Excuse me redditor but your ad hominem appeal to authority fallacy does not work on me. You'll need to stop moving the goalposts and using red herrings to discuss with intellectuals like myself.
Do you have a source on that? Source? A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
Sorry sweaty, that source doesn't count. It was written by people that don't share my political beliefs. Therefore all arguments and information contained in it is invalid. No, I haven't read it.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from those other sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
You and I both know what you're doing, but for the youngsters who read this shit I want to provide a bit of a lay-history of the talking point you're using:
The poster is raising the issue of false accusation, strategically ignoring that it is already adequately addressed by the criminal justice system (and not to mention a slam-dunk civil suit) in an attempt obfuscate any actual dialogue about sexual violence against women. He's becoming a downvote sponge because I think a lot of people can see it for the jazzed up "women lie" canard that it is, but it was surprisingly effective at circulating online spaces in the past.
Sexual violence against women is a problem that is so endemic in our society that I guarantee the reader of this comment knows a victim of it; probably more than one. I can link statistics and sources, but you need look no further than the bestof comment section of this post. It is full of women sharing their own stories of sexual abuse. Despite the fact that it is so common, very few rapists and sex offenders are actually tried and convicted for it. So if the data suggests that the real problem is all the assaults where did the "false allegation" meme/talking point come from?
The short answer is its an anti-feminist reactionary dog-whistle and rhetorical game that probably became most prominent in the immediate aftermath of gamergate in 2014, a time in which reddit went from being just casually misogynist to hosting communities of virulently anti-feminist commenters. It was (and likely continues to be) all over the MGTOW, and "mens rights activist" scene. Since then its festered as a pan-reactionary talking point in response to #MeToo, the campus rape exposes, the Brett Kavanaugh hearing, all that shit. These people apply it whenever the discussion of rape and sexual violence is raised in the common discourse.
The reason that it's so popular and useful with misogynist trolls is because it can accomplish 2 argumentative goals at once. Firstly, it immediately shifts the discourse to men's safety and reputation. Even if a liberal comment section starts debating the frequency of these allegations, it's now not talking about violence against women. You'll note that in doing so it's elevated a perceived threat to a man's reputation above a real threat to a woman's body in the discourse.
Simultaneously, it reframes the issue to one of male victimhood due to female duplicity while co-opting the language of social justice movements. Now men are being maligned and threatened with social harm (even though the real issue is girls and women getting raped), and clumsy interlocuteurs can give the impression that they're arguing against "the victims" (even though in reality that's nonsense- this isn't about truth, its about rhetoric). In this way it flows directly into the "so much for the tolerant left" meme, where misogynists who receive push-back against this shit can turn around and say "see, they don't actually care about victims, they just want women to be superior", or something to that effect.
So what can we do about it? Well, this thread is a good example. The posters who use it get downvoted and derided as fools. Replies to these comments are better served either mocking them, or simply talking to the audience (like the comment I'm making now does), rather than attempt to argue with them directly. Direct argumentation is a waste of time because they're arguing in bad faith. They don't need to believe or prove their point to accomplish the rhetorical goals of their "argument", they just need liberals to talk about it. So mock them, downvote them, take the piss, and educate others on where this shit comes from, so we can all be better at spotting it and stamping it out in the future.
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70 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2021-05-19
Excuse me redditor but your ad hominem appeal to authority fallacy does not work on me. You'll need to stop moving the goalposts and using red herrings to discuss with intellectuals like myself.
44 canipaybycheck 2021-05-19
Also, you're arguing in bad faith with hidden motives, while we are 100% pure hearted with no unstated goals or desires.
14 AugustinesBitchBoy 2021-05-19
This issue is not black and white, it's grey. Please read the following 6 paragraph rage post about how much I hate you and think you're an r-slur.
17 AdmiralDickover 2021-05-19
Do you have a source on that? Source? A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
Sorry sweaty, that source doesn't count. It was written by people that don't share my political beliefs. Therefore all arguments and information contained in it is invalid. No, I haven't read it.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from those other sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
2 JacquesMeHoff69 2021-05-19
http://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
69 MYNAMEjef174652 2021-05-19
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/038/094/0a1.jpg
34 itsnotmyfault 2021-05-19
As I skimmed through it, the word "gamergate" jumped out at me and I knew I must post it. RIP text posts.
15 lol_te_gusto 2021-05-19
Longpostbot can't scan imagetextpost.jpg yet, otherwise xhe giga auto janni 350kX$0 bot would clean it up
13 Sprpr2 2021-05-19
You didn't miss much of substance.
47 Unnaturalmilk02 2021-05-19
GamerGate is the fault for everything that has happened since 2014, including ISIS and the rise of China
17 -Kite-Man- 2021-05-19
nah those two were obama
gamergate did do everything else though. israel comes to mind
36 vrzv 2021-05-19
Didn't read lol
31 lol_te_gusto 2021-05-19
Who would? Honestly, just another online rambling by a literal "who?"
