It was intended as a critique of stalinist/leninist communism and general authoritarianism. In practice, it also disses the idea of revolution in general (which is a critique of communism given that "true communism" necessitates violent revolution) as being misguided and easily hijacked.
To be completely honest, I've never understood communism's obsession with violent revolution. It's on the same tier of logic as that one conspiracy theory that leftists have about Christians wanting Jews in Israel to start the rapture. Still haven't met an actual Christian who believes that. Maybe that's just how these people think and they project it out on the world.
. It's on the same tier of logic as that one conspiracy theory that leftists have about Christians wanting Jews in Israel to start the rapture. Still haven't met an actual Christian who believes that.
I went to an evangelical private school for K-8 and I can say it's a very common opinion. They think the "Holy Land" should be a Bible theme park staffed by (((proto-Christians))) that they can visit sometimes and eventually set off the rapture. The rapture is also both bad and good and you are supposed to not want it to happen and want it to happen at the same time. Granted I was going to school when "The Left Behind" series was still being written and was at the height of its popularity with these types. That had to influence it.
Evangelical K-8 school sounds like about the craziest of the crazies in the religious sphere. I think judging any large body by the craziest is a bit daft, granted everyone does it but itâs still quite dumb. The vast majority of support for Israel has no connection to crazy conspiracy theories and to hear leftoids talk like rightoids is a scary development.
Evangelical K-8 school sounds like about the craziest of the crazies in the religious sphere. I think judging any large body by the craziest is a bit daft
I probably should have said "It was a very common opinion in that group in that time period". I honestly have no idea what evangelicals think of Israel now because I don't really know any.
The school was pretty crazy though. We had Footloose-style parents that thought dancing was a sin. Once a year we were visited by the "Dinosaur man" that would explain to us why evolution was fake, radiocarbon dating don't real, and people used to live to be 900 years old because the atmosphere was encased in a giant ice shell. At least we got to watch Veggietales.
that one conspiracy theory that leftists have about Christians wanting Jews in Israel to start the rapture. Still haven't met an actual Christian who believes that.
This is not a conspiracy theory. Plenty of evangelicals absolutely do believe this.
I have met more communists who believe this exists than Evangelicals who actually believe it (which is to say more than one commies and none of the Evangelicals). Itâs just a bizzaro cope from muricans who canât comprehend that people can disagree with them politically without being crazy.
I've never understood communism's obsession with violent revolution
Violent revolution is essentially a necessary condition to establishment of true, full-blown communism because (a) most Western-style governments are jammed full of parliamentary procedures and checks/balances geared towards incremental progress rather than swift change and (b) you'll always have a large portion of society (talking 30-40% at least) that aren't going to agree to full out redistribution of their shit at a level that's really prescribed by socialism, so even if you get 50%+ of the society in favor, (a) is a safety valve for (b).
youâll always have a large portion of society (talking 30-40% at least) that arenât going to agree to full out redistribution of their shit at a level thatâs really prescribed by socialism
Sorry to burst your bubble but the rapture was mathematically predicted by Camping back in 2011. The rapture already happened, we just dont have an entry ticket upstairs
The message I got from it was more that everyone in power is corrupt, even if the people or party that started the revolution/movement had good intentions at first
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Yes, I suppose that is very true, but may I ask another question?âWhat do you consider to be the greatest blessing which you have reaped from your drama posting?
Also I just realized that like zoomers that say stuff like "Truuuuuuuuuuueeee" when you give them a good point comes from Plato's republic.
Reminder that history isnt a circle. Its just just a heaving mass of breathing Jungian primordial Archetypes.
Been near two decades for me. But think about how many people in high school just sparknoted that shit. I think maybe 10% of all even Advanced Lit students in Highschool actually read the books. And I dont blame them, chasing girls and doing other shit is way more fun.
Save that book nerd ass geek shit till you are 25+
I remember when V was the big thing all the proto-anarchists and boomer media used to cry about anytime something political happened, especially around 2010-12. Then 1984 took over. What happened?
Been near two decades for me. But think about how many people in high school just sparknoted that shit. I think maybe 10% of all even Advanced Lit students in Highschool actually read the books. And I dont blame them, chasing girls and doing other shit is way more fun.
Save that book nerd ass geek shit till you are 25+
I just recall thinking it was kind of a slow read with lots of inconsequential words words words. But then again I wasn't reading explicitly for analysis or anything.
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107 Aaronburr4president 2021-05-28
How could one man be soo brave ty for this đ
61 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
I wonder how many people reference 1984 without reading it.
Kind of like how rightoids like animal farm despite the author being a socialist.
48 Hoes_very_Mad 2021-05-28
It's been a while since I read that book but isn't it basically a story about why socialism/communism will never work?
