I like how their own bullshit is being weaponized against them now.
Though I do always find it funny when they whine about "body shaming" then turn around telling men they have small dicks for daring to disagree with them on the internet.
Of course you’d defend this pizza, nah but seriously from what i read small cocks are caused by being fat, not having enough testosterone or being english. So if we went back to encouraging people to exercise we’d up the cock size of the world’s population. It’s also weird that white women won’t date asian guys, but are happy with mayo men
This has caused South Korea to have increasingly negative views about feminism and feminist organisations are being boycotted and shut down. I mean what did they expect? How dumb are these feminists that they thought this would help them?
Some are, others are trying to link this back to thier issues and saying that's the reason. Just really weird mental gymnastics to say why this is necessary for the cause. Bruh just say you wanna make fun of thier small dicks.
An emoji mocking a man's manhood spurs a reverse #metoo in South Korea - Los Angeles Times
When the “pinching hand” emoji — depicting a thumb and index finger about an inch apart — first appeared in 2019, the internet happily went to work.
“A new emoji to mock men,” Vice declared on its website.
“May change sexting forever,” read a Buzzfeed headline.
“If you’re one of the people going to the press to protest this emoji being used to mock small penises, your secret is out,” Stephen Colbert quipped on “The Late Show.”
In South Korea, though, the image has been no laughing matter.
In recent weeks, the hand, once used as a logo by a now-defunct radical feminist group, has become a point of contention in a charged battle over gender and anti-feminist backlash. Men’s rights groups have taken to searching for the image included in various posters and ad campaigns, in a McCarthyistic hunt for companies, organizations or their employees sympathetic to feminism, targeting them with boycotts or a barrage of complaints. A round logo depicts fingers in a pinch above a wreath of leaves, with the words, We support your change
It is a startling, some would say surreal, reversal of the #MeToo movement — men who for generations controlled society suddenly feeling affronted by women taking aim at their bodies.
But for them, the sign is proof that hatred of men is pervasive in today’s South Korea and that radical feminism is out of control. And their campaigns have proved effective: Major corporations have disciplined or demoted employees for advertisements that used the pinching hand, government ministries and municipalities have apologized and revamped promotional material, museums have dismantled displays and celebrities have seen their careers threatened.
The episode is the latest uproar in an intensifying war over gender and fairness dividing the country, and a show of force by a segment of young men who increasingly resent feminism, feel victimized by the women’s movement and believe the scales are, in fact, tipped against them rather than the other way around.
It’s a phenomenon in line with an internet-fueled backlash against feminism that’s emerged in China, the United Kingdom and the U.S. especially among Gen Z men, many of whom charge that feminism has “gone too far” and gripe that men are being unfairly maligned, falsely accused, mocked and muzzled.
South Korea remains one of the most unequal societies in the developed world, judging by metrics including disparity in pay, labor participation rates or women in leadership positions. Women have long faced discrimination and sexism and are still subject to rigid patriarchal expectations. Even so, a rise in feminist activism here in recent years has been met with fierce resistance, particularly among men in their 20s who feel they are bearing the cost of correcting a previous generation’s inequalities. They especially feel disadvantaged by the fact that all South Korean men, but not women, are required to serve in the military.
“The younger generation suffers from frustration and economic precarity,” said Jinsook Kim, a post-doctorate researcher at the University of Pennsylvania and media studies scholar who has studied online feminism and backlash in South Korea. “The problem is, these young Korean men, they ascribe their sense of victimhood or precarity not to government or policies, but to women who they see as preventing them from receiving their due.”
Park Won-ik, an author who has written several books about online hate under the nom de plume Bakkabun, said young men are drawn to extreme views because they’ve been left out of the conversation by the current liberal government and a press too eager to listen to women’s concerns while ignoring legitimate problems facing today’s young men.
“The biggest issue is that in the press or in politics, there was no outlet to represent young men’s voices, and the grievances piled up,” he said. “Everyone has their predicaments, but only one side is prioritized.”
