I love how Trump supporters think he was hard on China or did anything other than make them stronger.
Like, if you're scoring Trump on his ability to contain China he's failed by every relevant metric.
At least the Obama admin had some coherent plan to isolate them, Trump just started dumb trade wars he was never going to win because he doesn't have a basic comprehension of trade in the first place.
Seemingly every move Trump made was to bolster his image amongst his poorly educated base and not to harm China in any way.
China: If you’re favorable to us we’ll loan you money for infrastructure and stuff.
US: We won’t do anything but try to coup your country and install a puppet if you’re not favorable to us.
Pretty easy choice for SA countries when those are the choices.
Isolating the US really did wonders for China.
We’ll continue to lose the influence battle if the US continues being rslurred thinking coups and military intervention build more influence than using soft power over the long term.
That's just it. China's policy of commerce is we both benefit, whereas the US and most western European nations has been crony democracies and one of exploitation.
Pretty much all of the US's enemies but even allies. It's not jus trump but your system, and the people in charge. They are absolutely useless most of them. America is (for now) one of the most powerful nations in the world. The inherent weakness is the government and that small segment of cultish trump supporters.
Shit I'll bite but china is a strong regional power, if that. The belt and band projects are literally free money to countries based on not more than handshake deals. Really not much that China can do it the countries reneg their portion of the deal, which is likely to happen with all the countries that China is deep into that the US and EU wouldn't touch.
All it would take for Biden to collapse the Chinese system is to promise certain countries other tangible shit to simply slow down the repayment or Chinese firms use of the infrastructure.
The belt and band projects are literally free money to countries based on not more than handshake deals.
It's a debt trap. Free money for their corrupt politicians, maybe.
All it would take for Biden to collapse the Chinese system is to promise certain countries other tangible shit to simply slow down the repayment or Chinese firms use of the infrastructure.
Then we get called colonizers, or wasting our money to help corrupt governments.
We should have never allowed China to enter WTO; or we should have never recognized CCP China as the real China.
Or we shouldn't have fallen for Commie propaganda, and let Chang kill commies at whatever cost he deemed necessary in the first place.
It's a debt trap. Free money for their corrupt politicians, maybe.
Naw the CCP is on the hook for almost the entirety of the work and material. They have informal agreements in most that let Chinese firms use the stuff like ports at reduced charge. They couldn't get any major EU banks on board lmao
They have informal agreements in most that let Chinese firms use the stuff like ports at reduced charge. They couldn't get any major EU banks on board lmao
They may not be able to make the Euros completely submit to them now, but they are certainly making progress in Central Asia and Africa. They are using this to increase their influence either through buying politicians, or resource exploitation. Hell, this is how they got enough votes to get them to replace ROC in the first place.
They will do whatever they can do achieve world domination, through any means that can get them there.
I am still shocked the Trans Pacific Partnership deal got struck down by him. Pretty sure he was too stupid to understand it, didn't realize lefties hated it, and just thought "Obama did it so bad."
If they wanted to harm them they would be forming and participating in coalitions to draw economic interest away from them (ASEAN, the EU, etc). Apparently like pre-1850 Japan the admin expected the rest of the world wouldn't continue to turn if they just retreated in to their shells.
When Iran fired those missiles at the base after Trump assassinated the iranian general every comment I read in the new section of various Trump forums was calling for Trump to "glass them" and "send in the navy" and all kinds of insane shit.
Then it turned out that being anti-war results in Iran shooting down a civilian plane full of its own civilians. Maybe that changed some minds! After all, reasonable people are pro-something or anti-something because they believe that it benefits them and humiliates their enemies, right :3
I hope that this is the end. r/Drama has a unique way of bringing out the worst in people. It really does, I think. The dynamic here is just so fucking toxic and it turns people into the worst possible people they can be.
Drama is an addiction. It should be classified as something more like heroine or meth than a game.