142 napoleon_nottinghill 2021-05-28
Itâs him still seething about how his anarchist bros got btfoâd by Stalin in Spain
78 HAthrowaway50 2021-05-28
this is unironically the most accurate take
73 quitsocmedia 2021-05-28
It was intended as a critique of stalinist/leninist communism and general authoritarianism. In practice, it also disses the idea of revolution in general (which is a critique of communism given that "true communism" necessitates violent revolution) as being misguided and easily hijacked.
To be completely honest, I've never understood communism's obsession with violent revolution. It's on the same tier of logic as that one conspiracy theory that leftists have about Christians wanting Jews in Israel to start the rapture. Still haven't met an actual Christian who believes that. Maybe that's just how these people think and they project it out on the world.
22 Copeshit 2021-05-28
Probably because the rapture is something unique to Angl*-Burgerstani protozoans that didn't existed until the 1820s.
9 DuckSosu 2021-05-28
I went to an evangelical private school for K-8 and I can say it's a very common opinion. They think the "Holy Land" should be a Bible theme park staffed by (((proto-Christians))) that they can visit sometimes and eventually set off the rapture. The rapture is also both bad and good and you are supposed to not want it to happen and want it to happen at the same time. Granted I was going to school when "The Left Behind" series was still being written and was at the height of its popularity with these types. That had to influence it.
6 quitsocmedia 2021-05-28
Evangelical K-8 school sounds like about the craziest of the crazies in the religious sphere. I think judging any large body by the craziest is a bit daft, granted everyone does it but itâs still quite dumb. The vast majority of support for Israel has no connection to crazy conspiracy theories and to hear leftoids talk like rightoids is a scary development.
12 DuckSosu 2021-05-28
I probably should have said "It was a very common opinion in that group in that time period". I honestly have no idea what evangelicals think of Israel now because I don't really know any.
The school was pretty crazy though. We had Footloose-style parents that thought dancing was a sin. Once a year we were visited by the "Dinosaur man" that would explain to us why evolution was fake, radiocarbon dating don't real, and people used to live to be 900 years old because the atmosphere was encased in a giant ice shell. At least we got to watch Veggietales.
9 quitsocmedia 2021-05-28
dub
6 HP_civ 2021-05-28
True words have never been spoken
7 MagicalZamboni 2021-05-28
This is not a conspiracy theory. Plenty of evangelicals absolutely do believe this.
22 quitsocmedia 2021-05-28
I have met more communists who believe this exists than Evangelicals who actually believe it (which is to say more than one commies and none of the Evangelicals). Itâs just a bizzaro cope from muricans who canât comprehend that people can disagree with them politically without being crazy.
6 Unironic_IRL_Jannie 2021-05-28
Literally every evangelical I've met believes this crazy stuff lol
But of course so do all tankies
2 CoomerSheriff 2021-05-28
Am evangelical. Don't believe it.
15 WholesomeDrama 2021-05-28
Bro it's the internet....... U don't have to admit embarrassing things...
1 CoomerSheriff 2021-05-28
imagine being a... ...Allah forgive me for uttering this word... ...atheist đ¤Ž
4 Unironic_IRL_Jannie 2021-05-28
Go to an Alabama Baptist or Pentecostal church
6 PunishedBagel 2021-05-28
That is not evangelical.
1 Unironic_IRL_Jannie 2021-05-28
Are you that rslurred
2 thajugganuat 2021-05-28
I bet he thinks catholics aren't Christian
1 I_Shah 2021-05-28
They arenât
1 PunishedBagel 2021-05-28
Probably, but itâs still not. Evangelical is a denomination separate from Baptist or Pentecostal.
3 Unironic_IRL_Jannie 2021-05-28
After some googling you're technically right, but I'm pretty sure most people in those churches label themselves as "evangelical"
0 PunishedBagel 2021-05-28
No. They do not. They label themselves as southern Baptist or Pentecostal, like you said.
3 Unironic_IRL_Jannie 2021-05-28
So when they refer to evangelical voters they're referring to a very small subset of the Christian population đ¤
1 PunishedBagel 2021-05-28
Those who refer to âevangelical voters,â as a collective group, are often brain dead idiots. They really just mean Christians.
1 Unironic_IRL_Jannie 2021-05-28
I mean that was most likely the context of the comment but I'm done cereal posting
1 PunishedBagel 2021-05-28
I have never met one
7 cawksmash 2021-05-28
Violent revolution is essentially a necessary condition to establishment of true, full-blown communism because (a) most Western-style governments are jammed full of parliamentary procedures and checks/balances geared towards incremental progress rather than swift change and (b) you'll always have a large portion of society (talking 30-40% at least) that aren't going to agree to full out redistribution of their shit at a level that's really prescribed by socialism, so even if you get 50%+ of the society in favor, (a) is a safety valve for (b).
