I don't know why but a lot of these jannies are in Ireland, I had a friend who did this in Dublin. It also explains why all my anti-Irish hate groups keep getting deleted.
Look you retards, when the posts here are basically the same thing every single day and the bot has like 3 different phrases, of course they are going to match up a lot. You idiots post links to anything that matches up with your gay ass drama buzzwords. I don’t get how the circlejerk of regulars don’t get bored of this place but I guess that is because of their incredibly low mental capacity. How many times can you say “dude bussy lmao” without wanted to blow your brains out?
It was the prolific head mod of the American Horror Story fan subreddit, we can't mention them here because they spend every waking moment tattling on reddit, they're really earning their salary.
It was 175k. Sure hope the text doesn't contain nono words... risking it all for lulz:
The answer to that lies in the prevailing case law in California and the United States regarding legal liability.
(The following is a short explanation, and is not legal advice)
So, there's a bunch of legislation, case law, and lawsuits that have been decided or settled or are still in limbo regarding various aspects of the moderation of online activity.
One of these is Section 230(c)(2), which basically says that actions taken voluntarily and in good faith to enact removal and moderation of content on any "interactive computer service" are exempt from civil liability. This is one of the bases for why Reddit relies on volunteer moderators; Paid moderators, it can be argued, are not doing their job voluntarily. Unpaid, voluntary moderators acting in good faith can't be sued.
One set of them is related to the AOL Community Leader Program, and the upshot of that is that if there are volunteer moderators on a platform, they have to do their thing at arm's length from the host service; They can't be given incentives by, or directions from, the people running the interactive computer service. It also has the upshot of establishing that paid moderators are legally agents of the service. (Where "agents" here is a legal term of art, meaning "someone with the authority to exercise judgement in some scope on behalf of the corporation").
One of them is Mavrix v LiveJournal, which has the upshot of "If the computer service gives specific directions / leads a specific group of moderators, they are legally employees of / agents of the service", and also has the upshot of "If an agent of the service is reasonably aware that a piece of content they're weighing the removal of, is in violation of the copyrights of the rightsholder(s), and fails to remove that material, then the corporation on whose behalf the agent is acting may lose DMCA Safe Harbour liability exemption".
Losing DMCA Safe Harbour exemption status is bad. Like, really bad. Like, immediately going bankrupt bad. There is no limit to the fiscal liability exposure of losing Safe Harbour.
Sooooooooo, the upshot of all that is this:
Reddit heavily relies on automated scripts -- which, legally, aren't making decisions, they're just applying generalised rules.
Reddit, Inc. relies on those; AutoModerator -- which many subreddits use -- is legally cognisable as a finite state machine or finite automaton, not even a full pushdown automaton or full turing state machine. Using automoderator and automoderator-esque scripting/mod botting has (IMNSHO) approximately as much inherent legal liability as owning and using a clock.
But -- I digress ---
The reason that Reddit, Inc. can't do the kinds of things we do, as activists and volunteer moderators and reporters,
is because their employees that perform Sitewide Rules Enforcement have to navigate a liability minefield.
We are reasonably certain that reported items, when they're reported, are stripped of metadata and fed into a Mechanical Turk kind of service, where the person reads it and then pushes a button saying "Yes this violates the rule asked about" or "no this doesn't violate the rule asked about". And then, reasonably, an algorithm -- not a human -- decides the consequences of actioning that user account, based on a history attached to the user account.
They just ... can't risk the no-upper-limit legal liability of giving the vast majority of their moderation-decision-job-title staff the agency of evaluating whether something violates someone else's copyright.
There's also the problem of cost and scale; I sat down and did some math, and (as an example) for someone with my credentials and experience to start as a paid employee in California working for Reddit as the in-house "Nazi hunter", the bottom-line cost (for just me) would be $175,000 per year. And that's before the one-time costs of me spinning up a department, the continuing costs of legal counsel, and the costs of recruitment and retention of qualified employees in my department.
But that department, and job description, cannot exist in the current legal climate of the US.
There's a lot of ham-handed attempts to start up discussions about amending Section 230 and getting explicit legislation that makes it possible for ISPs to hire people like me; The calls for amending / repealing Section 230 comes from anti-Semitic / White Nationalist "social conservatives" who -- since the _late 1950's -- have been publishing polemics about being "censored" because of media outlets refusing to publish their hate rhetoric and Holocaust denial. They want Section 230 to go away so that they can legally sue social media platforms that refuse to let them publish hate speech -- including Holocaust denial.
So that's why we do this, and why Reddit, Inc. can't do it.
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40 Lord_Sticky 2021-05-12
Being a paid janny seems like the easiest shit in the world, how can I get that job?
32 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2021-05-12
All you need is no real skill set or education and you're qualified!
8 GreenBlueEyedDog 2021-05-12
15 dollars an hour is 15 dollars an hour
8 goodbehaviorsam 2021-05-12
Not even Facebook pays jannies that low. They were paying $19 for jannies. Google was paying $25 if you knew a foreign language.
6 peterophile 2021-05-12
Which is $15.70/hour
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/facebook-s-dirty-work-in-ireland-i-had-to-watch-footage-of-a-person-being-beaten-to-death-1.3841743
9 goodbehaviorsam 2021-05-12
I don't consider people of potato real people.
3 goodbehaviorsam 2021-05-12
You actually just need a college degree. Maybe mild fluency in a foreign language.
22 AugustinesBitchBoy 2021-05-12
I don't know why but a lot of these jannies are in Ireland, I had a friend who did this in Dublin. It also explains why all my anti-Irish hate groups keep getting deleted.
23 fortypints 2021-05-12
The Facebook EU headquarters are in Dublin you potato
11 AugustinesBitchBoy 2021-05-12
You're implying I should know that or care to know that. Thank you for using potato as an insult though, I hate the Irish.
