On one hand, Pallywood and Hamas will do anything to get international sympathy, on the other hand, Israel has repeated lied/manufactured intelligence to declare "Hamas was there" historically.
I wouldn't really trust Israel and their "intelligence" because they're very dishonest people.
What do you mean by this? Is it the responsibility of those defending their right to exist to make sure they get everything correct during a dynamic and critical scenario?
There is a very unstable situation on the ground that is unfolding very quickly. We have to move towards ideas that will help bring this thing to an end.
The AP staff in Gaza City would witness a rocket launch right beside their office, endangering reporters and other civilians nearby — and the AP wouldn’t report it.
Hamas fighters would burst into the AP’s Gaza bureau and threaten the staff—and the AP wouldn’t report it.
Colford, the AP spokesman, confirmed that armed militants entered the AP’s Gaza office in the early days of the war
All of this from an article in 2014. AP has known for at least 7 years that Hamas shared their office building. How could they possibly be shocked that Israel destroyed it?
Matti Friedman is an Israeli-Canadian reporter based in Jerusalem and the author of Pumpkinflowers: A Soldier’s Story and The Aleppo Codex.
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Following the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict, Friedman wrote an essay criticizing what he views as the international media's bias against Israel and undue focus on the country, stating that news organizations treat it as "most important story on earth". He said when he was a correspondent at the AP,
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Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that the piece went "viral" on Facebook. The Atlantic then invited Friedman to write a longer article.[16] AP issued a statement, saying that Friedman's "... arguments have been filled with distortions, half-truths and inaccuracies, both about the recent Gaza war and more distant events. His suggestion of AP bias against Israel is false".
Wow color me shocked an israeli shill with a history of framing israel as the eternal victim of a grand international media conspiracy wrote an article in 2014 deflecting and shilling for the country.
The lines I quoted from that article are literally backed by the AP spokesman. Non jewish btw, since apparently you are racist as fuck.
There is zero justification for AP sharing office space with these hamas terrorists for 15 years, through multiple wars, and with multiple confirmed instances of the terrorists barging into their offices to harass them, and yet still expressing shock and outrage that Israel would destroy their building.
The lines I quoted from that article are literally backed by the AP spokesman. Non jewish btw, since apparently you are racist as fuck.
You're really bad at this, you should be fired.
A) Israel does not = the Jewish people. Israel is a country taking actions that exist independently of their ethnicity. Most jews do not even live in Israel, nor do they agree with the actions of Israel.
B) The person you cited lacks credibility not due to the fact he is jewish, but because he is an israeli victim complex shill. And no, they weren't backed up by AP, you fabricated that.
There is zero justification for AP sharing office space with these hamas terrorists for 15 years, through multiple wars, and with multiple confirmed instances of the terrorists barging into their offices to harass them, and yet still expressing shock and outrage that Israel would destroy their building.
Again, you're really bad at your job and should be fired. Send me to your employer, I'll do your job better than you can, for fun.
Nobody is buying your bullshit anymore. All of the fallacious strawman arguments in the world aren't gonna roll this back.
No, you are. At no point does anything said by AP confirm the claims made by Israel.
Boy do you look fuckin stupid.
No, you're actually just an illiterate person. Some Hamas clowns being around the building does not mean:
A) Hamas was operating out of the building.
B) Hamas was manufacturing weapons in said building.
In fact, the part you edited out:
Colford, the AP spokesman, confirmed that armed militants entered the AP’s Gaza office in the early days of the war to complain about a photo showing the location of a rocket launch, though he said that Hamas claimed that the men “did not represent the group.” The AP “does not report many interactions with militias, armies, thugs or governments,” he wrote. “These incidents are part of the challenge of getting out the news—and not themselves news.”
Weird, I wonder why you'd edit out most of that quote.
anything said by AP confirm the claims made by Israel.
Obviously not? They confirmed that 1) the office invasions happened and 2) they were not reported by AP, which in turn confirms that the nice Jewish man that you immediately called a liar for no reason other than his ethnicity was telling the truth.
As for Israel's claims of Hamas activity in the building, they reportedly shared the info with US intelligence. That's enough for me. I know someone like you who automatically assumes every Jew is a liar won't be satisfied with that, but even if Israel pumped 4k video feed of a rocket being constructed in the AP offices you would still find some excuse to deny Israel the right to defend itself.