While anti-feminism has been associated with alt-right movements elsewhere, in South Korea, suspicion of and antipathy toward feminism are gaining broad-based support. More than 65% of South Korean men in their 20s said they equated feminism with hatred of men, according to a 2018 survey by the Korean Women’s Development Institute, and 56.5% said they would break up with their girlfriend if she was a feminist.
“Feminism is a mental illness” has become a common refrain in some street protests by men’s rights activists. One columnist wrote in 2015 that “mindless feminism” was “more dangerous than the Islamic State” militant group.
Many analysts suggested that the results of April’s mayoral elections in the capital, Seoul, and the country’s second-largest city, Busan, which were swept by the conservative opposition, were driven by the discontent among young men.
The pinching hand entered the gender debate in South Korea in 2015, years before it became an emoji. That year, a group of South Korean women fed up with widespread misogyny on male-dominated online forums decided the best way to push back was to give as good as they got.
They began referring to men by their genitals, as men had often done of women. They created male versions of online slang that was degrading to women, and reverted sexist idioms — “A woman’s voice should never go beyond the fence,” “Women and dried fish need a pounding once every three days” — against men. They ridiculed and belittled men based on their physical appearance, and often, the size of their appendage.
The group of women called itself “Megalia” and chose as its unabashed emblem the image of a pinching hand. The controversial online forum lasted barely a year before it disintegrated over internal disputes.
There was no outlet to represent young men’s voices, and the grievances piled up.
Park Won-ik, author
Even so, the group — and its brand of feminism — continues to reverberate and dominate gender debates and criticisms of the women’s movement.
In 2016, a voice actor for a video game was fired after she posted a photo of herself online in a T-shirt that read “Girls do not need a prince,” which was sold by an offshoot group of Megalia. In 2018, men and women came to blows at a pub in Seoul after an argument in which they yelled the insults popularized online at each other — the women shouting “6.9,” the average penis size of Korean men in centimeters according to one 2003 study, and men retorting by calling them “Megal bitch.”
In April, a branch of the convenience store chain GS25 faced criticism after a job posting specified that applicants should not be a feminist, leading to an apology from the corporate headquarters.
The next month, the chain ran a promotional campaign for camping goods, which included the pinching hand reaching for a small sausage. Male-dominated forums erupted with accusations that the ad was hateful to men. GS25 again apologized and edited, then retracted the ad. Even so, the chain faced boycotts and protests outside its headquarters demanding the designer of the poster be fired. The company later announced it had disciplined the designer, and reassigned supervisors and executives.
“They don’t want to be associated with feminism because they’re afraid of losing customers,” said Kim, the University of Pennsylvania researcher.
Ha Heon-gi, a former legislative aide and founder of the media consultancy New Communication Lab, said the men behind the effort were taking a page from the feminists’ book and using methods they’ve seen employed by women to object to misogynistic statements or practices and extract apologies or topple powerful men.
“It’s tit for tat. You’ve taken issue with ridiculous things so we do the same,” he said. “It’s a sense of political efficacy, that collective action works. Women got together in one voice and were listened to. Men didn’t have that experience and now they’re making their will known as consumers.”
Ha, 31, said he was aware women were still at a disadvantage in South Korea and remembered his grandparents’ preference for sons growing up. Even so, he said the women’s movement was breeding discontent by lumping together all men without acknowledging the fast-changing circumstances under which today’s young men were raised.
“The tensions that arise in the course of correcting inequality need to be resolved, but they’ve been ignored and dismissed,” he said. “Because there’s inequality, you must go along. Discontent inevitably arises, but no one in the media or in politics listens.”
Kim Seok-hwan, 28, didn’t participate in the GS25 boycott. But earlier in the year, he stopped buying books at Kyobo Book Center — where he used to purchase about 10 a month — after an employee for the bookseller accidentally retweeted remarks that he took to be derogatory to Korean men from the store’s official account.
The aspiring law student said he was sympathetic to feminist causes and the need for equality, and knew violence against women was a problem, but felt increasingly turned off by the polarizing rhetoric that seemed to be more moral grandstanding rather than constructive debate.
“We’re in a situation where people are muzzled, and everyone is afraid to say the wrong thing,” he said.