2 I_Shah 2021-05-12
It would make more sense to have those jannies based in a poor country like Poland to save costs
14 SnapshillBot 2021-05-12
Look you retards, when the posts here are basically the same thing every single day and the bot has like 3 different phrases, of course they are going to match up a lot. You idiots post links to anything that matches up with your gay ass drama buzzwords. I don’t get how the circlejerk of regulars don’t get bored of this place but I guess that is because of their incredibly low mental capacity. How many times can you say “dude bussy lmao” without wanted to blow your brains out?
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13 BIknkbtKitNwniS 2021-05-12
This person was not making 160k lmao. Where did you pull that number from?
32 fentanyl_king 2021-05-12
Theres a post somewhere of a reddit janny saying their job income should be 160k for all the work they do, cant find it though.
9 cyberdick 2021-05-12
Oh man that was hilarious, someone needs to find it
14 N0ahface 2021-05-12
It was the prolific head mod of the American Horror Story fan subreddit, we can't mention them here because they spend every waking moment tattling on reddit, they're really earning their salary.
11 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-12
It was 175k. Sure hope the text doesn't contain nono words... risking it all for lulz:
The answer to that lies in the prevailing case law in California and the United States regarding legal liability.
(The following is a short explanation, and is not legal advice)
So, there's a bunch of legislation, case law, and lawsuits that have been decided or settled or are still in limbo regarding various aspects of the moderation of online activity.
One of these is Section 230(c)(2), which basically says that actions taken voluntarily and in good faith to enact removal and moderation of content on any "interactive computer service" are exempt from civil liability. This is one of the bases for why Reddit relies on volunteer moderators; Paid moderators, it can be argued, are not doing their job voluntarily. Unpaid, voluntary moderators acting in good faith can't be sued.
One set of them is related to the AOL Community Leader Program, and the upshot of that is that if there are volunteer moderators on a platform, they have to do their thing at arm's length from the host service; They can't be given incentives by, or directions from, the people running the interactive computer service. It also has the upshot of establishing that paid moderators are legally agents of the service. (Where "agents" here is a legal term of art, meaning "someone with the authority to exercise judgement in some scope on behalf of the corporation").
One of them is Mavrix v LiveJournal, which has the upshot of "If the computer service gives specific directions / leads a specific group of moderators, they are legally employees of / agents of the service", and also has the upshot of "If an agent of the service is reasonably aware that a piece of content they're weighing the removal of, is in violation of the copyrights of the rightsholder(s), and fails to remove that material, then the corporation on whose behalf the agent is acting may lose DMCA Safe Harbour liability exemption".
Losing DMCA Safe Harbour exemption status is bad. Like, really bad. Like, immediately going bankrupt bad. There is no limit to the fiscal liability exposure of losing Safe Harbour.
Sooooooooo, the upshot of all that is this:
Reddit heavily relies on automated scripts -- which, legally, aren't making decisions, they're just applying generalised rules.
Reddit, Inc. relies on those; AutoModerator -- which many subreddits use -- is legally cognisable as a finite state machine or finite automaton, not even a full pushdown automaton or full turing state machine. Using automoderator and automoderator-esque scripting/mod botting has (IMNSHO) approximately as much inherent legal liability as owning and using a clock.
But -- I digress ---
The reason that Reddit, Inc. can't do the kinds of things we do, as activists and volunteer moderators and reporters,
is because their employees that perform Sitewide Rules Enforcement have to navigate a liability minefield.
We are reasonably certain that reported items, when they're reported, are stripped of metadata and fed into a Mechanical Turk kind of service, where the person reads it and then pushes a button saying "Yes this violates the rule asked about" or "no this doesn't violate the rule asked about". And then, reasonably, an algorithm -- not a human -- decides the consequences of actioning that user account, based on a history attached to the user account.
They just ... can't risk the no-upper-limit legal liability of giving the vast majority of their moderation-decision-job-title staff the agency of evaluating whether something violates someone else's copyright.
There's also the problem of cost and scale; I sat down and did some math, and (as an example) for someone with my credentials and experience to start as a paid employee in California working for Reddit as the in-house "Nazi hunter", the bottom-line cost (for just me) would be $175,000 per year. And that's before the one-time costs of me spinning up a department, the continuing costs of legal counsel, and the costs of recruitment and retention of qualified employees in my department.
But that department, and job description, cannot exist in the current legal climate of the US.
There's a lot of ham-handed attempts to start up discussions about amending Section 230 and getting explicit legislation that makes it possible for ISPs to hire people like me; The calls for amending / repealing Section 230 comes from anti-Semitic / White Nationalist "social conservatives" who -- since the _late 1950's -- have been publishing polemics about being "censored" because of media outlets refusing to publish their hate rhetoric and Holocaust denial. They want Section 230 to go away so that they can legally sue social media platforms that refuse to let them publish hate speech -- including Holocaust denial.
So that's why we do this, and why Reddit, Inc. can't do it.
8 fentanyl_king 2021-05-12
Thanks for finding it. Shit was too unreal when I first read it.
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4 cyberdick 2021-05-12
Domo arigato gozaimasu!
chef's kiss
2 I_Shah 2021-05-12
Can this be a snappy quote
1 LEFTOID_DESTROYER 2021-05-12
Do you know where I can find such comment 🤔
1 fentanyl_king 2021-05-12
its the one posted by brilliant-deal7937 in this thread.
4 Lysis10 2021-05-12
Those eyebrows show she has bad judgement.
2 D_Legare 2021-05-12
Reading this article made me want to jump in front of a moving car.
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1 Supreme-Shitposter 2021-05-12
Did you post this to make our jannies seethe and cope cause they do it for free.
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