Are you really going to try to spin out of the fact you edited out most of the statement, because the statement didn't actually support a single claim made by israel?
Stop embarrassing yourself, you're either a really delusional maga-cultist or working for someone.
which in turn confirms that the nice Jewish man that you immediately called a liar for no reason other than his ethnicity was telling the truth.
This is again, a lie. His ethnicity had nothing to do with it, and the only person you're tricking here is yourself.
As for Israel's claims of Hamas activity in the building, they reportedly shared the info with US intelligence. That's enough for me.
Is it dude, because, you know, the US doesn't seem to be aware of it:
Here you go, got another (non jewish, so you can believe him) person saying Hamas was in the building
While journalists are demanding Israel to release its intel that proved Hamas was located in the same building as international media outlets, former Obama aide Tommy Vietor seemed to back the assertion.
"I'm sure Hamas offices were in that building & that they purposefully co-locate operations with civilians. But that is not a new problem," Vietor tweeted. "And if the IDF wants to claim that the military effort is targeted, precise, etc...then you shouldn't hit that building."
A Twitter user then asked Vietor why he was "sure" that Hamas was located in that building.
He replied, "I talked to people who worked in the building."
Repeating for emphasis, to assist with your reading disability:
Hamas offices were in that building & they purposefully co-locate operations with civilians
If an Obama aide knew, then AP obviously did too. And if AP knew Hamas was in the building and refused to relocate, that means that they willingly became human shields. And are now expressing faux outrage as part of the blatant Hamas propaganda war. Absolutely disgusting behavior, as are you for defending it. It also lends substantial credence to Friedman's claims of biased and selective reporting on Hamas from AP, if you can get over his ethnicity.
Is it dude, because, you know, the US doesn't seem to be aware of it:
*Blinken is not aware of it. I'm sure that you aren't fucking stupid enough to think that Israel emailed the intel directly to our secretary of state. Blinken made this clear himself, which you'd know if you bothered reading the shit you post:
The Secretary was referring only to what he personally had seen. As he made clear, any such information would be provided to others in the administration, not directly to the secretary of State
I know reading quotes isn't your strong point, so I'll repeat it here
The Secretary was referring only to what he personally had seen. As he made clear, any such information would be provided to others in the administration, not directly to the secretary of State
You really need to work on your reading skills if you expect anyone to take you seriously, online or IRL.
Here you go, got another (non jewish, so you can believe him) person saying Hamas was in the building
Friend, cycling through a list of known Israeli shills to justify and defend the actions of Israel is no longer going to work for you guys.
No matter what, no matter how hard you kick, how loud you scream, or how much you cry - the days of Israeli shills being taken seriously by anyone with a functioning brain are over, period, full stop.
If an Obama aide knew, then AP obviously did too. And if AP knew Hamas was in the building and refused to relocate, that means that they willingly became human shields. And are now expressing faux outrage as part of the blatant Hamas propaganda war. Absolutely disgusting behavior, as are you for defending it.
Why do you think citing Israeli shills is relevant to me if you preface it with "but they were an Obama aide!!!"
Half of Obamas admin was riddled with Israeli shills.
*Blinken is not aware of it. I'm sure that you aren't fucking stupid enough to think that Israel emailed the intel directly to our secretary of state. Blinken made this clear himself, which you'd know if you bothered reading the shit you post:
Oh I see, so you actually just don't understand how this stuff works. Something this high profile the SoS would absolutely be involved.
You really need to work on your reading skills if you expect anyone to take you seriously, online or IRL.
And you really need to adjust the fact you're poorly educated and have no idea how the government works.
A) The white house refusing to comment doesn't suggest smoking gun evidence. If the WH had seen "smoking gun evidence" they'd say as much. This is a political crisis for Biden and he'd take any out he could, if he had it.
B) The SoS would absolutely be involved in something this high profile.
This has been a long term-term issue with people such as yourself - you don't know how anything works, so you assume others do not know how anything works.
Every action taken as a purpose in politics at this high of a level. A refusal to comment, a "I've not seen anything yet" from people this high up should not be taken at the surface level.
I’m not denying it doesn’t happen, but to assume all people who wear mascot costumes, or are furries, smoke crack and fuck all day in costume is a massive fallacy.
Wrong. If there were Hamas things going down the journos didn’t know, and if they did it doesn’t justify it anyway. Information infrastructure should be off-limits.
