I really want a communist country like these other ones, but I know most people wouldn’t like those places or their terrible histories, so I make my extreme views more palatable by saying we are gonna be like Scandinavia when really I’m aiming more 1917 Russia.
I like how the Scandinavian countries are ADAMANT that they aren’t socialist countries, but these crazy weirdos still say they are and that every country would be exactly like them if we only tried socialism.
Those countries are absolutely capitalist, they just have a relatively high tax rate that supports their extensive welfare programs. I guess you could call them “welfare states” maybe?
My mate worked there for a year. The income tax rate is massive even just for minimum wage workers. And they have some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the world.
This is the socialist utopia online wokies want 🤔🤔
All the social welfare benefits are worth it if you live there cause the government covers all basic services, but they never really get much disposable income, so what's the point?
Well I see it like this: It’s a great place to live if you’re young and in college, or if you’re old and retired. If you’re a working professional, it’s better to just work somewhere with a lower income tax. Although I don’t know if they still tax their citizens working overseas at the same rate.
Yep and dat only works if there is a high degree of social cohesion and most people still decide to work. Won’t work with well American meth country and “urban” wastelands. GL on welfare when it has too many queens 💋
They're referring to tribes of hunter-gatherers. However,
You are egregiously misinformed. First of all, humans are not naturally greedy, this is anything but a fact. Humans had been living in primitive communist societies for millennia before feudalism and then capitalism were established
-They think that neither war nor conquest existed before agriculture incentivized the species to build settlements. So I wouldn't take anything they say seriously.
I really like comments like that because as soon as I read "First of all, humans are not naturally greedy" I knew I could ignore anything that followed.
You tend to see that sentiment among silver spoon college types that have absolutely no concept of life resource management. You know, the core demo of vegan activism.
This. All the comments spouting "saying humans are greedy is projection, I'm certainly not greedy" really underestimate what happens when you give people power
They have also never had a child because you can treat them with all the love and the care in the world and they will still exhibit signs of greed, jealousy, anger, envy, selfishness, and all the other aspects of human nature we perceive as negative. That's why as a parent you have to teach them how to mitigate and channel those emotions instead of suppressing them. They are genetically coded into us.
"From everyone according to the guy with the biggest stick, to everyone according to the same guy" - Kurgh Murgh, probably.
I mean, it's more nuanced than that of course, but the mechanisms for forcing people to work and preventing them from taking more than their "fair share" were abound and probably quite horrifying for the modern person. Slavery was widespread, some Native American tribes preemptively cut parts of the feet of the slaves to make watching after them less bothersome.
These tribes enforced tremendous social pressure. It's like living with your extended family, permanently. There is no opportunity for you to pursue your gender identity or Star Wars fandom. If you are too weird, you are left to die.
Commies want their cake and eat it too. They want liberal society and authoritarian economic control. They don't realize the guy in charge of doling rations can be guy in charge of everything else.
Humans had been living in primitive communist societies for millennia before feudalism and then capitalism were established
Umm 🤔 didn't you know that before evil transphobic nazis invented feudalism in the 8-9th century AD, Chinese, Roman and Greek empires had complete social equality? There were statues of Marx on every street corner in Ancient Rome. Educate yourself sweaty 🤦♂️
Even before that, the indo-european conquest of Europe actually started because of a disagreement between Stalinists and Trotskyists.
Did you know that when caveman Uggo found a shiny, sharp piece of flint back in 26000 BC his first thought was to run back to the camp and share it with the tribe?
He definitely didn't bash caveman Bubba's head in to prevent him from stealing his shit and taking his deer pelt or whatever.
If my understanding is correct that's not a completely incorrect statement, I think in native American tribes if, say, you had more sheep or whatever than your neighbor you'd give them to him until you were equal. Which is why they got their asses stomped
Some tribes, especially the nomadic ones, also murdered their weak, freeloading, and mentally unstable members because they were a threat to the survival of the whole group. Imagine sending one of these vegans back to one of these primitive "utopias". They would be scalped as soon as they uttered their preferred pronoun.
This is why I'm glad I grew up in the South where people don't tolerate f-slurs like this to the point that they don't exist or are bullied until they move away.
