to George Zimmerman.
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
People ditch merchandise all the time to come back for later. This isn't a relevant point.
1 zergling_Lester 2020-05-26
They stood still by the side of the road. That's not what "chasing someone down" usually means.
1 Drama_Paladin 2020-05-26
You know there is second degree murder, right?
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
Lol dis nigga can't read
1 Drama_Paladin 2020-05-26
My bad, but him grabbing the gun doesn't make it not second degree murder if they were chasing him down and he's grabbing it in self defense.
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
they weren't, they were parked, not moving, with him running towards them.
1 Drama_Paladin 2020-05-26
They were driving on the road before they stopped to get out.
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
No shit, but he could have gone left or right, he chose to run directly at a parked truck. Not like they could have driven through the trees.
They had stopped the chase and parked, and he approached them. He had to run at least 30 yards to meet them.
1 Dizzy732 2020-05-26
Let me just walk up to someone jogging alone with a couple of friends of mine and some guns and ask him if he wants to have a little chat..
WHAT NO YOU CANT HAVE A FLIGHT OR FIGHT RESPONSE NOOOOO
It was just a few guns, why would you ever think your life was endanger!!!
How could you not do a 400iq master plan move to escape when you thinking you're going to die!!!???
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
He could have just talked to them lol, if they shot him there would be no question that it was first degree murder
1 Dizzy732 2020-05-26
Ohhhh noooo how could he fear and not stay calm ohhhh noooo
1 Eva_TryNotBeinRacist 2020-05-26
Lol so you think innocent black ppl are too dumb to convince someone they don't need to be shot? dat's raycist
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1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
The media really did a good job at deep faking the video to look like running shoes. And deep fake his arms held at chest level, not running like he's holding a hammer in place.
1 Caladan_Mood 2020-05-26
I thought being allowed to carry a gun was a basic amerimutt right?
1 Bummunism 2020-05-26
Not for blacks
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
He was 19. It's not even close to the same thing.
1 Fortizen 2020-05-26
Gun Free Zone, Sweetie,=.
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
It's real common that 2A supporters who love the constitution tuck stolen 38's into their basketball shorts and try to sneak them into basketball games. Ahmaud must have been one of us.
1 Caladan_Mood 2020-05-26
lmao how do you get your gun stolen from you
um sweaty why do you have a gun? don't you know this is a gun free zone? sweaty you don't NEED a gun, we can just call the cops if something goes wrong
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
Well people like Arbery break into houses and cars until they find one.
We both know you're being disingenuous about what was essentially going to be a murder weapon. If your gun falls out of your pants while you run, you didn't give a shit about that gun or your rights in the first place.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2020-05-26
Not to a school.
1 Caladan_Mood 2020-05-26
um sweaty this is a school, u dont need a gun, nothing bad has ever happened at a school
1 GOD_HATES_DORKS 2020-05-26
The main problem was that they weren't arrested for a long time afterwards because the ex-cop has lots of buddies in the justice system. The second DA who got the case was just going to sit on it and side with the shooters, before the huge backlash made him recuse himself.
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
no because they saw the video and felt it was self defense.
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1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2020-05-26
Source?
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2020-05-26
Because it was.
1 loli_esports 2020-05-26
from the actual information out there, probably was
1 nonsiamouguali 2020-05-26
Cause he attacked them, punching the old dude and trying to grab the shotgun
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Wow, out of nowhere?? So strange!
1 nonsiamouguali 2020-05-26
Not that strange, criminals are often violent
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Like those that chase people in trucks then jump out with guns. Those criminals are definitely violent.
1 nonsiamouguali 2020-05-26
Not a crime
Not a crime either, if they had a licence
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Killing someone is a crime.
Claiming self defense in a situation you use lethal force in doesn't apply if you're the initial aggressor (like here).
Ergo, they are the criminals.
1 nonsiamouguali 2020-05-26
Except they are not in fact the initial aggressors. Chasing people in a vehicle is not an aggression. Holding guns is not an aggression. You can't see them pointing their guns or hear them issuing threats before the fight breaks out. He ran toward them, he punched first, he's the initial aggressors.
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
Chasing people is aggressive.
Holding a gun in your hands is aggressive.
By their own admission, they were following him.
And pretend none of that was aggressive... They're in a car, he's on foot - they were in no fear for their lives until they decided to stop and get out. Self defense justification for lethal force is gone.
1 nonsiamouguali 2020-05-26
Of course they're not, those are lawful actions. Neither of them endangered Arbery's life in any way.
1 Dizzy732 2020-05-26
Those actions on there own might not be agressive. When you add the context that they were all done together and that a man was stopped by three guys with guns who were chasing him, it becomes an agressive action. Especially with the context that the people admitted they suspected him and were pursuing him. Pursing someone with a car , guns, And friends all at once is an agressive act.
0 weknow_ 2020-05-26
An action doesn't have to be unlawful to be aggressive.