He said his generation was raised in an environment where his female peers were student leaders and heads of groups.
“These are people we’ve been competing with on an even playing field,” he said. “So when the patriarchal order of the past is used to attack our generation, that feels unreasonable.”
Women’s groups and South Korea’s National Human Rights Commission have expressed concerns that the backlash against feminism has led to women being silenced or disadvantaged in the workplace for expressing their opinions on gender issues.
It’s a trend that has ensnared even K-pop stars, who have been harassed for having a phone case that said “Girls can do anything” or reading a novel about discrimination faced by women.
“It makes it more difficult to speak up when you’re subject to discriminatory comments, and deprives women of the right to work in a comfortable and relaxed atmosphere,” said Park Hyo-won, an activist with the group Korean Womenlink. “It’s being used as a witch hunt.”
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112 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-06-12
I like how their own bullshit is being weaponized against them now.
Though I do always find it funny when they whine about "body shaming" then turn around telling men they have small dicks for daring to disagree with them on the internet.
46 offshoreredditaccnt 2021-06-12
Of course you’d defend this pizza, nah but seriously from what i read small cocks are caused by being fat, not having enough testosterone or being english. So if we went back to encouraging people to exercise we’d up the cock size of the world’s population. It’s also weird that white women won’t date asian guys, but are happy with mayo men
45 Exotic_Ad7433 2021-06-12
I'm not defending anything? I'm just laughing about how their own tactics have been turned against them.
I'm a big fan of logical consistency, if feminists want to whine about body shaming all over social media, they should be held to the same standard.
27 offshoreredditaccnt 2021-06-12
Dicklet cope
17 CleetusTheDragon 2021-06-12
My superior Semetic genes cancelled out all my inferior British genes and gave me a giant cock
4 offshoreredditaccnt 2021-06-12
Based
13 chanbr 2021-06-12
Pizza I love you
80 TedhaHaiParMeraHai 2021-06-12
Someone post this to aznidentity for extra buttery drama.
51 offshoreredditaccnt 2021-06-12
Just did, check my profile
Comments i got:
And honestly this last one is based:
51 LeDarkElbow 2021-06-12
Reminder that most incels posting on incelforums are Indians and East Asians.
Source: I am a beta bitchboy that vaguely remembers some poll.
16 TedhaHaiParMeraHai 2021-06-12
whitoid cope
23 LeDarkElbow 2021-06-12
I mentioned Indians specifically when i couldve just said Asians. What nationality do you think I am?
15 TedhaHaiParMeraHai 2021-06-12
TBF, you don't see many pakicels here.
9 LeDarkElbow 2021-06-12
And thats a good thing. Only people I hate more than others, is my own.
5 knowspickers 2021-06-12
Eskimo
34 Blowyourdad69 2021-06-12
I'm sure the pinching emoji is especially stinging for Koreans, no wonder theyre so pissed.
23 tolbolton 2021-06-12
Small pepe 😎
23 offshoreredditaccnt 2021-06-12
“Have small penis? Feels bad man” -Asian guys, nah just kidding asian guys are nice but it’s still a funny stereotype
18 SnapshillBot 2021-06-12
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8 carly_rae_bopsen 2021-06-12
This has caused South Korea to have increasingly negative views about feminism and feminist organisations are being boycotted and shut down. I mean what did they expect? How dumb are these feminists that they thought this would help them?
9 jackcaboose 2021-06-12
They didn't think it would help, they just want to create seethe. We should be supporting them in this endeavour, for the sake of dramacoin.
4 carly_rae_bopsen 2021-06-12
Some are, others are trying to link this back to thier issues and saying that's the reason. Just really weird mental gymnastics to say why this is necessary for the cause. Bruh just say you wanna make fun of thier small dicks.
7 artemis_m_oswald 2021-06-12
South Korea is based
6 RickshawRandy 2021-06-12
🐳🐳🐳
6 carly_rae_bopsen 2021-06-12
1/2
An emoji mocking a man's manhood spurs a reverse #metoo in South Korea - Los Angeles Times
When the “pinching hand” emoji — depicting a thumb and index finger about an inch apart — first appeared in 2019, the internet happily went to work.