2 quitsocmedia 2021-05-28
Truly, the American Liberal Democracy is immunized against all Authoritarianism.
1 I_Shah 2021-05-28
*90% minimum
3 roaming_bartender 2021-05-28
Sorry to burst your bubble but the rapture was mathematically predicted by Camping back in 2011. The rapture already happened, we just dont have an entry ticket upstairs
2 quitsocmedia 2021-05-28
Truly drama is hell
31 CharredScallions 2021-05-28
It's about authoritarianism. Orwell was a socialist, but not of the type that's been implemented in most countries that have tried or are trying it.
11 california_quail 2021-05-28
Orwell would have been a big fan of Rojava.
28 Anglogang 2021-05-28
The message I got from it was more that everyone in power is corrupt, even if the people or party that started the revolution/movement had good intentions at first
11 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
Not really. Was just him being butthurt about stalinism
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14 b95csf 2021-05-28
it's a condemnation of the utter and abject failure of the (socialist) revolution in Russia so
7 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
Yeah yeah yeah that's why it like wasn't published before ww2 was over
6 b95csf 2021-05-28
what do you mean?
8 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
Published August 1945
Only the Japanese on there home islands and some Malaysia and Philippines strongholds were left. Maybe some in Manchuria.
The war was over in. July 1944 anyways. Hitler was running out of manpower and competent generals like the USA was with toilet paper a year ago.
-2 b95csf 2021-05-28
and?
3 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
What is your point?
18 htmlcoderexe 2021-05-28
You both argue wrong, you aren't nearly smug enough
4 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
Yes, I suppose that is very true, but may I ask another question?âWhat do you consider to be the greatest blessing which you have reaped from your drama posting?
Also I just realized that like zoomers that say stuff like "Truuuuuuuuuuueeee" when you give them a good point comes from Plato's republic.
Reminder that history isnt a circle. Its just just a heaving mass of breathing Jungian primordial Archetypes.
https://gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm#link2H_4_0004
(this shitpost brought to you by shitty starbucks coffee gang. god damn the coffee in this west coast shit hole sucks)
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2 Ferocetis 2021-05-28
I've read it. But so long time ago the year could be 1984...
V for Vendetta is fresher in my mind at this point.
4 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
Been near two decades for me. But think about how many people in high school just sparknoted that shit. I think maybe 10% of all even Advanced Lit students in Highschool actually read the books. And I dont blame them, chasing girls and doing other shit is way more fun.
Save that book nerd ass geek shit till you are 25+
3 catsundae666 2021-05-28
>V for Vendetta
I remember when V was the big thing all the proto-anarchists and boomer media used to cry about anytime something political happened, especially around 2010-12. Then 1984 took over. What happened?
2 Ferocetis 2021-05-28
1984 got a better movie.
1 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
Been near two decades for me. But think about how many people in high school just sparknoted that shit. I think maybe 10% of all even Advanced Lit students in Highschool actually read the books. And I dont blame them, chasing girls and doing other shit is way more fun.
Save that book nerd ass geek shit till you are 25+
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1 Ferocetis 2021-05-28
Nah, I will continue reading Pratchett. I am done reading complicated books.
1 seenten 2021-05-28
I just recall thinking it was kind of a slow read with lots of inconsequential words words words. But then again I wasn't reading explicitly for analysis or anything.
-3 lol_te_gusto 2021-05-28
U mean anti socialist
5 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell#Spanish_Civil_War_and_socialism
shut the fuck up
45 fuck_your_worldview 2021-05-28
A bussy slapping a human face - for ever.
18 boiifyoudont123468 2021-05-28
Literally 1985
5 fuck_your_worldview 2021-05-28
Glee except itâs members of the Junior Anti Sex League
9 NoCrowShow 2021-05-28
https://everpress.imgix.net/assets/5fca10e00d4903.79503692.jpg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW1wV6gTq2U
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Guy told his mom bussy means boy in French
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-4 the-peanut-gallery 2021-05-28
I like gussy better.
14 WholesomeDrama 2021-05-28
I rarely downvote. Uve earned urs
4 the-peanut-gallery 2021-05-28
Thanks.
-40 crippylicious 2021-05-28
Bussy (boy pussy) should be a transmasculine exclusive term, not just a word for cisgays to describe their assholes.
Edit: dear god stop this madness I didn't realize it was AAVE don't crucify me!
43 Apprehensive-Quote83 2021-05-28
Die. đž
26 IraqiLobster 2021-05-28
These goldfish-memorycels donât remember the tweet
19 voice_of_ukraine 2021-05-28
everyone replying to you should keep themselves safe
15 kratoswithcappuccino 2021-05-28
Words
10 cassiorolex 2021-05-28
Trying too hard bruh. It's ok, smoke some weed and pound one out.