That's just their line to excuse their rampant consumerism while still calling themselves communists. They'd have a good point, you can't really get through life without buying things, except that you can get through life without buying thousands of dollars worth of Disney merchandise. They use that line to say that buying a car to go to work and buying a funko pop collection are the same.
It’s technically true though. Greed doesn’t mean “person who wants things and is bad”.
Greediness is the story of selling out the long term for the short term. A greedy person gets fucked in the end, and if they don’t they weren’t being greedy.
Most people are actually pretty decent at acting in their own long term self interests.
Yea, no, first time using the sub—assumed it would similar to r/vegancirclejerk—but it’s just for r*edditors who wanna pretend to able to troll, then get butthurt when called retarded.
Hmmm, something hasn’t been “properly” instituted despite a dozen attempts...maybe the problem is it’s unable to work with any group larger than a tribe🤔🤔🤔
If you think about it, communism and veganism do go hand in hand. Pretty sure the citizens in those commie countries were eating sawdust, which is plant based.
Cellulose can be digested by plant-eating animals so feeding them sawdust isn't as monstrous as it sounds, it's actually a pretty sensible and environmentally-friendly way to reuse waste - which you'd hope hippies would be happy about but instead they say "THEY'RE FEEDING COWS SAWDUST! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?! SAWDUST!!!"
Toilet paper is made of cellulose, which can be broken down into simple sugars using the same enzyme herbivores have in their stomachs (cellulase). Add some yeast and you've got drinkable alcohol.
Given the emphasis on animal and environmental issues, it’s sublimely retarded that they’re going to bat for the former eastern bloc.
It’s peak naivety to ignore the magnitude of the various environmental disasters (among others) that occurred on their watch. This is nothing to do with socialist theory and everything to do with Redditor feelings. The western capitalistic states have an appalling record, one cannot look at the depleted, former Aral Sea and images of the Salton Sea. Part of the difference is magnitude, it’s nuts to think the Salton is like 7.4 square miles total but the former Aral Sea catchment was 598,100 sq mi and is now nothing but a puddle.
I guess my point is that it’s really dumb to compare apples to oranges like that or whatever but fuck it I went there.
The part about capitalism resulting in a recession every 7-10 years is partly accurate, though it seems to usually be triggered by greed (bank deregulation, etc) rather than the economic system itself. But in the same post the Person of Tard says greed doesn't exist so I dunno.
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102 throwaway_at_ 2020-07-22
23 languidhorse 2020-07-22
They're gonna be the first ones to die. Not even by the gestapo, too unimportant for that. They're gonna die of funkopop deprivation
10 throwaway_at_ 2020-07-22
Lol if resources got scare RIP
7 N0ahface 2020-07-22
Check yourself, bigot. Resources are immune to scarcity once you declare them a human right.
16 Lysander125 2020-07-22
I like how the Scandinavian countries are ADAMANT that they aren’t socialist countries, but these crazy weirdos still say they are and that every country would be exactly like them if we only tried socialism.
Those countries are absolutely capitalist, they just have a relatively high tax rate that supports their extensive welfare programs. I guess you could call them “welfare states” maybe?
9 DayyyTripper 2020-07-22
My mate worked there for a year. The income tax rate is massive even just for minimum wage workers. And they have some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the world.
This is the socialist utopia online wokies want 🤔🤔
All the social welfare benefits are worth it if you live there cause the government covers all basic services, but they never really get much disposable income, so what's the point?
4 Lysander125 2020-07-22
Well I see it like this: It’s a great place to live if you’re young and in college, or if you’re old and retired. If you’re a working professional, it’s better to just work somewhere with a lower income tax. Although I don’t know if they still tax their citizens working overseas at the same rate.
7 DayyyTripper 2020-07-22
This is most of Europe. If you're above average intelligence, youre better off working somewhere else.
6 throwaway_at_ 2020-07-22
Yep and dat only works if there is a high degree of social cohesion and most people still decide to work. Won’t work with well American meth country and “urban” wastelands. GL on welfare when it has too many queens 💋
150 Corporal-Hicks 2020-07-22
wat
130 voice_of_ukraine 2020-07-22
US is only 300 years old, before that the whole world was a commie shithole.