Who can say? Perhaps there were no windows in their offices, or they mistook the rockets for fireworks. It’s a case of he said she said, and you have to weigh the historical implications of colonialism and apartheid against the noble fury of an indigenous people displaced and abused.
So where’s the evidence lol. They utterly destroyed the building, so what’s the strategic advantage of keeping it a secret. This is still terrible for Israel’s optics.
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119 PacificSpices 2021-05-17
God, this would be SO much Drama if DDR was still in office.
Imagine the reaction if Trump's white house gave Israel the OK to bomb a news company's local HQ. Think of what could have been.
35 U_have_toxoplasmosis 2021-05-17
Pillbillies lives matter
30 Tobyghisa 2021-05-17
It would be even better if he still lost but he just had his Twitter to inform us on what he would have done if he was still POTUS.
I miss his Twitter
61 Pokanot 2021-05-17
It's just property. Can't they just use their insurance? They'll get their money back.
37 ironicshitpostr 2021-05-17
It’s just part and parcel of living in a big city why are they so upset
20 choo-chootrain 2021-05-17
Can you insure a building in the Gaza Strip?
49 ciayam 2021-05-17
You are way too invested in this tbh.
65 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
I know but the Middle East is my thing
28 ciayam 2021-05-17
Yes, you've made that very clear.
57 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
It’s a quite dramatic place filled with amazing food and people
17 TaysSecondGussy 2021-05-17
They make the Sabra Hummus right? I like it because it doesn’t taste so ethnic like the others. Supremely Spicy till the day I die.
23 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
I believe so. Although homemade hummus is always better than store bought.
11 Scummy_mofo 2021-05-17
aren't chickpea's the same as garbanzo bean? i don't wanna sound uncultural and shit
14 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
Yep they're the same thing.
2 Inevitable_Bag_3615 2021-05-17
idk I think they're different. I've never had a garbanzo bean in my mouth 🤤
14 Doctor-Pavel 2021-05-17
I bet you’ve had plenty of nuts though
5 Inevitable_Bag_3615 2021-05-17
Lots of chickpea
2 BoomersForYang2024 2021-05-17
More like chick pee 😏
3 Inevitable_Bag_3615 2021-05-17
The joke is that I consume the urine of women for (presumably) sexual purposes
1 BoomersForYang2024 2021-05-17
I appreciate your unpacking this for the uneducated masses 😎
3 DirtierChris 2021-05-17
By the time Israel gets done its not going to be so filled with people eh?
20 sixdigitthrowaway 2021-05-17
Check out his post history. He's been posting about Isr*el nonstop in arrdrama, worldnews, and stupidpol. He's obsessed.
52 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
Wow, why would he suddenly be posting about Israel?
25 ciayam 2021-05-17
I looked, and it's even worse than you described... he's not even Israeli 🤢
40 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
On one hand, Pallywood and Hamas will do anything to get international sympathy, on the other hand, Israel has repeated lied/manufactured intelligence to declare "Hamas was there" historically.
I wouldn't really trust Israel and their "intelligence" because they're very dishonest people.
34 Pepperglue 2021-05-17
4 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
I don't recall saying they were.
22 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
Smoking Gun evidence is typically irrefutable proof.
31 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
Not when said evidence isn't public and the person presenting it is notorious for fabricating evidence to justify questionable actions.
Iran, according to israeli intelligence, has been just weeks away from a nuclear weapon going on 12 years now.
13 jimmerz28 2021-05-17
Israelis are like women.
Believe 👏 all 👏 Israelis 👏
Bigot.
9 Homofascism 2021-05-17
Reported for antisemitism.
5 fuckspazlmao 2021-05-17
Obviously not true, wom*n cant drive a fucking car how the hell would they drive a 767
6 seenten 2021-05-17
Just be acutely aware of exactly what all the other tenants in your office building are doing at all times. Duh.
25 Ohsbar 2021-05-17
Smoking Gun evidence sure wasn't irrefutable for the Iraq war
2 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
Oh that clearly ended up not being smoking gun evidence like this is
2 the_marx 2021-05-17
lol you haven't seen the evidence to make this determination, fool
1 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
You're the fool, cretin!
10 Kitchen_Gun 2021-05-17
"Hey there we let Biden look under our knickers for the evidence but we can't show it to you but trust us lol"
Who believes this shit?