35 Bagtot 2021-05-19
TLDR: MRA evil and comes from Gamergate. Something about them not talking about women enough.
14 lol_te_gusto 2021-05-19
Gussy has all the attention but, want even more?
31 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-19
"for the youngsters"
from the person who writes like a child.
25 tiptopkitkat 2021-05-19
Zoz
17 lol_te_gusto 2021-05-19
You have to be chosen
24 trailerparkmalarkey 2021-05-19
Any therefore never send to know,
For whom the bot zozzles
6 SocratesScissors 2021-05-19
It zozzles for thee. 🤖💤
3 tiptopkitkat 2021-05-19
There can be only one
22 Coonass_alt 2021-05-19
reddit moment
20 Jiganada 2021-05-19
Mock them, downvote them, reddit is serious business.
15 AllAmericanHomo69 2021-05-19
WORDS
13 itsnotmyfault 2021-05-19
You and I both know what you're doing, but for the youngsters who read this shit I want to provide a bit of a lay-history of the talking point you're using:
The poster is raising the issue of false accusation, strategically ignoring that it is already adequately addressed by the criminal justice system (and not to mention a slam-dunk civil suit) in an attempt obfuscate any actual dialogue about sexual violence against women. He's becoming a downvote sponge because I think a lot of people can see it for the jazzed up "women lie" canard that it is, but it was surprisingly effective at circulating online spaces in the past.
Sexual violence against women is a problem that is so endemic in our society that I guarantee the reader of this comment knows a victim of it; probably more than one. I can link statistics and sources, but you need look no further than the bestof comment section of this post. It is full of women sharing their own stories of sexual abuse. Despite the fact that it is so common, very few rapists and sex offenders are actually tried and convicted for it. So if the data suggests that the real problem is all the assaults where did the "false allegation" meme/talking point come from?
The short answer is its an anti-feminist reactionary dog-whistle and rhetorical game that probably became most prominent in the immediate aftermath of gamergate in 2014, a time in which reddit went from being just casually misogynist to hosting communities of virulently anti-feminist commenters. It was (and likely continues to be) all over the MGTOW, and "mens rights activist" scene. Since then its festered as a pan-reactionary talking point in response to #MeToo, the campus rape exposes, the Brett Kavanaugh hearing, all that shit. These people apply it whenever the discussion of rape and sexual violence is raised in the common discourse.
The reason that it's so popular and useful with misogynist trolls is because it can accomplish 2 argumentative goals at once. Firstly, it immediately shifts the discourse to men's safety and reputation. Even if a liberal comment section starts debating the frequency of these allegations, it's now not talking about violence against women. You'll note that in doing so it's elevated a perceived threat to a man's reputation above a real threat to a woman's body in the discourse.
Simultaneously, it reframes the issue to one of male victimhood due to female duplicity while co-opting the language of social justice movements. Now men are being maligned and threatened with social harm (even though the real issue is girls and women getting raped), and clumsy interlocuteurs can give the impression that they're arguing against "the victims" (even though in reality that's nonsense- this isn't about truth, its about rhetoric). In this way it flows directly into the "so much for the tolerant left" meme, where misogynists who receive push-back against this shit can turn around and say "see, they don't actually care about victims, they just want women to be superior", or something to that effect.
So what can we do about it? Well, this thread is a good example. The posters who use it get downvoted and derided as fools. Replies to these comments are better served either mocking them, or simply talking to the audience (like the comment I'm making now does), rather than attempt to argue with them directly. Direct argumentation is a waste of time because they're arguing in bad faith. They don't need to believe or prove their point to accomplish the rhetorical goals of their "argument", they just need liberals to talk about it. So mock them, downvote them, take the piss, and educate others on where this shit comes from, so we can all be better at spotting it and stamping it out in the future.
11 -Kite-Man- 2021-05-19
so what was he replying to?
2 TheOverSeether 2021-05-19
Platonic Truth.
2 zkube 2021-05-19
Where's the lie
13 ProudCapitalist1776 2021-05-19
That's a whole lot of WORDS WORDS WORDS
9 Brevion 2021-05-19
Mucho texto
7 shinlo36 2021-05-19
Classic women, ego so big yet so fragile.
7 orangetato 2021-05-19
Gaymergate is really the gift that keeps on giving. 8 years on and people are still crying about it
6 TheOverSeether 2021-05-19
The Postmodern Left, ladies and gentlemen.
6 SwiftOnSobriety 2021-05-19
Before Gamergate Israelis and Palestinians lived in glorious harmony.
5 ThrowRACF75 2021-05-19
I will never ever read any of that
3 AntiP--sOperations 2021-05-19
Too long didn't read.
3 __TIE_Guy 2021-05-19
I ain't reading that.