84 RoloJP 2020-07-22
"History began on July 4th, 1776. Everything before that was a communist utopia."
38 Bummunism 2020-07-22
Landchads across the world shared their homes, fields, and guidance.
25 kyle_schwartz_ 2020-07-22
Shared their cotton picking labor with POCs for FREE.
Almost as liberating as the time we did fuedalism for 10 centuries!
8 StrangeSorbet 2020-07-22
“Where were you when the mercantilist nations began?”
103 Infidel6 2020-07-22
They're referring to tribes of hunter-gatherers. However,
-They think that neither war nor conquest existed before agriculture incentivized the species to build settlements. So I wouldn't take anything they say seriously.
92 The_Homocracy 2020-07-22
I really like comments like that because as soon as I read "First of all, humans are not naturally greedy" I knew I could ignore anything that followed.
34 BroughtToYouBySprite 2020-07-22
27 HodorLePortePorte 2020-07-22
Wasn't listening
68 QuadNarca 2020-07-22
It's like they are still naive children and don't understand how low people can sink, and how evil they can become just to get what they want.
66 ironicshitpostr 2020-07-22
This is what happens without a healthy dose of bullying
49 WallyWendels 2020-07-22
You tend to see that sentiment among silver spoon college types that have absolutely no concept of life resource management. You know, the core demo of vegan activism.
19 godsrmay 2020-07-22
This. All the comments spouting "saying humans are greedy is projection, I'm certainly not greedy" really underestimate what happens when you give people power
14 hungarianmeatslammer 2020-07-22
They have also never had a child because you can treat them with all the love and the care in the world and they will still exhibit signs of greed, jealousy, anger, envy, selfishness, and all the other aspects of human nature we perceive as negative. That's why as a parent you have to teach them how to mitigate and channel those emotions instead of suppressing them. They are genetically coded into us.
13 Wopitikitotengo 2020-07-22
Based and Augustine pilled. There is nothing more selfish and immoral than a new born baby.
40 zergling_Lester 2020-07-22
"From everyone according to the guy with the biggest stick, to everyone according to the same guy" - Kurgh Murgh, probably.
I mean, it's more nuanced than that of course, but the mechanisms for forcing people to work and preventing them from taking more than their "fair share" were abound and probably quite horrifying for the modern person. Slavery was widespread, some Native American tribes preemptively cut parts of the feet of the slaves to make watching after them less bothersome.
29 CreamPuffMarshmallow 2020-07-22
Chimpanzees go to war over banana trees (which is fucking hilarious and also explains so much).
23 fat_cox 2020-07-22
These tribes enforced tremendous social pressure. It's like living with your extended family, permanently. There is no opportunity for you to pursue your gender identity or Star Wars fandom. If you are too weird, you are left to die.
Commies want their cake and eat it too. They want liberal society and authoritarian economic control. They don't realize the guy in charge of doling rations can be guy in charge of everything else.
14 hobbitmeat 2020-07-22
No idea the Romans, Greeks, Sumerians and all were communist
Chimpanzee tribes fight over bananas for god's sake
4 DayyyTripper 2020-07-22
Centrist Chimp: I just wanna peel for God's sake!
9 HackerManifesto 2020-07-22
Grug good at hunting. Grug have many meat. Grug trade excess meat to Gragga for nuts and berries
4 Wopitikitotengo 2020-07-22
People have always been doing what we are doing know they just used to be fucking shit at it lmao
53 lawlzposting 2020-07-22
My system works only in tribes of a dozen people, clearly it should become the standard to govern the lives of 7 billion.
43 alakavat 2020-07-22
You forgot the best part.
Umm 🤔 didn't you know that before evil transphobic nazis invented feudalism in the 8-9th century AD, Chinese, Roman and Greek empires had complete social equality? There were statues of Marx on every street corner in Ancient Rome. Educate yourself sweaty 🤦♂️
Even before that, the indo-european conquest of Europe actually started because of a disagreement between Stalinists and Trotskyists.
33 snowkarl 2020-07-22
Did you know that when caveman Uggo found a shiny, sharp piece of flint back in 26000 BC his first thought was to run back to the camp and share it with the tribe?