14 TaysSecondGussy 2021-05-17
What do you mean by this? Is it the responsibility of those defending their right to exist to make sure they get everything correct during a dynamic and critical scenario?
22 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
The only buzz-term missing from this is "open air prison."
22 TaysSecondGussy 2021-05-17
Solid feedback tbh thanks.
11 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
Thanks, I've seen "open air prison" 600 times this week so I assume it was just an error.
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3 gurthanix 2021-05-17
There is a very unstable situation on the ground that is unfolding very quickly. We have to move towards ideas that will help bring this thing to an end.
1 cassiorolex 2021-05-17
Accelerate ww3
7 languidhorse 2021-05-17
Did you just call them filthy lying jews?
4 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-17
All of this from an article in 2014. AP has known for at least 7 years that Hamas shared their office building. How could they possibly be shocked that Israel destroyed it?
4 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
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Wow color me shocked an israeli shill with a history of framing israel as the eternal victim of a grand international media conspiracy wrote an article in 2014 deflecting and shilling for the country.
Wonder what event was taking place in 2014.
1 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-17
Wow, so because he's Israeli his reporting cannot be trusted?
That's straight up racism. Goddamn, nothin brings out the anti semites like some hamas terrorism.
4 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
This isn't going to work dude. I don't give a shit about Hamas and pallywood either, they're pathological liars as well.
Crying "anti-semite" and whatever else doesn't work on anyone with a functioning brain anymore, so you better come up with something new.
2 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-17
The lines I quoted from that article are literally backed by the AP spokesman. Non jewish btw, since apparently you are racist as fuck.
There is zero justification for AP sharing office space with these hamas terrorists for 15 years, through multiple wars, and with multiple confirmed instances of the terrorists barging into their offices to harass them, and yet still expressing shock and outrage that Israel would destroy their building.
3 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
You're really bad at this, you should be fired.
A) Israel does not = the Jewish people. Israel is a country taking actions that exist independently of their ethnicity. Most jews do not even live in Israel, nor do they agree with the actions of Israel.
B) The person you cited lacks credibility not due to the fact he is jewish, but because he is an israeli victim complex shill. And no, they weren't backed up by AP, you fabricated that.
Again, you're really bad at your job and should be fired. Send me to your employer, I'll do your job better than you can, for fun.
Nobody is buying your bullshit anymore. All of the fallacious strawman arguments in the world aren't gonna roll this back.
0 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-17
Lol, you literally are incapable of reading:
Maybe you can't read things that are quoted, I'll make it nice and big for you
Colford, the AP spokesman, confirmed that armed militants entered the AP’s Gaza office in the early days of the war
Boy do you look fuckin stupid.
3 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
No, you are. At no point does anything said by AP confirm the claims made by Israel.
No, you're actually just an illiterate person. Some Hamas clowns being around the building does not mean:
A) Hamas was operating out of the building.
B) Hamas was manufacturing weapons in said building.
In fact, the part you edited out:
Weird, I wonder why you'd edit out most of that quote.
0 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-17
Obviously not? They confirmed that 1) the office invasions happened and 2) they were not reported by AP, which in turn confirms that the nice Jewish man that you immediately called a liar for no reason other than his ethnicity was telling the truth.
As for Israel's claims of Hamas activity in the building, they reportedly shared the info with US intelligence. That's enough for me. I know someone like you who automatically assumes every Jew is a liar won't be satisfied with that, but even if Israel pumped 4k video feed of a rocket being constructed in the AP offices you would still find some excuse to deny Israel the right to defend itself.
5 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
Are you really going to try to spin out of the fact you edited out most of the statement, because the statement didn't actually support a single claim made by israel?
Stop embarrassing yourself, you're either a really delusional maga-cultist or working for someone.
This is again, a lie. His ethnicity had nothing to do with it, and the only person you're tricking here is yourself.
Is it dude, because, you know, the US doesn't seem to be aware of it:
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Again, not going to work, it has been explained to you in detail why you are a liar and disingenuous.
1 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-17
Here you go, got another (non jewish, so you can believe him) person saying Hamas was in the building
Repeating for emphasis, to assist with your reading disability:
Hamas offices were in that building & they purposefully co-locate operations with civilians
If an Obama aide knew, then AP obviously did too. And if AP knew Hamas was in the building and refused to relocate, that means that they willingly became human shields. And are now expressing faux outrage as part of the blatant Hamas propaganda war. Absolutely disgusting behavior, as are you for defending it. It also lends substantial credence to Friedman's claims of biased and selective reporting on Hamas from AP, if you can get over his ethnicity.