“A new emoji to mock men,” Vice declared on its website.
“May change sexting forever,” read a Buzzfeed headline.
“If you’re one of the people going to the press to protest this emoji being used to mock small penises, your secret is out,” Stephen Colbert quipped on “The Late Show.”
In South Korea, though, the image has been no laughing matter.
In recent weeks, the hand, once used as a logo by a now-defunct radical feminist group, has become a point of contention in a charged battle over gender and anti-feminist backlash. Men’s rights groups have taken to searching for the image included in various posters and ad campaigns, in a McCarthyistic hunt for companies, organizations or their employees sympathetic to feminism, targeting them with boycotts or a barrage of complaints. A round logo depicts fingers in a pinch above a wreath of leaves, with the words, We support your change
It is a startling, some would say surreal, reversal of the #MeToo movement — men who for generations controlled society suddenly feeling affronted by women taking aim at their bodies.
But for them, the sign is proof that hatred of men is pervasive in today’s South Korea and that radical feminism is out of control. And their campaigns have proved effective: Major corporations have disciplined or demoted employees for advertisements that used the pinching hand, government ministries and municipalities have apologized and revamped promotional material, museums have dismantled displays and celebrities have seen their careers threatened.
The episode is the latest uproar in an intensifying war over gender and fairness dividing the country, and a show of force by a segment of young men who increasingly resent feminism, feel victimized by the women’s movement and believe the scales are, in fact, tipped against them rather than the other way around.
It’s a phenomenon in line with an internet-fueled backlash against feminism that’s emerged in China, the United Kingdom and the U.S. especially among Gen Z men, many of whom charge that feminism has “gone too far” and gripe that men are being unfairly maligned, falsely accused, mocked and muzzled.
South Korea remains one of the most unequal societies in the developed world, judging by metrics including disparity in pay, labor participation rates or women in leadership positions. Women have long faced discrimination and sexism and are still subject to rigid patriarchal expectations. Even so, a rise in feminist activism here in recent years has been met with fierce resistance, particularly among men in their 20s who feel they are bearing the cost of correcting a previous generation’s inequalities. They especially feel disadvantaged by the fact that all South Korean men, but not women, are required to serve in the military.
“The younger generation suffers from frustration and economic precarity,” said Jinsook Kim, a post-doctorate researcher at the University of Pennsylvania and media studies scholar who has studied online feminism and backlash in South Korea. “The problem is, these young Korean men, they ascribe their sense of victimhood or precarity not to government or policies, but to women who they see as preventing them from receiving their due.”
Park Won-ik, an author who has written several books about online hate under the nom de plume Bakkabun, said young men are drawn to extreme views because they’ve been left out of the conversation by the current liberal government and a press too eager to listen to women’s concerns while ignoring legitimate problems facing today’s young men.
“The biggest issue is that in the press or in politics, there was no outlet to represent young men’s voices, and the grievances piled up,” he said. “Everyone has their predicaments, but only one side is prioritized.”
While anti-feminism has been associated with alt-right movements elsewhere, in South Korea, suspicion of and antipathy toward feminism are gaining broad-based support. More than 65% of South Korean men in their 20s said they equated feminism with hatred of men, according to a 2018 survey by the Korean Women’s Development Institute, and 56.5% said they would break up with their girlfriend if she was a feminist.
“Feminism is a mental illness” has become a common refrain in some street protests by men’s rights activists. One columnist wrote in 2015 that “mindless feminism” was “more dangerous than the Islamic State” militant group.
Many analysts suggested that the results of April’s mayoral elections in the capital, Seoul, and the country’s second-largest city, Busan, which were swept by the conservative opposition, were driven by the discontent among young men.
The pinching hand entered the gender debate in South Korea in 2015, years before it became an emoji. That year, a group of South Korean women fed up with widespread misogyny on male-dominated online forums decided the best way to push back was to give as good as they got.
They began referring to men by their genitals, as men had often done of women. They created male versions of online slang that was degrading to women, and reverted sexist idioms — “A woman’s voice should never go beyond the fence,” “Women and dried fish need a pounding once every three days” — against men. They ridiculed and belittled men based on their physical appearance, and often, the size of their appendage.