He definitely didn't bash caveman Bubba's head in to prevent him from stealing his shit and taking his deer pelt or whatever.
3 CreamPuffMarshmallow 2020-07-22
This story sounds familiar https://youtu.be/ypEaGQb6dJk
9 Gleeroy95 2020-07-22
If my understanding is correct that's not a completely incorrect statement, I think in native American tribes if, say, you had more sheep or whatever than your neighbor you'd give them to him until you were equal. Which is why they got their asses stomped
36 Corporal-Hicks 2020-07-22
Its quite a stretch to say that some tribes were communal as evidence they were usong a system based on Marxist theory.
12 Gleeroy95 2020-07-22
All I mean is that there's a tiny, tiny, morsel of a shred of Truth in what they're saying I still think they're the opposite of heterosexual
7 hungarianmeatslammer 2020-07-22
Some tribes, especially the nomadic ones, also murdered their weak, freeloading, and mentally unstable members because they were a threat to the survival of the whole group. Imagine sending one of these vegans back to one of these primitive "utopias". They would be scalped as soon as they uttered their preferred pronoun.
8 Gleeroy95 2020-07-22
Hell yeah sounds based
3 CreamPuffMarshmallow 2020-07-22
We need to go back to the Stone Age fam.
3 languidhorse 2020-07-22
They're welcome to go back to that state. The Amazon rainforest awaits them
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113 lawlzposting 2020-07-22
lmao what? How do these "people" even manage to go through life?
59 Godsdj 2020-07-22
Via double-think.
45 ShitTornadoToOz 2020-07-22
This is why I'm glad I grew up in the South where people don't tolerate f-slurs like this to the point that they don't exist or are bullied until they move away.
4 AltRitardando 2020-07-22
It turns out that if you agreed with internet pinkos on everything (and who wouldn't!?), you would be a socialist!
2 AlexJones_GayFrog 2020-07-22
That's just their line to excuse their rampant consumerism while still calling themselves communists. They'd have a good point, you can't really get through life without buying things, except that you can get through life without buying thousands of dollars worth of Disney merchandise. They use that line to say that buying a car to go to work and buying a funko pop collection are the same.
-7 godsrmay 2020-07-22
It's not a very unreasonable claim
21 lawlzposting 2020-07-22
Seethe
-1 godsrmay 2020-07-22
Zero seething to be found. Brainlet cope
15 lawlzposting 2020-07-22
Lmao cope
2 godsrmay 2020-07-22
Cope and dilate
6 Osterion 2020-07-22
Explain 🤔🤔🤔
84 _____kek_____ 2020-07-22
WE WUZ PRIMITIVE COMMUNIST SOCIETIES N SHIET
also daily reminder that the Nazis lost because Hïtler was a vegetarian
65 Zgfz 2020-07-22
This is childlike level of delusion
41 wizdumb337 2020-07-22
Nah it's outright lying they don't believe that themselves
9 kyle_schwartz_ 2020-07-22
they'd be starving after they used up all the built up industry capitalism built up for them.
Or just imported tons of food from the market countries around them like the commies did
8 lorgar_was_right 2020-07-22
Well yeah they’re vegetarians/vegans - that’s par for the course.
5 Orbidorpdorp 2020-07-22
It’s technically true though. Greed doesn’t mean “person who wants things and is bad”.
Greediness is the story of selling out the long term for the short term. A greedy person gets fucked in the end, and if they don’t they weren’t being greedy.
Most people are actually pretty decent at acting in their own long term self interests.
60 thehanes 2020-07-22
Didn’t even have to scroll down very far to get hit with the “real communism hasn’t been tried yet”
39 FrenemyOfTheSheeple 2020-07-22
They will never extend the same logic and courtesy to 'REAL KAPITALIZAM'.
Don't tell me why.
24 Pepperglue 2020-07-22
It never crossed their mind what none of the attempts ended up with "real communism," but every capitalist attempts were honest and true.
Yet they had the gall to claim humans are not inherently selfish and greedy. They really need to rethink their logic.