The legacy of Drama has been written large in blood, quite literally. Several Drama posters have committed mayocide, and this place enabled their downward spirals. u/DarqWolff's insanity was made far worse by this place. I've come to the conclusion that the internet, as a social platform, was a mistake.
It radicalizes people by isolating them with other people just like them and so they spiral into the worst versions of themselves. Drama made me a worse person, and it's made most of you worse people. It's been the breeding ground of pedophile groomers, alt-right killers, and suicidal narcissists. This place is a total fucking shithole and I spent three years of my life that I'll never get back immersed in it. It was a total waste and I'm going to regret this period of my life for the rest of my existence as will most of you.
Even the most moral people have been made worse for being here. I think that the fundamental issue with Drama is that due to the way reputations work, betrayal, secret cabals, two-faced bs, and bad faith negotiation isn't just prioritized, it's the only effective way to operate. Being a huge piece of shit to everybody around you and tearing them down like crabs in a bucket isn't just a viable strategy, it's actually the only viable strategy once Drama reached a certain size. It's all just a bunch of assholes circlejerking over how bad all the other assholes are, because it's impossible to do anything else short of outright genociding anybody who poses any sort of threat to Drama's security and dominance.
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44 adminsare55IQ 2021-01-20
I love how Trump supporters think he was hard on China or did anything other than make them stronger.
Like, if you're scoring Trump on his ability to contain China he's failed by every relevant metric.
At least the Obama admin had some coherent plan to isolate them, Trump just started dumb trade wars he was never going to win because he doesn't have a basic comprehension of trade in the first place.
Seemingly every move Trump made was to bolster his image amongst his poorly educated base and not to harm China in any way.
27 respaaaaaj 2021-01-20
He also did nothing to contest China's growing influence in Africa either lol.
28 Tobyghisa 2021-01-20
Africa is old news, they're growing in South America now. Isolating the US really did wonders for China.
11 McFluff_TheCrimeCat 2021-01-20
Not really hard when the situation is,
China: If you’re favorable to us we’ll loan you money for infrastructure and stuff.
US: We won’t do anything but try to coup your country and install a puppet if you’re not favorable to us.
Pretty easy choice for SA countries when those are the choices.
We’ll continue to lose the influence battle if the US continues being rslurred thinking coups and military intervention build more influence than using soft power over the long term.
1 __TIE_Guy 2021-01-20
That's just it. China's policy of commerce is we both benefit, whereas the US and most western European nations has been crony democracies and one of exploitation.
1 __TIE_Guy 2021-01-20
Pretty much all of the US's enemies but even allies. It's not jus trump but your system, and the people in charge. They are absolutely useless most of them. America is (for now) one of the most powerful nations in the world. The inherent weakness is the government and that small segment of cultish trump supporters.
14 Meowing_Cows 2021-01-20
Also isn't our trade deficit with China higher than ever before or some shit now? lol "winning"
12 Pepperglue 2021-01-20
I doubt any president can contain China. We are already 20 years too late.
4 Whaddaulookinat 2021-01-20
Shit I'll bite but china is a strong regional power, if that. The belt and band projects are literally free money to countries based on not more than handshake deals. Really not much that China can do it the countries reneg their portion of the deal, which is likely to happen with all the countries that China is deep into that the US and EU wouldn't touch.
All it would take for Biden to collapse the Chinese system is to promise certain countries other tangible shit to simply slow down the repayment or Chinese firms use of the infrastructure.
6 Pepperglue 2021-01-20
It's a debt trap. Free money for their corrupt politicians, maybe.
Then we get called colonizers, or wasting our money to help corrupt governments.
We should have never allowed China to enter WTO; or we should have never recognized CCP China as the real China.
Or we shouldn't have fallen for Commie propaganda, and let Chang kill commies at whatever cost he deemed necessary in the first place.