5 carly_rae_bopsen 2021-06-12
2/2
The group of women called itself “Megalia” and chose as its unabashed emblem the image of a pinching hand. The controversial online forum lasted barely a year before it disintegrated over internal disputes.
There was no outlet to represent young men’s voices, and the grievances piled up.
Park Won-ik, author
Even so, the group — and its brand of feminism — continues to reverberate and dominate gender debates and criticisms of the women’s movement.
In 2016, a voice actor for a video game was fired after she posted a photo of herself online in a T-shirt that read “Girls do not need a prince,” which was sold by an offshoot group of Megalia. In 2018, men and women came to blows at a pub in Seoul after an argument in which they yelled the insults popularized online at each other — the women shouting “6.9,” the average penis size of Korean men in centimeters according to one 2003 study, and men retorting by calling them “Megal bitch.”
In April, a branch of the convenience store chain GS25 faced criticism after a job posting specified that applicants should not be a feminist, leading to an apology from the corporate headquarters.
The next month, the chain ran a promotional campaign for camping goods, which included the pinching hand reaching for a small sausage. Male-dominated forums erupted with accusations that the ad was hateful to men. GS25 again apologized and edited, then retracted the ad. Even so, the chain faced boycotts and protests outside its headquarters demanding the designer of the poster be fired. The company later announced it had disciplined the designer, and reassigned supervisors and executives.
“They don’t want to be associated with feminism because they’re afraid of losing customers,” said Kim, the University of Pennsylvania researcher.
Ha Heon-gi, a former legislative aide and founder of the media consultancy New Communication Lab, said the men behind the effort were taking a page from the feminists’ book and using methods they’ve seen employed by women to object to misogynistic statements or practices and extract apologies or topple powerful men.
“It’s tit for tat. You’ve taken issue with ridiculous things so we do the same,” he said. “It’s a sense of political efficacy, that collective action works. Women got together in one voice and were listened to. Men didn’t have that experience and now they’re making their will known as consumers.”
Ha, 31, said he was aware women were still at a disadvantage in South Korea and remembered his grandparents’ preference for sons growing up. Even so, he said the women’s movement was breeding discontent by lumping together all men without acknowledging the fast-changing circumstances under which today’s young men were raised.
“The tensions that arise in the course of correcting inequality need to be resolved, but they’ve been ignored and dismissed,” he said. “Because there’s inequality, you must go along. Discontent inevitably arises, but no one in the media or in politics listens.”
Kim Seok-hwan, 28, didn’t participate in the GS25 boycott. But earlier in the year, he stopped buying books at Kyobo Book Center — where he used to purchase about 10 a month — after an employee for the bookseller accidentally retweeted remarks that he took to be derogatory to Korean men from the store’s official account.
The aspiring law student said he was sympathetic to feminist causes and the need for equality, and knew violence against women was a problem, but felt increasingly turned off by the polarizing rhetoric that seemed to be more moral grandstanding rather than constructive debate.
“We’re in a situation where people are muzzled, and everyone is afraid to say the wrong thing,” he said.
He said his generation was raised in an environment where his female peers were student leaders and heads of groups.
“These are people we’ve been competing with on an even playing field,” he said. “So when the patriarchal order of the past is used to attack our generation, that feels unreasonable.”
Women’s groups and South Korea’s National Human Rights Commission have expressed concerns that the backlash against feminism has led to women being silenced or disadvantaged in the workplace for expressing their opinions on gender issues.
It’s a trend that has ensnared even K-pop stars, who have been harassed for having a phone case that said “Girls can do anything” or reading a novel about discrimination faced by women.
“It makes it more difficult to speak up when you’re subject to discriminatory comments, and deprives women of the right to work in a comfortable and relaxed atmosphere,” said Park Hyo-won, an activist with the group Korean Womenlink. “It’s being used as a witch hunt.”
3 CheML 2021-06-12
Bulgogi-cels are mad 🤏
1 [deleted] 2021-06-12
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