14 stop_this_shitpostin 2020-07-22
Almost as if the system fails before it can fully achieved due to the nature of greedy humans 🤔
47 elephantofdoom 2020-07-22
Lefties and hurting their own causes by demanding unrelated causes be grouped together, name a more iconic duo.
42 hackfraud199930 2020-07-22
I thought the genius defending communism in the thread was trolling but no as every redditor he’s mentally handicapped
12 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
Yea, no, first time using the sub—assumed it would similar to r/vegancirclejerk—but it’s just for r*edditors who wanna pretend to able to troll, then get butthurt when called retarded.
5 hackfraud199930 2020-07-22
Every single one of the circlejerk subs are cancer, just neckbeards bitching about other neckbeards
6 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
Yes. And?
28 tereria85 2020-07-22
Im trying to go vegan and i don't like commies, give me my award.
7 Godsdj 2020-07-22
:clapclapclapclap:! c:
6 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
Am vegan, don’t like commies, where’s mine?🤔🥺🥺🥺
27 Unpozy 2020-07-22
Based.
8 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
Don’t forget radical-pilled😎
5 kyle_schwartz_ 2020-07-22
Basically a centrist.
19 swislock 2020-07-22
Holy shit the Rslurs said in in the first 4 or 5 comments
ReAl CoMmUnIsM hasn't been tried
10 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
Almost like it’s incapable of being “properly” instituted🤔🤔🤔
19 kyle_schwartz_ 2020-07-22
I'm more disappointed that people thought it was worth their time replying to this 14 yr old.
14 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
Hmmm, something hasn’t been “properly” instituted despite a dozen attempts...maybe the problem is it’s unable to work with any group larger than a tribe🤔🤔🤔
12 strallweat 2020-07-22
If you think about it, communism and veganism do go hand in hand. Pretty sure the citizens in those commie countries were eating sawdust, which is plant based.
8 MidgetsRGodsBloopers 2020-07-22
Nifty facts:
Cellulose can be digested by plant-eating animals so feeding them sawdust isn't as monstrous as it sounds, it's actually a pretty sensible and environmentally-friendly way to reuse waste - which you'd hope hippies would be happy about but instead they say "THEY'RE FEEDING COWS SAWDUST! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?! SAWDUST!!!"
Toilet paper is made of cellulose, which can be broken down into simple sugars using the same enzyme herbivores have in their stomachs (cellulase). Add some yeast and you've got drinkable alcohol.
10 BussySundae 2020-07-22
Given the emphasis on animal and environmental issues, it’s sublimely retarded that they’re going to bat for the former eastern bloc.
It’s peak naivety to ignore the magnitude of the various environmental disasters (among others) that occurred on their watch. This is nothing to do with socialist theory and everything to do with Redditor feelings. The western capitalistic states have an appalling record, one cannot look at the depleted, former Aral Sea and images of the Salton Sea. Part of the difference is magnitude, it’s nuts to think the Salton is like 7.4 square miles total but the former Aral Sea catchment was 598,100 sq mi and is now nothing but a puddle.
I guess my point is that it’s really dumb to compare apples to oranges like that or whatever but fuck it I went there.
7 carbonunitcannot 2020-07-22
Threads like this are why I hate Redditors. Wtf is wrong with these people.
5 MidgetsRGodsBloopers 2020-07-22
The part about capitalism resulting in a recession every 7-10 years is partly accurate, though it seems to usually be triggered by greed (bank deregulation, etc) rather than the economic system itself. But in the same post the Person of Tard says greed doesn't exist so I dunno.
5 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
Doublethink
5 Hixrabbit 2020-07-22
Veganism is literally the creation of capitalisms excess
You could not have it in another economic system
3 twinkslayer12345 2020-07-22
I just got banned for ableism as well. Is this because vegans consider themselves disabled?
2 RedPillDessert 2020-07-22
Opinions against the majority groupthink are forbidden - I thought you would've known that.
6 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
Maybe...I was the retard all along?
1 RedPillDessert 2020-07-22
If you have to ask, then you're not.
1 TeeEssDoubleU 2020-07-22
vegans are retarded no what what economic theory they promote.
1 TylerTheBox 2020-07-22
All economic systems suck?🤔