Even without that, they put themselves in a position where they'd need to defend themselves by getting out of the car. That's pretty much the example of how to invalidate your use of lethal force.
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1 Trudict 2020-05-26
Because ultimately if you attack someone and try and steal that someones shotgun, that is 100% a situation that justifies that shotgun being used on you.
1 Lehk 2020-05-26
Because MDEgenerates and CAutists think every black person should be shot.
Reddit never should have banned the containment subs.
0 StingAuer 2020-05-26
because black man bad
2 awarabej 2020-05-26
this but unironically
1 D3nnycrane 2020-05-26
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2 DrunkenRecidivist 2020-05-26
So what. I was a cheese maker. I made fucking cheese.
2 Neon_needles 2020-05-26
He was going to be a humanitarian doctor and cancer researcher...
Instead, he was mega-hella brutalized and gang-raped and murdered. - AP hoping race riots happen so they can get more news clicks
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1 waffen_waffle 2020-05-26
He shouldn't have been doing what he was doing. The media misrepresented the situation.
He also didn't deserve to get shot.
See how easy that is you fucking redditors?
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2020-05-26
You almost had me.
1 Suns0ut 2020-05-26
Go for a run 🏃♂️🥾🔨 meet my gun 🔫👮♂️
1 NervousTomatillo 2020-05-26
Seriously, everyone in this story is a raging id!ot and my only regret is that they did not somehow manage to all shoot each other for the good of the gene pool. THAT is the real tragedy.
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1 Fortizen 2020-05-26
However, if he went for the gun he did. But it would still be the McMousllemans'f fault for creating the situation.
1 Pomodorodorodoro 2020-05-26
I think the shooters deserve to go to jail, but should have their sentences commuted if they promise to turn their lives around and become electricians.
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2020-05-26
Electrician is trade occupation that can be done on high school level. What the fuck is he doing at college?
1 Wewraw 2020-05-26
They call it a technical college cause it’s post secondary and only two years.
Some places go the extra mile and throw in liberal arts classes cause why the fuck not.
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2020-05-26
Sounds like there is a lot of wasted time spent there. My friend went to trade school at age of 16 and was done at age of 18.
1 zuoga 2020-05-26
It's for all the people too dumb to be paid to learn on the job as an apprentice. They need to do a two year pre apprentice program.
1 heretobefriends 2020-05-26
If he really was trying to be an electrician, snooping around on a job site makes total sense.
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1 massive_fckwit 2020-05-26
is the media reporting as fact that he was 'out for a jog' based on anything other than his family saying so?
1 weknow_ 2020-05-26
The video of him jogging?
1 massive_fckwit 2020-05-26
jogging towards the gunmen in order to assault them, yes.
in air jordans and cargo shorts??
not quite 'going for a jog'
2 weknow_ 2020-05-26
So those two poor men just happened to be parked on the side of the road, standing by their truck with guns? Yes, very coincidental. Too bad there isn't a 911 tape of them describing how they're following him.
2 Serr-noz 2020-05-26
Good for them for actually doing something about a known criminal committing crimes in their neighborhood
2 weknow_ 2020-05-26
The Fantastic Fentanyl strikes again
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1 Pepperglue 2020-05-26
Time to make another bag of popcorn.
What is even the point of writing this thing? It does nothing to help clearing up the case, but to further muddy the water and create more talking points for shouting matches.
1 Lehk 2020-05-26
It's sending dramacoin to the moon.
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1 dagoldenpan 2020-05-26
Ok literally one of the rghtoid accounts is called "Maga Baby Yoda" I'm switching to communism to see these myos game ended
1 GOD_HATES_DORKS 2020-05-26
All the MAGAcunts shitposting in the link are convincing me that life was a mistake.
1 LongDongSilvers_ 2020-05-26
Oh man, we got a legitimate good boy eating his dindu muffins.
1 colormebadorange 2020-05-26
Copper reclaimation professional
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1 zuoga 2020-05-26
He was not an electrician. He wansnt even an apprentice yet. He never stepped foot on a real job site.
1 AngstyToast 2020-05-26
The guys trying to be vigilantes are stupid but so is the guy that grabbed the shotgun. Seems more like manslaughter than outright murder.
Now the real crime is the fact that someone named their son "Armed Robbery".
0 StingAuer 2020-05-26
black man bad
3 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
You can believe the shooting was unlawful and also that the media portrayal is bad at the same time.
1 GOD_HATES_DORKS 2020-05-26
Well he was probably looking to snatch something from the site but everything else still holds up. If I see another 'fugee crying about a magic hammer I'm going to go beat my dick off.
1 unrulyfarmhand 2020-05-26
There's zero chance they would have killed him if he didn't rush the dude.
1 pmmeyourpossums 2020-05-26
"It's coming right for us!"
3 Beagle_Knight 2020-05-26
Pro tip: don’t be a criminal scum
1 Suns0ut 2020-05-26
This. But unironically
1 Goibhniu_ 2020-05-26
y e s