3 Whaddaulookinat 2021-01-20
Naw the CCP is on the hook for almost the entirety of the work and material. They have informal agreements in most that let Chinese firms use the stuff like ports at reduced charge. They couldn't get any major EU banks on board lmao
2 Pepperglue 2021-01-20
They may not be able to make the Euros completely submit to them now, but they are certainly making progress in Central Asia and Africa. They are using this to increase their influence either through buying politicians, or resource exploitation. Hell, this is how they got enough votes to get them to replace ROC in the first place.
They will do whatever they can do achieve world domination, through any means that can get them there.
2 McFluff_TheCrimeCat 2021-01-20
Lol imagine going full red scare in 2020. CCP not doing anything worse than the US gov has done by a long shot.
2 Pepperglue 2021-01-20
Excuse you, red scare is in my blood.
9 dabibbybb 2021-01-20
I am still shocked the Trans Pacific Partnership deal got struck down by him. Pretty sure he was too stupid to understand it, didn't realize lefties hated it, and just thought "Obama did it so bad."
Xi must've been pissing himself laughing
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1 seenten 2021-01-20
If they wanted to harm them they would be forming and participating in coalitions to draw economic interest away from them (ASEAN, the EU, etc). Apparently like pre-1850 Japan the admin expected the rest of the world wouldn't continue to turn if they just retreated in to their shells.
1 __TIE_Guy 2021-01-20
Absolutely. China played this moron like a fiddle. That's why they've barred all his contacts. He is no longer a useful idiot.
25 Pewkie 2021-01-20
The war of boomer aggression has a nice ring to it
9 heretobefriends 2021-01-20
The Great Sundown.
24 pepperouchau 2021-01-20
I'll never be convinced by conservatives suddenly being anti-war now
10 adminsare55IQ 2021-01-20
When Iran fired those missiles at the base after Trump assassinated the iranian general every comment I read in the new section of various Trump forums was calling for Trump to "glass them" and "send in the navy" and all kinds of insane shit.
They aren't anti-war, Trump wasn't even anti-war.
5 zergling_Lester 2021-01-20
Then it turned out that being anti-war results in Iran shooting down a civilian plane full of its own civilians. Maybe that changed some minds! After all, reasonable people are pro-something or anti-something because they believe that it benefits them and humiliates their enemies, right :3
4 seenten 2021-01-20
They realized the optics of pretending to be are good again.
9 elephantofdoom 2021-01-20
Honestly those guys might be onto something
7 tiptopkitkat 2021-01-20
They still seem to be under the idea Trump was a visionary.
5 SnapshillBot 2021-01-20
I hope that this is the end. r/Drama has a unique way of bringing out the worst in people. It really does, I think. The dynamic here is just so fucking toxic and it turns people into the worst possible people they can be.
Drama is an addiction. It should be classified as something more like heroine or meth than a game.
The legacy of Drama has been written large in blood, quite literally. Several Drama posters have committed mayocide, and this place enabled their downward spirals. u/DarqWolff's insanity was made far worse by this place. I've come to the conclusion that the internet, as a social platform, was a mistake.
It radicalizes people by isolating them with other people just like them and so they spiral into the worst versions of themselves. Drama made me a worse person, and it's made most of you worse people. It's been the breeding ground of pedophile groomers, alt-right killers, and suicidal narcissists. This place is a total fucking shithole and I spent three years of my life that I'll never get back immersed in it. It was a total waste and I'm going to regret this period of my life for the rest of my existence as will most of you.
Even the most moral people have been made worse for being here. I think that the fundamental issue with Drama is that due to the way reputations work, betrayal, secret cabals, two-faced bs, and bad faith negotiation isn't just prioritized, it's the only effective way to operate. Being a huge piece of shit to everybody around you and tearing them down like crabs in a bucket isn't just a viable strategy, it's actually the only viable strategy once Drama reached a certain size. It's all just a bunch of assholes circlejerking over how bad all the other assholes are, because it's impossible to do anything else short of outright genociding anybody who poses any sort of threat to Drama's security and dominance.
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