*Blinken is not aware of it. I'm sure that you aren't fucking stupid enough to think that Israel emailed the intel directly to our secretary of state. Blinken made this clear himself, which you'd know if you bothered reading the shit you post:
I know reading quotes isn't your strong point, so I'll repeat it here
The Secretary was referring only to what he personally had seen. As he made clear, any such information would be provided to others in the administration, not directly to the secretary of State
You really need to work on your reading skills if you expect anyone to take you seriously, online or IRL.
1 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-05-17
Friend, cycling through a list of known Israeli shills to justify and defend the actions of Israel is no longer going to work for you guys.
No matter what, no matter how hard you kick, how loud you scream, or how much you cry - the days of Israeli shills being taken seriously by anyone with a functioning brain are over, period, full stop.
Why do you think citing Israeli shills is relevant to me if you preface it with "but they were an Obama aide!!!"
Half of Obamas admin was riddled with Israeli shills.
Oh I see, so you actually just don't understand how this stuff works. Something this high profile the SoS would absolutely be involved.
And you really need to adjust the fact you're poorly educated and have no idea how the government works.
A) The white house refusing to comment doesn't suggest smoking gun evidence. If the WH had seen "smoking gun evidence" they'd say as much. This is a political crisis for Biden and he'd take any out he could, if he had it.
B) The SoS would absolutely be involved in something this high profile.
This has been a long term-term issue with people such as yourself - you don't know how anything works, so you assume others do not know how anything works.
Every action taken as a purpose in politics at this high of a level. A refusal to comment, a "I've not seen anything yet" from people this high up should not be taken at the surface level.
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5 sips_white_monster 2021-05-17
Villagers are the chosen people.
9 SnapshillBot 2021-05-17
I’m not denying it doesn’t happen, but to assume all people who wear mascot costumes, or are furries, smoke crack and fuck all day in costume is a massive fallacy.
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8 DuBBle 2021-05-17
I don't trust the New York Post.
6 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2021-05-17
This was the only explanation I needed tbh.
5 TaysSecondGussy 2021-05-17
Wrong. If there were Hamas things going down the journos didn’t know, and if they did it doesn’t justify it anyway. Information infrastructure should be off-limits.
40 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
This long form Op-Ed shows how the AP not only refuses to report on things that make Hamas look bad but they were very aware of Hamas in their building because Hamas has threatened them many times in the past.
The link also explains that Hamas fired rockets right by their building yet they never reported on it.
26 TaysSecondGussy 2021-05-17
Who can say? Perhaps there were no windows in their offices, or they mistook the rockets for fireworks. It’s a case of he said she said, and you have to weigh the historical implications of colonialism and apartheid against the noble fury of an indigenous people displaced and abused.
38 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
lol
29 N0ahface 2021-05-17
Palestinians can't be terrorists sweetie, terrorism is killing civilians + power
3 Fading_Joy 2021-05-17
It might be worth noting that the author is a former IDF soldier aswell as someone who migrated to Israel
2 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
He worked for the Associated Press from 2006 to 2011. Did you question his journalistic integrity back then as well? Is there no way in your mind that a gigantic news organization may operate using groupthink? You must be a big fan of cable news for their unbiased reporting no matter the expense.
2 Fading_Joy 2021-05-17
Yeah I for sure knew the homie ten years ago and I did doubt him exclusively
That seems very much impossible considering how journalists pursue the truth, and value integrity
0 HodorTheDoorHolder__ 2021-05-17
Based on you doubting him for being Israeli, I’m sure you also doubt all local reporters in Israel and Palestine right?
9 heretobefriends 2021-05-17
"ok, ok. some sites will now be safe from airstrikes."
"hold on, let me grab a pen. ok, which sites?"
4 zhcyiDnein 2021-05-17
So where’s the evidence lol. They utterly destroyed the building, so what’s the strategic advantage of keeping it a secret. This is still terrible for Israel’s optics.
3 Big_Iron_PP 2021-05-17
Hamas bros... we just keep losing...
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1 Bummunism 2021-05-17
Check, neolibcon